Kazunori Yamauchi has confirmed to EuroGamer that Gran Turismo 6 is set to receive a “fairly large” patch when it releases on December 6th, with further supporting updates scheduled to last 12 months.
“It’s the same every time,” said Yamauchi. “Everything’s very tight. It’s an incredibly tight schedule. As to being able to include everything we want to on day one, we probably won’t be able to. I think for the 12 months following the release we’ll continue to update the software. Because in Gran Turismo 6 we’re preparing a lot of different things we haven’t even touched on yet.”
This of course comes after the recent news that GT6 engine sounds could be updated at a later time, which is an area of concern for a large number of players.
It’s also interesting to note that Yamauchi remarks that with GT6 relying on post-release updates and patches, Gran Turismo could eventually move toward acting more as a service as opposed to a boxed product in the future.
“I think you’re sort of right in that we’ve really changed how we make games now. Even now when we’re near the end of development [on Gran Turismo 6] we’re still creating features that will be provided in this game in updates later on. I think it’s a possibility that one day these types of update will be continuing for our titles. More recently, the speed of our output is much, much faster.”
I’ve always looked at it that every generation of Playstation there has always been two full GT games (GT Prologue IMO doesn’t count). So with that being said, GT6 is pretty much what GT5 should have been all along.
Day One Patch – most games today have day one patches….hell even the Xbox One console is getting a day one system patch.
As long it’s regularly patched, DLC is at a reasonable price…I’ll be happy
I buy GT but not now because the update sound engine not included in the disc i dont have internet my internet is MC Donald lol
If you read between the lines I think what Kaz is saying is “As we are working toward GT7, we will most likely patches those changes in GT6 aswell, sound engine, physics, cars and tracks, and so on.” It is doubtful we will see a lot of patches, GT5 didn’t need that many bug fixes and it was their first attempt at a cell processor, most updates were to improve things that weren’t technically broken or buggy.
Oh, I read: “We cannot finish the game in time, so we will have to patch it on day one.”
Kaz is bad at keeping deadlines and promises.
I read: Theres a number of things that we would like to have in GT6 on day 1 but the amount of different content is quite large so we will finish GT6 on time with what we have, while we convert things like Improved A.I., Sound, Deeper Customization features beyond Aero parts and Rims in regular updates.
Obviously a statement saying GT6 will be delayed has not been issued so the game will release on time (PDs inhouse deadline not the one you set for them iLex). Where did Kaz Lie or break a promise when he clearly has been saying “We are researching ways to do these things” he never promised all these community desired wishes would be ready by the games release. Plus the updates will be Monthly, along with the DLC, Free and Priced.
Hoping for Porsche in GT6!!! Hopoing for more supercars and racecars, european racecars there is!!! Hoping for premium bugattis!!!
Hoping you’ll be thankful for what you get!
I’m looking forward to it. Have a feeling GT6 is going to be really good! Don’t really care what the haters or constatant whiners have to say about it. With them it doesn’t really matter what PD does with GT, they’ll alway find fault with it. Yet they’ll still be there like the rest of us playing on day one.
But the one thing I want to know is about the Drift side of things for GT6? As well as the Rally side? We’ve heard alot of the Racing side of things as well as new tracks and cars. But I wanted to know how the drifting and Rally side of things will be in GT6. No one has really asked any quesions portraying to those things. I hope someone does soon though.
+1
Glad to see I am not the only one!
Boy am I glad I have the internet connection. I would be pretty upset otherwise
…So it’s true?
Might have to lug the PS3 to a friend’s house again.
everyone just needs to shut up and be greatful for the upcoming patches… atleast, pd is taking care of the broken stuff in gt, and not like t10 where they dont give a dman about it!
Maybe because Turn 10 doesn’t release games in the state GT5 was in when it first came out.
^
Amen – too much complaining, not enough playing!
Turn 10 have provided updates and additional car packs, I don’t believe they don’t give a damn. Have you played FM4? I love GT which is what Forza was based upon, They used what they believed was the best blueprint out there which was GT to base an Xbox racer as GT was a PS exclusive. Imitation is truly the greatest form of flattery and they flatter very well. But they put their own spin on it. They are different beasts and should be treated accordingly. I love both in different ways and am glad I opened my mind to FM after 13 years of just PS’s and GT’s. I find these games to be complimentary to each other as FM has some fantastic tracks and wonderful cars.
Turn 10 has done a lot more for forza fans than pd has ever done for gt fans. Its only now pd are taking people serious. Role on the 6th of december :)
Preach it P0UP0N!
Forza 5? Meh that’s just more dirt piled on top of dirt..lol
Spoken like a true gearhead………..
Forza 5 is scaring him!
Cute. I’ll like to know excatly how FM5 is even scaring him… :rolleyes:
Both will have their markets. FM helps keep Kaz and PD on their toes and pushing harder than ever. Competition is healthy
Yeah, Forza 5 is scaring me too! I’ve just given up smoking but there’s all these ashtrays I was gonna make out of the disks…
Sounds like GT6 is going to be just as half baked as GT5 was. But on the bright side, at least they’ll be patching it regularly, & hopefully making it better in the process.
Just name it GT6 prologue …
I celebrate the fact that PD improve the sounds, but he have 3 years to improve it and dont do it, just because people complain.
Someone send Kaz a watch and a hearing aid.
Someone give me a set of noise killing headphones. ;D
@ phil_75, send him your own watch – seeing as how you can always find the time to troll in here, you obviously don’t need one!
hahahaha Scotte!
It’s very sad to see what the game industry had became: HERE, TAKE YOUR HALF-BAKED GAME, WE WILL FINISH LATER (if they ever do).
What is this kind of philosophy? Of course, for most ppl, the fact that they can get their favorite (half-baked) games earlier makes them wave their tails like an excited dog. For companies, it is awesome too, they get the money earlier. Meanwhile, I suffer with an incomplete game, full of bugs that make me go crazy (in GT5, I got a corrupt save, constant lobby kicks, had to disable my custom music list, limited online lobby setting, and so on…)
Oh, and some of the updates are paid, which tend to make a lot of dog tails wave even stronger (who knows why). IT’S SAD.
It’s called continuous improvement.
I’ll tell you what’s sad: waiting FIVE YEARS for a game. ;P
In GT’s case, all updates are free.
Sick Cylinder :
It’s called continuous improvement.
It is actually called releasing beta as full game.
How is that the same as a released beta? You don’t know the extent of the patches to follow, or what effect that will have on the game being shipped.
I can see the comparison but I really do feel that this is something different.
You’re complaining that they are improving the game? I’m not getting what the problem is.
Well I actually think we are going to see a GT released when advised for the 1st time in years. The more I see things like the above titled news story the more I am starting see this as a reality. I think the lessons from GT’s 4 & 5 is well learnt and duly noted. This is a big step in Kaz trying regain our belief in them delivering on promised product/content when stated.
I am very interested to see what finally comes of GT6 upon release and patch and am looking forward to the info coming out of the TGS and Jalopnik in NY over the next few days. I am sure there will be a jaw dropping surprise or two in store, this is another step for Kaz and PD I feel to win some more people back over.
I am going to give extra leeway here on GT6 due to the fact that I love this mans vision. And his love of cars that has translated so well in past products. Maybe delivery and execution has broken down in different areas over the years or not as good as it could or should have been but overall this series is my favorite of all time.
I don’t expect everyone to do the same but just know at the end of the day, believe it or not, Kaz-san and PD are trying hard to make YOURS and MY gaming experience better. They do it for us, them, the cars, the love of cars and to make a successful and profitable venture. If they make a great game then all these boxes check. If they were out to ruin some of these peoples lives which judging by some of the posts on here would indicate then they would have been out of business and GT would not have seen a second iteration. Keep up the good work PD, take on board the positive criticisms and ignore the spiteful imbeciles. We eagerly await GT6
Good post. Despite the constant negativity we see around here, it does seem that reasonable people accept this as an interesting step forward, a way to rationalise a new release under less than ideal circumstances.
I don’t think PD or Sony want it delayed, not with the next-gen consoles coming out just beforehand, and of course Forza’s latest. I think this will work.
Agree completely. If it wasn’t for Kazunori Yamauchi, racing games would be a bunch of quaint looking PC sims and Need For Speed clones. If anyone remotely had the vision Kas did to produce a racing game with modifiable street cars, and it wasn’t NFS or Tokyo Extreme, it would have a handful of cars and who knows how many real world tracks. Maybe only enthusiast SCCA-like courses.
I have a few much loved video games in my collection, but among racing games, Gran Turismo reigns supreme, and Kaz is my hero. I hope I can realize one percent of the dreams this guy accomplished.
@ Elf, agreed, it’s not what we are used to from the past so change creates discomfort. So things are changing and you can only swim against the current so long. I have read enough of your post to know you are level headed and it shows as your posts are well thought out, like the one above as point in case.
@ TD absolutely, it must be hard to watch what you have created with such passion and diligence only to see some of the clowns that post on here tearing shreds out of it over some minor nit picky things that at the end of the day are not the be all and the end all. For the most part and its the important stuff (the way it looks and the physics) he got right the rest is all icing on the cake. This sound issue is getting out of hand now. GT5’s sounds were not that bad overall so anything they do will be an improvement look at the HSV-10 before and after was patched and updated. I for one will always be thankful to this man and his team as I have gotten 15 years of massive kicks, so if people wanna label me a fan boy /girl / what ever the frack u want then fire away I am too old to give a flying you know what
Thank you sayba2th, appreciate the compliment – there are some good old player here, but I hope you aren’t as old as your username suggests ;)
Elf I am not a long in the 2th as my name suggest. Put it this was I am old enough to know better, young enough to not give a…..
That’s a good place to be.
Yes it is Elf, yes it is!
I viewed gt5 as amazing due to this. , but any people complained.
I thought so as well TBH. For the most part I think most people enjoyed GT5, yes there were things we had issues with but for the most part we enjoyed the game. It’s the highest selling PS3 game of all time by quite some ways so that has to speak volumes. Naturally with 10mil + sold there are going to be the haters and those with pie in the sky expectations, it’s just when those speak it’s usually yelled so therefore everyone knows / hears about it.
Wonderful, they’ll finish it later. Until they won’t. Just like they never finished GT5. I still recall my retail box mentioning leaderboards and matchmaking…
Which box said that?
The US box I got on launch day.
Interesting, I can’t find one that has anything like that on it.. did you get a special edition or something?
Invictus, when did you buy the game and what edition do you have? (XL, Academy, etc.)
No mention of those things on my release day copy, front, back, side or in the booklet.
US launch day standard edition. There’s a gray features bar at the very top. This has been talked about quite a bit, but it seems memories can be short.
Heck, even the Academy Edition released last year says that there is 16-player online play… with 16 spectator slots. GT5 still has yet to see this.
It’s misrepresentation plain and simple. It isn’t some set of goals that PD showed at some game show years before, it’s there on the product itself.
Cool bring it on!!! Lets see what you have done and update the hack out of it. I’m just fine with that. Its got to be better than what I have been playing for the last three years. Need to still work on the sound; OK send me an update when you get it done. Need to button up a few last things great send em’ in an update.
Some people here did not consider the word EVOLUTION back when GT announced it…GT5 was the ultimate platform…(Service) it could of kept going forever in theory..if they said 20 more tracks and 50 new cars for GT5 I for one, out of probably many here, would have been happy to keep on playing GT5 for years.
It got messy and the hackers and such probably highlighted a few problems..also incorporating new features like telemetry and car physics and the like may not of been possible….so they kept back some content there always working on for the new improved GT service.
The disc is just the door to GTWORLD simple..
The internet is the elephant in the room here but that’s not all it could be yet either.
GT6….for a long time..
future? I see manufactures sponsoring events with free content to highlight there latest products,
innervation’s and creations,only good stuff can come of this..
Please please please let this mean that driving a Ferrari through a tunnel in Gran Turismo will sound like a real Ferrari driving through a tunnel in real life! Okay, maybe that is wishful thinking, but I will settle for better sounds. :)
For those of you who want those added features you’re afraid you’ll never see… there you go. Kaz and the team are taking a modular approach to GT6. Units can be installed on a “when ready” basis.
“We want a number of FIA GT Class league races!”
“We want those improved engine sounds!”
“We want a season of WRC point-to-point rally racing!”
“We want the Legacy tracks from past Gran Turismos!”
“We want xx environments for Course Maker II. And to port our existing tracks from GT5!”
“We want xx cars Premiumized! And cockpits in the remaining un-Premiums!”
“We want that Livery Editor! And Race Mod for most of the cars! And a Tuner Mod too!”
PD works… *kthunk* Download Available. Weeks pass… *kthunk* Download Available…
This not only keeps GT6 fresh and nifty, but is good groundwork for GT7 on the way more powerful PS4. Which I need to run out and pre-order…
Im with you on these ideas. All sorts of touring cars, not just gt. The gt class does have plenty of cars. Tbh im sick of hearing about the gt class cars. Btcc, stcc, eurotcc, wtcc, etc. Im not trying to moan at what your saying, I just wish people would look at the race cars that were only race modifications in gran turismo 2. They have real history that needs to be shown to the younger generations as most have never even played gt3 let alone gt2.
All this does is promote PD to release an unfinished product (again), and then try to play doctor and put a bunch of band-aids on it. Not exactly a good habit to become reliable on the internet.
Either way the games gonna be unfinished, gt7 will be unfinished. If a game was finished they would have no need for a new version. Of course we are gonna rely on the internet, at least 50% of humans rely on the Internet to do things, their kids just wont know what its like in a world without it.
GTHEAD87, that’s totally the point. Kaz has said that he has a lot of concepts he wants to realize that just won’t be ready in time for release, but he wants to include in this last PS3 Gran Turismo. And I’m sure we’ll agree when we see them. I’ve been harping on ALL kinds of racing league oriented content for GT6 like you say. What if licenses are being negotiated? Do I want to wait to see them in GT7? Not if I can get them in GT6!
A serious damage build? Livery Editor? That quantum leap in sound and A.I.? Would you want to wait a few years on those, HarVee?
And on that “unfinished game” bit, name one that hasn’t been added to. I honestly can’t think of one. Even the Ratchet & Clank series I’m a big fan of has had updates. And even if you don’t have access to the internets, 99.999% of the world is within range of a USB port connected to the net for free, and good USB drives are dirt cheap. If you’re buying GT6, this is just another whine meme.
Thats what i’m talking bout TD. There seem to be different rules for other games when they do it vs GT series games. When GT6 was announced, with all the demos we where willing to accept that as an example of what we would get in the final copy. Soon as Kaz mentions they are researching ways to improve and then implement upgraded engine sounds and a livery editor, most assumed without question we would have this day 1 when kaz said all along it might not be ready by launch. Now that it’s official it’ll be added later in an update the argument is the games not finished, what are they doing? I swear with most of these complainers it’s hard to tell where the adult mentality begins and the childish mindset ends.
Tenacious d, I no aboit the licensing malarkey. They had the licence before, why not now? They never had full championships in the game but they had the cars as a race modification. Im sure people would appreciate these models of cars more than the choice of 35 miatas (thats all ive counted, could be more). The rx 7s are the same. I know its to promote Japanese cars but not eveyone likes jap cars let along mazdas. People probably dont like the cars I would like in the game and thats just tough. I will be very much adding gt6 to the other 7 gran turismos in my collection. Im super excited for it weather those cars are in it or not. I would be happy with gt5 with full premium cars with interiors.
Im only putting my input in hope that kaz and his team will see my opinion along with others to make the game supreme. Not long now tho ;)
The trouble with licenses is that they are granted for specific use in one game (in theis case) and would need to be re-negotiated to appear in a sequel or another game. Licensing is a bleedin’ minefield and is suspected to be the reason why the PS1/2 GT titles haven’t appeared yet as HD remasters on PSN…all because of the music. Yes I know, it’s effectively re-releasing the same game, but the new format does change it enough in the eyes of the contract lawyers.
That might not be the actual case, but it is feasible and illustrates how tricky the whole thing is.
Not sure what to think of this.. why not just print it on the disk? Or does disc printing take a couple weeks to a month?
They have to start printing and distributing long before release day. The disks have to be in stores ready to go on the day. They can do lots of development between start of manufacturing and release day, and all of that work ends up in day 1 patch.
Pody can make weekly patches, as long as they’re improving the game this is great for me, I’m downloading updates while sleeping. A day one patch with a premium Escort and Sierra Cosworth added with the Focus rs ^^
It must take some weeks to print all the games, manuals and covers then and send them to shops all over the world and ship to customers who will get their copy on december six.
All the factors HarBaev mentioned PLUS the install is probably going to be ridiculously large as it is. At least with this the game takes a shorter time to install, and you can choose whether or not to install the update (you can skip it by pressing O when the game prompts you to install the update). Makes more sense to me to do it like this IMO.
Three weeks last time fellas, from gold to in the shops.
Better then waiting five years for it to come out
FFS, this is just the gaming business is going these days, GTA 5 has had a similar thing DL on day 1 all 8GB worth before you can do diddly. I have accepted this change in the gaming industry now and realise it will never be like the way it used to be. So long as we see PD keep to their word and deliver these updates and such then there should be no hassles. Change is here peeps it’s just a matter of how ready you are to accept and let go of the past.
That was the install, not a download
Sorry, stand corrected Invictus
Change is only good if it makes things better. And this change you speak of doesn’t.
HarVee, I agree that change is good when it makes things better. I did not say that I like it though. This is just the way of the future right or wrong. You can accept it and move on regardless of how you feel or you can battle something is what it is and waste unnecessary time and energy.
I swear, if the game gets delayed to avoid a day-1 patch and people complain THEN…
Seriously I really don’t understand these people at all either. Are they trolling or just people with no internet access?
Think Abe Lincoln said it best ““You can please some of the people some of the time all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”
Great news! GT6 will get better and better through time as a living piece of software!
A patch for sounds Along with the rest of the f****g game
Shuuuut up.
What I am wondering what the initial installation will be for GT6.
Over 11gb; in fact, I’d pace it around 12 gigs or so, given all the enhancements and new content we’re getting.
I don’t think there will ever be a finish line. And in a way, that is good. Any game that claims to be complete is simply fooling their customer base. Truth is things that make the majority of gamers happy one day, can change drastically the next. Prime example with GT is cars and tracks. To be followed by customization driving feel tire ware so on and so forth.
I think all smart game makers will insure their games are capable of growing. So if they release DLC, then I am happy to receive it. So long as PD/Kaz continue to listen to their paying customers I have no beef with them.
The release of DLC is PD saying they realize the game is not complete. However, they are going to put the best product they can on the market and attempt to perfect it, vice holding release for months. GT6 should be judged by how much better it feels/looks and addition of game play features are in place at release time. I’m betting it’s at least 50 to 70 percent better than GT5.
And yes, the is GT 5.8. But ask yourself how much better is GT 5 now than it was at release?
GT6 will rule at release and get better throughout is life cycle……book it!
Possibly, the most intelligent, well thought out and well written post I ever read on GT planet. If I could agree more, I would, but I can’t.
I am an old guy, who has enjoyed the GT series from day one. GT 5 might not have been everything I imagined it would be. But the online component, enabled me to meet a bunch of great guys, who I have raced with the last couple of years. While I have played video and pc games since the days of pong, I never imagined how powerful a game experience could be.
And its only going to get better.
Decided to cancel my Pre-order.
A large patch on Day 1 sounds like we would be paying to be beta testers.
lol, your loss mate
I’ll be happy just to drive my Focus ST home from work so I can then drive it on Suzuka.
I went through delays and updates with GT5 and thoroughly enjoy the game. GT6 will be a better game so I am content with going through the same process again.
The people who are complaining are making the Sonic fans look like angels.
Why wouldn’t they complain,they have every right to its an unfinished game,no one likes unfinished games,do you think Kaz is happy there’s gonna be a day1 update? Of course not but if that’s what it takes to get it out on time then that’s what his gonna do.
At least they are trying to release it on time.
When a game is rushed, it is bad. When a game is delayed it is good but I like this concept (releasing it on time and updating it later on) and no matter what decision, the same people complain. PD can’t win.
Yeah, pretty sick of the same complainers. You’d have thought they’d have moved on if they feel so badly about it all…but noooo. makes me think they’re just attention seekers.
I also doubt very much that they actually care for the game as some claim to, at least not in a way that makes sense.
That’s exactly what PD is doing they’re rushing the game, if a game is coming out with a day1 update that’s rushed to me, that’s exactly what every other rushed game does, they release then update. Just because they’re telling us ahead of time doesn’t make it any less rushed.
I don’t understand why everyone complains…if they said no updates you would have a complete game..the fact that the game will never be complete to me is awesome PD is always striving for improvement
-_- day1 updates and updates down the line are 2 different things, day1 updates usually mean big fixes,tweaks,an new features that should’ve been on the disk but wasn’t due to time ,updates down the line are fixes, tweaks,and new features that we couldn’t put on disk because they were never suppose to be on disk and are new.
Even if they are, at least they’ll be fixing the problems when it comes out nlike what most companies too.
Big :tup: to PD.
I don’t see the problem with Day 1 updates, unless you don’t have an internet connection… I mean, many times, there are bugs they catch eraly on, or they’re adding/fixing stuff that they couldn’t while the games were being printed and shipped (which could be up to a good week or so…)
It’s day 1 DLC I’m not ok with. You’re PAYING for content that should have (and sometimes WAS) on the disk at day 1.
I already survived the GT5 Spec 2.0 patch twice (with my version as GT5 1.O), I can handle this one.
There are too many haters here. It looks like trolls from youtube are invading GTP.
PD, you are doing a good job supporting and working for us for so long, even after the game’s release.
True that.
They update it with proper support for a year, and people complain.
They delay the game, and the same people complain.
Make up your mind.
THIS!
I’ll finally use this: +1
Yup, a no win with that crowd for certain.
We can say it fifteen different way from Sunday and explain the situation logically – yet the same punnets will be complaining with the same old tired rubbish.
I’m fed up of it and it’s probably time I stayed away for my own sanity’s sake.
To all of those who enjoy GT – I’m sure you’ll have fun.
To those who apparently hate it – just get a life.
That’s what I never got. People didn’t want a rushed game, but they wanted it out ASAP.
That’s because for the most part people are tools, the never satisfieds, the self indulgents and misguided sense of entitlement QS223 hits the nail so far on the head its left exit wounds
+1,000 QuikSilver223. Key statement there, always the same people.
But atleast we won’t hear much from them after GT6 is out, because since so many claim they won’t buy it lol (yeah right) there won’t be much new left for them to say, which will leave them no recourse but to troll GTP with outdated jokes and spurned feelings.
Those that seem to know stuff about the game only an involved GT6 owner would know, say 4 months later and are still ordering Whine for their cheese plate will be Hypocritical Clown types…
What a surprise smh,just delay the game already and get it over with.
NO, deal with it! You want there to be more complaining and HATERZ to find more crap to BLAB about? FORGET IT!
If it means that they will actually finish the game then yes I have no problem with that,
Believe me there will be complain about it if Kaz delays the game again. Trust me. :(
I’m sure people will be complaining when the game comes out to,there’s no way around it, my suggestion to them is to just delay the game for another few months,let them take there time and be confident in releasing the game, it’ll pay off in the end.
I prefer release now and update later.
I’d prefer to have the game sooner in hand with the knowledge that it will be improved shortly, rather than get it later the same as I would have if it had been updated…
Gamers continue and will continue to support this type of game development strategy across all platforms. So this shouldn’t surprise most gamers at all. Some will find this day 1 patch as positive and some won’t. Unfortunately, it is what it is.
True. I think this is something that PD and other devs are trying out. I say give it a chance to work. If it doesn’t, it’s likely the whole thing will get dropped.
The console is pretty much a PC. this is fine. I’m good with it. I look forward to the updates. I bet if GT6 were finished and we got no content from now til GT7, people would STILL complain..
Updates and Content are 2 separate things.
^ Who cares they’ll still COMPLAIN no matter what!
And 05XR8 is talking about them in 2 separate ways, to come to the same conclusion, that players will still complain.
So again not finish yet? Lolz doesnt compute to mee wat?? U mean patch is just he other half of game? Lolz (sorry I’m just dissapointed)
I get the idea of updates over the life of the game, but the massive patch on release day doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. If, as previously stated by PD, the game isn’t even complete yet and still has 20% left to go, why not patch the discs and then release them? Or is it that they already made the GT6 game discs, with the game only 80% complete, and that the patch will be the remaining 20%?!?!
Overall, though, I’m very happy to be reading new news and hearing from PD. I hate it when developers leave fans in the dark about the details of the games progress.
It takes quite some time to get all the discs burnt ready for release so the game actually ‘goes to print’ as much as a couple of months before it hits the shelves. So it’s not so suprising that there could be a day one patch. The other alternative of course is to delay the launch to include everything on the disc. Personally I’m quite happy with the current setup of patches and updates, if we had to pay extra for them that would be another story and I could understand peoples dismay.
GT5’s disc went gold on November 2nd something like three weeks before release (24th). They’re pretty quick about pressing and printing. I think the day one patch is more due to PD knowing that they won’t have certain things completed by the time the disc goes gold, so this is an alternative option to working the team to death or delaying the release.
ive just heard gt6 is delayed until spring 2014 anyone know if this is true apparently an announcement will be made tomorrow
That would be a very unfortunate surprise… Although if it’s not announced here, it never happened. And I don’t think that would happen.
Wow, you just “heard”. A bird whispered in your ear? A mysterious wind organized the letters on your scrabble board? Exactly how did this thing manifest itself?
Ooh, I bet you’re wondering how he knew
About GT’s plans to make us blue
With some other Date that we knew before.
With all these trolls accusations fly
To the haters we love PD more.
It took us by surprise we must say,
When we found out Just today.
Don’t you know that…
He heard it through the grapevine
Sooo much longer til GT we’re buyin
Totally useless!
I’d love to see PDs in building security camera videos to see what the actually do all day.
You want to, YOU do it. You’ll see how fast you’ll get caught and THROWN OUT like a ragdoll…
There is nothing behind PD’s doors thats worth hiding.
Laughing out loud ..
The game is obviously ready for despatch and its updating what its done in the last 3 months up until release.
To be honest you guys need to be thankful we get a Gran Turismo game this soon… And we could not have had another PS3 game also so why complain about the 80% done? You should know Kaz likes to make things sound different to what they really are.. For all we know it could be more than 80% Kaz just wants to keep things quite still before the game release.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is Kaz actually doing for the game? I mean like programming, scheduling conferences, important-for-the-game moments etc.
hmm Nothing !!
He is the press head. He is kind of a Shigeru Miyamoto figure for GT now. He doesn’t do a whole lot of actual work on the game, but he does a ton through the media. Gives people a familiar face.
He is producing the game.
Obviously Madertus knows absolutely nothing about Kazs or PD humble beginnings. Heres a clue: 11 Total number of PD staff (Including KY) involved in GT1s design.
Hey, do you think I don’t know how small PD is, Pit Crew?
I didn’t ask why the hell is the game taking so long to finish. I was just honestly asking what is Kaz’s function in PD when we’re about making games, because I was just wondering. I wasn’t trying to be an ass or anything like that, I honestly didn’t know what Kaz’s actual job on the game is.
You must not know much considering Kaz designed GT1s basic formula while attending school, then had to create Moto Toon GP just to get publishers like Sony to take a chance on him and the Intellectual Property he created, in 92. Then after GT1 was finished and with some financial backing from Sony, he started Polyphony Digital, with a staff of 11 people. Thats what he’s done. He’s Executive Producer and that should pretty much answer your question just by definition of the title.
I wasn’t explaining why the game is taking along time, which it isn’t seeing as before February of this year the average fan assumed GT6 was 1 a PS4 title and 2 releasing close to 2015.
Just had a great idea…
the game is only 80% ready so why not put the patch on the disc before release and call it 100% ready?
Great idea, now you just need to come up with a way to add the patch to the disc after the disc has been printed and then you’re in business!
@eran0004: how’s the disc “printed” if the game isn’t even finished yet? Wouldn’t it make sense to finish the game (the remaining 20%) and then create the discs? That totally doesn’t make any sense.
For crying out loud. He is talking about the fact that they won’t be able to finish everything in time for the disc, which needs to be sent to print way ahead of the release of the game. While the discs are printing, they will have time to work on additional features, which will be released as a day one patch for users to download.
I though that would be crystal clear to everyone, but apparently not.
My point is that they could have saved themselves looking like a total bunch of dix by using that tried and trusted technique of releasing the game when it was ready (rather than when it’s not). I appreciate it’s a strange concept but you don’t often see books on sale which are just 80% written or music tracks which are just 80% recorded. Pop back in later and we’ll give you the rest!
Personally I’d rather buy the ‘finished’ game but as KY said “It’s the same every time”. Presumably we’ll only pay 80% of the price… er nah, I don’t think so.
Having said that, I’ll still buy it, just like every version before it, ‘cos I am addicted… and even at 80% it’s still the best there is.
It’s 80% done as of NOW (or a few days ago…). It may be 95-99% done by the time it launches. They aren’t “printing” the games yet, that won’t happen until maybe a week or so before the stores open. In that time, more can be finished and be put in an update.
And “complete” has VERY different meanings when comparing devs. to consumers. A “complete” game (to consumers) means all the features work, it doesn’t feel like they weren’t meant to be there. Everything is equal quality. To the developer, it’s a bit different. There’s features the consumers likely never heard about, but they weren’t able to get it in. With simulation, you’re NEVER going to be done (at least not in this generation of gaming) with the engine. It won’t EVER be perfect.
If GT6’s features are all there and they work right, and the engine isn’t all glitchy, then it’s at least somewhat complete. We’re probably still going to have problems with AI and sound, and we’re going to have standard cars and tracks, but it’s simply going to be better than GT5. And honestly, I think that’s the best PD can do on the PS3 right now. It would’ve been better if they went straight to the PS4 for easier development (not to mention more room to do so), but it’s too late for that. I honestly didn’t expect a MASSIVE improvement on PS3 for GT6, specifically because it had already been stated that GT5 was pushing the limits as it was.
This is ridículos, the game is going to be realesed INCOMPLETE!!!
Ohmygodandit’snotlikethepatchisforfreeandavailableondayonewe’resototallyscrewedoff…
Hang on…
People with slow internet connections? How the hell did they play GT5 and get updates at all, don’t complain now…that makes little to no sense. As long as the game works day 1 without that patch slow connection people should be fine. Although I think that PD should offer a way to download the update separately from the game then upload it to your system so slow connection folks won’t have to sit through hours long updates and cannot enjoy their game that entire time.
I am stoked by things to come that they haven’t touched on yet. This makes me smile as I know that GT6 will like GT5 continue to grow as the time passes and not be left on the side of the road like some developers do to their games 1 year in. What on earth could they be thinking of adding? Will PD offer a real livery shop with ability to purchase liveries created by others? What about liveries from actual race teams? What about using GPS data from smart phones to create a route for a user created course? What about allowing greater control over taking photo during race replays(helicopter cam, viewpoints that are removed from the main course itself and allowing cameras to react to proximity to course). I’m giddy with what can come out of GT6 and moving forward toward the series’ debut on PS4 will no doubt be epic especially with the scalable engine they use. I see myself owning GT6 and GT7 and playing both which will be a first. Sad to hear about the loss of data transfer from GT5 but, it’s not like PD can’t give anyone who has a GT5 save a little boost like an extra 10k to buy a car to start off, that would suffice. No more exp points means access to cars as long as you have the cash. Roll on Dec. 6.
Trust me. That is something I don’t want to go through again. I know it’s not PD’s fault that some of us don’t have a decent internet service, but they do have to come up with some sort of alternative for that. I didn’t get an internet service for my PS3 until after v2.06, and it took me 13 freaking hours to download everything. It’s not that I can’t afford a better internet service, it’s just that were I live this crappy service is all I can get.
PD definitely needs to offer a way to download these patches from a site, although I know that won’t be possible at all. That would cut the waiting time at least in half, because the PS3 also makes downloads slower than necessary.
I’m not complaining though. I have an internet service exclusively for my PS3 now, and I’ll keep updating the game from day one. But I’m still not 100% comfortable with it.
“Gran Turismo could eventually move toward acting more as a service as opposed to a boxed product in the future.”
Then sell it like a servie, not like a 60€ full game…
Hmm, someone up in arms and doesn’t understand the difference between “could” and “are”….human race is slowly slipping into morbid stupidity for sake of posturing.
My guess is that some people are so desperate to criticize that they don’t stop to actually read what they just read.
Kaz says Day 1 patch but it may actually mean a month or two after release! I hate these speculations, I wish they could just tell us : THis, this, this and this is in the box! I mean what the heck? We are one breath away from release and the producer still doesn’t know what’s gonna be in the day 1 box? Honestly??
1. Tell us what’s going to be in the release day package! People will pay for that!
2. Tell us what’s gonna come in updates! Thus, people who are not satisfied with day one product can hold off from buying and wait till an update fulfills their requirements!
3. WTF! Do not state in public that you are the producer of one of the biggest game franchises of all time but yet, 2 months before release, you have no idea what’s gonna be in the day 1 game that some people have already paid for..!!
Bytheway, I’ve made a video just for all those people bi@ing about the sounds! Mclaren mp4 with crappy tv and it sounds amazingly well!!!!
They more or less did what you said with Gran Turismo 5. We knew a lot before the release, and then lots of people were very disappointed.
Besides, what serious game developer tells people what is their game gonna look like? How about this – PD should release the full, finished game on PSN and make it free, so only those who truly support them can actually decide to buy it.
I hope that they fix the engine sound of the car that you are driving, so that when you are in a tight pack, you can at least hear your own car engine to be able to shift gears by the sound of the engine, without having to keep looking down at the rpm gauge to shift. In other words the way it was when GT5 came out before they screwed around with the sound. Or put in a feature to adjust your own engine sound up or down as would suit each driver’s personal taste.
Great to hear that GT6 will be updated a hell of a lot through its life cycle, i’m sure at the end of all these updates GT6 will become the game GT5 should have been.
This is good news, yes… But probably the STINKING BLASTED NO GOOD HATERS are going to SCREAM at this anyway, so why should Kaz even care to tell us?….. Give more stuff for HATERZ to blab about, even though what Kaz is doing is right (notifying his fans first).
I hope that they fix the engine sound of the car that you are driving, so that when you are in a tight pack, you can at least hear your own car engine to be able to shift gears by the sound of the engine, without having to keep looking down at the rpm gauge to shift. In other words the way it was when GT5 came out before they screwed around with the sound.
Comment spamming incoming…
One thing you can say, there is never a dull moment with Gran Turismo. xD
I’d rather the game get patched up day one then release the game without the features that PD want to add. Looking forward to the patch for the engine sounds.
He needs to try to stop saying “I think”. It doesn’t sound right
Oh great another thing for the Fan-Boys too harp on.
Come on. Don’t do that.
Moving GT from a Series to a Service is something they’ve been working on for awhile now. Anybody else remember the original plan for GT:HD? It was basically an iRacing type of system where you buy the base game with a few cars/tracks and then you’d have to buy whatever other cars/tracks you wanted separately.
I sympathise with those who have slow connections – I would think that a year down the way, better speeds will be more genrally available. I know that in the UK at least two providers are improving this across more of the country each month.
I hope that you get there before this becomes a more earnest thing – but you should have three years grace at least…and a lot can happen in that time.
As for updates later to ensure an early release, I’m cool with that.
Well, in the part of Australia I’m in, I have to wait three years before we even get optical fibre internet connection! Problem with that though, is that we recently had a federal election and ended up with a total moron for PM!! He wants to put in new copper wire that runs at one tenth the speed of the rest of the world…
Or, I could move!
I thought you were moving – me, I’m moving to the countryside where I get a better connection than in the city…weird, eh?
Because patches are totally the best way to demonstrate your competence.
Better than saying and doing nothing.
And being an online complainer says that your competency level is at an all time high correct? How many working programs have you built sir?
I’m glad he’s being honest and telling us this instead of releasing it and waiting a few months and releasing it. Thanks, Kaz!
Following a similar path to Forza 5. Still welcoming all the new content tho :)
People with poor internet = Well, ****…
I don’t mind the sounds, seriously.
It’s been this way for 15 years. Give me good physics/tracks/cars and overall content, and I forget the sounds immediately. Either way, it’s one of those “staples” of the franchise. I have gotten used to the sounds.
The NFS games and Grid all have better sounds, but they never kept me as long as GT has.
hooray! that makes 2 of us.
I’d prioritise classic GT tracks over new sounds.
Yamauchi is the man!
I always welcome updates and more content…but it’s a pain in the neck for those with slow internet connection though. I hope they don’t do this too frequently
Great news!!!