When do you feel comfortable overtaking?

[Tekku]

This is something I struggle with personally because most of the time I lack the confidence for making a good overtake. I'm afraid I'm going in the wrong line, at the wrong speed, too close or too far away from the car in front etc. etc.

So how do you pull of a really good overtake that is both clean and effective? What's your own technique and what's a good opportunity to look for?

 

[jesQuick]

Have patience. Make a few skin attacks to see how your opponent reacts. And then decide when/where to do it - and do it with conviction. No guts, no glory (just don't race dirty)

 

[Tekku]

Have patience. Make a few skin attacks to see how your opponent reacts. And then decide when/where to do it - and do it with conviction. No guts, no glory (just don't race dirty)

And where on the track do I want to make the attack? Is every corner an option?

 

[Cave]

After 3 Beer

 

[Matt368]

Definitely not every corner no. Getting better drive out of the previous corner and drawing level for the next one will be the cleanest, safest option with the least risk. If you have to dive for the inside then make sure to get well to the inside so you can be seen as early as possible.

 

[Brainhulk]

Divebomb after a long straight and then run them out wide. But then you might get crossed up with the over under.

 

[Mr616]

And where on the track do I want to make the attack? Is every corner an option?

NOT every corner. You want to try and set up your overtake for where you feel the strongest really. Like has already been suggested, try a couple of dummy moves to see if the other racer will block or defend. Sometimes just following an opponent closely can put enough pressure on to make them make a mistake. Slower corners are best imo but just commit to the move. You need a bit of faith in the person you're overtaking isn't going to just turn in on you but as long as your not torpedoing somebody you'll be fine.

 

[Stotty]

This is something I struggle with personally because most of the time I lack the confidence for making a good overtake. I'm afraid I'm going in the wrong line, at the wrong speed, too close or too far away from the car in front etc. etc.

So how do you pull of a really good overtake that is both clean and effective? What's your own technique and what's a good opportunity to look for?

Overtaking is overly difficult as most people seem to have no idea where other cars are relative to them... so even if you're comfortably on their inside, they'll still turn in to you. Unless you're confident they know you're there, the best plan is to follow them as closely as possible, and wait until they make a mistake... most drivers can't string 2 corners together without going in too fast and understeering wide... you have to be in a position to take advantage of this... by either getting them on the inside, or getting a cleaner exit and passing them on the next straight.

Vital you know your limits (brake points, corner gear, apex speeds etc).

 

[Maximum11]

The most efficient way is to force your opponent to take a different line than the best one (to protect his inside for instance), if you take the corner the best way possible and he struggles, you should be in front of him at the exit, or before the next corner. To force him to move where you want, indicate him that you are ready to late brake to overtake him, but don't, move the car in the best position after his move inside .

 

[FUNanywhere]

This is something I struggle with personally because most of the time I lack the confidence for making a good overtake. I'm afraid I'm going in the wrong line, at the wrong speed, too close or too far away from the car in front etc. etc.

So how do you pull of a really good overtake that is both clean and effective? What's your own technique and what's a good opportunity to look for?

Get a good exit from a corner and then overtake.

 

[TheProRacer]

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[JulesDennis]

This is something I struggle with personally because most of the time I lack the confidence for making a good overtake. I'm afraid I'm going in the wrong line, at the wrong speed, too close or too far away from the car in front etc. etc.

So how do you pull of a really good overtake that is both clean and effective? What's your own technique and what's a good opportunity to look for?

A good overtake is always both clean and effective.
I think the key words are confidence,track/car knowledge,respect.Confidence and knowledge will come with racing a lot.Mistakes gonna happen but if you respect others then you'll get to the point that you know where and when you can make a clean overtake.

 

[Maximum11]

I always go to the left lane on strait-a-ways while using the turn signal, I’ll take the inside of corners, and of course some minor late braking while approaching corners. In GT6, I would honk and flash to pass, and most people would react accordingly. In GTS, I can only flash and use the turn signal, and sometimes they don’t see it, so I have to hope we don’t take each other out.

On the Nurburgring, I can’t explain it, but I just know where I can and can’t pass.

You're one of "these" guys. Do you think flashing impress anyone older than 12 years old? Just stop that and drive.

 

[Lord Protector]

Depends on track and how much faster I am but I usually wait til my opponent makes a mistake and then I take my chances. When I'm much faster I use my turn signals and try to take the outside line.. hard to say

 

[Matt368]

I always go to the left lane on strait-a-ways while using the turn signal, I’ll take the inside of corners, and of course some minor late braking while approaching corners. In GT6, I would honk and flash to pass, and most people would react accordingly. In GTS, I can only flash and use the turn signal, and sometimes they don’t see it, so I have to hope we don’t take each other out.

On the Nurburgring, I can’t explain it, but I just know where I can and can’t pass.

I mean this in a friendly and respectful way but I wouldn't care if you were flashing, indicating, beeping or whatever else, I would make the overtake as hard as possible for you every time you attempted it and I would be looking to snap back at the next corner too. All of this would be done cleanly however.

 

[outofspace]

Corner exit for my cause it fits my style & it's safer for everybody!

 

[I_Leak_Oil]

I got overtaken nicely last night, followed me a couple of laps and likely saw I was struggling to hit the apex ( interlagos, after the senna 's' 1st corner ) I went wide a little and just slipped passed on the correct line.

Same lap, I stayed with him and got a good exit up the hill onto the straight, not sure if he knew I was there but he didn't cover the inside. Pass was basically done before braking so just made sure I didn't brake too late

I watch replays, he braked a little later than me but I had it covered. Didn't run him wide the whole race was fair. Great fun

 

[RotorHed]

I suppose there are some rules but the main thing is it takes both drivers to agree for an overtake to happen.

If you’re trying to pass someone who doesn’t want to let you past, then in GTS you’ll almost certainly end up off the track and losing places.

Difficult to avoid that in game unfortunately, but the SR rating should help match you with similar minded racers.

After that, the classic overtake is to be faster through a corner and pass on the next straight - making the opponent defend on a sub optimal line into a corner will set this up sometimes.

Overtaking under braking (dive bombing) isn’t the best way to get things done mainly because it requires braking later than the other car and there’s a good chance you’ll get it wrong and lose the place and the chance to overtake.

Unfortunately GTS is weak here because this technique can be abused and the car on the outside gets the penalty if the Car doing the overtake gets it wrong - the lesson then is cover the inside line and make the opponent go outside. I guess that’s what PD wanted people to do anyway - properly defend rather than late braking.

However there are some parts of some tracks where overtaking shouldn’t be attempted regardless of your speed advantage - that’s because there is usually only one line through a section. The Suzuka short track between turns 4 to 7 are a good example. Trying to pass through there will leave you in the grass and going backwards. This is a most irritating scenario where people lack patience and just try to force a move.

The final thing to say again about both drivers taking part in an overtake. The rule is that if another car has any part of the their car alongside, they must be given room.

So, cutting people up, diving across the track on “the racing line” even if you’re ahead, isn’t legal if there’s any part of a competitors car there. Sadly this rule isn’t really enforced in GTS (its often not really enforced in things like F1 either) but like Alonso said (and then forgot himself) always you must leave a space.

So if you’re lucky enough to be racing with competent people, you should be given room to race and you must do the same for them. Sadly, even at the higher SR levels, people will try and drive you off track when you are entitled to room. Personally I don’t yield to this, usually I don’t get the penalty or SR degrade so I just tough it out - if they spin because they chop my nose it’s their problem.

 

[Daniel Heller]

I cant tell you how sick and tired I am of the idiots that try to overtake you in the chicane @ Dragon Tail. I know it's only a three lap race but for the love of all things motor, have some bloody patience. Thanks to Dragon Tail and a poor Sportsmanship rating system, I dropped from an S to a D in 1 day. I lost SR in every single event. I would love for these bumper car enthusiast to sit down and watch some I-Racing content.

 

[BigDawg_1281]

I usually look for where I am faster than them. The other day I followed a car for 3 laps. I had to hold back on the last sector each lap, I was much faster. I made my move on the last turn. We were drag racing to the checker. The jerk turned into me 3-4 times to keep me from passing. For 2nd place! Some people just won't let you pass.

Waiting for them to make a mistake works great too. Drive your race, make good clean laps, and fill up their mirrors. They will make a mistake eventually.

 

[vicbol]

IMO the safer way to overtake in this game (real life is another thing) is to prepare the corner exit.
Sacrify the breaking zone, and use the throttle as soon as possible at the exit. If you can gain the right position for the next corner you are almost succed. Sometimes the other car even knowing you are inside will turn into you but as said if you have won the position he will loose the battle.

Another tactic if both car rythm are very close is just to drive very close to his rear bumper. Some distraction could make him make errors and let you pass without any risk. But always be prepared for a final lap attack if he dont do any mistake.

 

[JulesDennis]

I cant tell you how sick and tired I am of the idiots that try to overtake you in the chicane @ Dragon Tail. I know it's only a three lap race but for the love of all things motor, have some bloody patience. Thanks to Dragon Tail and a poor Sportsmanship rating system, I dropped from an S to a D in 1 day. I lost SR in every single event. I would love for these bumper car enthusiast to sit down and watch some I-Racing content.

This is another problem.I can understand the logic behind short races but on the other hand,the fact that you can only do 10 (or under) min races,creates problems.
It helps DR and SR move (up or down) fast but it does not actually help the system create a really good pool of clean/dirty/fast/slow drivers.
Its easy to boost your SR (as easy to loose it no matter if you are clean or not).Its also a kind of "hot lapping" with other cars in your way kind of race.
I wonder how many people in the S SR would actually had the same rating if they were forced to do an 1 hour race instead of many 7 min races....

 

[BigDawg_1281]

IMO the safer way to overtake in this game (real life is another thing) is to prepare the corner exit.
Sacrify the breaking zone, and use the throttle as soon as possible at the exit. If you can gain the right position for the next corner you are almost succed. Sometimes the other car even knowing you are inside will turn into you but as said if you have won the position he will loose the battle.

Another tactic if both car rythm are very close is just to drive very close to his rear bumper. Some distraction could make him make errors and let you pass without any risk. But always be prepared for a final lap attack if he dont do any mistake.

I agree with turn exit. That's where I make most of my passes. I'm usually able to get a better exit than most of my opponents

 

[GENERALSAVANT]

If I have to start in the back, I'm just going to cut everyone up until I get to the fast guys. But once you're racing at the same level with someone I prefer to watch for a lap and see where I'm faster and where their common mistakes are. ***Critically you need a good driver to make a clean pass on*** if you're midpack you can count on bumping. @Tekku I just posted this in another thread but if you watch I try and break down where I can push up the inside without collision. You'll see many times I have him in the beginning of the lap's chicanes but the corners are too fast and tight to attempt anything.


Start to finish... run his mirrors on the right, he defends that line opening up the inside

I go up the inside. Remember braking points may be different.

Grab the apex and try not to over slow like I did

Because a good driver will pull the over under on you lol...

 

[eran0004]

My favourite overtakes are when you plan ahead, back off a little before a corner where you know that you have a faster line, then use the corner to pick up speed (that's why you need some distance to the car in front of you) and thanks to your faster exit speed you can easily make a pass.

 

[Ashthebash]

This is something I struggle with personally because most of the time I lack the confidence for making a good overtake. I'm afraid I'm going in the wrong line, at the wrong speed, too close or too far away from the car in front etc. etc.

So how do you pull of a really good overtake that is both clean and effective? What's your own technique and what's a good opportunity to look for?

As others have said, not every corner is an overtaking opportunity, the Esses at Suzuka for example are a no go for overtakes unless they either make a mistake or you can simply drive around the outside (which is unlikely).

I tend to try and move around a bit when I'm right behind them, see if they cover the lines, always trying to get back on line and take the corner better than them so as to get a better exit and that's when to go past. Outbraking up the inside is possible but difficult and you're relying on them being clean if you do get it right. I'd completely agree with @vicbol that the easier way to overtake in this game is on the way out of corners rather than into them.

 

[cjr3559]

If there was a way I could ‘dislike’ post #24 I would. Cut everyone up to get to the fast guys? Wonderful. This pretty much seals the deal and closes the door with Sport mode for me. Forget it, have fun out there.

 

[polizei]

I cant tell you how sick and tired I am of the idiots that try to overtake you in the chicane @ Dragon Tail. I know it's only a three lap race but for the love of all things motor, have some bloody patience. Thanks to Dragon Tail and a poor Sportsmanship rating system, I dropped from an S to a D in 1 day. I lost SR in every single event. I would love for these bumper car enthusiast to sit down and watch some I-Racing content.

I wish the SR system had some kind of punitive light-ban where if you can't get even one clean sector after a few races you get a temporary freeze on entering races, maybe make you watch the sportsman videos again haha!

 

[Deadheadbill]

I'll overtake most anytime.

When I am drunk.
When I am sober.
When I am barreling into a corner.
Immediately after I spin someone out.
Immediately after I dive bomb someone.
In the first turn when everyone is all bunched up.

Of course I'm kidding, but someone will get bent out of shape anyway.

I wish the SR system had some kind of punitive light-ban where if you can't get even one clean sector after a few races you get a temporary freeze on entering races, maybe make you watch the sportsman videos again haha!

Not sure exactly how they could do that, but a timeout or more serious consequences than are there currently wouldn't be a bad idea imo.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Generally speaking, on corner entry and mid-corner, you're always better to be inside. There's usually more grip there, you're less likely to make a mistake down there because you're used to driving on the inside and, in the event of contact, it's not usually catastrophic. At a start for example, I'd always give up position to get to the inside, whenever possible. If I can enter a corner 6th but on the outside or 8th on the inside, it'll be 8th most of the time, especially in tighter corners. Just being on the inside will often gain you a couple of spots as guys are forced off into the gravel. May not be much of an issue with the rolling starts though but it certainly applies to pack racing.

Also generally speaking, the motus operendi of most of the weaker drivers online, is to brake too late, get the car out of shape, and lose exit speed. Exit speed and getting on the throttle early is the key to being fast online and in real life. You can usually figure out tendencies in a couple of corners and then plan for an over/under move. Pressure him almost up to the braking point, take a slightly wider and slower entry than normal, rotate the car towards a slightly later apex to get on the throttle as early as possible, then complete your pass on the straight. The late apex may not even be necessary if he gets enough out of shape.

Capitalizing on mistakes and carnage is important too. If you see a couple of guys ahead of you bumping and grinding, leave a little space to stay out trouble, but be ready to pounce when the inevitable contact occurs.

Practice is important. Once I've figured out a track, I start practicing overtaking on my own. I take corners on the outside to see what speed I can carry. I dive low on the inside under hard braking to see what happens. If you don't practice this you won't be ready for it when the race starts. Endlessly hotlapping on the racing line isn't the best use of your practice time.