Where is the oversteer?

[MR-2]

Hey Everybody,

I've been playing GT4 for a coulpe of days now, and I have to say I'm a little disappointed with the handling of the lower-end MR cars in the game. Where is the power induced oversteer? Or snap-oversteer for that matter? When go full throttle mid corner, with a 180kw 97 MR2 GT-S, or a tuned 300kw NSX, all I get is understeer- it feels as though I've got racing slicks on the back and bald old retreads on the front- pushing me to the outside of the corner every time.

I know I can fix this by adjusting the suspension, but it shouldn't really be necessary.. These cars should get power induced oversteer without mods.

PS- Yes I've turned of the ASM and traction control- and have my steering setup on Simulation mode.

Anybody had the same frustrations?

M

 

[50/50]

if you dont brake enough, you will understeer horribly in any car. im sure that tires that dont grip as much would fix your trouble too.

 

[Crayola]

Try turning of the driving aids. (I suggest keeping traction control on if you're in a really powerful car though)

 

[BlackNSX]

Having similar problems, thought it was the traction control etc being off but where is the option to switch them off?

So far i would say Prologue is better, but if its just a case of changing options i would be relieved!

-Rob

 

[Elerium]

Having similar problems, thought it was the traction control etc being on but where is the option to switch them off?

At the start of a race go to Settings then the "Driving Aids" section. Feel free to set all of them to 0 for most cars. Maybe you want 1 or 2 TCS on a very high horsepower car if you're having problems with tire spin at launch.

You can also get to this screen for the current car by pressing the START button at your "Home" screen. (the place where you go to Garage/Options/Save/etc.).

Note that ASM and TCS are enabled by default on every car you obtain and you have to manually go into one of these places to turn it off. There is no global setting to turn them all off for good.

With every new car I get, I have to do this and then the oil change... why couldn't PD have made it a global/default option (and an intial oil change unnecessary)

 

[BlackNSX]

Thanks dude. Yeah thats stupid not having it as a global setting, its not like racing drivers have TC turned on anyway 👎

Oh well, at least i know now! Cheers,

-Rob

 

[MR-2]

Yeah I always turn off the driving aids (painful that you have to do it with every car), but still understeer aplenty.

Don't get me wrong, the game is lots of fun to play, but I don't think the physics engine that everybody is raving about is all it's cracked up to be. You shouldn't have to do a scandinavian flick to get the tail out on a standard MR-2 or NSX.

 

[I6-4-eva]

Try using Standard tires N1 or N2 without a LSD. I can get a lot of oversteer in my stock 86 MR2 with that setup. However it's a different story with my stock 02 NSX-R I can't get any oversteer unless i'm off the throttle going into a corner but I've never driven a 2002 NSX-R I.R.L. so what do I know.

 

[Super Jamie]

i bought a 10km special nsx type s zero (mmm metallic lime green). i gave it an oil change, turned driving aids off, and took it on apricot hill reverse. it has 290bhp (maybe 298?)

i had a difficult time actually keeping it in a straight line, you certainly can't just lean on the accelerator coming out of a corner like you can with an FR car

the oversteer is definately there, even stock. i hope you find it, i'm thinking this thing is so oversteery and with a nice weight balance for getting the arse out, i might try a drift setup for it

 

[Super Jamie]

after another drive in a 328hp nsx type r, perhaps i was incorrect there. if you lean onto the brakes into a corner, or get onto a rise then dip that momentarily causes the tyres to lose grip, you can get it to oversteer, as the heavy weight of the engine in the back tries to overtake the front. if you nail the throttle, the back digs down and gets traction, again i assume because there's an engine almost over the rear wheels

keep in mind the tyres you're using. S2s would be the equivalent of a real life entry level slick tyre, probably something so high level you couldn't legally drive on the roads with them. if i put them on a real nsx, i'd hope it wouldn't break traction under acceleration either!

perhaps try in N3s, which would be closer to the sort of performance tyre you'd put on a real life NSX (eg: yokohama A539). N2s would be a budget performance tyre (eg: yokohama S306) , N1s would be average passenger car crap. S1s would be something like a road registerable semi-slick (eg: yokohama A032Rs or falken azenis). that's how i imagine it anyway, anybody feel free to correct me

 

[mrnelson]

Don't forget if you aren't buying the car new you have to do a chassis refresh on the car before you can judge any part of it's handling characteristics.

Basically you should consider the chassis of any used car (with the possible exception of the 6.2Mile cars) to be out of alignment, and this will always affect the handling.

 

[sukerkin]

Very true, MrNelson. I found that, without refreshing the chassis, my TVR's had lift-off understeer and it was only after forking out the required credits that I got back my beloved ablity to throttle steer the Blackpool Rockets.

I'm not too sure that adding a Roll Cage will be that great an idea for many cars in the game as you don't get many cars more oversteery than a Cerbera and mounting a roll cage has neutered my first example pretty effectively. Maybe I just need to add more HP "

 

[Greyout]

none of the cars exibit lift-throttle oversteer, thats a bit of a shame...

 

[sukerkin]

That is a shame Greyout. I haven't gotten out of the stock power ranges yet (having too much fun with my old TVR's to change ) but not having that 'feature' of lift-off oversteer with a high torque engine is a definite flaw in the physics engine.

 

[Duke]

none of the cars exibit lift-throttle oversteer, thats a bit of a shame...

A stock 3rd-gen RX-7 has definite lift oversteer. In fact, with a little extra power, it's easy to get in the position where you're going too fast on some of the sweepers, but you don't dare back off it because you'll lose the back end. Same with the Elise 11R, which you'd expect from a mid-engine car.

 

[d3p0]

Lift-oversteer is the only way to get through corners in my high powered WRX..

 

[rj_SL65AMG]

i put softer stickier tires in the front and harder tires in the back. this way the front grips while the back end steps out abit with proper trottle modulation.

the only problem with this is the car will begin to plow as the race progresses as the front tires will wear faster.

 

[Bad760]

I just tried the Renault 5 Turbo Maxi rally car in arcade mode last night and that has heaps of lift-off oversteer, if you have to lift for a corner then you will be going round it sideways

My Renault Cleo V6 and 205 T16 rally car both have plenty of lift-off oversteer as well

 

[Maturin]

The lift-off oversteer is also MUCH more noticeable using the Standard (N) tires. I test new cars using N2 tires on the Ring, and some cares have noticeable lift-off oversteer as default settings. The M5 will do it routinely, and there are two turns where I have to be real careful to stay even on throttle.

I think the stickier sport tires are set to reduce this oversteer, or they just do it by their own traction.

As the game says, if you want to experience the car in its factory spec, you need to use those tires. On the ring at least, it's 25 seconds difference in grip for the M3 (yeah, a lot), and I can run a nearly pro-level lap.