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đź‘Ť So many over reacting folks on the planet
. Im with you 100%, at least make judgment on the finial version.
Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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đź‘Ť So many over reacting folks on the planet
. Im with you 100%, at least make judgment on the finial version.
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- GTP_Nismo
If it hasn't been fixed at the point, 4months ago, it's not looking good that it's been fixed at all. It's a possibility.
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đź‘Ť So many over reacting folks on the planet
Nah.... because once it's launched there will always be the possibility it can be fixed via patches/dlc... it never ends. The correct time to judge apparently is always "later". Has been for years and I can't believe it's gonna change.
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Why judge minor things such as small glitches from an older demo build and act as if it is the final product? At least wait until the game is in your PS3 before you complain that they "still didn't fix something". Bigger issues such as car sounds can go either way, but small things can very easily be corrected, especially when its from an older build.
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Honestly man I don't care I just want to play the game, and enjoy it. I got a taste of the demo and despite the fact its on a 22inch crappy inch TV with no controller configuration, and no vibration the game is fun as hell! So D do your critiquing its all good I just want to enjoy the game. đź‘Ť
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Because as of the time of saying it, there is still no evidence that they did fix it... why can't someone say they still didn't fix something now? And what kinds of things would really be ok to complain about? I mean it seems the very existence of standards and premiums wasn't worthy of complaining about... how extreme does it have to be to warrant legitimate response?
How big an issue is is very subjective. I don't personally care about car sound accuracy that much. It gets the job done and I haven't ridden in many super cars so I can't be bothered to much that the game doens't match my real experiences.
BTW this "older build" is what PD hand chose to give the public to experience. Sure it's a demo and it carries the caveats that come with that, but it's still what we are experiencing. While we constantly hear how common sense it is that we must have 800 standards because making them all premium would take a decade, we seem to skip the common sense that says what people experience is what they build their perception off of no matter what disclaimers you put on it. That's why demos are carefully chosen.
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I just got back from the Forza official forum.Forzamotorsport.net ..POOR POOR people.My heart goes out to them.T10 is shafting them big time.Locking threads like crazy,making them buy a whole new Forza3 ed just to get a few cars. and I log in here,all I see is whining people.Im happy with what we got.Im happy PD are not car posers like T10.and its that car enthusiasm is what makes me believe PD will nail it with a perfect game
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I remember a while ago people around here were laughing at FM3 and all it's shortcomings... then PD announced standard cars...
I really hope that what T10 are doing to the Forza crowd stays a "look what they did" situation in that respect.
It would have bode well for the GT crowd to think "there but for the grace of luck go we" when looking down their noses at the other games out there...
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So your saying the standard cars are PD shortcomings. Just as sound doesn't bother you some folks don't feel the standard cars are shortcomings Im glad they will be in the game rather than 200 cars. Even though 200 cars is more than enough for me, after playing the GT5 demo I will gladly take those 800 to add to my driving experience. đź‘Ť- 4,323
And some of the Forza bugs don't bother some people also... doesn't mean they aren't broken.
As I said, how big it is is subjective, whether it's broken or not isn't. Soudn't doesn't bother me much, but I am in no way going to try and say people who want it better don't have a legit gripe. It's just not one that gets under my collar in particular.
Oh and as for why not wait until it's out to cmplain?
I am not saying that complaining now is any garauntee of a solution, but once they have your money.... well...
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I don't care about some of FM3 bugs either some folks just like to complain. đź’ˇ I just want to have fun with the game. When I compare both products GT5 sticks out more to me. After playing the demo I was reminded why I love the GT series. In the End, I will leave you to critique GT5 I just want to enjoy it like I am doing in these video. 
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@ racecar thanks for the help man. đź‘Ť
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@ racecar thanks for the help man. đź‘Ť
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Guess there's nothing more on F1 cars, I remember when details were confirmed sayin more formula 1 teams will bring their cars to the game in addition to ferrari
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I also dont find the standard cars as shortcoming.if they can be used day/night ,rain/snow/day.I dont look at them as a shortcoming.If they were drastically omitted from being used from parts of GT5,I would view them as a shortcoming
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This is a bit strange indeed. I didn't mind the fact that it wasn't animated in GT5P. The action is so short and has to be animated at the exact time of the player shifting for it to look good, so I thought they made a good call by leaving it out.
Having said that I think they are doing an amazing job on the details. Missing the mark on one or two (or more) of them is bound to happen when you're trying to perfect a game this way.
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Just want to say thanks to JDMKING for posting the videos. These are simply stunning and I can't even begin to imagine what GT5 will look like on my Sony Bravia. The detail on the Rome track is mindblowing and I can see myself spending many hrs watching the replays. I can definitively see Rome being one of my favourite tracks to hotlap on.
I just wish October would hurry up as this month seems to be going very slowly.
I just wish October would hurry up as this month seems to be going very slowly.
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Isn't that the truth!
Well, at least my free time days. I had a four day weekend, and this work week is still going to feel like a full one, I'm sure. And when I get my fall holiday, I bet it's gone before I know it. I really need to budget my time well though, or else I'll be spending it all on GT5 and not my creative stuff...
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Just one problem with that thought, you don't know that the standard cars are BROKEN! You don't like them, that doesn't make them broken. The term broken in this context means: not functioning properly; out of working order. I fail to see how standard cars fit that meaning in any way. You don't have a legitimate gripe since you DON'T have to USE the standard cars! The people that gripe about the audio don't have a choice, they have to hear the car sounds in order to drive properly. Then don't buy the game. Simple as that.
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As others have pointed out, to have both standard and premium cars in the game is not a bad thing in itself, but PD indeed marketed the game wrong. The 800 standard cars should be viewed as a nice bonus to go with the 200 premium ones. As it is now, though, many will consider the game half-finished and incomplete.
From the look of the standard cars trailer, I think they look just fine in GT5, and I will use some standard cars myself for sure. I do think having both standard and premium cars racing at the same time will look a bit awkward, though, so I hope they are kept separated when racing in the game.
From the look of the standard cars trailer, I think they look just fine in GT5, and I will use some standard cars myself for sure. I do think having both standard and premium cars racing at the same time will look a bit awkward, though, so I hope they are kept separated when racing in the game.
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Dang. Heaven forbid someone not find a game perfect.
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Second that! Quite a bit of work (plat) you have done for the forum!
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Thanks Ivor and D I don't mind man I wish it was more cars i could demo for you guys. I cant wait to play you guys online, GT5 is going to be good man. Its so damn addictive all I was thinking about last night was I wish I could go to Game Stop to play GT5 demo.
Im sure you guys will find GT5 awesome.
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Has your hair grown considerably since you were last online King?
Good work by the way.
Good work by the way.
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First off: Don't have to use and Broken aren't mutually exclusive.
I don't think we know yet you can complete all facets of the game without touching a standard and secondly you can turn off the sound entirely and play without hearing anything, doesn't mean the car sounds aren't accurate. Doesn't mean they aren't.
And standard cars are broken for me: They have no cockpits.
We can go back and forth about what games have cocokpits, how previous GTs didn't etc, but it comes down to times change, things improve (hopefully) and GT5P got me hooked on cockpit view for the GT world and now it's broken to not have it.
Then we still have to face the silent treatment that standards are getting from PD so we don't know what else might be broken (ie I suspect they won't have camera weather effects obstructing view like rain and obviously wipers) both of which I consider broken to a degree considering the game they are in.
And while we konw they will use the same physics engine, since as far as I know there has been no user playable demo with them, we don't know if they handle as well. While unlikely it's possible the info collected on them is not as in depth as what was collected for recent premium models and so their results, even in the same physics engine, may not be comparable.
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FYI, the original Need for Speed and Need for Speed 2 both had cockpit view (interior view is how they advertised it). So, to you, every racing game after that should have a cockpit view since they set the standard. Anything short of cockpit view after that must be crap or broken, including all previous GT games. Also, in NFS2, there were special "bonus" cars like the VW Beetle, School Bus, and a couple more, but you couldn't use cockpit view for the "bonus" cars. Did that make them less fun to drive, not at all? It was a blast taking that Beetle around the track along with a school bus. Would a cockpit view been better, of course? All I am getting at is, just because the standard cars are not up to the premium quality and don't have cockpit view, doesn't make them broken. I would love to have all features on all cars too, but I want this game before I end up in a nursing home. I will take the "bonus" cars, even though they don't have all the features, over nothing.
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Really Deve? Is it the circa 2005 suspension systems that have you concerned?
Since it appears you are wearing your "can't read it if it's not bold" glasses:
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Thanks man đź‘Ť Going back to play on Tokyo today. I was not to fond of it in GT5 but it feels like a completely different track. The physics, sense of speed and elevation changes play a huge different maker compared to the GT4 version đź‘Ť- 4,323
For the recrod:
If we are going to see how long ago cockpits were in.
There is a saying about what happens when you assume... your whole post is based on a few assumptions about what I meant and not what I actually said. As I clearly said, GT5P got me hooked on cockpits. I have liked cockpit view in quite a few other games (Test Drive Vrally, 24 hour lemans, Rallisport Challenge, the Toca series) however GT5P was the first one to really do it right for me and get me hooked.
See how that assuming works out? Try actually reading what you are responding too instead of tossing out a knee jerk gut response:
Devedander
You know, I used to love steak at Szzler when I was a kid... I had had steak at a few restaraunts besides Sizzler but I loved how Sizzler had cheese toast too... then I had a real steak at a real steak house... now Sizzler steak is broken for me. It doesn't go back and magically make my previous experiences at Sizzler bad, it just taints future ones. See how that works?
As for
I have covered this flawed logic many times:
It was either game now with 800 standards or game in 10 years with 1000 premiums.
The logic is flawed because it's a false dichotomy... there are many other options such as "game now with 1000 premiums but with management that realized their goals for premiums at the level of detail they were at were unattainable and scaled them back to be appropriate for this generation of gaming rather than sacrificing the current release in some kind of tribute to future generations."
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