Which cobra?

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Hi, Im wondering if there are big differences between the ac 427 and shelby cobra? I just loves the shelby cobra but since i already can use the buick special in the americans cup i wonder if the Ac 427 is a better choice since i can use it i more european cups?
Please tell me if one of the cars really marks it self out from the other or if they are pretty alike.
 
i bought the shelby...i noticed it had more power or torque(don't remember which). I don't remember the exact details but i looked at both and ended up buying the shelby, which was the more expensve of the 2 if i remember correctly.
 
The AC has taller gears, reaching 173 versus the Shelby's 154, but that doesn't matter much when you can buy a fully-custo tranny anyway. You need the Shelby to beat the Cobra Cup, so it is a tossup.
 
You need the Shelby to beat the Cobra Cup, so it is a tossup.[/QUOTE]

Actually you can do the Shelby manufacturer race with any Shelby, I used my Series 1 and won easily.
 
i havnt looked this up: but i seem to recall something about that the AC was a stock ford 427, and the Shelby was a Shelby tuned 427
 
i think AC made the 427 first. BUT i could be wrong.

am I the only person that thinks the AC 427 and the Caterham SuperSeven (with the one-piece front wheel covors that attach to the car, not the motorcycle covors like on the fireblade, just for an example) look similar?

EDIT: no, I'm not wrong. I'd bet vital organs that the 427 showed up before the Shelby cobra. I know this, saw it in a encyclopedia or something.
 
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i think AC made the 427 first. BUT i could be wrong.

am I the only person that thinks the AC 427 and the Caterham SuperSeven (with the one-piece front wheel covors that attach to the car, not the motorcycle covors like on the fireblade, just for an example) look similar?

EDIT: no, I'm not wrong. I'd bet vital organs that the 427 showed up before the Shelby cobra. I know this, saw it in a encyclopedia or something.
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Read the ticker tape that runs under the Shelby Cobra where you buy it. It gives a brief history of the car.
 
It was a modified AC Ace body of which the Cobra was made.

Ac had lots of experience in building sports cars, so Shelby teamed with the AC people to design and build the first cars. AC countinued to build AC Cobras from there on, Cobra 289 and 427 being the famous ones.

Whether there's a 'Shelby' badge or an 'AC' badge makes no difference in performance or handling or anything really... They just needed two brands
to sell the cars in different markets.
So, an AC Cobra 427 S/C has 485 hp as does the equivalent S/C Shelby.
 
TurboJ
It was a modified AC Ace body of which the Cobra was made.

Ac had lots of experience in building sports cars, so Shelby teamed with the AC people to design and build the first cars. AC countinued to build AC Cobras from there on, Cobra 289 and 427 being the famous ones.

Whether there's a 'Shelby' badge or an 'AC' badge makes no difference in performance or handling or anything really... They just needed two brands
to sell the cars in different markets.
So, an AC Cobra 427 S/C has 485 hp as does the equivalent S/C Shelby.
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nice bit of info on it :) 👍
 
:drooling: Oooh have I got another hybrid idea when they are possible to make.
I'm going to slap the GT350 Mustang's 289 V-8 into the AC Cobra (too bad it also has 427 badges on it) to make one of the 289 powered Cobras. The bodies were differentiated between 289 and 427 powered Cobras if I'm not mistaken. The 289 cars didn't need so much rubber, and consequently not nearly as large of a fender flare. Oh well, so my 289 version will have more grip than it really needs but that will just add to the ease of drivability.
 
I got both cause the damn AC kept showing up in the classic euro race, and would smoke my Jag E type. I already had the shelby for the Cobra races.

Serirously, at almost 15% I have around 15 million in cash. Money doesnt seem hard to come by in this game.
 
If I remember right, the AC 427 is simply the Cobra with a slightly less powerful engine released by AC Cars in Europe as a way to get rid of the remaining Cobra bodies (w/c were originally meant for Shelby) after Shelby stopped production of the Cobra in the US.
 
the AC is right hand drive, hence its from Britian, the Shelby is good ol Left hand drive, other than that, the few HP difference, and different gearing, they are identical.
 
You can get the AC cobra in more colours though.
 
Back in 1963/1964 Carrol Shelby went to Ford and said "gimme 25,000 cash, and i'll give you a small sports car everyone will want" so Ford handed him 25 grand, and Carrol used his racing know how and went n found a company that had a small light weight chassis that would be able to hold the race proven Ford 427. He found AC, and the 427 Shelby Cobra was made. After winning many races, Shelby realized with a smaller engine, it could fit into more racing classes, hence, the 289 Shelby was created. (or vise versa, i forget right now, i'm on glue) Thats when AC started creating its own version, under the supervision of Shelby, for European events, where it too was successful. Then guidelines of races changed, and so did the times, and the car no longer raced. And they all lived happily ever after in racing museums and rich prissy peoples garages. The end.
 
pinakaguwaping
If I remember right, the AC 427 is simply the Cobra with a slightly less powerful engine released by AC Cars in Europe as a way to get rid of the remaining Cobra bodies (w/c were originally meant for Shelby) after Shelby stopped production of the Cobra in the US.
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think that is correct that happend with other cars as well
 
hitman146
think that is correct that happend with other cars as well
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The thing to get rid of the remaining Cobra bodies was the 427 S/C - AC started making Cobras to sell themselves (as opposed to shipping them to Shelby in America to have the engines fitted) in late 1963 after they stopped production of the Ace and had nothing left to sell.
 
This is more of a question, but wasn't there 2 427's for the shelby/ac cobra. One was a hi power 427 (forged internals), and the other was the rare monster 427 SOHC (single overhead cams). I know some came with 428ci motor.
 
Group C Fanatic
As far as I remember Shelby simply stuck a Ford engine in a successful British car made by AC and a great 'American' car was born.
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Actually, they had to do a lot of tuning and fabrication to make the car work properly. It "handled and braked like $%#" I believe was the quote from one interview I watched of the actual mechanics and drivers of the original race cars. The car was not stolen and passed off as their own achievement. They are the ones who made it a household name.

Also, I havn't compared the two versions in the game, but I THINK the should be slight visual differences. The original car was a bit smaller and narrower. Shelby bulked it up a bit and flared the fenders a tad, giving it a more muscular look once he started trying to fit the 427 in it.
 
Lethalchem
Actually, they had to do a lot of tuning and fabrication to make the car work properly. It "handled and braked like $%#" I believe was the quote from one interview I watched of the actual mechanics and drivers of the original race cars. The car was not stolen and passed off as their own achievement. They are the ones who made it a household name.

Also, I havn't compared the two versions in the game, but I THINK the should be slight visual differences. The original car was a bit smaller and narrower. Shelby bulked it up a bit and flared the fenders a tad, giving it a more muscular look once he started trying to fit the 427 in it.
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The Ace became the Cobra with Shelby's input - the first one was the Cobra 289 with the original 'narrow body'. The 289 was only built by AC, and was badges as such - and all were right-hand drive.
The 289 was succesful in many racing categories as it had low weight, lots of power and good handling. The big block Corvettes in particular, gave Cobras a run for their money, however, and the need for more power resulted in building big block Cobras.

The Cobra 427 was more than just a bigger engine fitted to an existing car - the whole car was in fact redesigned, few parts remaining the same. They replaced the original tubular frame with a twin-pipe design, so the frame featured twice as many pipes as the original. The body was modified with new, much wider fenders and bigger wheel wells, a bigger double grille and many detail differences.
The suspension was consideraly beefed up and the braking system was upgraded to full race specification. A new transmission and clutch housing were used, as well as a new differential unit. In effect, the 427 was very much a different car than the 289, even though they share the basic layout with eachother.

The 289 was only ever built by AC in Britain, but the 427 was also built by Shelby in the US. Ones built by Shelby had the bodywork shipped from the AC factory, though a number of body panels were also manufactured by Shelby.
There were two versions of the 427, and both manufacturers built both - the regular 427, and the 427 S/C ( Sport / Competition ). The regukar model had 425 hp, while the S/C had 485 hp and revved higher. The engines were made from the same basis, but the S/C unit had some more heavy-duyt parts, for example different camshaft.

The only differences between AC and Shelby Cobras were badging and colour options. In technical sense, they were identical. AC has been continuing to refine th Cobra, and builds evolved versions to this day, with later small-block Ford engines. Shelby also made a very limited run of Cobras in the early '90s - they used leftover lightweight alloy body panels they had stored up when manufacturing was halted back in '66.
 

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