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Pater noster, qui es in caelis
Sanctificetur nomen tuum;
Adveniat regnum tuum.
Fiat voluntas tua
Sicut in caelo et in terra
Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie.
Et dimitte nobis debita nostra,
Sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris.
Et ne nos inducas in tentationem;
Sed libera nos a malo.
[Quoniam tibi est regnum et potestas et gloria in saecula.]
Amen.
 
You went and got me all hungry...


I agree with what you're saying, though. People used to eat tiger dandruff for energy, but, thanks to modern medicine, we now have Frosted Flakes readily available.

A lot of natural "medicines" are just things that are used in modern treatment but that are found in nature. Natural medicines are not as important to consume as they are to be understood for the purposes they were used in the first place. Don't hate on Aloe and friends.
 
You seem to quite mixed up as far as this one goes, while I would agree in regard to some of the examples you have given, such as the use of animal parts in 'traditional' medicine, you are quite wrong to state that chemically created products have replaced or made obsolete naturally derived medicine.

For starters a large number of medicines that, while now are manufactured, have origins in nature. Examples such as morphine (originates from opiates - with commercially farmed poppies in Turkey and India still) , aspirin (a tradition headache cure is chewing willow stalks - which contain the active ingredient that aspirin does) or Penicillin (do I really need to explain the origin of this one?).

In regard to your argument that nylon and polyester replaced cotton and wool, well as I stand here typing this, I am wearing cotton (jeans and a T-shirt) and a pair of leather shoes, so that ones just a bit wrong.

I could quite literally go on for hours, as your standpoint is no less biased (and flawed) than that of the slavish followers of a 'natural' only approach.

The truth is that nature has provided just as much benifit to mankind as it has done harm and all you have done here is present a gross simplification of the subject.


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Scaff
 
Hello everyone.

Many months ago, I posted a poll asking members whether they preferred natural or synthetic medicine. Almost 90% preferred synthetic medicine. Today, I will post my opinion on natural things and natural medicine in particular.

Society is currently obsessed with "natural" things. As man continues to manipulate more and more of his environment for his own gain, there will always be people who say "no". These are the people that buy organic food, promote alternative medicine, and oppose all genetic engineering. Some might call them luddites.

Natural medicine. This is a hot topic, a lot of people are effected by it because suddenly these products are popping up in their shops. Most examples of natural medicine are derived from exotic-sounding herbs and animal parts.

Fortunetly, most supporters of alternative medicine would quickly change their minds if they somehow contract a serious, life-threatening disease. Nevertheless, some people insist on using primitive forms of medicine and cite pseudoscientific claims such as...

"By placing the body in a restored, magnetic field, I theorize that overall body performance should be greatly enhanced."

"The plant balances the body's energy system and allows the user to eliminate most toxins from their body."

Of course, most "remedies" do not have a pseudoscientific claim to go with them. In fact, most examples of "alternative medicine" originate from remote Chinese and African pygmy tribes who had no understanding of modern science. Nevertheless, the thought processes used are very simple and primitive in contrast to proper scientific discoveries...

1. The elephant lives very long.
2. The elephant has blood.
3. Blood is the life force.
4. Therefore, I must consume the blood of the elephant.

1. The tiger has good eyesight.
2. The tiger has eyes.
3. The tiger uses its eyes to see things.
4. Therefore, I must consume the eyeballs of the tiger.

1. The flower is red.
2. Red is the "colour of the gods".
3. The flower must posses supernatural properties.
4. Therefore, I must consume the flower.

The above does not fit in with the scientific method at all.

The following images represent typical examples of alternative medicine. The last image shows a selection of dried snakes sold in a market in Taiwan...

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There are many good reasons for man to manipulate his environment for his own gain. However, friend luddite will not have this. He would rather go and pay a huge mark-up for organic food that has negligible benefit. Why is it that some people have such a problem with technology and man altering the environment?

What makes people think like this? What makes people favour things that are "natural" over things that are optimised for man?

One of the biggest reasons is that lately it's become cool to care about the environment and generally be against technology. A lot of people think caring about the environment means favouring it over mankind, and hence anything that seems to alter the environment for mankind is bad.

This fad also extends to the romanticism surrounding the so-called noble savage, the primitive man that lived in harmony with the environment and was in touch with the living world. Yeah, right. Primitive man did as much damage to the environment as his puny technology would allow. These people understood the bottom line, they lived in a world where the basic needs of live where not readily available. A world where they are can make us blind to the needs of mankind, this leads to people thinking that we can feed the population of the world without artificial pesticides and chemicals. We can't. They think these artificial products are just tools of capitalism used to make fat cats richer. They aren't. We need this stuff to feed people and keep them alive, don't forget that.

Most new technology will be opposed by some religion or other. There's no reasoning with these people, although you can reason with people who have objections based on logical moral philosophy.


Alternative medicine is just a myth and an ancient relic of our primitive past. Nylon and polyester replaced cotton and wool. Homes replaced caves. The ballpoint pen replaced the fountain pen. These were all the result of intensive scientific development. Without scientific progress, man is no different than the other animals which currently inhabit our world.

I think we should let go of nature and hitch our future ride into technology. It is evident that natural medicine is redundant and obsolete in today's modern world. How can we achieve our goal of a bright, shining future if society continues to insist that we should revert back to our primitive simian roots?


Plagerize much?
 
Hi everyone. I am against all forms of "alternative medicine" because most of them do not work and if something does work, then there is always a better modern equivalent. In fact, natural medicine that works is synthesized and becomes "unnatural" medicine, with generally less side effects. This leaves the natural medicine as being either ineffective, or less effective and potentially more dangerous than its synthesized counterpart.

For example, polyester and nylon have replaced cotton and wool. Polyester and nylon are purely synthetic polymers and are vastly superior to their "natural" counterparts. They are the result of extensive scientific progress and development. I don't see why the same should not apply to medicine.

Alternative medicine has its roots in Ancient China and India. Most proponents of alternative medicine cite unsupported claims such as...

"The body's source of life energy is in a constant state of flux and the positive and negative energy can be balanced by the use of these herbs. Our herbs contain mystical powers and are able to cure a wide range of diseases."

Proponents of "natural medicine" disregard the teachings of modern science and prefer to quote ancient religious texts. Under strict lab conditions, most examples of natural medicine fail miserably. Their "supposed benefits" can be attributed to the placebo effect. Natural medicine that works is synthesized and becomes "unnatural" medicine.

Society's obsession with "natural" things is unnessecary and dangerous. I am concerned about people who believe in alternative therapies such as crystal healing and magnetic therapy. These people should go to a real doctor and be treated with modern medicine.

And a question for anyone who disagrees with the above...

If you were ill, would you rather eat a raw tiger brain or swallow a pill?
 
Given the illness was of a specific organ, I would just cut and paste it outta there.
 
Personally, your presentations and arguments now have ZERO credibility with me, due entirely to your first post in this thread, and attempting to pass it off as your own writing.
 
Hi everyone. I am against all forms of "alternative medicine" because most of them do not work and if something does work, then there is always a better modern equivalent. In fact, natural medicine that works is synthesized and becomes "unnatural" medicine, with generally less side effects. This leaves the natural medicine as being either ineffective, or less effective and potentially more dangerous than its synthesized counterpart.
True is some cases (but certainly not all - the single largest source of commercial Morphine is still the opium poppy), and also misses a rather fundamental point. That without the natural product in the first place we would not have the modern version, how long would it have taken to discover the benefits of Aspirin if people had not been chewing on willow branches to help with pain? Something that would have setback the discovery of just how useful it is in other areas.




For example, polyester and nylon have replaced cotton and wool. Polyester and nylon are purely synthetic polymers and are vastly superior to their "natural" counterparts. They are the result of extensive scientific progress and development. I don't see why the same should not apply to medicine.
Sorry but again not true, polyester and nylon are not automatically vastly superior to 'natural' materials at all. I can certainly assure you I would rather wear cotton underwear rather than nylon ones, chaffing and sweating in that region just does not appeal.



Alternative medicine has its roots in Ancient China and India. Most proponents of alternative medicine cite unsupported claims such as...

"The body's source of life energy is in a constant state of flux and the positive and negative energy can be balanced by the use of these herbs. Our herbs contain mystical powers and are able to cure a wide range of diseases."
A blanket statement and quite an inacurate one at that, not all alternative medicine has its roots in China and India, and as an example a good number of modern 'diet' cures are both Western in origin and contain similar unsubstantiated claims.



Proponents of "natural medicine" disregard the teachings of modern science and prefer to quote ancient religious texts. Under strict lab conditions, most examples of natural medicine fail miserably. Their "supposed benefits" can be attributed to the placebo effect. Natural medicine that works is synthesized and becomes "unnatural" medicine.
Once again a blanket statement that doe snot always hold true, while some 'alternative' approaches are indeed bogus, some are not. Its also untrue to suggest that all proponents of alternative medicine are totally dismissive of modern science.



Society's obsession with "natural" things is unnessecary and dangerous. I am concerned about people who believe in alternative therapies such as crystal healing and magnetic therapy. These people should go to a real doctor and be treated with modern medicine.
While I would not argue in regard to such things as Crystal healing, you have used the absurd (such as these examples) to rubbish anything that is not 'modern', a rather pathetic attempt at an argument.


And a question for anyone who disagrees with the above...

If you were ill, would you rather eat a raw tiger brain or swallow a pill?
What!!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree with much of what you have said above, yet your question has nothing at all to do with that.

On a related note, we do not approve of plagiarism here at GTP, your first post in this thread is a perfect example of this, if you use sources (and no problem exists with doing that) then acknowledge those sources, do not try and pass they of as your own. In addition you have started a good number of rather poor threads so far today. Consider this a public warning (a formal one is on its way via PM) in regard to these matters.


Regards

Scaff
 

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