Why you never ride 11/10ths on public roads

[wfooshee]

Don't ride past your sight line, ALWAYS have an escape mapped out, and make NO assumptions about anyone else's behaviors or actions.

The real point is at 2:50, but the pass at 1:03 is pretty dumb, and the guy at 1:30 that pulls into the opposing lane and then stays there for a while, just a couple seconds before a whizzer from the other direction . . . Geez!



I place most of the blame on the rider. Sure, the van driver turned left in front of traffic, but the traffic was way off in the distance, so from his point of view the road was clear when he started his left turn.

Get all your buddies together, find the busiest road you can, and congregate at the busiest roadside stop on the whole thing, and then use the road as your private race track. Formula for success!!!

 

[Flerbizky]

.oO(Dumbass)

 

[Neal]

Idiots, the people in the van could have been killed if the bike had hit them at that speed. We have a bad enough public image as it is without morons like that behaving like that!

 

[TrievelA7X]

Looks like the van saw them and decided to keep rolling anyway, unless there's a hidden reason to crawl at 1mph towards the bike I'm unaware of.

Not that the bike wasn't riding like an ass, just looks like another "I'll teach this punk a lesson" driver in the van.

 

[lpb-nissan-gt-r]

I think he panicked and had no where to go.

 

[Omnis]

Looks like the van saw them and decided to keep rolling anyway, unless there's a hidden reason to crawl at 1mph towards the bike I'm unaware of.

Not that the bike wasn't riding like an ass, just looks like another "I'll teach this punk a lesson" driver in the van.

Are you really 26? No, I'm sure the van driver wasn't thinking that he ought to kill a speeding cyclist.

 

[Kakumaki]

Are you really 26? No, I'm sure the van driver wasn't thinking that he ought to kill a speeding cyclist.

I agree.

Never ride 11/10? I think never ride 8-9/10 in public road, especially if the road is very busy like the one in the video.
About the crash I think that yes, the bike have priority but you can't pass so fast near a car/van with indicator on... everyone know that people can start suddenly and with a bike you are alway disadvantaged, so must be very careful with bikes.

 

[TrievelA7X]

Are you really 26? No, I'm sure the van driver wasn't thinking that he ought to kill a speeding cyclist.

Nobody said that. There's quite a difference between trying to kill someone and trying to scare them into slowing down. (And just being a dick) I see truckers do it all the time on the highway to speeding cars. "Look, this cars coming up fast, I'll switch and pass this other truck I've been following for 8 miles going .3 mph faster than him at this coincidental moment" (wink wink) I see it happen at least 3 days a week going to work, it's quite easy to spot when you follow trucks for 60 miles down the interstate daily, especially at night when headlights make upcoming traffic oh so obvious.
The difference is whether or not it causes an accident.

I am honored that you took the time to investigate myself and my age. Thank you.

 

[TrievelA7X]

Nobody said that. There's quite a difference between trying to kill someone and trying to scare them into slowing down. (And just being a dick) I see truckers do it all the time on the highway to speeding cars. "Look, this cars coming up fast, I'll switch and pass this other truck I've been following for 8 miles going .3 mph faster than him at this coincidental moment" (wink wink) I see it happen at least 3 days a week going to work, it's quite easy to spot when you follow trucks for 60 miles down the interstate daily, especially at night when headlights make upcoming traffic oh so obvious.
The difference is whether or not it causes an accident.

I am honored that you took the time to investigate myself and my age. Thank you.

I agree.

Never ride 11/10? I think never ride 8-9/10 in public road, especially if the road is very busy like the one in the video.
About the crash I think that yes, the bike have priority but you can't pass so fast near a car/van with indicator on... everyone know that people can start suddenly and with a bike you are alway disadvantaged, so must be very careful with bikes.

Legally you shouldn't be riding more than about 2/10ths.
But I have to say, that's not exactly a "busy road". Busy with bikes riding fast, yes, cars? I saw 3 or 4 in about 4 minutes... Busy if they're on the north pole I guess.

It was stupid riding, but the crash was caused by the van. Whether the driver of the van can't judge speed, or whatever their cause may have been, there was oncoming traffic, and having seen the road to the left (where bike came from) it was definitely in view, and any decent driver can tell tell the difference between 45mph and 100. If you can't, should you actually be driving?

 

[wfooshee]

The van was in the wrong place, but he got there through a reasonable expectation of clearance.

Look at the video again: the road to the left of the cameraman bends left just a hundred yards or so away. That bike was not in the van driver's view when he started his turn. It appeared, and the driver didn't know what to do. He might have been able to gun it and get across, but then who would he have mowed down in the rest stop by entering too quickly?

At about :55 in the video the camera turns toward that direction, just as a bike approaches. We see that bike for less than 2 seconds before he's past. It takes longer than 2 seconds to turn across that lane.

It's the rider's bad, 120%.

 

[FishforRent]

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[wfooshee]

Without a doubt the coolest.

Um, no. Just a stupid stunter doing a stupid thing, and nothing to do with the thread topic. Ancient GIF besides.

 

[FishforRent]

I disagree (respectfully). Thread topic is why you never push the limit on a public road. Whether your attempting (liberty taken with that word) a stoppie behind a truck, or buzzing a busy cafe where multiple vehicles may be entering or leaving, neither has a place on a public road. I've ridden with both types of guys who thought it was a great idea.

I prefer to call them 'cop-magnets'. Fortunately, none of them are statistics, but I have witnessed many a close call. I apologize for the 'ancient gif'. The thread is serious, I agree. But blame is not the first thing you think of when you're calling an ambulance for your buddy. (I've had to do that before as well.)

I'll remove the gif, I wasn't trying to hijack your thread.

 

[Dragonistic]

Check out this dude who is also a cop-magnet it would appear.


Watch it all the way to the end, trust me.

 

[Danisfast]

Think about how fast that biker was going. Now, take into account the fact that (from the direction the rider was coming) there was a corner past which the van driver could not see. Combining those two factors, I would be inclined to give sympathy to the van driver.

 

[Keef]

The rider shouldn't have been going that fast and the van shouldn't have turned left. If either one of those things were different this wouldn't have happened. The catch is, the biker was in his lane when the mishap occurred, and the van wasn't. In this case I believe both of them would get cited for reckless operation.

 

[Stotty]

If you ride like that on the public roads you need to accept that you're taking a huge risk, and if it goes wrong you're likley to lose you life.

 

[old mate]

you can die too easy on a bike though. especially on the road. screw riding on the road, start racing instead. i have.

a friend of mine just told me about his weekend on the road. not a good one.

he was riding home and came across a motorbike accident. he stopped just to check it out as it didnt look like much. when he got to the rider there was blood pouring out of his neck and guys there trying to stop the bleeding. ambulance had already been called but the rider died before it arrived.

he ran off the road (unsure why, maybe a stress out and grab the brakes moment) and had his neck ripped apart by a wire fence. guy was only 20.

your neck is really the only unprotected part when you wear all the gear, but this guy wasnt even riding hard.

makes you think,

 

[Hun200kmh]

Using the bike everyday for some 25 of the 47 years of my life, I do have my fair share of "moments", some of them because I was doing 7 to 8/10ths. So, I'm not casting stones. Anyway, the litle video that made a lasting impression on me about NOT going on the limit in public roads is this one.

[YOUTUBEHD]khnMiJPInio[/YOUTUBEHD]

PS - I'm taking my old FJ 1200 (1987) to a track day at the Estoril Circuit this sunday. Bad brakes, bad suspension, structure needing reinforcing, I'll just cruise around, not going to crash her there But if I get decent footage I'll share.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Trying to figure out where to place the camera. Fairing too loose, but can't really think of a different place. Here a test I did this morning on my way to work. Suggestions appreciated:

[YOUTUBEHD]JarjU_nYojk[/YOUTUBEHD]

EDIT - The two pictures shown at the start show where (and how) the camera was attached to the bike.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Check out this dude who is also a cop-magnet it would appear.


Watch it all the way to the end, trust me.

I hope he has a crash.

Motorcyclists dont need people like him giving us bad names, absolutely disgusting.

 

[Hun200kmh]

He's just an idiot, no need to wish him to crash (and he DID crash the bike ). He should have his license revoked and that's it.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Guess what ... I don't go 10/10ths even in track days

One lap around the "Autódromo do Estoril" with an oldie FJ 1200, at an event called 'Estoril Experience Day', entered by this bike as a worthy celebration of its 25th birthday.

This bike, for more than 20 years, has done (almost) it all. She did, to perfection, the "globetrotter" role, carrying me, and my wife, through long journeys throughout Portuguese and European roads and highways, she was my companion in my annual Jerez trip (to the GP), being back in the day jokingly referred as the group's 'bomber' (I suppose it was by it's size, wheight, and relentlessness in pace), she was also - for many years - my daily "scooter", travelling with surprising ease between traffic in the home-work-home travel routines. For all "she" had made, though, she never had (was given) the chance to show her imposing big self at a track day, even if she isn't (and never was) a bike suited for such 'adventures'. So now, being 25, with her 'almost double the age" owner, she just rolled in a "slowish" way, but a track day it was and so it's been added to her curriculum. Happy Birthday!

 

[braunracing88]

If you need further convincing of how some drivers just don't give a damn about motorcycle riders or their rights to be on the road, look no further than this.
Pickup driver tries to kill motorcyclist