WHO declares Diesel fumes highly carcinogenic

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We've known this for years.

Diesel exhaust contains two of the most potent carcinogens ever tested. In fact, the top two - 3-Nitrobenzanthrone and 1,8-Dinitropyrene. They're the top two scorers in the Ames Test for carcinogens and are both exclusively produced by diesel combustion.

If you search GTP for "Nitrobenzanthrone" you'll find a post by me from so long ago I can't even remember when it was... 2005/6 maybe? This isn't news, except to the WHO...
 
This news is not unexpected, diesel engines have been shown to output more harmful chemicals than petrol engines for a long time. Despite this governments have a fixation on lowering co2 levels and have therefore encouraged the use of diesel cars. Lower taxation on diesel fuel and the indirect incentive of lower taxation on low co2 output has led to 70% of all new cars sold in Ireland in 2011 to be diesel powered.

Although lowering co2 is important this goal cannot be achieved by these current means. Incentives need to be changed to small high efficiency petrol engines (ford recently launched a 1 litre focus which they say will reach ~55 mpg (UK) ). And there needs to be far greater emphasis on electric cars. Many manufacturers, Audi, BMW... are now considering halting their electric car programmes because of poor sales their rivals have encountered.

The austerity without stimulus throughout European ecomonoies is no doubt creating a large part of this problem.
 
Driving said trucks and cars...wont cause you cancer though it seems, especially with how much smog emissions they must go through. Then again I don't know, I like diesel but over the years from hearing about this and then finally the final nail in the coffin on the subject seems to have turned me off of them.
 
The real question is, now that the WHO have declared it as an official status will governments do anything to lessen the harm caused to their populaces?

Or will it just mean more taxes?
 
The real question is, now that the WHO have declared it as an official status will governments do anything to lessen the harm caused to their populaces?

Or will it just mean more taxes?

To any government in the world those two statements are not only not mutually exclusive, they would fail to see exactly what the difference was to require two options.
 
Forgive me for being a bit thick today Famine, the little one ensured I only had a few hours of sleep, but I have read your post five times in a bid for my tired brain to make sense of it to no avail.

Are you saying that the two are exclusively linked?
 
Yep. In the minds of government they protect us from things by taxing them.
 
I suppose it should vaguely work. But we know it never will.

I can't see them banning diesel engines in public places anytime soon.
 
In the minds of the Belgium government, all that matters are taxes which means more income. They don't care that diesel is poisonous.
 
In the EU, Diesel will climb considerably in prices in 2-3 years time. It will be on pair or greater than the price of gas.

But I don't think it has something to do with the discussed subject, but more with greed to finance shady banks that are in peril after one year after their constitution.

And we all know that while reducing the Co2 print is a good sign, there are way more dangerous things coming out of exaust or other places.
 
Banning diesel engines will not happen for a long time. How will the world be supplied??

Public transport, delivery vans and trucks, the ships on the oceans... Diesel, baby.


In the EU, Diesel will climb considerably in prices in 2-3 years time. It will be on pair or greater than the price of gas.

And I don't know about that either. Coming from a truckers family, most companies already struggle with the high diesel price. If it would be raised even more, everything comes to a stop, because companies cannot afford to drive their trucks.
 
@Dennisch: the Eu wanted to tax the products by their energy concentration.
Diesel would have been taxed more.
Now after a quick google it was refused in April. So all's good. Though I think to not cripple logistics they would have had a tax reduction for commercial applications
 
There are numerous news stories currently running which discuss conversion of the US 18-wheeler truck fleet from diesel oil to natural gas. Sounds like a good idea to me. 💡

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
It may sound like a good idea but that pretty much gives fracking the ultra-green light. And will raise the price of natural gas as a result. Bad for everyone but the US government and oil companies that are doing the fracking.
 
Yep. In the minds of government they protect us from things by taxing them.

Err no. They see excuses that will appear as justification for increasing taxation on the ground that it is for our own good so that they can steal our money.

If something is genuinely bad for you the solution is not to tax it but to outlaw it.

That does not happen because it doesn't raise revenue.
 
Im sure in 100 years time it will be common knowledge that everything man made causes cancer except cigarettes lol

Being on the BBC I daren't read the article for fear of miss information, was this including BIO Diesel?

Bring on the Hemp Fuel!!
 
I have a question. The US implemented a "low sulfur" diesel regulation and these urea-based filtration systems on the vehicles. Does any of this reduce the carcinogens in the exhaust.

Also, government cannot ban unhealthy but popular or economy driving products, so they tax it more and more to drive the popularity and economic benefits down. Taxing is a back door way of banning things. Trust me, if reducing the use of something sounds like a good idea the government will find a way to regulate it. No "progressive" politician has heard of a good idea that they don't believe is also the government's responsibility.
 
Banning diesel engines will not happen for a long time. How will the world be supplied??

Public transport, delivery vans and trucks, the ships on the oceans... Diesel, baby.




And I don't know about that either. Coming from a truckers family, most companies already struggle with the high diesel price. If it would be raised even more, everything comes to a stop, because companies cannot afford to drive their trucks.


Oil companies are still making huge profits, prices are consistently going up no matter the price of oil (which if my memory serves me correctly went down last year for a time). When the prices get so high that people can't afford it then oil companies will be forced to lower prices, simple supply and demand. Thats my prediction anyway.

Check the oil prices here.
http://oil-price.net/dashboard.php?lang=en#brent_crude_price_large
 
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No. I mean anything that affects everyone. Smoking is a personal choice issue.

According to the government nothing is a personal choice issue. And smoking definitely isn't as apparently looking at someone after you smoke will give them cancer. You know, there is all the second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth hand smoking that can give non-smokers cancer. I mean how else do we defend blaming all instances of lung cancer on smoking?

Sarcasm aside, smoking bans are based on the premise that when you smoke it affects everyone around you. And if I know our government, they will use smoking bans as a precedent for banning diesel engines. LA is already looking to ban leaf blowers on a similar precedent.

I imagine it is only time before we see a city ban diesel trucks in the city. This will cause depots to be built along city limits, where large trucks are unloaded on to smaller electric or petrol trucks and delivered throughout the city. And the politicians will pat each other on the back for creating jobs. Or we will see many more loads delivered via train, crushing the trucking business while booming the rail freight business. Of course, trains cannot ship everywhere a truck can, so unless you live in a city with a rail depot nearby you will see higher prices to offset the additional steps in delivery costs.
 
Rowing boats and pedal cars. 💡 :lol:

I'm partial to wind-powered vessels^^^^

I found a link to a Company that might actually make some commercial sailing ships! According to another website, they "might" be economically viable for trips up to 1000 miles (on windy days).

B9 Shipping

GTsail...from near the pond :lol:
 

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:lol: It doesn't take much common sense to figure that one out..
 
There are numerous news stories currently running which discuss conversion of the US 18-wheeler truck fleet from diesel oil to natural gas. Sounds like a good idea to me. 💡

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

I've seen some that run on vegetable oil, and food grease. Hmm.
 
Being on the BBC I daren't read the article for fear of miss information, was this including BIO Diesel?

Who is this Miss Information and where can I meet her? She sounds like the cute bookwormy type.

Bio-diesel still burns in the same manner as fossil-fuel diesel, it just has a lower "carbon footprint" because the means by which it has been created are renewable to some degree and absorb CO2 during their growth. So it's better, but the fumes are still a bit nasty.

I have a question. The US implemented a "low sulfur" diesel regulation and these urea-based filtration systems on the vehicles. Does any of this reduce the carcinogens in the exhaust.

To some degree, I expect. It's known as AdBlue in Europe, and reduces oxides of nitrogen and some exhaust emissions, though I'm not sure to what degree. Particulate filters clear some more (specifically, particulate matter that even without toxic components is pretty bad for your health) but diesel engines are still inherently less clean than gasoline ones.

As an aside, the research confirms to me that people who enjoy "rolling the coals" are dicks, and that London really needs to do something about its black cabs, most of which side-step modern car regulations for exhaust emissions. I know! Let's make inner-city transport exempt from emissions regulations, where they're most important!

I've seen some that run on vegetable oil, and food grease. Hmm.

Yup. Both examples of bio-diesel. Not all are suitable for modern vehicles without work, but you can happily run old pre-1990s diesels on filtered used cooking oil. Many people do and if you have a decent supply of old oil from a fish'n'chip shop or similar then it becomes very cheap indeed to fill up your car.

Of course, while it's environmentally responsible from a recycling stand-point, you'd still be driving a decidedly unclean pre-catalyst pre-DPF mechanical-injection diesel, from which the emissions tend to be rather visible.
 
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