Why I hate large 4wds

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From http://www.drive.com.au/news/articl...-new/news/general/2002/03/18/FFXK9ER5XYC.html

4WDs deadly for other road users
By Tim Colebatch, Canberra
The Age
Monday March 18 2002

Collisions involving four-wheel-drive vehicles are nine times more likely to kill other road users than to kill the driver of the 4WD, a report for the Federal Government has found.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau reports that the number of fatal crashes involving 4WDs jumped 85 percent between 1990 and 1998, even though in that time the total number of fatal crashes on the roads fell by 25 percent.

By 1998, 12 percent of all fatal crashes on Australia's roads involved a 4WD, compared with 5 percent just eight years earlier. They caused 212 deaths, or one in every eight road fatalities.

The report, Four Wheel Drive Crashes, along with an earlier bureau report on the danger of bull bars in collisions, raises concerns that the trend to buy tax-favoured 4WDs equipped with bull bars may be increasing Australia's road toll.

The earlier report, Bull Bars and Road Trauma, found there was no clear evidence that bull bars reduced the injuries to occupants of the vehicles that fitted them, but strong evidence that they increased the risks to anyone the vehicle hit.

The new report, based on 1998 data, found that 4WDs were 20 percent more likely than other passenger cars to be involved in fatal collisions. But more importantly, the victims were overwhelmingly people travelling in the vehicles they hit.

Of the 134 people killed in collisions involving 4WDs, only 21 were travelling in the 4WD itself, and only 13 were 4WD drivers. The main risk to 4WD drivers and passengers was of the 4WD rolling over, usually not in a collision, but from the driver drifting off the road.

Sales of 4WD vehicles have soared in recent years – thanks, in part, to the 5 percent tariff on them, compared with 15 percent on other cars.

Senator Ron Boswell, parliamentary secretary to Transport Minister John Anderson, called the figures for 4WD crashes "quite staggering".
 
yeah vatman heard that on the radio todayand have to agree with how many people actually use there 4wd for off road use. when you take into the account the running cost of a 4wd against a car they are a lot dearer to run people would be better off hireing one for that one or two weekends they really needed.
and you dont need a 4wd to pull a big caravan either they only have low down touque and dont have the power up at high speeds like a large car with a V8 has
 
i have to say that i hate offroad 4WDs, especially when you see a mum driving a big landrover just to take the kids to school. it would be more economical to buy a proper family car, faster and easier to drive.
well thats my opinion anyway.
 
Wiggle woggle wiggle woggle... <---- that's all you're gonna get out of me concerning 4WD's.
 
SUV's are absolutely horrible. While I can see pro's and con's for them, I think they really aren't very useful. Case in point, I go to University in the US in a place that doesn't get snow very often. However, when it does, every Sorority girl with an SUV thinks she's safe because she has an 18" ground clearence. This is definitly not the case. Most of these girls have two wheel drive explorers or cherokees, and the just end up losing control of the rear end and putting it in a ditch, if not into someone else.

Also, the stupid things are absolute gas hogs. If I had my way every one of the stupd things would be sent to the scrap heap for recycling. If you want to drive off-road, get your self a nice little Subaru rally car. Anyways, just my two cents.

Nexus Maelstrom
 
One thing I would like to know is why do people buy SUV's but never and I mean NEVER take those things offroad or anything like that? I think its just plain stupid seeing people driving around in Escalades or Excursions through downtown and stuff like that.
 
what is worse is people driving around in slammed to the ground SUVs... what the friggin hell? stupid pimps!


and one last thing... i was reading Car and Driver (this month's, with the ugly ass Solstice on it) and one tester said the Range Rover was one of the best off road vehicle this side of an army truck... problems is, would you go off-roading in a 70 000$ truck?


here's a good example of what not to do with a SUV...
 
Originally posted by viper_maniac
One thing I would like to know is why do people buy SUV's but never and I mean NEVER take those things offroad or anything like that? I think its just plain stupid seeing people driving around in Escalades or Excursions through downtown and stuff like that.

Oh, I know. I live in the inner west suburbs of Sydney, about 3km (in a straight line - there's a bit of water involved) from the centre of the city, and the suburb next out, Rozelle, has the second highest rate of 4wd ownership in the state.

And before people think of Australia of this great undeveloped wilderness, we're talking a city of 4 million people here.
 
Yea, I'm offten annoyed by a soccer mom in rush hour who made me miss three lights because she can't navigate a truck that big.
However, I also get annoyed by the 75y/o man in a dodge viper who refuses to turn left like he's been signaling for the last 6 exits, and is driving 10mph under the speed limit.

I know the mom will never go off road, and the old man will never get out of third gear, or turn off that dam turn signal, but I do'nt hold it against the vehicle.
 
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