XBOX Live ban, Firmware Mod?

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In no way is this thread going to or need to discuss the actual how to or anything related on how to mod your 360 or re-flash the dvd firmware because of AUP violations, so please don't ask how to or speak of how to:tup: The question i have is if you have "hacked" firmware on your 360 have you had any problems with xbox live? I have heard that you could be banned for life for having the modded firmware but i don't know anyone personally that has a modded console. Does anyone have one or know anyone personally ( in real life, not talking to someone on the net that could be an bold face liar) that has modded firmware who has xbox live and how long have you had the firmware while connecting to live, with or without problems. Looking into flashing mine but i would rather not if it would get me banned from xbl, but i don't know if its just a scare tactic put out my M$ or not. My original xbox is modded and i get a great deal of more use out of it media wise now, but i won't give up playing with my friends on COD because of it

 

[H3rmaN]

All depends what FW hack you use.

You CAN get banned, and I know people that are banned!

M$ cant actually detect the hacked FW, but with older hacked FW M$ would run remote disc checks and the copied games would return incorrect information, so they knew you had a hacked machine and banned you.

The latest hacked FW, iXtreme 1.4 (iXtreme 1.41 for BenQ drives) fixes all these issue. Now it only allows exact 1:1 copies of games run, that have all the correct security sectors, and are stealth patched. Now when M$ run remote disc checks the FW automatically returns the correct info, so that they cant detect you have hacked FW running.

You can ONLY get banned when playing a copy while you are connected to LIVE, if you play an original while connected to LIVE and have hacked FW you will NOT get banned!

Flashing your 360 will NOT let you run homebrew or give you any more features media wise like with the original XBOX, it will ONLY allow you to play copies, nothing more!

Hope this helps, if you have any more questions just ask!

 

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All depends what FW hack you use.

You CAN get banned, and I know people that are banned!

M$ cant actually detect the hacked FW, but with older hacked FW M$ would run remote disc checks and the copied games would return incorrect information, so they knew you had a hacked machine and banned you.

The latest hacked FW, iXtreme 1.4 (iXtreme 1.41 for BenQ drives) fixes all these issue. Now it only allows exact 1:1 copies of games run, that have all the correct security sectors, and are stealth patched. Now when M$ run remote disc checks the FW automatically returns the correct info, so that they cant detect you have hacked FW running.

You can ONLY get banned when playing a copy while you are connected to LIVE, if you play an original while connected to LIVE and have hacked FW you will NOT get banned!

Flashing your 360 will NOT let you run homebrew or give you any more features media wise like with the original XBOX, it will ONLY allow you to play copies, nothing more!

Hope this helps, if you have any more questions just ask!

That helps allot:tup: The only reason for me flashing it was for backups, on my original it was for mainly roms and playing dvd's without having the money making dvd remote....jerks. I didn't know exactly what or how they checked your machine to see if you had modded firmware. But if they can only check it against a game that you are playing on live then i would be fine because i wouldn't have a backup of the game playing it on live, only in single player. The games i play all the time i always purchase, like COD and GTA. But there are some that i play and i like enough to play them but really don't think they are worth the price tag etc. Im still debating doing it but the info you gave puts me at ease as far as getting banned. Im sure soon they will have a way to check even if its stealth patched, then someone else will come out with another firmware to beat that and so it goes on and on.

Thanks:tup:

 

[H3rmaN]

But if they can only check it against a game that you are playing on live then i would be fine because i wouldn't have a backup of the game playing it on live, only in single player.

Its not just playing it on LIVE, but also while you are connected to LIVE in single player!

So to be safe, just make sure you are not connected to LIVE at all when playing backups.

 

[EnZo-UK]

i remember with the old xbox you could play online if you pressed oped disc tray button instead of the power button as the disc tray didnt turn on the hacked firmware.

 

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Its not just playing it on LIVE, but also while you are connected to LIVE in single player!

So to be safe, just make sure you are not connected to LIVE at all when playing backups.

I never connect to live unless im going to be playing multiplayer anyways so thats not a problem. Only time other than playing a multi game if i connect is just to see if friends are on to determine what game im going to be playing. How exactly can they ban you for life though? They could ban the email and the screen name for sure but what keeps you from just making a new one? Is it a SN or some sort they extract from your 360 that identifies you?

 

[H3rmaN]

They ban the 360, not your gamertag/e-mail.

So if you get banned, just go get another 360, put your HDD or memory card into it and you'll be back on LIVE instantly.

 

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They ban the 360, not your gamertag/e-mail.

So if you get banned, just go get another 360, put your HDD or memory card into it and you'll be back on LIVE instantly.

Thats what i was thinking, i don't have 360's laying around so im still not sold doing this. For me the advantages just don't out weigh the benefits really...sigh. My friend has it done and he plays his backups on live all the time, hes had it done about 3-4 months now with no problems. But i would be the one to get checked and busted because of my horrible luck. I would hate to have to start all the way over on COD4....i might just wait a bit and see how they fight the new firmware that is out now and then go from there. Oh and by the way mate, the link you sent me is just great for getting everything related to xbox as far as apps and debuggers and such. Super fast and they have everything there i could want:tup: Really appreciate the help, seems like getting help here has got fairly hard in the last year. Cool people got replaced with wankers it seems to be

 

[H3rmaN]

1. Thats what i was thinking, i don't have 360's laying around so im still not sold doing this. For me the advantages just don't out weigh the benefits really...sigh.

2. I would hate to have to start all the way over on COD4....

3. I might just wait a bit and see how they fight the new firmware that is out now and then go from there.

4. Oh and by the way mate, the link you sent me is just great for getting everything related to xbox as far as apps and debuggers and such. Super fast and they have everything there i could want:tup: Really appreciate the help, seems like getting help here has got fairly hard in the last year. Cool people got replaced with wankers it seems to be

1. Well to be fair once you have got 4 or 5 copied games you have saved enough money to go and buy a new 360.

2. You dont need to, all your save data, gamertag, acheivments, etc are stored on your hard drive or memory card, so you just have to move them to your unbanned console and continue from where you left off, and when you want to play backups on your banned console (if you get banned that is), just move them back over.

3. Well no-one knows what M$ have up their sleeve, but I can guarantee that if more people get banned then C4Eva (360 hacker) will just modify the hacked FW to counter what M$ have started doing to ban people and release the new FW to the public, its what's been happening since 2006.

4. No probs mate! Glad you got it sorted and hope it comes in handy in the future!

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

1. Well to be fair once you have got 4 or 5 copied games you have saved enough money to go and buy a new 360.

Wow....

That's like saying it's OK to shop lift, as long as you steal enough goods so that when you do finally get caught, what ever fine you must pay will still be less than everything you stole before.

Is this all part of this "Me" generation mentality I keep hearing about? Where larger numbers of young people have chosen to disregard laws and ethics in order to get what they want regardless of how it might negatively impact others.

*sigh*

 

[Tornado]

Not that I am one to really talk, but yes, that is about the size of it.

 

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Wow....

That's like saying it's OK to shop lift, as long as you steal enough goods so that when you do finally get caught, what ever fine you must pay will still be less than everything you stole before.

Is this all part of this "Me" generation mentality I keep hearing about? Where larger numbers of young people have chosen to disregard laws and ethics in order to get what they want regardless of how it might negatively impact others.

*sigh*

In a way this actually helps the industry. It pushes them to do more as far as updating and keeping everything running smoothly. And as far as negatively impacting who? How many millions and millions does this industry make and how much do you think the guys sitting there coding this stuff make, yeah not nearly as much. A good bit of the time some of those guys are the ones who put out some of the exploits and they work for the company! Its not like im selling bootlegs out of my delta 88's trunk or anything. But the way i see it is why should i have to purchase all of the nes or snes games i bought years ago ( and i never sell them, some got stole and most got lost in a fire) when i can get the rom and play them again. I never sell anything unless its just so bad that i want to get ripped off at gamestop. I still have my nes robot....you know the one that burns your fingers if you touch it...nice job nes.


And also in this day and time if you do get caught stealing anything and its not your first offense, you will be doing time so its not worth it at all. I have a perfect record and just a few weeks ago got arrested for burglary 3rd deg and you know why? I was in a dumpster looking for tossed out goods. How is that a felony? So now i have to pay out about 3K for a lawyer just so i don't get 5-15 for getting into a dumpster, the world is getting to be ridiculous.

 

[Tornado]

And as far as negatively impacting who? How many millions and millions does this industry make and how much do you think the guys sitting there coding this stuff make, yeah not nearly as much. A good bit of the time some of those guys are the ones who put out some of the exploits and they work for the company! Its not like im selling bootlegs out of my delta 88's trunk or anything. But the way i see it is why should i have to purchase all of the nes or snes games i bought years ago ( and i never sell them, some got stole and most got lost in a fire) when i can get the rom and play them again. I never sell anything unless its just so bad that i want to get ripped off at gamestop. I still have my nes robot....you know the one that burns your fingers if you touch it...nice job nes.

Just...no. That mentality is what gives companies excuses to make terrible products and blame piracy for no putting more effort into it. There are so many things wrong with that statement that it would take an essay to point them all out.

And also in this day and time if you do get caught stealing anything and its not your first offense, you will be doing time so its not worth it at all. I have a perfect record and just a few weeks ago got arrested for burglary 3rd deg and you know why? I was in a dumpster looking for tossed out goods. How is that a felony? So now i have to pay out about 3K for a lawyer just so i don't get 5-15 for getting into a dumpster, the world is getting to be ridiculous.

Technically, thats a federal offense.

 

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Just...no. That mentality is what gives companies excuses to make terrible products and blame piracy for no putting more effort into it. There are so many things wrong with that statement that it would take an essay to point them all out.



Technically, thats a federal offense.

Federal offense for dumpster diving...no. Its not against the law at all to do it. Once the garbage is set out its PB then, if garbage is sittings beside your house then its considered stealing. And also two of my friends are software designers and both of them say all the time how they don't make crap compared to how much the companies make off of them. Im not saying that piracy is great and everyone should do it. In a non essay form what exactly is wrong with anything i said?

 

[H3rmaN]

Wow....

That's like saying it's OK to shop lift, as long as you steal enough goods so that when you do finally get caught, what ever fine you must pay will still be less than everything you stole before.

Is this all part of this "Me" generation mentality I keep hearing about? Where larger numbers of young people have chosen to disregard laws and ethics in order to get what they want regardless of how it might negatively impact others.

*sigh*

Screw them! The gaming industry is now LARGER than the MUSIC industry!! They make over €11bn from Europe ALONE!!

And when you buy a game, they tell you that you are buying a licence and not the actual game, but should said game be lost, destroyed or stolen they make you go out and buy a new one!

If you supposidly own a licence then you should get a replacment for free! Because you own the licence to own 1 copy of the game, but they still make you go out and buy another one! So then you have 2 licences and only 1 copy of the game!

Big rip off and they know it!

Also if a game is truely excellent (like BioShock and Half Life: Orange Box) then I will downloaded it, test it to make sure I like it, and then go and buy it because the devs DESERVE it!

However 99% of the crap coming out its just that....CRAP, and I wouldn't buy it or even think about getting it if it wasn't free! Cos I usually play those crap games for about an hour, realise that they are crap, then never play them again.

 

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Exactly H3erman. If i really like what i see then i buy it. I treat them pretty much as demo's. If they aren't worth anything then hello uninstall button, if they are good enough then looks like im going to a retail store and picking it up.


And again toronado, how is dumpster diving a "technically a federal offense"? haha, i can't wait. Federal no, even a valid offense...no. There isn't a law here that says its stealing at all unless its not sitting at the street. I got taken in because of crooked cops looking for someone to try to put 8-10 burglary charges on someone. Lets see, ive spent hours and hours with my lawyer so far, been to court several times, dad was in state for 12 years....i could keep going but theres no point. I know the system, and the system is a corrupt crooked cop ran piece of turd pie. But the sweet deal in the end is that the guy who gave them the false info on the police report is getting fired and my attorney is filling a lawsuit against the company that hired him.

 

[Tornado]

I thought tampering with trash was federally illegal, but it is usually controlled by state laws. My mistake.

In a non essay form what exactly is wrong with anything i said?

Roms of any copyrighted material are illegal, first of all. It doesn't even matter if you dumped the ROM yourself, I believe; but downloading them is 100% illegal. It doesn't matter if you owned a game three different times, if you have a ROM of it on your computer, it is against the law.

Second of all, regardless of how screwed your poor industry friends are getting and how the industry itself makes billions of dollars, it still does not give you any legal right to steal a game. That silly argument didn't work when people tried to defend stealing music, and it certainly won't work for video games. Whether or not most of the money is lost by the fat cat publisher or the underpaid developer, stealing is stealing, and stealing is against the law. Period. Just because one makes a lot of money does not make stealing something from him any more legal or morally correct.

If you still think I'm wrong, I can easily take this to the debates forum.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

they tell you that you are buying a licence and not the actual game, but should said game be lost, destroyed or stolen they make you go out and buy a new one!

Correct... just like every other product you buy... or are you saying that if you damage or destroy your TV, or if its stolen, the manufacturer owes you a new TV? It's this kind of backwards mentality trying desperately to justify being a thief that really saddens me. If yours was a singular exception it wouldn’t be all that bad, but unfortunately I see many others share your attitude about justifying being a thief.

If you supposidly own a licence then you should get a replacment for free! Because you own the licence to own 1 copy of the game, but they still make you go out and buy another one! So then you have 2 licences and only 1 copy of the game!

And you know who is to blame for this... you and your fellow digital thieves! If piracy wasn't as blatant and pervasive, companies would not have to resort to using so many restrictive use policies. Unfortunately people like you have ruined it for the rest of us law abiding individuals… but I’m sure you’re in denial of this, or likely could care less.

Also if a game is truely excellent (like BioShock and Half Life: Orange Box) then I will downloaded it, test it to make sure I like it, and then go and buy it

Yeah... right... and I bet you have a listing on eBay for some beach front property in Arizona, right?

However 99% of the crap coming out its just that....CRAP, and I wouldn't buy it or even think about getting it if it wasn't free! Cos I usually play those crap games for about an hour, realize that they are crap, then never play them again.

Then rent them... oh that's right... because that costs you money, and you're a thief. Got it.



Look, I'm not going to disagree that there are "crap" games, nor am I going to disagree with you that some companies are doing very well, but did you ever think the reason they are is because those of us that are not thieves, are paying more and getting more restrictions of use to make up for people like you who only care about themselves, and have no respect and no regard for laws and ethics.

If you have a problem with crappy games, crappy developers, crappy companies, then do something about it in a legal way. All you are doing is being a criminal and trying desperately to justify it any way you can, which is only making things worse for the rest of us, rather than better. 👎

 

[H3rmaN]

Correct... just like every other product you buy... or are you saying that if you damage or destroy your TV, or if its stolen, the manufacturer owes you a new TV? It's this kind of backwards mentality trying desperately to justify being a thief that really saddens me. If yours was a singular exception it wouldn’t be all that bad, but unfortunately I see many others share your attitude about justifying being a thief.



And you know who is to blame for this... you and your fellow digital thieves! If piracy wasn't as blatant and pervasive, companies would not have to resort to using so many restrictive use policies. Unfortunately people like you have ruined it for the rest of us law abiding individuals… but I’m sure you’re in denial of this, or likely could care less.




Yeah... right... and I bet you have a listing on eBay for some beach front property in Arizona, right?



Then rent them... oh that's right... because that costs you money, and you're a thief. Got it.



Look, I'm not going to disagree that there are "crap" games, nor am I going to disagree with you that some companies are doing very well, but did you ever think the reason they are is because those of us that are not thieves, are paying more and getting more restrictions of use to make up for people like you who only care about themselves, and have no respect and no regard for laws and ethics.

If you have a problem with crappy games, crappy developers, crappy companies, then do something about it in a legal way. All you are doing is being a criminal and trying desperately to justify it any way you can, which is only making things worse for the rest of us, rather than better. 👎

*YAWN* I really couldn't care less! I know people that work in the industry, and regardless of pirated material, if I pay for a licence and the physical copy gets stolen then I should NOT have to pay ANOTHER £50 to buy it again (which will mean I own 2 licences, but only 1 copy of the game)! If they wanted me to pay £5 to replace the disk (obviously I would provide proof of purchase) then thats fair enuff, but not £50!!

One of my mates had his flat broken into and all his music CD's (which he had PAID for) got stolen, so he downloaded them all again! In the eyes of the music industry this is "stealing", but in reality he has paid for it once already so I would not class it as stealing, but im guessing you would class it as stealing even though he has paid for them once before.

A TV is different, when you buy a TV you own the physical equipment and not just a licence to use it!

The game on a disk remains property of the company! A TV does not!!

You know what your right, when it comes to multi-billion £££ corporations I dont give a crap about laws or ethics....moan all you want, but guess what....im just gonna go download another 3 or 4 games and max out my connection!

Call me a thief, a liar or anything else you want, see if I give a crap!

If you dont belive I own games then I can take some picture for you just to proove you wrong!

WTF you going on about Arazona for?! We dont all live in the US!

 

[Venari]

You know what your right, when it comes to multi-billion £££ corporations I dont give a crap about laws or ethics....moan all you want, but guess what....im just gonna go download another 3 or 4 games and max out my connection!

So, you're stating that you don't mind performing an illegal act - and one that would include, say, pirating a copy of Gran Turismo.

Hmm.

First, the AUP puts you dodgy ground w.r.t the use of this forum for the above post.

Second, it has been mentioned more than once (and I think we're all secretry quite proud of the fact) that Polyphony frequent these forums to browse our opinions.

It's nice that you've made yours clear.

 

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I thought tampering with trash was federally illegal, but it is usually controlled by state laws. My mistake.



Roms of any copyrighted material are illegal, first of all. It doesn't even matter if you dumped the ROM yourself, I believe; but downloading them is 100% illegal. It doesn't matter if you owned a game three different times, if you have a ROM of it on your computer, it is against the law.

Second of all, regardless of how screwed your poor industry friends are getting and how the industry itself makes billions of dollars, it still does not give you any legal right to steal a game. That silly argument didn't work when people tried to defend stealing music, and it certainly won't work for video games. Whether or not most of the money is lost by the fat cat publisher or the underpaid developer, stealing is stealing, and stealing is against the law. Period. Just because one makes a lot of money does not make stealing something from him any more legal or morally correct.

If you still think I'm wrong, I can easily take this to the debates forum.

This is getting slightly off the topic i started but i will say this last bit to clear it up. I did not mean that stealing is ok, so if you took it that way thats not what i meant. Im also not saying that ive never done anything wrong either, ive done allot in my years from boosting cars to downloading and or cracking software. I don't do anything like that anymore because i have a family now, sure i have to work harder to make as much money but thats how it goes. Also you shouldn't post things as your posting them to be facts when after you say i believe but im not sure. Heres the two, getting into someones garbage is ONLY illegal if its still at theyre home and not on the road. After its on the road its considered PD. On the rom topic. Its is illegal to download or posses a rom even if you own the game of the rom.

Many people will say "i can have the rom as long as i have the game", no you can't look it up. The law that says you can't was made in 1983. But, since most roms deal with older titles that aren't even produced any longer there have been very, very few lawsuits or criminal cases against anyone. But in the long run the people that take advantage of the problems in technology just help it get better so its a service that is needed. Do you think that if someone hadn't found the linux loader glitch for mechassault for the xbox 1 that they would have put out another copy of mechassault with it patched? No. Problems are found by the "crooks" then the "nice" merchants (bill gates nice? Hmmm) fix it. His team didn't find it, we did so your welcome. Same thing happened with coke machines years ago. They didn't protect the board behind the buttons and all you had to do was pour salt water down/into the buttons and BAM! Every drink poured out of it. Guess what they did now, they fixed that and made the machine better. So if these big corporations would spend more time actually securing theyre software and not making so ridiculously easy to steal it then there would be less problems with it. Its so stupid that i can go download a "demo" of xxxxx software and its the whole prog and then just type in user and pass and it unlocks the entire thing for me. Even having a server that logs those user and passwords to check to make sure they haven't been used before would be allot cheaper than people stealing left and right wouldn't it? Just as much theyre fault as it is the people that take it.

 

[H3rmaN]

So, you're stating that you don't mind performing an illegal act - and one that would include, say, pirating a copy of Gran Turismo.

Hmm.

First, the AUP puts you dodgy ground w.r.t the use of this forum for the above post.

Second, it has been mentioned more than once (and I think we're all secretry quite proud of the fact) that Polyphony frequent these forums to browse our opinions.

It's nice that you've made yours clear.

As iv said, I buy good games......like Gran Turismo!

 

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it has been mentioned more than once (and I think we're all secretry quite proud of the fact) that Polyphony frequent these forums to browse our opinions.

Wow, i didn't know that Polyphony looked at us here to see what our views were. If so they haven't paid to much attention

 

[H3rmaN]

Wow, i didn't know that Polyphony looked at us here to see what our views were. If so they haven't paid to much attention

Lol! True! More to the point though......WHY would they look in the XBOX 360 section when Polyphony Digital is owned by Sony and they would NEVER make an XBOX 360 game?!?!?!

 

[Scaff]

You know what your right, when it comes to multi-billion £££ corporations I dont give a crap about laws or ethics....moan all you want, but guess what....im just gonna go download another 3 or 4 games and max out my connection!

Call me a thief, a liar or anything else you want, see if I give a crap!

And congratulations, your actions and attitude just got this thread closed.

Discussing illegal acts is an AUP violation, so consider this a public warning (and a formal one is on the way via PM).

The real shame here is that the OP took the time to PM me to ask about the 'limits' of a discussion of this nature with regard to the AUP, it would be wise if in the future you took a bit more notice of the AUP yourself.

As for your attempt to justify piracy really do border on the bizarre, based as they appear to be, on it being OK to steal from a company or industry if they earn (what you consider) to be too much money!!!!!!

I strongly advise that you re-read the AUP and think carefully before you post again.


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