Will they ever get the BoP right???

[thevo]

I mean seriously. So far every BoP adjustment they do, another car stands out as the clear fastest. This is mostly prevalent with the gr4 cars with the Megane being a straight line god at the moment. I hate fwd cars but there is just no other way to be competitive for 1st right now so I have to drive it. I would like to see the top 10 times with a few different cars. Not this crap.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I mean seriously. So far every BoP adjustment they do, another car stands out as the clear fastest. This is mostly prevalent with the gr4 cars with the Megane being a straight line god at the moment. I hate fwd cars but there is just no other way to be competitive for 1st right now so I have to drive it. I would like to see the top 10 times with a few different cars. Not this crap.

BoP is not on a track by track basis, it's on an overall basis, so even when it's perfectly balanced overall, some cars should still have an advantage on some tracks and will still dominate the leaderboards, although the other cars should be more competitive.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Will they ever get BoP right?
It's a very good question.
But please don't think it's an easy solution and PD are inept to find an answer.

If all cars "performed" the same, forums everywhere would be flooded with exactly that complaint.
FF, FR, MR, and 4WD's each obviously have their own characteristics.
Some drivetrains will suit certain drivers styles, and also some tracks, when compared to other drivetrains.

I think there is a good discussion to be had about how PD adjust the BoP.
To my mind they have been going about it the right way.

But do you BoP for the average gamer, or do you BoP on raw data?
My way of thinking is you get a group of cars, put a good driver in them all, and adjust accordingly.
Some seem more inclined (my interpretation) to have average Joe from down the street to drive each car and determine the BoP that way.

I can see the argument both ways, but to me the fastest car is the fastest car, and it should be BOP'd accordingly.
Regardless if average Joe can drive every car it to its full potential.

Saying that, there is no question the FF cars after 1.06 have benefited the most, and clearly need a BoP adjustment.
In particular the Megane.

 

[toddstar77]

it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when there is one stand out car, everyone just follows so you get more and more of that car, GT-R was the first, now we have the Megane.

BOP just needs to work for overall competitiveness but as others have said, some cars have strengths and weaknesses, these should be allowed to play out - but a Megane out running a Viper on a straight is wrong BOP.

 

[uMayBeSeated]

It’s mostly do to the track selection... if they did BoP at Willow Springs or Miyabi, any course with lower top end and more turning. I can almost guarantee that the FWD cars would be awful in comparison. I think they balance them pretty well in the grand scheme of things. They just continually select tracks for the daily races that favor the FWD cars. The Straights on Maggiore and Dragon are so long that it kills other cars chances. If they were to make the FWD a little slower straight line, they would be dead last on smaller courses, leaving people complaining that they are worthless all around.

The only possible fix I can think of would be track based BoP settings instead of a generic class BoP setting.

 

[ScottPuss20]

The only possible fix I can think of would be track based BoP settings instead of a generic class BoP setting.

Could you imagine how hard that would be to implement? If they're struggling as it is to keep the racing interesting?

 

[uMayBeSeated]

Could you imagine how hard that would be to implement? If they're struggling as it is to keep the racing interesting?

By no means do I wish for the impliment. I could care less right now. I was just telling the gentleman that created the forum why they seem so unbalanced right now. Purely track selection favoring the FWD vehicles at the moment. I believe the 4C dominates Miyabi... Willow Springs would be a toss up but definitely not a FWD car.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

By no means do I wish for the impliment. I could care less right now. I was just telling the gentleman that created the forum why they seem so unbalanced right now. Purely track selection favoring the FWD vehicles at the moment. I believe the 4C dominates Miyabi... Willow Springs would be a toss up but definitely not a FWD car.

I tend to agree.
The 4C has always been very prominent on the leaderboards, and is probably worth reviewing.
The car had an issue in the fact that many people simply couldn't keep it on the track.
But that's not to say it isn't a quick car in the right hands, because it clearly is.

No question all FF's need a look at, particularly the Megane with its top speed advantage.

The R8 was always the correct car to be BOP'd down in Gr.3.
I suspect it will get more of the same treatment next update.

The Beetle, regardless of the complaints here, was never in need of being BOP'd down (an unpopular opinion I know, but factual nonetheless)
There was simply no evidence the car was any quicker than any other car.
And neither popularity, nor results, in DR D events (for example) changes that fact.

Ignore looking track to track.
In my opinion that simply won't happen.
It will be an average of the top 10 car qualifying results across all daily Sport Mode races that determines which cars are reduced and which cars performance are increased for the next update.

 

[pedrocor]

It's not just the track selection being favorable to FWD.
The Audi TT is good example of a FWD, as its strengths and its weakness, but all around is well balanced with RWD and 4WD cars.

That's not the case of the Megane or the Scirocco, specially the Megane.

 

[Georgeagea]

I gave your question a big thought and really want to answer.
But before doing so, I need to know what is "BoP"?

 

[Tassie_tiger]

I gave your question a big thought and really want to answer.
But before doing so, I need to know what is "BoP"?

BoP stands for Balance of Performance.

When trying to achieve that with 30 cars or more, with varying drivetrains such as FF, FR, MR, and 4WD, it's a difficult task.
Changes in physics via updates can alter that balance quite dramatically.
So while the task itself is already quite difficult, physics changes to the game can lead to certain drivetrains having an advantage,

That's where we find ourselves now, particularly in Gr. 4.
But BoP is always under constant review, so while it may (or may not) be annoying now, the situation should change at the next official game update.

 

[baldgye]

I don't care that much about BoP, I'm here for the racing if I can't win because my car isn't fast enough, I'd rather that than loose because I wasn't fast enough.

That said, I wish that DR was balanced with BoP, so that if your racing against the crazy fast little hatches you don't loose DR say if you gain 1-2 positions within similar non hot hatches. I've had a few races now where they little guys will spin out fall behind me and then wiz past like I wasn't moving. Not much I can do, but a 5 lap battle with a Lambo should still increase my DR...

 

[KrisWorld]

There is still a lot of room for improvement and they are always collecting data. But I don't see a way it can be perfect without making the cars all feel the same.

One simple fix they could do is by putting restrictions on the drivetrain. And focus BoP within that category.

 

[Rowdy Burns]

But do you BoP for the average gamer, or do you BoP on raw data?
My way of thinking is you get a group of cars, put a good driver in them all, and adjust accordingly.
Some seem more inclined (my interpretation) to have average Joe from down the street to drive each car and determine the BoP that way.

It has to be the best drivers that are used to set the BoP, you cant set BoP when the driver is not getting the best out of the car. That is probably why Gr.4 BoP is in the mess its in right now!!

I dont think track selection plays such a big part in it. I'd like to do some testing to prove this but I cant see a RWD car being faster than a FWD car on X track then the roles reversed on another, and if there is a swap over I'd wager the times would be really close anyway..... so that would be a good BoP right?

 

[ASH32]

Not if they keep changing the physics all the time.