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what has happened to the guide? i have been using it for most of my cars... it's very good and useful...
PLEASE COME BACK
PLEASE COME BACK
Where has Ducks Tuning Guide gone to?
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I have a link to it: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=67969
I think it just faded back a few pages because he hasn't posted a new setting in it recently.
I think it just faded back a few pages because he hasn't posted a new setting in it recently.
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what has happened to the guide? i have been using it for most of my cars... it's very good and useful...
PLEASE COME BACK
It's not gone. As the poster below said, it's just fallen off the front page. There's always a link to it in Duck's signature, too, and the FAQs.
Heh, I just noticed this as well. I was freaking out when it wasn't coming up in any search results, and it wasn't at the top of the page as well... so I feared it could've been accidentally deleted. 
But seriously though, does anyone know why it was unstickied in the first place? Now, you can't even find it unless you know what to specifically look for. And that defeats the purpose of the thread.
Oh well.
But seriously though, does anyone know why it was unstickied in the first place? Now, you can't even find it unless you know what to specifically look for. And that defeats the purpose of the thread.
Oh well.
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I think that you should ask a mod, because that was so useful I think it must have been an accident.
"Useful" must be the understatement of the year..... it´s the best thread I know!!
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PUT IT UP ON THE TOP OF THE SETTING PAGE AGAIN PLEASE!!
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The problem with Duck's Tuning guide is that it is formula-based. In other words, there are set ratios that are applied to all cars in a particular circumstance. That's a lot of how he has managed to put together settings for so many cars. Most of us who have done a lot of adjusting and testing in GT3 and GT4 do not feel this is the best way to go.
1. Yes, they are based on a formula... but it's not like I go "okay, stiffen springs by 3 points, lower car 20mm, I'm done even if it sucks". I apply a formula and then tweak it in however way to make the car handle as good as possible.
2. Allow me to show you some things.
The reputation I have received on the first post of my tuning thread, not including the rep I have received on the individual posts for each car setting:
The number of views the thread has received: nearly 85,000.
Yes, I have admitted and will admit again that my settings aren't perfect, they aren't the end all, be all solution to everything out there. If you create a setting for a given car from the ground up, and made sure every specific setting is as good as possible, of course those settings will be better than mine. However, there have been many people who have benefited from my settings and my thread, as the rep and the amount of page views have dictated, as well as all of the people who have posted in this thread, and to unsticky it (and therefore prevent people from benefiting from my set-ups) because "it is not the best way to go" is silly.
I'm not going to go into a hissy-fit if you decide not to resticky it, because I haven't updated in a year and have no plans to. Hell, I was ecstatic you guys nailed it to the top of the forum to begin with, as the thread was originally made because my setting wouldn't fit in my signature because of space limitations. That said, this does disappoint me, and this disappoints me greatly.
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Now, if the number of views makes a good thread, I've got a really good answer to that...Duck
I must make the point that a lot of the reputation given to you may have been from people who have never been on the tuning scene before, and perhaps if they'd been to the Mad Finntuners Co. first, or somewhere similar (where setups are made meticulously from the ground up, for an exact given purpose), they would see the difference.
Having said that, anyone who refers to a thread as 'far out and groovy' gets my vote
I'll not say again that formula methods aren't the best way to go, because you know that and there's no need to go into the hows and whys of why your setups aren't 'perfect' - perhaps if the thread was renamed to something that reflects its intention (I'm guessing at its intention here, correct me if I'm wrong) to be a starting point for new tuners, it could get back to the top as a sort of 'newbie guide' in a more practical form than, say, Scaff's tuning guide.
The thread's still listed in the FAQs section - that should be enough exposure until any new setups appear in it. How's this for an incentive to carry on - new setup = front page
Just my thoughts on the matter.
DE
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[devil's advocate]
But what if the formula took you in completely the wrong direction in the first place?
You actually only have 4 positive reps there. The grey ones are from new members who cannot give out rep yet. Those new members may also be new GT4 players who do not know any better.
[devil's advocate]
I can't speak for everyone, but I cannot drive any cars that have your settings applied to them. Maybe its my driving style, or maybe its because I use a wheel, I don't know.
If you really want your thread to be back at the top, then post another setup in it, or open it and allow discussion.
But what if the formula took you in completely the wrong direction in the first place?
You actually only have 4 positive reps there. The grey ones are from new members who cannot give out rep yet. Those new members may also be new GT4 players who do not know any better.
[devil's advocate]
I can't speak for everyone, but I cannot drive any cars that have your settings applied to them. Maybe its my driving style, or maybe its because I use a wheel, I don't know.
If you really want your thread to be back at the top, then post another setup in it, or open it and allow discussion.
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And there's the problem. Having myself spent a HUGE amount of time - literally thousands of hours - putting together an FAQ and information guide for a different forum, I am extremely sensitive to the quality of information that is distributed in a site like this. In fact, the main reason I got involved in writing that other FAQ was that it drove me nuts to see the volume of poor, slightly incorrect, and downright awful information that was faithfully parroted from inexperienced member to inexperienced member.
I'm not saying your setups are all bad, Duck, and it's not anything personal. I just find the premise flawed, as daan points out below. I've seen historically mixed results from formula-based tuning. Therefore I'm not eager to have that information posted up as an example for all inexperienced tuners to follow.
TuneRvisioN/CNG has hinted (and even outright requested) that his "First timethrough GT4?" thread get stickied, but I'm not going to do it for exactly the same reason. The information is not especially detailed or accurate, it's highly subjective, and it's of questionable reliability. Again, it's not the level of expertise that we want to champion at GTPlanet.
Exactly. The information hasn't disappeared. There's a link available in the FAQ and you're welcome to link it in your sig as well. But to sticky it means it carries the "GTP Seal of Approval" when in fact we don't entirely approve of it.
Agreed.
Eh, I see both of your points. I'm not willing to open the thread back up (tidiness would get smashed like a roach), nor can I make any new set-ups (or even have the will to do so), so I guess I'll just shut up and let it fade into the darkness.
EDIT: @ Duke, saw your post, saw your points, and I (somewhat) agree.
I'm not willing to open the thread back up (tidiness would get smashed like a roach), nor can I make any new set-ups (or even have the will to do so), so I guess I'll just shut up and let it fade into the darkness. EDIT: @ Duke, saw your post, saw your points, and I (somewhat) agree.
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Now, if the number of views makes a good thread, I've got a really good answer to that...
I must make the point that a lot of the reputation given to you may have been from people who have never been on the tuning scene before, and perhaps if they'd been to the Mad Finntuners Co. first, or somewhere similar (where setups are made meticulously from the ground up, for an exact given purpose), they would see the difference.
Having said that, anyone who refers to a thread as 'far out and groovy' gets my vote
I'll not say again that formula methods aren't the best way to go, because you know that and there's no need to go into the hows and whys of why your setups aren't 'perfect' - perhaps if the thread was renamed to something that reflects its intention (I'm guessing at its intention here, correct me if I'm wrong) to be a starting point for new tuners, it could get back to the top as a sort of 'newbie guide' in a more practical form than, say, Scaff's tuning guide.
The thread's still listed in the FAQs section - that should be enough exposure until any new setups appear in it. How's this for an incentive to carry on - new setup = front page
Just my thoughts on the matter.
DE
I'm not on the GTP board all that often but I was in the Viper GTS tonight and I was curious to see if anyone else had a setup for this car. I came across Ducks settings and I rofl
it was so funny. Now I remember why I never opened that thread before. Oh this must be for newbies who are new to GT4 and I guess use Ducks settings as a starting point. You took the words right out of my mouth Dark Elite.
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