Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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CodeRedR51
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Looks ok to me...
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No need to head over there to see that they are ugly. I just turn the game on to confirm it.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
CodeRedR51
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No need to make them look better really. My above photo is straight from the game. Aimed the camera, moved it to 16:9 format with level three tracking, focused and made the shot. Didn't touch it with photoshop. Car looks great IMO. I believe the Premium cars are ahead of their time. More like GT6 material, or something that should be on the PS4. A higher quality version of the GT4 cars is all I was expecting up until Prologue came out, and that's what we have in (most) of the standard cars.
I honestly don't care if they are not perfect, they still DRIVE good with GT5's great physics.
I honestly don't care if they are not perfect, they still DRIVE good with GT5's great physics.
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Most definitely. Just note how the thread begins with images from GT4.
But then you get past that, and you see images rather like the Amuse S2000 above. Gorgeous image. That car looks Premium. They all don't, and some textures are spotty, but the differences aren't very great to me.
I joked with SlipStrEm that I was going to be doing a lot of Standard car photoshooting, and he rolled his eyes at me. But I didn't expect the Standards to look quite so spectacular. So, when I do get around to doing some Photo Mode stuff, guess what my subjects are going to be?
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Well... there's some cars that really needs some work. But some of them are just lovelly.
Nürburgring Nordschleife_2 por GT5_delayHATER_BMWbrasil, no Flickr
Nürburgring Nordschleife_2 por GT5_delayHATER_BMWbrasil, no Flickr
CodeRedR51
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Just so you know, just in case you don't, you can't take standard cars into the photo locations. You can only photograph them (front a distance) during replays.
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Dunno... The S200R1 looks, well, somewhat okay, but those details on the front bumper and the completely blacked out interior are still pretty, you know, obvious.
Photo mode aside, what kinda gets me is that, while racing, the standard cars (at least most of them) stand out quite a bit.
They look kinda strange. Like the old model was covered in oil to add a new level of shinyness to them. It's hard to explain, though.
They're not an eyesore while you're out on a track with them, and since damage is so toned down for the most part, you won't notice that either.
Photo mode aside, what kinda gets me is that, while racing, the standard cars (at least most of them) stand out quite a bit.
They look kinda strange. Like the old model was covered in oil to add a new level of shinyness to them. It's hard to explain, though.
They're not an eyesore while you're out on a track with them, and since damage is so toned down for the most part, you won't notice that either.
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Certainly not saying their haven't been cherry picked ones to go the other way also, but I really do feel like people don't just randomly snap a shot of a car and post it there... they are posting the shots they feel they want to show off...
Don't get me wrong, it's not like you can't just point and shoot a nice shot of some of the standard cars, but I ddin't see many unflattering shots making it in the thread.
CodeRedR51
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The above S2000 shot is random. I wanted a nice shot of a modified S2000 in the tunnel on SSR7 and it's the only S2000 I had, so there it is. Didn't care for a second if it was a standard car, that wasn't the purpose of the shot.
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I would say one of the few... and you did have to angle the camera and apply the effects... that's not just a random point and shoot. Composing a shot and effects go a long way to a good looking shot. And as I said, some of the standards are surprisingly decent, the S2000 is one.
Not to say that didn't turn out well, but if you just loaded up a random standard car at a random angle 1000 times and hit shoot, I think you would get far fewer of those than of WTF ones. I know I have.
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I guess what he meant is that you wouldn't have uploaded the shot for everyone to see if it turned out to look bad.
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I'm too slow, though...
CodeRedR51
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No effects applied really. Just turned down the shutter time to get a speed effect. It was mostly a point and shoot photo.
My photos never look bad.
If I snap a photo and I think it overall looks like crap, I cancel it and try something else. Most of the time it's because the angle is all wrong. I do this on Premium cars too.
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My photos never look bad.
If I snap a photo and I think it overall looks like crap, I cancel it and try something else. Most of the time it's because the angle is all wrong. I do this on Premium cars too.
Yeah, that's basically the point. If the shot looked bad, you would've redone it. So it's no wonder we see good looking shots of the standard cars around here. They wouldn't exist if they weren't showing the standard cars in a good light.
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The first photo I ever snapped, first one. Not hand picked out of a batch of pics.
I was impressed but sure its not the best but its not the worse.
If it really matters to someone then they should take the time to take the worse shots they can find and post them. Problem is naturally you are going to show the best of anything you take a pictures of whether its a car or a donkey or a flower bed.
I was impressed but sure its not the best but its not the worse.
If it really matters to someone then they should take the time to take the worse shots they can find and post them. Problem is naturally you are going to show the best of anything you take a pictures of whether its a car or a donkey or a flower bed.
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I did yes. I messed with everything before taking the shot. I just did not know about the 16x9 thing. It looks so much better in motion in replays. I said the City Turbo was the first car I was going to drive and had to import my PSP garage to get it. Its on a custom track too.
CodeRedR51
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Some of the standard cars are cool. I put my B-Spec bum in my Veyron, and it was the first time I had seen it in action. The rear wing raises for handling mode, then flips up to act as an air brake. Pretty awesome, imho. You can't even get that in other games that have premium-esue cars.
That said, it would be awesome if PD was more realistic about their staffing limitations and just did a little outsourcing when it comes to modeling cars. PD can get all the cars together and collect their photos, sounds, and other data. Just outsource the modeling of the cars, and test them and make sure they're done right. If they did this, I bet they could have 1000+ premium cars in time for GT6.
That said, it would be awesome if PD was more realistic about their staffing limitations and just did a little outsourcing when it comes to modeling cars. PD can get all the cars together and collect their photos, sounds, and other data. Just outsource the modeling of the cars, and test them and make sure they're done right. If they did this, I bet they could have 1000+ premium cars in time for GT6.
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Sorry if this question has been raised, i dont have time to skim 500 pages.
What exactly are the limitations of a standard model?
So far i've only been able to ascertain that you can't see inside the car and when i tried to go to the photo travel mode the computer said no.
What exactly are the limitations of a standard model?
So far i've only been able to ascertain that you can't see inside the car and when i tried to go to the photo travel mode the computer said no.
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- mileret
Looks like this
Sounds like vacuum cleaner or clone of another engine used in the game.
And has much simplified physics.
Not speaking about interior view, which is one and only way to drive a car for me, In reality I don't lie with my chin on the front bumper and glasses with two big analog meters over my eyes...
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Looks like this
Sounds like vacuum cleaner or clone of another engine used in the game.
And has much simplified physics.
Not speaking about interior view, which is one and only way to drive a car for me, In reality I don't lie with my chin on the front bumper and glasses with two big analog meters over my eyes...
LOL. true
But there are alot of good standard cars.
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I don't think that the physics engine for Standard models is simpler or different, but most probably their technical data (or driving model) are.
Certain standard minivans/tall kei cars in GT5 for example are unbelievably hard to roll over (I got some of them for the sole purpose of testing rollover dynamics), it's as if their center of gravity is unrealistically low. While trying that on the infamous last corner in Trial Mountain you can see them uncannily setting back on the normal standing position when you think they're about to remain rolled over. I think it's a "leftover" from GT4 when cars weren't allowed/supposed to do that, and it spoils the driving experience.
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Well, but as LaBounti says, no one is going to keep a pic that came out wrong, regardless of whether it's a Standard or Premium. You're not exactly being profound here.
In GT4, you had to spend some effort to get a car to look really good, and in most cases you had to use a sunset course like Twin Ring Motegi or Seattle - those two locations are sorely missed in GT5 by the way. But from what I can gather from GT5, the graphics engine is just perfect and conducive to taking good shots on any location - yes, race only, but maybe we can convince Kaz to open up location shooting for Standards too. In idles, my Standard cars are in Photo Travel locations and they all look fantastic. Maybe not to a few posters who can see obvious polys no matter what, but oh well.
On Standard car dynamics and sound, I haven't noticed any "vacuum cleaners." All my Standards have upgraded sounds so far, and drive just the same as Prems - minus rollover but I've never tried to roll anything, and I have almost 150 of various types. I think if you heard my real life Supra, you'd say it sounds like a vacuum too.
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Physics are the same on standards as on premiums.
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OK now that's pulling stuff out of your arse. 👎
Not all cars sound like a vacuum cleaner, sure some of them still have unrealistic sounds but many have been improved.
And like someone above said, I think it has to do with missing values or something of the sort, but the physics applied to them is the same as premiums. You can do burnouts and donuts and they drift the same way as premiums do.
You're putting standards in a bad light. While I myself am not happy with the division and would have rather opted the standards out, not all are as bad as the one above, there are many which look really good.
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Well, but as LaBounti says, no one is going to keep a pic that came out wrong, regardless of whether it's a Standard or Premium. You're not exactly being profound here.
And no on posts their ugly pictures on facebook or eharmony either... doesn't mean the pictures you do see provide an accurate repesentation of what you will encounter when you go for the real experience.
The standard cars picture was pointed at as a reference for "here's what standard cars look like, judge for yourself how bad they are" and it's like saying "here's my eharmony page, judge for yourself how good I look".
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Physics engine? Yes.
Physics? Not as detailed. Standards just don't get so many attributes like F458, SLS AMG, Gallardo and many newer cars that were hand tailored directly for new physics engine during GT5 development. You can actually feel it when you aren't dead.
