Whats wrong with g25 wheel?

[Sorrell]

Hi there.My first post here.
I need some help with my G25 wheel.

I dont know if this is normal but at high speeds i cant control cars.
The worst is the Red Bull, i cant even keep it straight becouse of heavy shaking.Its like running on the dirt road.
In my opinion this wheel that i bought as new not working correctly in GT5.
Thats why i ask some users who use this wheel to share experience with it.I bet there is discussed here on the forum but i cant found it.Google it and even send Logitech support email but no answer yet.

A-Spec 24,B-Spec, 28
Im on the last Championhsip of "Professional" wich i cant finnish.
All completed with no aids.

So to be more precise.This is my experience with the wheel:
1.Not firm enough. it has some LOOSE feeling in the middle not even close to a real car.(active steering, tryed all FFb settings)
2.2nd gear sometime not registering even tho i press clutch correctly.i have a hard time using H pattern.
3.At high speeds its shaking like crazy especially in RedBull car.it like you dont have any kind of suspension and it makes me throw this wheel at the screen

Let me know your experience but i personally think it very hard to play GT5 with g25 wheel.

Thanx

 

[Aquarelle]

Kia ora and welcome to GTPlanet

Are you holding your wheel firmly while driving? if you hold it loosely it has a tendency to get a bit over zealous.

These wheels tend to have a bit of a "dead zone", something you normally only find in poorly made cars or very worn out ones that have some 'play in the wheel'. It takes a bit of getting used to but it still does bother me =/

As for the 2nd gear not registering.. that could be a defect? although GT5s clutch system is a bit shoddy though, you need to be sure you're completely off the accelerator when changing gear.

 

[Sorrell]

Yes i'm holding the wheel firmly.Still shaking and bumping like crazy.

I cant use with it..i just don't like this wheel.
I wonder if T500 RS has the same feeling.I must go for it if not but i don't want to invest a lot of money just to discover its the GT5 software issue.

I also noticed that shaking is gone when i corner a bit left or right so it happends only when i go dead straight..its not normal.Let suppose that shaking is due to road imperfection but where those imperfection is when cornering.

I dont know.i just cant drive with this G25.

Imagine in a real world at 350 km/h to have a wheel like that.
Even my car street Audi A4 have firm wheel .no dead zone and i really cant feel in the wheel road imperfections like that..maybe a little vibrating but thats it.This G25 is shaking like crazy and tend to move from side to side which inevitable drives you to some wall.

Another thing that i really don't like and if someone please tell me if it true on other wheels is STEERING DELAY (LAG).I steer to one side and on the screen the car is steering a little bit after.its not realtime, a half a second maybe less but you clearly can see in videos on youtube.

P.S.Why i have to fully depress throttle to change gear? its not like in reality.

 

[Aquarelle]

No you have to fully release the throttle, not depress.

I'm well aware it's not like reality, it's just how PD has done it.. no idea why but it got changed recently.

Honestly it sounds like a problem with your wheel, not GT5. I've never heard people complaining about issues like this.
If you can, take it back to the shop and ask for a replacement.

 

[WTFnews]

i used to have a G25 and i had the same problems, until it broke and i bought my G27 then it was a bit better but do remind, the G25 is a older wheel

 

[Sorrell]

Well i searched some kind of software to test motors in G25 on PC
Do you know any?

i used to have a G25 and i had the same problems, until it broke and i bought my G27 then it was a bit better but do remind, the G25 is a older wheel

What you use now and how ist working compared to G25?

 

[WTFnews]

the G27 is a bit better then the G25, but they both have the wobble/deadzone in the middel so it doesnt really matter

 

[Sorrell]

the G27 is a bit better then the G25, but they both have the wobble/deadzone in the middel so it doesnt really matter

Ok so you agree that this Logitech product is unusable on GT5 if you want to master the game?

 

[WTFnews]

no, its verry good but it only has a smal foult

 

[Sorrell]

Ok.I got it.

This wheel is bad in two ways it has deadzone between foerces in the middle and the way it reproduces road imperfection is very bad.

The worst is The RedBull car on Nurburgring.(or any hi-speed car) It just incontrolable.

You know ehn you drive offroad in GT5? or when you pass over red-white areas (dont know the term) on the side of the road and the wheel is vobrating? Well Rebull Car is doing that in the middle of the road.I know its not meant to be driven there , that the nurburgring is the worst track and dangerous for the hi-speed cars but, just as a test, my wheel way of reproducing road waving and bumps is just sick.

Well if i drive A BMW m3, lets say wich is a road car the whell works beautifull, If i go with faster , lower to the ground car, the deadzone is starting to show and the vibrations in the deadzone (and not when steering just a bit) are there.

So lert me ask G25 owners it this your experience? my wheel is broken? if its not broken then using the Fanatec or the T500 is the same experience?

Thanx.

 

[VBR]

So lert me ask G25 owners it this your experience? my wheel is broken? if its not broken then using the Fanatec or the T500 is the same experience?

I've had a G25 since 2009, & I haven't had the feeling of driving over rumble strips whilst in the middle of the road. Did you buy it pre-owned? If so, maybe it is faulty.

 

[Sorrell]

I've had a G25 since 2009, & I haven't had the feeling of driving over rumble strips whilst in the middle of the road. Did you buy it pre-owned? If so, maybe it is faulty.

yea i bought it preowned but as NEW. original package,very shiny,no signs of use at all, sealed (well i thought it was).

There is some PC app/software to test FFB wheels?i keep seeing on youtube people running some kind of software to spin g25 and T500rs like crazy.shure it is not some ingame feature or the software it came with the wheels. wach this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIsYEd-o0w

I contacted Logitech via support they didnt answered my issue.And thats why i ask people with G25 to be shure its the wheel design of software flaw before i know its faulty or something.

 

[Bluntified]

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Well if i drive A BMW m3, lets say wich is a road car the whell works beautifull, If i go with faster , lower to the ground car, the deadzone is starting to show and the vibrations in the deadzone (and not when steering just a bit) are there...

This leads me to believe that you're not holding your wheel tight enough and/or your force feedback is set to high. If you can drive a road car fine but have issues with faster/supercars, I bet that's the issue.

Also, try running a fast/supercar with stock suspension and see if you have an issue. You could be tuning the suspension wrong causing it to pull and fight against you.

 

[sik180sx]

It is GT5's force feedback that gives the see-sawing or wobble when driving straight,as for the deadzone,it is a G25,it is old technology.
So in short,there is nothing wrong with your wheel.

 

[VBR]

So to be more precise.This is my experience with the wheel:
1.Not firm enough. it has some LOOSE feeling in the middle not even close to a real car.(active steering, tryed all FFb settings)
2.2nd gear sometime not registering even tho i press clutch correctly.i have a hard time using H pattern.
3.At high speeds its shaking like crazy especially in RedBull car.it like you dont have any kind of suspension and it makes me throw this wheel at the screen

1. My wheel has no feeling of being "loose" in the middle, if yours does then I'd suggest that there was maybe a problem with it. This has nothing to do with deadzone, that's a setting that some games allow you to change.

2. The problem with the clutch isn't to do with the wheel, it's do to with GT5's poor implementation of simulating it (see here). In GT5 you cannot power shift! This means that you have to come of the gas (accelerator/throttle) completely before shifting gear. Also, since the 2.09 update, you have to press the clutch in nearlly all the way down before it will let you change into another gear. If you fail to meet these two criteria, GT5 will just throw you into neutral. Like I said, it's a flaw in GT5, not with the G25.

3. The shaking at high speeds, especially in certain cars, is not a flaw with the wheel but is a flaw in GT5. In other games, you have access to the wheel settings, you can then add deadzone to the wheel which will stop it oscillating from side to side. Adding deadzone would cure this issue, but GT5 doesn't allow us to do it, you'll just have to learn to hold the wheel straighter I'm afraifd.

I contacted Logitech via support they didnt answered my issue.And thats why i ask people with G25 to be shure its the wheel design of software flaw before i know its faulty or something.

Logitech will only give you support if your product was brand new. They don't make the G25 anymore so it's unlikely they'll offer you any help.

 

[Sorrell]

It is GT5's force feedback that gives the see-sawing or wobble when driving straight,

Are the other hi-class wheels working the same ? the "the see-sawing or wobble" are present in Fanatec , Thrustmaster? Thx Trying to choose a new, better wheel in the near future.

 

[Sorrell]

1. My wheel has no feeling of being "loose" in the middle, if yours does then I'd suggest that there was maybe a problem with it. This has nothing to do with deadzone, that's a setting that some games allow you to change.

2. The problem with the clutch isn't to do with the wheel, it's do to with GT5's poor implementation of simulating it (see here). In GT5 you cannot power shift! This means that you have to come of the gas (accelerator/throttle) completely before shifting gear. Also, since the 2.09 update, you have to press the clutch in nearlly all the way down before it will let you change into another gear. If you fail to meet these two criteria, GT5 will just throw you into neutral. Like I said, it's a flaw in GT5, not with the G25.

3. The shaking at high speeds, especially in certain cars, is not a flaw with the wheel but is a flaw in GT5. In other games, you have access to the wheel settings, you can then add deadzone to the wheel which will stop it oscillating from side to side. Adding deadzone would cure this issue, but GT5 doesn't allow us to do it, you'll just have to learn to hold the wheel straighter I'm afraifd.




Logitech will only give you support if your product was brand new. They don't make the G25 anymore so it's unlikely they'll offer you any help.

Thanks man.I already learned about clutch problem, you are right, 2nd gear works by full release gas and pressing clutch all the way (i was used to pinch a little gas when changing even in real world)

the LOOSE problem is not like in that loose area the wheel is doing nothing its just...hmm..like the wheel is easy on FFB but as soon as i steer left or right i start to feel FFB better and better. Its this normal? its not like a real car where the eheel have powersteering and no matter where the wheel position is the force to roatae it is the same.

Anyway i will sell this G25 to someone who need something cheap and i will save money for a better wheel.

 

[sik180sx]

Are the other hi-class wheels working the same ? the "the see-sawing or wobble" are present in Fanatec , Thrustmaster? Thx Trying to choose a new, better wheel in the near future.

Yeah mate,unfortunately.I have a fanetec and it does the same.

 

[Sorrell]

Yeah mate,unfortunately.I have a fanetec and it does the same.

Nooooway...then its gt5 physics problem.

 

[Morgoth_666]

Yeah mate,unfortunately.I have a fanetec and it does the same.

I've heard Fanatecs have that problem but the only time I have ever experienced it on either of my GT3s is when driving the FGT before they updated its steering. I run zero deadzone. If you fully let go of the wheel it will slowly develop a little wobble while driving at speed but thats to be expected. I can stop this with very light pressure from just two fingers no problem in any car besides perhaps the X20xx cars which I never drive and are a whole different world from the others. I get plenty of FFB when driving, 100% on the wheel and I think I use 7 in the game.

I've seen video posted(even by Thomas when showing how the deadzone adjustment fixes it) of the wheel wobbling even at idle, but I walk away from idling cars all the time and it never moves.

My 200-degree Driving Force didn't wobble in GT5 either and that was horrible in GT4.

So strange how so many things about this game work so differently for different people.

 

[Sorrell]

What about Thrustmaster?



OFFTOPIC;
Im new to online gaming (played a lot of games but not online) but i guess I need some friends on GT5.Can you help me? Didnt wanted to open another thread.Thx.

 

[VBR]

the LOOSE problem is not like in that loose area the wheel is doing nothing its just...hmm..like the wheel is easy on FFB but as soon as i steer left or right i start to feel FFB better and better. Its this normal? its not like a real car where the eheel have powersteering and no matter where the wheel position is the force to roatae it is the same.

You won't feel much tension or FFB when the wheel is in the middle, obviously. If you want less tension when turning the wheel, then turn on the power assisted steering. This will create less resistance when turning the wheel, & will be more like a car that has PAS in real life.

Stick with it for a while before you decide to sell it, it might grow on you. My test car is the Premium Mazda Roadster 2007, take it to Tsukuba without tuning it or changing the tyres, set the FFB to 10 with PAS off & do a few laps. When the rear end slides out, don't fight the wheel, let it turn what it wants to & then gently correct it. See if that helps.


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[Sorrell]

Wow..thanks.Ill try this and let you know.great tip.

Also the real reason i dont like the wheel is that i am very bad at driving with it the FR cars especially.and on high speeds im worse at driving.

Until now i was OK at driving without aid (onlu ABS 3) but when Fast FR Cars came...oh boy..i cant even complete a lap. ) i want to throw the wheel to my TV .hahahah..

Always spinning in a wall or something. i know be gentle with power on exits but for shure im not good with slow in also.

Im at level A-spec 26 but i feel like i dont know anything about pro driving.

Any tips? How to learn?

Did almost all licenses with bronze, some with gold but the last set of em

 

[Morgoth_666]

It takes a lot of practice. License tests can help, but the biggest thing is repetition and observation. Using the same car on the same track can help you to learn to feel what is happening. Slower cars are usually recommended (MX-5s are great trainers) as you don't get into quite as much trouble quite as quickly.

Patience is key. Don't try to set records, just try to keep things contained and you'll gradually get better at correcting bigger and bigger "problems." Slow down a little earlier than you want to, and accelerate a little later. It's basically like learning how to walk all over again. It's frustrating at first, but doesn't take that long once you start to get it.

 

[sik180sx]

I've heard Fanatecs have that problem but the only time I have ever experienced it on either of my GT3s is when driving the FGT before they updated its steering. I run zero deadzone. If you fully let go of the wheel it will slowly develop a little wobble while driving at speed but thats to be expected. I can stop this with very light pressure from just two fingers no problem in any car besides perhaps the X20xx cars which I never drive and are a whole different world from the others. I get plenty of FFB when driving, 100% on the wheel and I think I use 7 in the game.

I've seen video posted(even by Thomas when showing how the deadzone adjustment fixes it) of the wheel wobbling even at idle, but I walk away from idling cars all the time and it never moves.

My 200-degree Driving Force didn't wobble in GT5 either and that was horrible in GT4.

So strange how so many things about this game work so differently for different people.

I agree that the wobble can be "tuned" out of the fanatec,i did it with mine,it still does wobble but not as violently as it used to.
Unfortunately other wheels don't have the same luxury's or setting options as the fanatec.

 

[VBR]

It takes a lot of practice...Using the same car on the same track can help you to learn to feel what is happening. Slower cars are usually recommended (MX-5s are great trainers) as you don't get into quite as much trouble quite as quickly.

Patience is key. Don't try to set records, just try to keep things contained and you'll gradually get better at correcting bigger and bigger "problems." Slow down a little earlier than you want to, and accelerate a little later. It's basically like learning how to walk all over again. It's frustrating at first, but doesn't take that long once you start to get it.

Great advice this!

Stick to lower level cars as you learn to drive, the MX5 has great balance, & on Comfort Soft tyres it also has predictable slip. I'd advise turning all aids off, except ABS set to 1, & don't use the driving line as it will just slow you down. Use in car view or bumper cam, never chase cam, & take it easy.

Once you get the hang of the MX5 type cars, try an untuned Caterham 7 Fireblade on Sports Hard at Suzuka East. You can buy a new one from the Online Car Dealership at the moment for about 30,000 credits. That car will teach you a thing or two about correcting oversteer, it's also awesome fun to drive!

 

[Sorrell]

Unfortunately other wheels don't have the same luxury's or setting options as the fanatec.

So a Thrustmaster t500 rs has the wobble but no options to tune it?
i was sure T500 is THE wheel but now..

 

[VBR]

Im at level A-spec 26 but i feel like i dont know anything about pro driving.

Any tips? How to learn?

Click here for some tips. 👍

 

[Sorrell]

Thank you Morgoth_666 and VBR for tips very helpfull.Can i add you as friends in gt5? I know i can learn a lot from people like you in this game.

 

[VBR]

I only add clean drivers who have very good connections in GT5. If you'd like to try & race according to the principals in The GT Planet OLR & The Good Racecraft Guide, then shoot me a friend request, & if you're connection isn't laggy, I'll see you out on track.