Haha, I needed a good laugh.
Why top GTA times show no finesse at all?
- Thread starter luizsaluti
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Haha, I needed a good laugh.
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- machschnel
So how many GTA winners go on to drive for teams that are not affiliated with GTA?
With such immense driving talent coming through the Academy each year, I imagine a lot of other teams would be more than willing to pay a previous GTA winner to drive for them based on skill alone.
With such immense driving talent coming through the Academy each year, I imagine a lot of other teams would be more than willing to pay a previous GTA winner to drive for them based on skill alone.
HKS racer
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"You won the Academy? Cool story bro. Now achieve some good results in real racing, and most important find a sponsor that give me money to sign you." This is what real teams owners thinks.
GTA drivers are pushed by Nissan, they are skilled of course, but they raced Le Mans because of Nissan. It's not like other racing teams are looking forward to sack their professional drivers for GTA drivers. In real life Motorsport you need booth skills and sponsors. When GTA drivers prove their real skills then real teams starts being interested.
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- Lewis_Hamilton_
If GTA winners/finalists had financial backing, they would probably have been in motorsport already. It's expensive to get set up and teams want someone who can bring sponsership with them.
Look at F1's history and how many underskilled drivers paid their way into the sport.
Look at F1's history and how many underskilled drivers paid their way into the sport.
HKS racer
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The same thing applies to several professional drivers not driving the series they might deserve. Is Massa really much better than Kobayashi? I don't think so.
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You have to be either pretty rich, pretty well-connected or pretty damn talented (or some two out of three) to get into a good racing team. GTA proves that if you look for skilled drivers through non-conventional means, you can have drivers who are better that the rich, at least as good as the connected and who might match or exceed the talented, given the chance.
They're still at a disadvantage to the likes of a Hamilton or Vettel, who started at a very young age, but these guys are no pushovers.
You could try raising the point in the thread where we are already discussing it.
They're still at a disadvantage to the likes of a Hamilton or Vettel, who started at a very young age, but these guys are no pushovers.
You could try raising the point in the thread where we are already discussing it.
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- Obsidian-2
The same guys are fast regardless of the physics model. There is no luck amongst the top 10 drivers, only skill.
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- liampage123
Why would anyone be questioning there skill anyway, and saying " oh, it's all luck." 101% skill.
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- mistersafeway
Why leave a good job?
The other finalists, though: https://www.gtplanet.net/gt-academy-finalists-unsung-successes/
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And if the question comes up of finalists who didn't segue into racing, again, we refer to the same argument: "Why leave a good job?"
Professional racing is a dream for many, but it's tough, tiring work, and you're not getting rich unless you're in the top echelons of the sport.
Professional racing is a dream for many, but it's tough, tiring work, and you're not getting rich unless you're in the top echelons of the sport.
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- Johnnypenso
Brilliant!! It proves that being fast in the game can translate into being fast in real life. You gotta give Kaz and PD a lot of credit for that!!👍👍
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- Neomone
Not really. It could just as well be the other way around. These are guys that would be fast on a donkey. It could as well be that because they're so naturally talented, they can't help but be quick in GT.
Not that they don't put a lot of hard work in too, but there's certainly an aspect of natural talent there.
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- machschnel
It proves that people who go through Academy training and get provided with quality gear do OK in motorsports. Don't really see the part where Gran Turismo is responsible.
If you took a random sample of 100 people, similar age to GTA finalists, trained them at Skip Barber, put them in a car of similar quality with similar backing, what percentage of them do you think would "succeed" to the level GTA participants have?
Motorsports is expensive. Skill comes second to coin. If you pay the bills, you race. Even F1 is not immune. Timo Glock (among others) lost his seat at Marussia due to finances rather than skill. Financial backing is what allows GTA drivers to not only race, but also be competitive, with skills they learnt at the Academy and on Gran Tursimo a somewhat distant second.
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- mistersafeway
The part I bolded doesn't really make sense; money may get you into motorsport, but it doesn't make you competitive and it gets you on the lowest rung. Nobody has bought their way into a top team because they have their finances sorted out, and the Marussias of the world don't win.
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- Neomone
For someone to be top of the timetables on GTA, you're talking probably at least a hundred hours, likely multiple hundreds.
Still doesn't really prove whether GT caused them to be fast, or whether they were fast and therefore they were in a position to get a good result.
I'm pretty sure you could stick me in front of the demo for thousands of hours, and I still wouldn't win. It's not a purely time spent makes you go faster thing.
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mistersafeway
Even some low F1 teams only give drives to those that bring in money and race for free.
How many potential Ayrton Sennas are out there but do not have the money, quite a few i suspect.
Name one current F1 driver whos family weren't rich in the first place and could effectively buy their way through.
Even Senna, from Brazil, surprise surprise in a very poor country his family were extremely well off.
Coincidence?
Of course they still have to have skill i'm just making a point that they aren't as unique and rare as some would have you belive.
Its just that the poor or even "normal" people don't get a chance to show what they can do!
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- Johnnypenso
GT is responsible for the filtering process that got them there in the first place. The financial backing argument is irrelevant, everyone who is in that race has financial backing, that's how they got there to begin with. So you have a grid of people all with enough money to compete and what happens. Guys who started their careers based on their skills at a videogame are doing very, very well. Race wins, series wins, podiums, pole positions etc.
Another reason the financial backing argument is irrelevant is that it only gets you into the game, it doesn't get you to the podium. It gets you on the grid and nothing more. After that it's talent, maximizing the potential of your ride given the myriad of conditions you will face on race day. Yes Nissan is a good team, but there are many others on the grid just as good, with drivers with a lot more seat time and frankly the GT Academy guys quite often kick their butts.
GT Academy didn't make them good race drivers, their innate skill, combined with training, dedication, hardwork does. What GT Academy proves is that it can identify who has the raw skill necessary to succeed in motorsport. That cannot be logically be denied.
He gets on the throttle so much earlier than me. I've got to figure out how to do that!!
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Schumacher. Jordan. Which immediately became Schumacher/Benetton.
Granted machschnel is still wrong, because all the money in the world won't get you that far without talent; and regardless of the inherent publicity stunt-ness of GT Academy it's not throwing out a bunch of Ides into the world.
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- TAM-Spencer
If you dont like the physics go complain about the physics on a relevant thread,
but .... to complain about the physics and attack the top driver times on GTa all in one smacks of being a bad sportsman to me.
Ive been strugling to make the 17's , the fastest guys are in the mid 16's now, not because of any other reason other than they are faster than me.
but .... to complain about the physics and attack the top driver times on GTa all in one smacks of being a bad sportsman to me.
Ive been strugling to make the 17's , the fastest guys are in the mid 16's now, not because of any other reason other than they are faster than me.
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- Neomone
Yep.
Now prove that it's in some way noteworthy. I mean, if GT does something that any sim from the past 15 years can do, that's hardly something to make a fuss about, is it? Reminds me of when Top Gear was making fun of cars for putting that they had wind up windows on their brochures.
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- mistersafeway
I know, Marussia are an F1 team. They're at the bottom of their sport, as I pointed out.
My point was that nobody could buy their way into a top team. Red Bull's second seat opens at the end of the year. How much would it cost to buy it? Well, Constructor's Championship disappears, sponsorship dwindles, so a Hell of a lot.
I agree, but it doesn't logically follow that GT Academy is pointless or unfair.
Lewis Hamilton (father had three jobs to support his dream), Sebastian Vettel (carpenter's son), Fernando Alonso (both parents worked, father in a factory, mother in a department store)... I would keep going, but you only wanted one.
Far from it, but he came to England and supported himself while karting, he built himself up and proved he had what it took. He didn't buy a seat, he just had more opportunities to improve as a child.
It's actually changing a lot now, as I mentioned above. Back in the early days of motorsport it pretty much was all about who could give the team more money, now that is only true of smaller teams
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I see what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree with it. Sure, a natural knack for something can go a long way....but like anyone at the top of their trade; the hard work is what got them there.
You make it seem like they're some sort of superhuman which is simply not true. A little example I could give is my time spent in the music scene.
I could always tell the goods from they greats, all based on HOW they practiced. You'll have one guy who will be coming up with different licks every night...and then you'll have the guy who comes in with a better sounding groove every time. Subtle nuances that went unnoticed in the previous gig are now highlighted at the next...all within the same groove.
Granted that was a small example, but I feel confident in saying how* you practice makes all the difference. How deep you want to dive into all those aspects is up to you. Not saying I'll ever be at the top but hey, I'd rather put my effort into reality rather than "Mystique".
My two cents.
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GT can help you learn to be faster. If you don't have the innate ability, you will simply be fast. If you already have the innate ability, you will be faster. The whole point of the GT Academy is not that GT trains you to become an excellent driver (though any simulation time does help), but that GT is a useful tool for finding them.
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I recall a story from one of my friends (former Editor at our former site)... an LMP2 driver came over to a media event where some of the guys had set up a Kart simulator for fun. Some of these guys are experienced sim racers (and on-track racers, too), others had had lots of practice time. The driver sat down and matched them in a few laps. After a few more, he was faster. After quite a few more, he was seconds faster than everyone else... over a single lap
If you're good, you're good. In real life or virtual. GTA is a useful tool for finding people like that, and the on-track portion sorts them out from those who are simply good because they've memorized the lap completely.
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- Neomone
Oh, I agree. The hard work is part of it. Some people don't necessarily have the skill out of the box, but they learn well and quickly, or whatever. A pro driver will probably learn more in half a dozen laps on a new track than I'll learn in a week.
I guess the point is that deep down, somewhere, these people have some skill that makes them more suited to being race drivers than other people. I don't want it to sound like there are people who are naturally great from the word go, because it's not true.
I think I agree with basically everything you're saying, I just worded my previous post badly.
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- luiz_saluti
I am not complaining about the top drivers being fast.
The point is, Would it be possible to be as fast IRL using the technique top GT Academy players are using?
If not, PD should check what is causing the non-realistic behavior of the simulation.
If yes, case closed.
I am pretty sure, the top GTA players were to be top players given any simulation behavior.
GTA is a competition, but I am not worried that much about it right now. What worries me is that it will become the game I am going to spend money on, and keep me playing for years.
I want it to be as close to reality as possible and as punishing as reality is.
GTA top hotlappers will still be GTA top hotlappers regardless of simulation model.
PD is about to release a software product, and there won't be a time in history where its resources will be allocated at GT6 as it is now. It is much easier to correct stuff now, before the final build, than afterwards.
The point is, Would it be possible to be as fast IRL using the technique top GT Academy players are using?
If not, PD should check what is causing the non-realistic behavior of the simulation.
If yes, case closed.
I am pretty sure, the top GTA players were to be top players given any simulation behavior.
GTA is a competition, but I am not worried that much about it right now. What worries me is that it will become the game I am going to spend money on, and keep me playing for years.
I want it to be as close to reality as possible and as punishing as reality is.
GTA top hotlappers will still be GTA top hotlappers regardless of simulation model.
PD is about to release a software product, and there won't be a time in history where its resources will be allocated at GT6 as it is now. It is much easier to correct stuff now, before the final build, than afterwards.
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No simulation is truly perfect.
Congratulations! Cookie?Seriously, props. How'd you do when you got to the track portion?
Common sense is definitely part of proper technique. But anyone who gets that far should already have a fairly good idea of how to drive properly in real life.
"Should" being the operative word.
Depends on the kind of cookie your offering. And i did not make it past the first cut of 32. I had only played GT for the few weeks it took to qualify. Don't think i'll even bother this year to be honest. Especially seeing as how Bryan Hiekotters name hasn't even been mentioned once by anyone. Also You don't get payed if you win. You basically get a seat in a race car. Granted its payed for, but that doesn't pay the bills.
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