Your thoughts on the "new" proposed qualifying rules

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For Silverstone, a new qualifying format is suggested. It has yet to be signed off by Mr. Mosley.

One twenty minute sessions is run with all team having to set a time in this period.

A twenty minute break is scheduled, starting when the first 20 minutes closes.

A second 20 minute qualifying session is run. Again, teams must set a time. The grid position is decided on the average of the two session times. After the second session, teams can adjust fuel load and replace tyres.

To me this is pure idiocy. It opens the door for "accidental blocking" and not posting a time in a session can effectively end your weekend. Bernie seems to be pandering helplessly to viewership numbers in favour of common sense.

I wish they would just return to the previous 1 hr session with teams allowed 12 laps.
 
Ick. CART was like that for most of last season. Blocking hot laps was a major problem that forced that series to switch to one car qualifying. I for one am a huge fan of the one car qualifying that is currently in place.
 
Personally I like the free for all but what we have right now works too. I do not like the new proposal and frankly its getting too damned technical. Fastest time gets the better period..... period, end of story. OWRS's latest scheme is what happens when you get too damned technical, you end up with nothin but confused people.
 
What we have now is fine, this new thing would completely destroy the sport, hell even a Minard could get up front in that setup! Now THAT is scary!:scared:
 
20 minutes also means that people are going to take risks to try and get laps in. Sessions being interrupted becomes a logistical nightmare. It sucks ass and someone better slap them and say so.

I love that they keep having to find something to stop Michael winning. Am I the only one bemused that one man's skill and subsequent domination can force so much change and angst?
 
I don't like it,in fact i hate this new rule.I don't get why this should bring more viewers.Now you won't be seeing half the cars do their qualifying run.Leave it as it is i say.
 
I see only one good point from this, whoever has the fastercar and bettter driving skills will be out front in one car qualfying. In the free for all it is kinda like who knows who...
Just my thought... I would watch it either way.
 
I don't like it one bit. And as much as I hate to break the traditions of my favorite form of motorsport, the one-lap thing is a lot more fun to watch. Drivers also have no excuses: "So and so held me up!" or "Not enough time to set quick laps..."

And when you have 20 minutes of qualifying madness, you're bound to have cars on hot laps and cold laps, and when the two misunderstand each other at the same corner, you're going to have serious accidents.
 
Originally posted by heero 12
What we have now is fine, this new thing would completely destroy the sport, hell even a Minard could get up front in that setup! Now THAT is scary!:scared:
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Friday qualifying, Magny-Cours, 2003. And there was much rejoicing.

I like the one-shot qualifying. We get to see how everyone drives, there's no blocking and the parc ferme rules about refueling make for intresting tactical desicions.

If F1 was to go back to an hour's qualifying with 12 laps, why not just make it half an hour? No-one went out in the first half-hour before anyway.
 
The problem with the actual qualifying session is that is it freakin' boriiiinnggg..... I'm all for the 12 lap free for all, specially since that way you seem to get a more varied mix of cars all around.

The latest idea of having two free-for-all mini-sessions within the final hour of qualifying has the advantage that cars have to run for six laps in each of the sessions and the times must then be added together and the total time used to establish the grid position. This is not a bad solution but if the fuel loads are then allowed to be changed for the race the danger is that while qualifying will become more of a spectacle, the races will suffer.

There have been other suggestions: that the hour should be split with the first half hour being a free for all and then the top 10 should run off against one another with fuel in the second part of the session. The problem with this is that there is the issue of safety as there would inevitably be drivers who would finish a qualifying lap and wanting to save fuel would drive as slowly as possible around the lap afterwards. There would be a serious danger of an accident if other drivers were on flying laps.

There are other ideas that have been thrown around. The teams could declare their fuel load to the FIA on Saturday morning and then run qualifying with light tanks and then the cars would be refilled under supervision afterwards. The problem with this is that very quickly all the teams would conclude that the best strategy would be to run heavy in the races and so the fastest man in qualifying would be the man at the front.

The argument then turns to whether or not there should be pit stops at all or whether it would be best for the racing to have tyre stops but no refuelling. This would mean that everyone would have to set up their cars for qualifying on heavy fuel but could have more aggressive strategies in races. The danger is that at some tracks even a car with a huge advantage would not be able to overtake a slower car ahead. Bernie Ecclestone however is against any such idea and wants more pit stops rather than less.

More radical theories suggest that there is no workable solution by which qualifying and the race can both be interesting and say that the grid should be drawn by lottery as it was in the old days of the sport. They argue that this could be a televised event and all the focus should be on the race. Of course, this idea is hated by the purists of the sport, despite the fact that this was how grids were establish from the very earliest days of the sport. Outside the sport there are many who believe that the grids should be drawn up based on the result of the last race, with the winner at the back, as it makes no sense at all to have the fastest men at the front if one wants racing to be interesting.

The basic argument is not really one of different qualifying systems but really whether or not the sport should become a show business activity.
 
Well call me a purist or a fanboy or whatever you please but I think all these new proposals are bull**** and aren't going to achieve a goddamn thing.

Just wait a few more years for Schumacher to retire and you'll have your interesting racing back.

Edit: That was a general post, not attacking anyone's opinion in here.
 
I'd like to see qualifying go from one single lap to 2 or 3, then average the 3 laps out and you have your qualifying order. Longer qualifying and possibly more entertainment as you watch drivers push their cars as hard as they can for 2 or 3 laps straight.
 
Originally posted by 3rdgenracerX
I'd like to see qualifying go from one single lap to 2 or 3, then average the 3 laps out and you have your qualifying order. Longer qualifying and possibly more entertainment as you watch drivers push their cars as hard as they can for 2 or 3 laps straight.
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I like that idea!
 
That's not too bad. If you think back to the one hour qualifying sessions often drivers made their fastest lap on the 2nd flying one, the problem would once again be timing though.
 
There would only be one car qualifying on the track at a time. That way none could get in the way. All 3 laps count, botch one up and you've basically put yourself out of a good qualifying position since all 3 laps are averaged and thats what sets the qualifying field.
 
I was thinking of having to run everyone twice but yeah, that'd be a decent idea actually.

3 laps, that's about 4:30, take about 8 minutes for each car with speed up and slow down laps. Assuming they start another car after the last one's completed his flying lap they'd probably save one minute, one minute either side at best, so 6 mins per run once you work it out, minimum. 2 hour session then. Still pretty long.
 
Any one here about the proposed V8's for 2006 during the Nurburgring race on Speed?
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Yeah I heard there was going to be V8's and they will drop the engine capacity from 3L to 2.8L. It still isn't confirmed, but I can see it happening. It is supposed to make F1 cheaper, but since when has travelling at over 300mph in a car been cheap?
One more step for the FIA, another punch in the face for F1.
 
The new qualifying system is clearly a good idea. I can't see a problem with it.

It's a return to the old "free hour" system, where each competitor has 12 laps. Except now they have to run within two windows, and the 20 minutes where nothing happens is a mandated period that will allow TV companies to place advertisements without missing the on-track action.

It's a proper idea, and it seems to have been properly thought out.

I'm in favour.

Plus, I think that single-car qualifying for the whole field is pretty dull.
 
I find single lap more interesting than the old system but you see less and less of the cars at a race weekend, that's irritating.
 
one hour qualifying session...thats what i liked, thats what they took away. the last thing f1 needs to do is too make it more complicated
 
Apparently the new system will be in place from the British GP, two 25 minute windows with the aggregate best time counting.
 
About the V8 engines, I don't think it'll make the sport any cheaper, the teams will spend more trying to get more out of less and cost's won't be cut.
 
Apparently BMW is quite against the proposals, to the point of withdrawing support, and they're looking for support from Mercedes.
 

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