Who is Sharing the Hybrid GT5 Vehicles?

[Fazerfan]

People has to use hybrids responsible.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Good to see your back, all well?

I agree there is a line where people should not go over. I also agree that PD is monitoring the market. But as software developer myself, I can only come up with that it's a flaw in PD's software. There are ways to block anything. Especially when they have the problem with online lobbies and/or trading.

But if Sony really wanna sue me for "receiving" a few video-game cars...well let them come please!
Doubt they really wanna invest so much money to sue everybody?
By now 100 or maybe already 1000 people received that Honda Civic or any of the other Hybrids.

If Sony would, it would make a great news item..

"People afraid to buy PS4, in case they receive an in-game item. You can get sued!"

I was more or less talking about them suing the people doing the jailbreaking. Like I said, it was done before.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America_v._George_Hotz

Regardless of economic loss or not, its still tampering with or altering the system as described in the article. So no, I don't think you will be sued for having the glitched goods, but I have no doubts that they will go after the more serious offenders.

 

[XoteRz]

Regardless of economic loss or not, its still tampering with or altering the system as described in the article. So no, I don't think you will be sued for having the glitched goods, but I have no doubts that they will go after the more serious offenders.

I honestly doubt they will do anything besides reset the power on the cars, or block them from going online.

 

[Milldrum]

I have a feeling that the Hybriding of cars is not a jail breaking of the system, just a manipulation of the game save on a computer. If Kaz and PD get wind of the situation then trading might be what we lose.

 

[Outeke]

I was more or less talking about them suing the people doing the jailbreaking. Like I said, it was done before.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America_v._George_Hotz

Regardless of economic loss or not, its still tampering with or altering the system as described in the article. So no, I don't think you will be sued for having the glitched goods, but I have no doubts that they will go after the more serious offenders.

Yup, I bet they fight them all the time.

I have a feeling that the Hybriding of cars is not a jail breaking of the system, just a manipulation of the game save on a computer. If Kaz and PD get wind of the situation then trading might be what we lose.

And then borrowing cars. As with the borrowglitch (which is never patched) you still can obtain manipulated cars.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

Does anyone remember when

[*]Go-Karts had an exploit where you could revert to 1.00 & put Racing Soft Tyres on the Kart which is restricted to Sports Soft?
[*](PD took notice of this.)
[*]Some cars like one of the lambo's could get Dirt Tyres Glitched onto them.
Then participate in Rally events.
[*](PD took notice of this.)


PD issued an update to check those offending parameters and now when you select those cars the parameters are reset.

The upcoming maintenance could be a patch,
If so, it will likely reset the offending params of any BHP boosted car upon selection.
If not this patch, the next. (PD noticed the Tyres, they will notice this Civic)

While PD did take notice of the tyre issue, glitched cars still work even if more cant be made. My Ford MKIV and my Ferrari 512bb can still be entered into rally events. Which makes me wonder that PD cannot remove/fix glitched items.

 

[Milldrum]

And then borrowing cars. As with the borrowglitch (which is never patched) you still can obtain manipulated cars.

How can anyone try to take someone to court for PD allowing them to receive a gift. Could the person then take PD to court for allowing it to occur?

 

[Samus]

I was more or less talking about them suing the people doing the jailbreaking. Like I said, it was done before.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America_v._George_Hotz

Regardless of economic loss or not, its still tampering with or altering the system as described in the article. So no, I don't think you will be sued for having the glitched goods, but I have no doubts that they will go after the more serious offenders.

That was the person who actually enabled the jailbreak originally though. I'm pretty sure they don't and won't take people who use that exploit to court, it wouldn't be worth it. Same for anyone making these cars, the only thing that will happen is a clean up/fix by PD. Sony wouldn't get involved for something like this.

 

[Doodle]

Does anyone remember when

[*]Go-Karts had an exploit where you could revert to 1.00 & put Racing Soft Tyres on the Kart which is restricted to Sports Soft?
[*](PD took notice of this.)

I do remember this but the change of tires didn't change the performance of the kart FYI. Somehow I'm still able to access all the tires in my Go Kart when I go in the pits

 

[eran0004]

How can anyone try to take someone to court for PD allowing them to receive a gift. Could the person then take PD to court for allowing it to occur?

1. If you asked for someone to give you the car you're contributing to a demand for the car and creating an incentive for the maker of the car to duplicate and spread it. 2. If you asked for the car to be given to you, it's not like you're unaware of the content of the gift. It's a bit like buying illegal drugs on the internet, give them your address and then act surprised when the mail arrives and try to sue the post office for distributing illegal drugs to you. 3. If you use the car online you're actually cheating, regardless if you asked for the car or not. I'm no lawyer so I have no idea wether all of that would be reasonable in a court or not, but it would make sense to me...

Most likely though, the worst outcome from this is a permanent PSN ban. A reasonable outcome is just a patch that fixes the glitch. Different companies have different policies when it comes to exploiting glitches, some strike down at it with great fury and vengeance, others doesn't care at all.

On a side note, what is wrong with simply playing the game the way it was meant? Having a broken car (it's not a hybrid, that word has already been taken by cars like the Prius) will be fun for 10 minutes, considering the potential risks I wouldn't say that it's worth it.

 

[Samus]

1. If you asked for someone to give you the car you're contributing to a demand for the car and creating an incentive for the maker of the car to duplicate and spread it. 2. If you asked for the car to be given to you, it's not like you're unaware of the content of the gift. It's a bit like buying illegal drugs on the internet, give them your address and then act surprised when the mail arrives and try to sue the post office for distributing illegal drugs to you. 3. If you use the car online you're actually cheating, regardless if you asked for the car or not. I'm no lawyer so I have no idea wether all of that would be reasonable in a court or not, but it would make sense to me...

A court of law would laugh at any company trying to bring legal action against someone for those actions. It's not going to happen, it's not even illegal, just against ToS.

 

[Guardian]

A court of law would laugh at any company trying to bring legal action against someone for those actions. It's not going to happen, it's not even illegal, just against ToS.

Agreed. 👍

But what do you think will happen to the sources (the people with the 'developer' PS3s)? I'm quite eager to see how PD handles this 'problem'.

 

[Samus]

Well they would be in for sterner punishment and I'm sure at the very least Sony would want that devkit hauled off them but as far as PD surely all they're going to do is block all of these cars off in some way or another.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I do believe PD is on to this car, and the jig is up.

Saturday I built and tuned a Civic EK ’97 for a friend.

He got the car but he said it had no upgraded parts.

Well with all the buzz about the hybrids I thought I would try to send my other account one (not a hybrid, just a built civic).

I did just now, only the weight reduction, windows, hood, chassis reinforcement, ECU and engine staging made it through. None of the other parts made it, not even the tires.

I was going to build a different car on my second account and send it back to me, but the 1 trade per day thing got me.

Edit: Ok I just thought of something I did with both of the civics I sent.

All of the stuff that made it through – I did in the tuning shop.

The stuff that didn’t make it through, I did in my garage. I didn’t leave the garage before I sent the car, could it be that the car was not saved before I sent it?

Someone please build and send a Civic cause now I really am curious.

please note: none of the civics I sent were hybrids - I have never seen a hybrid.

 

[playnthru]

Ah......Oh wait.

 

[Milldrum]

Ah......Oh wait.

This will be tough to patch. You would need to set the parameters of each car. Then you would need to lock them and introduce a system of checking them.
Or do nothing and add 1 car as DLC again.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

This will be tough to patch. You would need to set the parameters of each car. Then you would need to lock them and introduce a system of checking them.
Or do nothing and add 1 car as DLC again.

If the methods behind GT5 hybrid creation are in any way similar to previous GT games, there definitely would be a way to ensure they can't be used. A simple check that the car's modifications are the ones that were meant for it in the database is all one would need, any time a car is entered. The check could extend to the engine, chassis, tires equipped... anything, really. If Car A has any parts that have been equipped from Car B via questionable methods, the car could be locked out, or have the parts converted to their proper Car A counterparts.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I honestly doubt they will do anything besides rest the power on the cars, or block them from going online.

Restricting (and reverting) all cars used online to their default settings would resolve several issues. Sure it would piss a lot of people off. While at the same time, completely leveling the playing field by putting emphasis on driving and not tuning. It would also expose the crappy default setups PD has used on the cars.

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

I do remember this but the change of tires didn't change the performance of the kart FYI. Somehow I'm still able to access all the tires in my Go Kart when I go in the pits

While PD did take notice of the tyre issue, glitched cars still work even if more cant be made. My Ford MKIV and my Ferrari 512bb can still be entered into rally events. Which makes me wonder that PD cannot remove/fix glitched items.

I swallow my words..

Hmmm, I wonder if PD will prevent further Hybrids, while the existing ones remain... there must be at least 1000 people with it now.

 

[NSXDriver]

People has to use hybrids responsible.

this, especially given that the Hybrid X2010 has a -1500 PP value, it can be entered in any PP restricted race, and could be used to absolutely destroy the seasonal event leaderboards, i only use it in SSRX/free run rooms though, and offline of course.

 

[jerry555]

It would be great to have one of those Honda Civic's for our Friday Fun Night.

 

[MeanElf]

As has been said, it is tantamount to jailbreaking or trading/accepting hacked mods for the PS3 - something Sony don't want.

I know that these are supposedly the result of a mod-kit - but the onus is on the person who allegedly has such a kit to prove that it is so...otherwise it's all just jailbreaking.

Fancy finding out? Your account(s) could get locked out of PSN for good.

 

[Outeke]

Fancy finding out? Your account(s) could get locked out of PSN for good.

Tonight or in 2 days we'll find out.

Then everybody would massively create a new account and your good to go. 👍

 

[MeanElf]

Not if Sony locks any offender's PS3 out...but yeah, if it'll go that far, I doubt it. Just saying that they could.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I think, I read somewhere that jailbroken PS3 that could get online got permanent ban by Sony, when they found out the PS3 was used for modding/hacking/playing illegal copy of games copied onto the HDD. They can do it, if the breach of EULA is severe enough to affect online communities and breaking the law.

 

[KiroKai]

Tonight or in 2 days we'll find out.

Then everybody would massively create a new account and your good to go. 👍

And suddenly lots of savegames would be transferred across PSN accounts using third party tools you can find using a simple Google search, violating the Terms of Service and EULA once again in probably up to several hundred cases. 👍

 

[Milldrum]

And suddenly lots of savegames would be transferred across PSN accounts using third party tools

Wait, you can do that? Oh man, my trade account would have every ticket and car in the game if I could do that.

The problem is, no matter what you do, people try to work around your restrictions. Just like the borrow glitch, reloading to get what you want out of a ticket, 375 BHP Go Karts etc. So PD can patch all they like, some smart cookie will come along and find a way to work around the issue.

 

[KraigA]

I dont even see why everyone is going on about this like it is the end of the world. Is it because some people dont have access to them? I've seen literally hundreds of them about. They dont *really* effect anyone - just set a horsepower limit on your lobby if you are upset and it should block them from entering, no? I'm sure they will get patched before you know it. I have borrowed a few and the novelty of them only lasts long enough for me to make a video of them (haha) after that - I revert back to playing the game normally. They are a good laugh when you first get them for obvious reasons but after that. It's the same with everything. The novelty wears off after the first day. I'm pretty sure they will be patched before you know it and if not, a horsepower limit should do the trick. 👍

 

[ViscousTraction]

I think, I read somewhere that jailbroken PS3 that could get online got permanent ban by Sony, when they found out the PS3 was used for modding/hacking/playing illegal copy of games copied onto the HDD. They can do it, if the breach of EULA is severe enough to affect online communities and breaking the law.

My PS3 was jailbroken and I went online with it and my PS3 never got banned/bricked.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]