Why G25 is so much harder to drift compare to Controller.

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I can usually get 10,000 point in a drift trial easily with controller.

With controller, you can use the throttle to get to a state that you can actually control the drift, but with G25, no matter how smooth or fast I correct the throttle or steering wheel, it ends up spin out of control.

What did I do wrong? Can any expert with G25 give me some lights?

I'm not sure if the throttle timing was bad or my counter steering.

Please post only if you have G25 wheel so you know what I'm talking about.
 
I don't think it's so much about the G25 being hard as it's about the controller being overly easy. Real life drifting is hard just because of the things you mentioned and takes a lot of practice. The controller, however, doesn't give you direct control over the car - it's basically a heavily regulated drive by wire system, most importantly the steering angle is adjusted automatically to help the wheels follow the line exactly which makes it a lot easier to hold the drift. With the G25 you'll have to control every single input yourself, every degree of steering lock, every millimetre of throttle. But in the end it's by far the more rewarding experience.

In short, you're doing nothing specifically wrong, you just need more practice. I've been through it myself, being a skilled pad driver from GT through GT4 and converting to a DFP on the latter stages of GT4. With the pad I could do whatever I wanted to, I was good enough with it to have completed all the games with 100% completion and all gold licences. When I first got the wheel it was hopeless, nothing seemed to work anymore. It took closer to two months to really get the clue. The DFP has since been changed to the G25 and now I'm better with a wheel but it took a lot of practice. Don't lose your faith. 👍
 
I think the biggest reason why is because when you countersteer with a controller all you do is tap the d-pad for example, and you get lock to lock steering extremely quick. With a wheel, you have to really time your countersteer correctly (almost instantly after you faint), and also when to start steering back to get out of the drift. I couldn't really get used to it in 3 days which was how long I had a wheel to mess around with, but practice makes perfect, and when drifting with a wheel is done right, its satisfying watching the replays.
 
I practice some more and got a little better, still I can't seem to hold the drift at all with a RWD car. Any attempt to hold the drift by giving some more gas will usually turn into a 360.

However, I tried some AWD cars, and wow, what a difference! It does exactly what I would expect when I tried giving some more gas to hold the drift. So, basically, I'm now able to drift with a AWD car and hold the drift for the length of the corner.

I started to think if the physic engine for RWD car with a wheel is flaw....

Can someone show me a video of SpecII version GT5P with G25 and RWD car drifting? I want to believe it is possible.
 
I read your post from the other thread, I still don't understand how do you hold the drift. Say while you're drifting and everything is fine, but you car is slowing down and you know you 'll stop drifting, I gave it just a little more gas, it goes into a 360. If I don't give it gas, it stops drifting..

I'm talking about RWD car as AWD car for some reason allow me to hold the drift when I gave it more gas.
 
MotorChan
I read your post from the other thread, I still don't understand how do you hold the drift. Say while you're drifting and everything is fine, but you car is slowing down and you know you 'll stop drifting, I gave it just a little more gas, it goes into a 360. If I don't give it gas, it stops drifting..
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Try modulating the throttle some and countersteer accordingly. Give some 'gas' and as it steps out further countersteer it and let off so it increases speed but doesnt slip too far, don't forget to reduce countersteer as the rear comes back a bit. As the rear starts to come back you can get back on the trottle some more to keep the angle up, just don't go too far.
 
It's certainly possible. Check out my replay on Suzuka East and Eiger for Drift Trial. I think i'm Top 10. (PSN: BrYAnT_JnR) I use a DFP, but it's close enough to a G25. Just takes lots of practice.
 
MotorChan
I can usually get 10,000 point in a drift trial easily with controller.

With controller, you can use the throttle to get to a state that you can actually control the drift, but with G25, no matter how smooth or fast I correct the throttle or steering wheel, it ends up spin out of control.

What did I do wrong? Can any expert with G25 give me some lights?

I'm not sure if the throttle timing was bad or my counter steering.

Please post only if you have G25 wheel so you know what I'm talking about.
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The tips are out there, but it really boils down to Hand-eye coordination, practice, practice, and practice.

I think Drifting with the wheel is a hard-earned knowledge that one should value discovering on their own. Find out what you can, but you will get better by practicing.

Allen Iverson said alot of it in a press conference...."Practice....this is Practice, Practice, it's just Practice!" :)

It will be satisfying and rewarding when you figure it out.
When more people are aware of how difficult something is, then there is an appreciation for that sport. Good luck learning.
 
I finally was drifting with my g25, i must of had a 2 hour session and it felt great in my rx-7, since the update came out i was 1st on east suzuka drifting circuit, only with 6500 points or something:)
 
i used to have a hard time with it aswell,the thing you have to figure out is how to control a drift,you control the rear with the throttle and the front with the steering wheel(well thats obvious).so for every inch the rear goes out you need to emediately countersteer.what worked for me was not concentrating on the wheel so much,as to just seeing where to steer to.the thing is,you have to try to steer the wheel in the dirrection you want to go(make a mental picture of the front wheels),and then controlling the angle with the throttle. practice,practice,it will pay off.
 
I love being able to feel the grip on the front tires with the wheel and moderating the throttle to keep sliding. G25 drifting is intense.
 
You need to be able to pre-predict what the car will do also. Knowing when the car is about the grip and quickly switch lock so that the car doesnt snap back. Know that when you apply more throttle the car will need more input, and do this as you apply the throttle not once its started to slide. Also applying more throttle doesnt mean boot it, just slightly and "feather" the throttle if need be. Its not easy and not having purchased the game yet im happy to hear that in the game its the same
 
Drifting with the controller trains you to associate small physical inputs with large changes in the actual car's steering. 90% of the people I see failing to drift well with the 25 are being too gentle with the wheel and making inputs that grossly underestimate how much deflection they need to use. It's not that they don't understand how to drive, it's that they're used to getting full lock out of a centimeter of movement. Once they get pissed off and start really tearing into the wheel, they spin out and crash. Eventually they learn how to agressively start a drift and acclimate to the range of motion they need to use to control the car once it's fully involved in the drift. This progression happened to me and other people who drive with my wheel, it seems like the universal learning curve.

The second skill people have difficulty with is throttle control. Once I've entered the drift, I'm blipping on and off almost continuously, with smaller modulation in between. A lot of the really good people are very smooth and linear with the throttle but for the rest of us you can induce a very competent drift and maintain it while looking like an epileptic moron.

For an added bonus the wheel is on a crappy little table that isn't weighed down, so it wobbles and goes all over the place when I'm driving hard. I'd get a better one, but I figure it realistically approximates American build quality so I get that extra bit of realism when I'm in the Corvette or the Viper. Now if only my house would catch fire every few months.
 
For an added bonus the wheel is on a crappy little table that isn't weighed down, so it wobbles and goes all over the place when I'm driving hard. I'd get a better one, but I figure it realistically approximates American build quality so I get that extra bit of realism when I'm in the Corvette or the Viper. Now if only my house would catch fire every few months.
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hahaha that was actually quite funny 👍
 
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I'm using the DFP Pro and I'm having loads of difficulty myself.
Getting into a drift a fine, holding O.K., but getting out, supposedly the easy part, I just can't do it.

The car/wheel will snap and go completely the other, I was in a Z06 and it felt like a WRX.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GAE7K_K_vio&feature=related

It looks a tad like the Blitz Silvia in that video.
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Getting back into a straight line is all about throttle control, You want to slowly increase your rear tire grip by reducing your wheelspin/throttle, and if done properly your car is slide back straight without any snapback or sudden movements.
 
Thanks, I actually got into an E92 M3 and it was much easier to control. The DFP Pro seems very hard to drift due to the impossibility to go lock to lock quickly.
 
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Thanks, I actually got into an E92 M3 and it was much easier to control. The DFP Pro seems very hard to drift due to the impossibility to go lock to lock quickly.
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I've found that it's sensing the moment when you need to unwind the lock that takes the practice.

A friend of mine came to have a go on the G25 / GT5: P and that was where he struggled too.

I honestly couldn't say what the hint is that somehow informs you as the driver that it's time to straighten the front wheels back out, but I find that that's the key to getting out of a drift smoothly without it snapping back the other way.

I've also found that the G25 countersteers naturally a lot better than the DFP, as it seems quicker to turn, as in, if you let go of the wheel, it will spin quickly enough to correct the oversteer.

This can be entertaining as you can comfortably end a drift by letting go of the wheel, letting it 'catch' the drift and then straightening the wheels out again :)
 
Right, that's exactly what I mean, the DFP won't naturally set itself back into position. Which can be frustrating since the wheel is so small and my hands are relatively big, it's hard to be precise.
 

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