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Looking at picking up a cheap wheel for GT5p and FC, Now I really DON'T want to shell out nearly £200-$400 for a G25.....no really I don't LOl but this looks to be good for the money,"Logitech Driving Force Ex Wheel" Anyone got one? hows the FFB on them and is there any "rumble" feature? How dose this wheel feel on FC, GTT5p and F1?

Cheers
Owen
 
Hi, I own a G25 since it was released but had a chance to review this wheel from Thrustmaster and for the price-features is the best. Still it isn't a G25 but still it has a more accurate wheel force and movement. And some very nice features.

For me this are the best:
LOGITECH G25 ------------------------------ 9.5/10
RGT Force Feedback Pro Clutch Edition ------- 8.5/10
LOGITECH DRIVING FORCE PRO --------------- 8/10

EDIT: Now the ECCI6000 is a wheel from a complete different league its like having a race car at home.

Hope I was of any help
 
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Hereward, about ps3 use of the RGT Force Feedback Pro Clutch Edition I don't know sorry. I tested it with a PC but since its a USB device it should work. But the problem would be the games to support it out of the box, in other words you will have to configure it to the game if the game has that ability. And you can map key on the wheel.
This wheel works great with all the major PC racing games. A G25 like experience for less money.

And both Logitech wheels work great with the PS3.

LOGITECH DRIVING FORCE PRO is a striped G25 missing the Clutch and the H-gear/E-brake system.
 
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Hmm going to go with the logitech, theres some talk on the GT5p thread of problems with non suported wheels.......I may go for a G25 if I get back into using the wheel, been a while, cheers for the advice though
 
I will be here for a long time to help the GTPlanet members that have the same interests as I.

EDIT: If you are going to buy a Logitech wheel just chose between the LOGITECH G25 and the LOGITECH DRIVING FORCE PRO.
Those are the best that Logitech can offer.
 
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Looking at picking up a cheap wheel for GT5p and FC, Now I really DON'T want to shell out nearly £200-$400 for a G25.....no really I don't LOl but this looks to be good for the money,"Logitech Driving Force Ex Wheel" Anyone got one? hows the FFB on them and is there any "rumble" feature? How dose this wheel feel on FC, GTT5p and F1?

Cheers
Owen

I'm still using the old Logitech Driving Force, I think the EX is more or less like it. It's working fine, after 6 years, thousands of races in many games (GT3, GT4P, GT4, ENthusia, GT5P). In FC I found the force feedback too strong, but the upcoming patch should solve it.

Last week I had 300+ euros to spend. I had two options, the G25, or a playseat.

I chose the playseat. And my 6 years old wheel in now proudly attached to it :dopey:
 
Cheers for that Hun200kmh, I did post a message on this put it disapeared...user keyboard error! Mekanizer has also PM me and has been a great help. I've orderd the EX model and should get it tommorow. Ive had wheels on various systems going back to the spectrum (it was a plate I kid you not!) but the only FFB weel I've had was the oficial 360 one which i found good but a little flimsy. I'll post up how I find the wheel but obviously I only have the 360 wheel as a FFB comparison. I'm finding GT5p a little twitchy on the pad after the latest update which I put down to slightly more grip from the tyres and my heavy use of FC LOL
 
Logitech Ex is NOT a true force feedback wheel. Rather send me money you've planned for it, and I'll send you a nice new brick in folia-wrap. It will do more for you than EX, which is a cheap solution for those who're not in serious racing (AKA parents that hates their kids and buys them wheel regarding price point, not regarding what their kid really needs) .

Also, I wouldn't recommend RGT. mainly because of it's doubtfull future-proof holds on PS3 racing in general.

Conclusion:

Either go for Logitech G25 and be happy owner of the best normally-priced wheel, or go for new Logitech Driving Force GT, which is like dummbed-down version of G25 (in pedals department) with good price-point.

Everything else is epic fail in future-proof depamrtment for PS3 racers in general and GT series respectfully.

Hope this helps.
 
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Well, I know Logitech sees it as a FF wheel, and it's supported by PS3 - but.

EX is a low-priced wheel with low-power motor and it's not "serious". It's a toy-wheel, comparable best to X360 FF wheel (Have it myself, so I know what I'm talknig about). In order to get a true FF felleing that both Ferrari Challenge and Gran Turismo games are providing, you should go to more serious solution.

I agree that G25 is pricey, despite it gives more that it's price in total. But if you find it's price high, you can go to GT Pro. EX shouldn't be an option, at least in my concern.
 
My point is that the wheels sugested are expensive, I want to make sure I'm going to use the wheel enough to justifie me buying say a G25 in a few months, by getting the EX if I don't use it that much then fine it hasn't cost a fortune. I have only had the 360 FFB wheel so being comparable with the EX this is a good referance point for me.
 
Amar, isn't the EX a renamed/revamped version of the old Driving Force?


DF:
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EX:
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If it is, than it is a slightly better version of the wheel I'm using, and I think it's a very good wheel. Not a G25, of course, but very good anyway.

1st Note: the DF has one problem. The wheel is small, but I think the EX has a greater radius.

2nd note: I know Scaff has a old DF also, maybe he can tell you his own experience with it. Mine, as I already said, is a good one.



EDIT: This is what I bought (but the black model) last weekend, for about the price of a G25. It's much more pleasure for money, with a DF on top of it :sly:

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I dont know if the thrustmaster is supporterd in GT5p, because i have a OTHER thrustmaster wheel thats is specially for playstation 2/3 and pc but does NOT work with GT5p :( So if you want to be sure it works for GT Series, it must be a logitech :(
 
First thing:

EX does NOT HAVE 900 degrees.

That's the last thing too. Also, it has noticably weaker FF motor than DFP.

That wheel is a cheap wheel. I know it sounds harsh, but it is. You can't expect that Yugo be better than Golf. It is cheaper, yes, it does the almost same thing, yes, but it's not the same thing by any proportion. And EX is a Yugo, while DFP GT is a Golf, for instance. G25 would than be GolfR32.

Whatever.
 
hey amar, did I upset you? If I did, I'm sorry, not my intention.

Anyway, of course the DFGT and the G25 are better than the EX, there's no arguing in that.

But I replied to Hereward considering what he wrote in the OP, this:



Looking at picking up a cheap wheel for GT5p and FC, Now I really DON'T want to shell out nearly £200-$400 for a G25.....no really I don't LOl but this looks to be good for the money,"Logitech Driving Force Ex Wheel" Anyone got one? hows the FFB on them and is there any "rumble" feature? How dose this wheel feel on FC, GTT5p and F1?

Cheers
Owen

So, hereward doesn't want to spend the money needed for a G25, and wants a cheap wheel, one that can still be good.

I don't own a Logitech EX, so the only thing I could say is that my old DF, one that hasn't 900º, gave me many hours of driving pleasure, and it is still giving it, every night. As for reliability, I guess nobody can know for sure. The DFP isn't surely a Golf, because of its reliability problems (pedals mostly, I have two friends with DFPs and I know what they suffer). My DF, however, has been working flawlessly for 6 years now, apart from a broken cable (thanks to one of my kids) that made me store it away for a while (but that's because I'm lazy :dopey: ). Consider it an old BMW.
 
Cheers for all the feedback guys, Like I said I've orderd it and should have it in the morning, Sounds like a good wheel for the money, If it's as good as the 360 on then that sounds good as it's half the price and by the sound of it it's a bit more durable. Again I know the G25 is better but I don't want to spend a fortune only to find out I'm not using it that much, if I really get into it then yeah I'll probubley upgrade but for now I think I've got the best wheel at the price I paid which is compatable with the games I want to use it on. Dose anyone know if F1 CE has had a FFB update patch? also I've read alot about deadzone problems with the DF EX........I've looked at the option menues On GT5p but can't see that many options? did notice the arcade, pro and simulation settings which were self explanitory but also the "power steering" setting which is not? I'll check in a bit as to the FC settings. I have heard from a friend and fellow GTP member JamboGT that he was having problems with FC regarding deadzones and the problemof actualy driving in a straight line on FC? I know I'll work all this out tommorow but would be nice to hear other peoples experiences.
As for Amar, I don't think he's upset or being antagonastic with his posts although they can apear that way, it's just his writing style, no offence ment Amar.
 
You're welcome. About FC and the wheel, it's just like online. Only after the patch we will know how good it is. But I think the problem (of driving in a straight line) was in too much FFB strengh.

If you played GT4 you must remember the license test (or mission, I'm not sure) with a prototype Nissan in the Hunaudiéres straight at Le Mans. And how the wheel was hard to keep straight. That's more or less what I felt in FC.
 
Cheers for all the feedback guys, Like I said I've orderd it and should have it in the morning, Sounds like a good wheel for the money, If it's as good as the 360 on then that sounds good as it's half the price and by the sound of it it's a bit more durable. Again I know the G25 is better but I don't want to spend a fortune only to find out I'm not using it that much, if I really get into it then yeah I'll probubley upgrade but for now I think I've got the best wheel at the price I paid which is compatable with the games I want to use it on. Dose anyone know if F1 CE has had a FFB update patch? also I've read alot about deadzone problems with the DF EX........I've looked at the option menues On GT5p but can't see that many options? did notice the arcade, pro and simulation settings which were self explanitory but also the "power steering" setting which is not? I'll check in a bit as to the FC settings. I have heard from a friend and fellow GTP member JamboGT that he was having problems with FC regarding deadzones and the problemof actualy driving in a straight line on FC? I know I'll work all this out tommorow but would be nice to hear other peoples experiences.
As for Amar, I don't think he's upset or being antagonastic with his posts although they can apear that way, it's just his writing style, no offence ment Amar.

Yes F1 CE has had a patch to enable FFB and it works very well.
I had a DF EX for a while and its not to bad a wheel.
I have since then saved up and bought a g25.
 
Right I'm with you, you get over compensation from the FFB and because of the strengh problem it kind of a pendulem problem LOL FC patch has 4 settings for the FFB strengh if I remember corectly, I know this could be construde as a rumour but its not.........the date for the FC patch of saturday I suspect is the latest date it's due to cover the cries of anguish if they say thursday or friday and it dosn't arive on time......personaly I think we'll see it tomorow or friday at the latest, again not a rumor just my opinion and a bit of logic gained from previous patch release dates. ie when it goes for final testing at sony the actual release depends on any problems found by sony so it is given a release "window"
 
hey amar, did I upset you? If I did, I'm sorry, not my intention.

No, mate, of course not 👍

I will be happy if Hereward gets his satisfaction with EX, but I onl wanted to point out that maybe giving some additional money could be rewarded with greater feeling.

And with full undestanding of everything, I just concluded with "whatever".
:)

Hereward, please take you time to do a write-up about EX once you finaly get your hands on it 👍
 
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No problems Amar, got the wheel and about to plug it in, first impressions are good with a nice sturdy feel to it and nice desighn, pedals look a bit rough but the wheel looks and feels excellent, anyway off to put a few hours in will do a write up on the budget logitech after diner, again I only have the 360 wheel as areferance when compareing FFB

Owen
 
Don't expect to be quick with the wheel straight away! When first I got my G25 I could hardly keep the car on the track at first. It takes a few weeks to really get used to it, but once you do it takes the experience to a whole new level.

Enjoy.
 
Right ok had a few hours now and I am actualy quicker with it now having passed some challenges easily that I was strugeling with on the pad in GT5p....Bonus! LOL

Right the wheel, It's the Logitec driving force EX costing £39.99 from Amazon. Now once again this is using the official 360 wheel as a benchmark as it's the only other FFB wheel I've had experience with. First up the build quality of the wheel is superb there is no play in the center spindle no creaks or groans from the plastics and all the buttons have a posertive feel to them, the pedals however are a mixed bag, they grip the carpet extremly well, in fact they never budged once! The pedal positions are very good and the force required to move them is well balanced, the acelerator however is a bit creaky which is a little worrying.
Ok onto how it behaves in game, as I said above my lap times have come down and the precision in which you can place your car on GT5p is much improved over the pad for me. The FFB is very quick to react and trying the different strengh settings it goes from arely noticable to "I cant keep hold of it" so a good range of feedback LOLTheres no noise from the unit that I could hear over the game and although it can feel a little "notchy" when putting in small imputs with the FFB turned up on the whole it's quite smooth (compared with the 360 one) It's a bit hard to get a real feel for all of it on GT as the tracks are prety smooth and FC....well more on that at the end LOL
Overall I's well built....very well built in fact, the ruberised grips are comfy and the clamps work well. You do get a more imersive feeling in GT5p with the wheel which allows you to push that little further in the cornersand I would rate this as an equal in performance although the range of FFB is greater and stronger than the £80 official 360 wheel but far supirior in build quality and at £40 thats really good going! Be aware though that the wheel diamiter is fairly samll and this isn't in compertion with the G25, it is however a good value well made wheel that may be a good option for people wanting to try FFB wheels.
Right anyway back to FC......what the......I can honestly say that max FFB is a bad thing, great if your after a workout but not conducife to winning a race! Theres so much feed back from the track your seen wresteling with the wheel to keep it straight! Should be fantastic once you can turn it down, and dare I say better than the smooth tracks of GT5p but until the patch lands then it's fairly unplayable....well with the EX anyway
 
You'll get used to the FF... on GT5P I now have the FF on my G25 permanently set to 10 (max) and it feels wrong on anything less. With FC, I started off gripping the wheel like a mad man to try and keep it from moving, but as I got used to it I found I was using much a lighter grip and letting the wheel move around a bit.

Changes your enjoyment of the game doesn't it?!
 
Definatly improves driving games having a FFB wheel, I discovered that on the 360, not sure why it's taken me so long to get one for the PS3 LOL I would recomend everyone tries it if you havn't already! Now of to try it online.....this could get messy LOL
 
Right ok had a few hours now and I am actualy quicker with it now having passed some challenges easily that I was strugeling with on the pad in GT5p....Bonus! LOL

Right the wheel, It's the Logitec driving force EX costing £39.99 from Amazon. Now once again this is using the official 360 wheel as a benchmark as it's the only other FFB wheel I've had experience with. First up the build quality of the wheel is superb there is no play in the center spindle no creaks or groans from the plastics and all the buttons have a posertive feel to them, the pedals however are a mixed bag, they grip the carpet extremly well, in fact they never budged once! The pedal positions are very good and the force required to move them is well balanced, the acelerator however is a bit creaky which is a little worrying.
Ok onto how it behaves in game, as I said above my lap times have come down and the precision in which you can place your car on GT5p is much improved over the pad for me. The FFB is very quick to react and trying the different strengh settings it goes from arely noticable to "I cant keep hold of it" so a good range of feedback LOLTheres no noise from the unit that I could hear over the game and although it can feel a little "notchy" when putting in small imputs with the FFB turned up on the whole it's quite smooth (compared with the 360 one) It's a bit hard to get a real feel for all of it on GT as the tracks are prety smooth and FC....well more on that at the end LOL
Overall I's well built....very well built in fact, the ruberised grips are comfy and the clamps work well. You do get a more imersive feeling in GT5p with the wheel which allows you to push that little further in the cornersand I would rate this as an equal in performance although the range of FFB is greater and stronger than the £80 official 360 wheel but far supirior in build quality and at £40 thats really good going! Be aware though that the wheel diamiter is fairly samll and this isn't in compertion with the G25, it is however a good value well made wheel that may be a good option for people wanting to try FFB wheels.
Right anyway back to FC......what the......I can honestly say that max FFB is a bad thing, great if your after a workout but not conducife to winning a race! Theres so much feed back from the track your seen wresteling with the wheel to keep it straight! Should be fantastic once you can turn it down, and dare I say better than the smooth tracks of GT5p but until the patch lands then it's fairly unplayable....well with the EX anyway

You are right about the FFB in Ferrari Challenge it is set far to strong.
I am a service manager for a large main dealer in the motor trade and have driven nearly every make of car you can think of from minis to rolls royce,even old cars like austin maxis and none have had steering as heavy like in the game.
The only exception being is when the power steering fails in modern cars then the steering goes very heavy.
 
I had this in store for you.


Welcome to the noble and ancient "Weak of Arm Order", Sir Hereward!

:D



About this game, I played it last night again, but the FF strengh really is unbearable. I'm not saying it is unrealistic, because, every now and them, I go racing (with friends) in go-karts, and I know that my arms start aching after one hour of racing, but ... I don't want to get physically exhausted just to play this game.

...

Hurry up with the promised patch, guys!

Most find the FFB too strong on this game thus theres an option to turn it down in the patch, they addressed the issue prety quickly, it's not a fix more of an option package for the weak of arm LOL

Don't shoot me it was a joke I couldn't resist LOL
 
I'm six foot two, 15 stone ex service guy who keeps fit "playing" airsoft at the weekends......Weak of arm? yep ok LOL
I would say it's like some git let all the air out of my ferraris tyres before the race LOL

But I except my knighthood to the order of weak of arm humbley....very humbley!
 
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