InsideSimRacing.tv has just published their extensive Gran Turismo 5 E3 2010 Special Report, filling more than half an hour of footage with their detailed impressions and thoughts on the demo featured at the big show. It’s a refreshingly detailed look at the latest build of the game by “hard-core” sim racers, as they discuss everything from physics, to head-tracking, to 3D gameplay – it’s the best impression of the demo you can get short of getting your hands on it. Thanks for the GTPlanet shout-out, guys!
See more articles on E3 2010 and InsideSimRacing.tv.
These guys certainly have something to hide. I’ve been blocked from commenting on any of their videos because I suggested that they were paid by Turn 10 for this review.
One thing to note is, Inside Simracing is sponsored by simraceway which in turn is in partnership with Simbin. Would you ask someone that was in the same situation with an xpox 360 only software creator for their comments on a Sony produced product. Me neither.
GT5 FTW !!
lmao at sony and GT fanboys. i hope they fixed broken physics from GT5 Prologue, and Academy Demo and at least triend to make actual colision physics and won’t leave us with some broken arcade shit like they used to in all past GT games and stop with their forgiving physics. Enthusia on ps2 and Race Pro pretty much slaughtered GT Academy demo which was good for casuals who never played real racing sim.
hopefully for the first time we will have actually DIFERENT cars and not just some BS copy-paste cars that share the same friggin sounds, stats and handling.
Hello, Che Chou!
It seems this IRC guy was talking from his A$$ when he said GT5 demo is similar to prologue
well lets see what the guys at simHQ had to say about GT5 demo physics
“The car felt and drove as expected, demonstrating understeer, oversteer and power-on oversteer in an intuitive way. Although the physics engine of GT 5 has been extensively reworked since GT5-Prologue was released, the game still had a too-faint feel to the force feedback repsonse and wheel resistance. Entering the short back stretch of the GP circuit, the game abruptly shut off and defaulted back to the user interface. The assistant explained that the game demo was designed to run only for 2 minutes — too short a time to complete a lap at any road course on display, and certainly too short of a time to develop much of an opinion about the game.”
Link, scroll down
http://www.simhq.com/_commentary/all_101a.html
Che your game is so crap you need to troll gtp? Sad…
Yes, I’m lurking here. As always, and I wlll have my moderator crew heavily trolling this site from now to November.
Excellent review by the ISR team. Make sure to send me a message so I can get those unicorn cars sent out to you guys. Thanks a bunch.
Che
Ah, post of the year mate. XD
I suck at detecting sarcasm, but you, sir, are a legend! XD
The reason Why i love GT
And the reason why its better than any sim racing game out there
is this
KY: “We have a physics calculation model so when you take the parameters for that car and enter these into the models it will automatcly drive like that pretacly vehicle. This way the basic physicle charactrestic of the car will aprear as is in GranTurismo so that actualy something we can not touch if the car is made well it will drive well”
Jay Leno: “A friend of mine was racing one of the cameros in Granturismo he just couldn’t get it to do what it did on the track with Mark donohue, and he went back and read Mark donohue’s book “unfair advantage”and he learnd how Mark donohue was setup his car… Well then he setup his car in the game exactly the same way Mark donohue setup his car in the book, and he set the recond to beat the time.
The game is that accurate and that sharp, thats what i like about Granturismo.”
@NotaSonyEmployee, If you read what i said in my question to the IRS guy
i said Forza 3’s “Permanent” Driving Aid – Active Steering
“Permanent” that means Even with all the optional driving aids disabled, Forza 3 still has an active steering aid that steers for you.
it seems you never played Forza 3 or your blindly defending it,
Take a real good look at this vid, and see what im talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVkxSZoHbYY
this video was also posted on T10 forums, and guess what T10 didn’t response and they simple closed every thread about turning off this bull arcady Driving and steering aid.
and it seem those guys from IRS are also covering up the Forza 3’s Permanent Driving Aid and Active Steering…
Forza 3 is NOT a simulator
its a FUN/Great game but its not even a Console simulator,
“When a simulation steers for you is it still a simulator?”
absolutely NOT…
that explains everything. i always wondered why i can easily drive in FM3 with all aids off at my buddies house all the time but when he comes to play GT5P with me he can’t even take turn 1 at high speed ring properly. damn that also explains wy he doesn’t come over that often…
I wonder what unicorn cars the ISR team received for their handiwork?
GT games have always, always been head and shoulders above the competition ( in fact, untill GT5 gets released i think GT4 is still the best racing game ever made)
i bought Forza 2 and although it was in HD the cars are not as well done as GT4,in fact Forza 3 cars still have problem areas like the bobbly appearance on some of the curves which indicate a lack of poly’s to me. Its funny cos turn 10 have done their utmost to try and compete with GT5, even down to copying things and still Forza 3 lacks hugely, the game is just boring with inept menu screens and a style that actually detaches the player rather than immerse them. I thought GT4 was the perfect racer, sublime, so you can understand how much i’m looking forward to GT5.
Bring on all the insults you like, I’m intitled to my opinion and that’s that.
Judging by your last posts, you seem to latch on to people and not let go.. Good luck with that.
I’m gonna start my own website called ExtremeSimStation.com. I don’t have any credibility whatsoever but it’s ok, I’m an extreme sim player according to my site name.
So, no one can leave these biased douches a comment on youtube without their approval.
ISR, CENSORSHIP SHOWS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE.
Censorship? Bias? Reminds me of Turn 10.
not sure if this has been posted, but you guys get a shout-out on here too.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/705850/E3-2010-Gran-Turismo-5-Interview.html
I hadn’t seen that, vitz – very cool! Thanks!
I wanted the Carrera for GT5, lol.
I liked it a lot :O)
With vettel in the video, then there must be several F1 Cars in the Game.. :O)
I hope for more long Tracks like the Nordsliefe
All I can say is.. whatever GT5 will do, it will do it perfectly.. as apposed to some “other” so called sims.
These guys did a good review and talked a lot of sense … On most fronts.
To the guys on the film, it’s pronounced ‘Gran Tur-iz-mo’ not ‘Gran Tur-ees-mo’. Sheesh
Why compare Forza 3 to GT5 anyway? One came out a while ago on the xbox 360 and one comes out soon on the PS3. There is a difference between reviewing something and comparing something. I want to hear what GT5 is like and I can make any comparisons myself.
those two guys in the video just might be the two biggest douchebags! they seem like they jumped onto the GT bandwagon only since GT Prologue came out. They showed very little knowledge/awareness of what was in gt4. Also if they mentioned nascar or forza 3 one more time i felt like throwing my comp out the window. ForSome people I guess still love to watch fugly cars driving around in a circle……
I liked the fact that the video was all about GT5 but those guys at inside sim racing tv with all their ‘crew’ seem like a bunch of morons, kinda spoiled the video
however
Are you R******d or what?
Have you ever heard of licence issues with car manufactures?
do you know what the heck your talking about kid?
Live for speed dose NOT have real cars licensed, that means they can do what ever the heck they want with their cars,
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Now this is exactly what I’m talking about. I am completely aware of these restrictions u speak about. I think every “stupid” person here is. But why do games still include damage? If damage is not important to you, then that’s your opinion. Please don’t be so childish to assume I don’t know anything about such things. Live for speed was started privately so of course money for licensing was not there, it even still remains privately supported and is considered to be one o the most played racing sims in the world. And with it being so mod friendly, people can create official cars an upload them themselves. But u wouldn’t know that from reading the wikipedia page u searched. I still recommend everyone to YouTube live for speed and see why its so popular. There are entire international leagues dedicated to the game so I would assume it blows gt out of the water so far. I just hope gt can bring this level of gameplay to consoles.
Mods please… Do ban this user.
Again, shut it…
I own LFS, and many other PC sim
look here
http://i48.tinypic.com/2uqhtzr.jpg
Live for speed may have great Simulation features, but it lacks the content and many other sim aspects, like the unique feel of each car, their official car list is too small, the drive feel is too dull, graphics are history… GT5 is a complete console sim game, GT5 may not have these LFS sim features but the driving physics are top notch when driving each car individually… you kids play few sim and you think you know everything about Car simulations, you don’t S***
nothing can even come close to the Real life 1:1 track design that GT5 offers, that why many pro racing drivers, like sebastien loeb, sebastian vettel, Nelson Piquet Jr. & Fernando Alonso practice their lap times using GranTurismo, because how accurate the game is….
This hate on GT is pathetic…
What a crock. The only one that sounds like a kid in this little flame attack of yours is you mike. I don’t read any hate of gt in what he wrote, but you do indeed sound like a fanboy who can’t stand to hear anything contrary to what you want to read/believe about GT.
But you go right ahead and keep it up. With every one of your “shut it” posts, you only prove his point further….
Just wanted to correct Mike… iRacing laser scans their tracks and are infamous for having the most accurate tracks in any racing sim because of this. Not only that but it’s also noted to be one of the most realistic sims with most accurate physics to date. I didn’t know you actually played GT5 to state that every car drives differently in the game. Many drivers use GT (and other racers) to keep braking points fresh in their mind, not because it accurately depicts how the cars handle in the game. They use custom PC simulators to practice off the track, not a playstation. In the end, each game’s physics are great, and there are cars that will drive and sound almost like the real thing.. in the same boat, there will be cars that won’t at all. We’re all excited for GT5, but try not to resort to fanboy talk. Cuz just as much as the hate on GT is pathetic, so is the viral defending of it. I think we all need to experience the final release when it’s out. So far one of the things that really got me excited, and I’m no graphics whore, was ISR’s repeated comments about GT5 demo they tried being the most realistic looking sim they have ever played, ever.
Just a quick note… I apologize for mentioning the WRC deal and the 78 stage thing. I just read about this multiplatform WRC game called “WRC 2010” and thought this was going to be the WRC news for GT5. So I apologize for that.
Still… we need more WRC in GT5 details, if anything interesting is in the pipelines. Almost like we’re neglecting WRC tidbits in GT5 in favor of NASCAR in GT5, an all too familiar feeling in American motorsports media…
Wow, u guys are such morons that u cant see past the “insults” and see the praises. What happened to ” this is the best looking racing game ever”?, forgot it? ” The tracks are the most realistic interpretations ever seen”?
GT5 will NOT be everything u hope for, so accept the still not officially known little flaws like times before and drive on
So what if they like a little Forza, that is a great game too… but you guys are so blind u cant even dare to compare the two games… even when they are two similar but different approaches to racing games
Lol guys, i just posted on this IRS video, something nice about GT5, “The king is back i can’t wait to play it”
people starting rating up my comment, then it got up to the highest rated comments (youtube), it seems they “IRS” didn’t like my comment and they REMOVE IT!!!
what a load of bull s***
seriously GTplanet why did even posted this video made by two amateurs. in the this site in the news.
The King is back indeed, the rest are back..wards haha
There are such an interesting bunch of comments. It was so hard to distinguish who is flaming who on this article. Too many flamers and not enough contributing comments. Please do not complain or whine or fight on this comment section, an please for the love of Christ will a mod just start deleting comments please. It’s difficult to sit here and read through tons of garbage.
As for the forza gt issue, I love gt, never played forza. But I am sure they are both good games. Every game has drawbacks. Please people just rember gt will have interiors modeled for every car. This is why it took 6 years to finish. 20 tracks is 20 tracks. That won’t change so get over it. Damage is the most important factor in creating a “true” real world driving sim. If this game doesn’t get that right. It will just be another arcade racer like all the previous gt’s. Live for speed beats gt and forza in that
department all day. And to those who say crashing isn’t the point, IT HAPPENS!! Pretending like all races always get finished by all the competitors is just not right! Racers do crash, cars do drop out due to that and drivers do get flats, bent rims, burnt up brakes and broken axles. As well as the miriad of engine failure possibilities. Even a simplified version of half these failures would gt over the top. Something akin to Dirt’s very innovative damage system. If you don’t care for real world damage, your not a true driving sim fan. That’s what makes every single race unique and challenging! Not just crappy a.I.
Are you R******d or what?
Have you ever heard of licence issues with car manufactures?
do you know what the heck your talking about kid?
Live for speed dose NOT have real cars licensed, that means they can do what ever the heck they want with their cars,
READ HERE:
“That, combined with the “restrictions that auto manufacturers” place on what sort of damage can be shown in their vehicles (smoke and fire is a big no-no) means you won’t see any huge wrecks. But no matter where you stand, it’s hard to argue against the fact that the damage that is in the game is done well.”
GT5 and FM3 have
“restrictions from auto manufacturers”
“restrictions from auto manufacturers”
get it in your big fat head.
the only comments mods need to delete is your S**** comments.
ATTENTION****READ THIS!!!
Please do not be mad at those who are upset about the lack of cockpit view in standard cars.I like many of you here, are GT series fans… I’ve played every one since part one and have been THOROUGHLY impressed each time. I own prologue as well and enjoy it. That being said I am also a big Forza fan (Never played pt.1, but was sold on 2 & 3). But everyone here must admit (or at least know in the back of your head) that it is a HUGE upset that only 200 or so cars will have the interior view. I mean one of the BIGGEST things that made prologue a hit, was the addition of the cockpit view, and because there was a cockpit view in EVERY car, I’m sure EVERYONE here expected it to be that way in the full game. However do not get me wrong… I am still very much excited about GT5 as it is the main reason I got my PS3, but the standard/premium difference is quite a tough pill to swallow. Who knows though, maybe that could set us up with some solid DLC… 20 or so interiors per DLC? Anyways, as long as I can race on Clubman Stage Route 5, and Trial Mountain I will be happy. And to all the Forza bashers out there, all the hate is really far-fetched; Forza is a GREAT series. I am not saying or debating which one is better what I am saying is this (and alot of us need to grow up and realize this) If you have a 360, you’ve got a great racing sim… If you’ve got a PS3, you’ve got a great racing sim… If you have them both, like me :-), than you have definitely got it made… No need for arguements or insults………Can’t wait for Nov. 2nd!!!
Also, I would really love to see the termination of the roof-view. The hood-view would be much more meaningful.
@marcvic: I know people who like this view so why deprive these people of the joy because you think it’s not necessary?
Your right, Nemesis. I shouldn’t have put it that way. That first sentence should have been spared. I was just trying to think of an interior view compromise :-/…. Just curious; how do you feel about the premium/standard? Do you think they would have interior views in other cars as DLC?
@marcvic: As I’ve stated before I think there isn’t any proper information as of yet which inconclusively states that dashboard view for standard isn’t in the final release.
Further more I couldn’t imagine it not being there. Although it wouldn’t a big issue for me I hope it’ll be there the people whom enjoy this view.
For the hoodview. This is the view I primarily use and couldn’t imagine them leaving it out. I can’t remember an iteration of GT not having it.
Nemesis, they confirmed that “*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views,” on the official gran-turismo website (http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html).
By hood view I mean the camera is placed more torward the windshield so part of the hood is shown. Sorry I wasn’t that clear about it before. I think you may be talking about the bumber view?
But do you think there is any chance that it’s possible for them to add a few interior views every month as DLC. I know they said they maxed out the blu-ray disc, but doesn’t DLC get downloaded to the hard drive? What do you think?
@marcvic: As I stated above that is just for the US website and its still open for interpretation in my opinion (They could mean that the cockpit is not modelled but the dashboard is). I’m still hopefull ;)
You’re absolutly right I meant the bumber view.
About the possibility of DLC for the interior view I can only speculate. If the premium and standard cars where created from the same base model that should be possible. I’d asume that GT5 needs a install to the HD thus DLC would definitly be possible from that standpoint. Although it’ll probably be possible from a technical point of view I don’t think that pd will put to much effort in this if its not in the final release. They’ll probably rather create more premium cars which they in turn could sell.
It says a lot about this bunch of tools when they have to mention Forza every other minute. Was I watching a plug for Forza 3? When they mentioned several features in GT that aren’t in Forza 3, they do not make it clear to the listener. But they ensured they did when it was the other way round and it hasn’t even been confirmed about it being part(or not) of GT 5.
At least I know where GTplanet stands, not a bunch of old pretenders with covert allegiances.
Guys:
FM is FM, GT is GT. ISR did an admirable job on this vid. Though I thought they where a little hard on GT. Last year around this time they gushed over FM3.
To reply to some other people on here. Damage is very important. Bouncing off walls with nothing to show but lost time is not racing. Getting a damaged car to the pit and having it fixed is real. Loss of engine performance, tranny, breaks, arrow…… Thats what makes a game good. Then to say “I don’t crash” or it’s not a crash sim, it’s a racing sim” is even worse. Tell that to the millions of race car crashes that happen by REAL race car drivers.
How about if you down shift too soon or too suddenly. In real life you just cooked your tranny. Damage isn’t just what you see, it’s the whole package. I think some of you guys need to give your head a shake and join this gen in sim racers!!
So what you’re saying is the performance and handling impact of damage is important. How it visually looks isn’t that important is it?
I think this what most people are trying to point out.
bit of Forza brown-nosing, but not bad I guess, we all know it will demolish Forza so no need to be to offended :P
ENOUGH SAID!!!
“For the past 2 to 3 years I have been harping on at numerous forums how I’m not entirely convinced that Polyphony Digital actually know what the hell they are doing.
GT4 was a splendid game for the time, the physics were great for a PS2 and ‘semi’ realistic racer (see: Proper PC Sims for insane physics but much much more niche) the menu music was nice and I liked how they didn’t throw cars at you like dollar notes to a stripper, I had to ‘bond’ with my first car and work my way up with it. I had that MX5 for about 50 races.
Now, if you actually read any articles and interviews, the GT guys seem to want to add every single possible gametype to the game.
WRC, F1, Nascar, ‘standard’ racing cars and of course modified real cars too. Apparently they are going to be able to handle the driving physics and engines for all these types (oh and motorbikes in the latest news articles!)
I think they are diluting the hell out of the game just trying to throw anything and everything at it.
Forza has a few good things going for it, for one it has probably some of the best rumble and audio queues in a racing game since Rallisport challenge 2. As ridiculous as it sounds, you feel as if you really can feel the track / wheel traction just from a controller. The audio is very good at distinguishing traction, the rumble is just right and combined they work well.
GT however has been re-using the same ‘arcade style’ traction squeel which sounds like it came out of Outrun since GT3.
No, I’m not joking, go and play GT3, GT4, GT4 Prologue, GT5 Prologue, GT5 Limited Jap demo, GT HD Concept and finally GT Academy – the tire squeel sound is not only the same, it’s just plain annoying!
While I’m at it, they keep releasing things like GT HD Concept, GT5 Jap Demo, GT5 Prologue, GT Academy (Europe series and Aus/NZ series!) and I believe I’m missing one of the GT5 demos too… can I just be blunt and say, where the heck is the game for goodness sakes? Now in the time that GT4 has shipped, Turn 10 under Microsoft have shipped Forza 1, Forza 2 and Forza 3, furthermore it’s not like they “madden’d!” the Forza series, each game had quite a fair while between each release with substantial changes to them and improvements.
Example Forza 1 and 2 had crappy emo rock thrashy music in the menus which just got on your nerves, whereas GT4 – credit where credit is due had this very laid back elevator style music you could (and would) comfortably listen to all day in a 12 hour rainy Sunday racing and upgrading session. Now Forza 3 has some pretty relaxed menu beats, rewind feature (best thing EVER for anyone who isn’t an extreme racer) You’ve got brilliant graphics, a car trading and buying system – etc.
Also if you listened to the 1up podcasts about 18 months back Shane Bettenhausen quoted the Polyphony GT guys as basically saying “we’re the best, we don’t care about the competition we literally haven’t even seen Forza 1 or 2” this arrogance frankly pisses me off as I just want a good product from both companies. Forza 2 most certainly WAS worth PD looking at, there are several improvements. (FWIW They finally did sneak a peak at F3 mid 2009 if I recall, the game was delayed a few months later)
So why am I posting this? I’m basically sick of speaking to mates or anyone really about games and when GT comes up it’s “wow, amazing, best ever, insane!” along with “GT5 will be best/better/amazing” along with “Forza is arcadey shit” (Me:) “Have you played it?” “Nah but I’ve seen it!” – that’s a real conversation I’ve had with not 1 but 2 normally intelligent people.
I love my PS3, vastly more than my 360 and genuinely dislike the business model of XBLive Gold, dislike the nickel and diming, dislike the reliability issues and I still purchased a 360 JUST for Forza 3 and it was worth every cent.
I may as well get the whole rant out there.
GT5 Prologue, no car modding? for 60$ AUD (40$ US?) you have to be bloody joking!
Also, I may be called a heathen but between the good feedback audio, controller rumble, FOV width, camera postitions and overall driving ‘feel’ – I genuinely and honestly feel that Forza 3 is a vastly superior game to drive in than GT, which simply feels ‘broken’ to me, especially the new GT Academy, my god that handles awfully, it just isn’t right. The FOV is off, the bumper / hood cam is in the wrong spot and it feels like it turns ‘wrong’
So to any Sony lovers or racing lovers, please for the love of god just give Forza an honest to god sit down and try, because I’ve personally gotten 30 hours out of it already and I haven’t even scratched the surface, it really is a genuinely fun game with a good overall package. Even if you’re an insane GT Fanboy and convinced GT5 will be superior, they STILL haven’t shown us the money, – you may as well at least try the full game from the competition, because there’s technically no proper sequel to even GT4 out yet. It’s been five YEARS since GT4, put up or shut up people!
Finally, I don’t work for MS, nor do I work for Turn 10 – just bloody tired of the GT hype, stop promising things for the sake of sounding the best and PRODUCE something!”
The sounds in GT5 have been improved..(not sure if enough though).. they certainly need some serious work.
I found Forza 3 very dissapointing from a handling perspective.. self steering and arcade like.. the more I play it the less I want to.. I prefer Forza 2
…this also goes for sounds in FM3.. in FM2 I believe that sounds were overlayed.. sports exhaust, induction etc.. what happened??
Also, Tyre smoke has vanished in FM3…
Finally, despite all this, I know which game I will prefer and by quite a margin.. anyone want to buy an xbox 360 with FM2 FM3 and a vague feeling MS steering wheel??
Wow, yet another person that doesn’t seem to know that the forza active steering can be turned off…
I could believe that once in awhile one might run across a person that doesn’t know how to turn it off, but when you see has many people claim it has you do, you start to think that all of them are desperate GT fanboys, and that none of them have actually played the game.
I mean really people, if you want to argue against the competition, that’s everyone’s right, but at least use legitimate and truthfull talking points to do it.
@MagicAyrton: If you’d like a descent steering wheel on your xbox try fanatac. The Turbo S is also compatible with the X360. I use it on the PS3 and I like it.
@NotaSonyEmployee: If you encounter this kind of statement so often maybe it’s not as obvious as you think.
@Nemesis. Could you give me more details about the fanatec wheel? How does it compare to the G25/27? Just wondering because I want to avoid buying 2 wheels at all costs.
Since this could get to be lengthy and it’s off-topic I opened a forum topic for it.
It seems to need approval by the mods first. After it has been approved I’ll post the link here.
It’s named “Fanatec Turbo S PS3/XBOX360/PC” and I posted it in http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=163
“Forza is to Gran Turismo as Road and Track is to Top Gear.
Forza is about cars. Gran Turismo is about driving. Until i see crazy shit like the Model T, crazy 60’s racers, and the DeLorean in Forza, no sale. Gran Turismo is a love letter to the car. Forza’s a book report.”
Whilst there are some very good PC racing sim games out there, I think we shouldn’t get too caught up in opinions. Every game has its strengths and weaknessess. However, one thing is for sure, GT5 certainly has the most realism in terms of a way the cars behave, certainly the road cars – nothing else comes close. You only have to see the people behind a game like this – KY himself who races, Sebastian Loeb, GT Academy and many more. It may not have all the tracks or great engine noises, but for this game alone is the reason why I bought a PS3.
i dont really see any new info from this video, quiet a waste. Also, i dont think those guys ever played GT4 before.
They have absolutely no knowledge of the culture that is GT within the overall racing community. Just a couple of guys who decided (a few years ago) to put bread on their table off PC sim racing and are doing a half-a**ed job of evaluating console racing.
Thanks for the video and thoughts on the game.
It has been a long wait, I just hope it doesn’t disappoint me, so far it’s looking more like it will.
The only innovations I see are driving realism (which has been announced every single GT game, although this one will be better, it can get better on the next ones GT10 in 25 years :) ) with limited damage (that doesn’t seem real to me); 3D; Face tracking. Which by the way the latter 2 don’t really count that much for me as I won’t be investing that much money on it.
Nothing about appearance customization and how detailed will it be rather than the basic rims and color it used to had, engine customization, will it go into more detail than the last ones?, new types of racing such as drift contests, drag racing.
I’m gonna race 1000 cars in 20 tracks?? What will keep me glued to this game rather than driving realism? Will I have the feel that I personally own a car and can tune it in thousands different ways so I can love it and race it in many different locations, and then do it all with the other 999?
So far all interviews I’ve seen they speak about 20 tracks, even if it’s locations, unless those locations are “countries” and even so, I don’t see that many tracks.
Gonna admire the realism of it all for a certain time and then get bored of the same thing. What will make this game special? I don’t see much differences from the last games. I will still buy it, but I feel like I’ve waited so long and put my expectations so high that it will be hard to feel like it’s a new game, instead it seems to me like it will feel like a normal GT for PS3 as the prologue was just a tease. The game gauges are still the same as prologue, the timing counters..
Hell for this much wait I would expect a sandbox type of game or perhaps a highway at least 200kms long to travel with the car in real traffic, and realistic graphics and physics. That would be cool.
2 “mistakes” that shows how reliable those two ISR guys are
1) Anyone who played GT5:P and the TT demo can tell you that the later felt different,better or worse is a matter of opinion..But Different,NOT the same.
2)It’s NOT 20 Tracks,it’s 20 LOCATIONS
… Amateurs
I can’t speak for GT5 but I don’t think any of the previous GT titles have been particularly ‘realistic’. I too have been playing Live For Speed for a while now, and I hope GT5 is at least as good as this – but we’ll see.
I think GT is more about recreating the ‘feel’ of driving a car, with an emphasis on each car having its own ‘character’. This is not realism! It might be labeled as “The Real Driving Simulator” but lets face it, GT is a console racing game – not a driving simulator. It has a different market and was made with different intentions. Kaz might strive for realism in GT, but I think it’s realism in the ‘experience’ of GT, not the actual physics of the cars themselves. By this I mean, GT is a game that makes someone sitting infront of a TV with a little controller feel like they are driving a car. But this isn’t realism per se. A ‘real’ driving sim on the other hand would be completely unplayable with a standard controller. (And yes I know you can play GT with a wheel, but the game is still designed for controller use as well and this affects how the game physics are implemented)
I love GT and will buy GT5 for sure, but I think a lot of people here need to stop treating GT like it is a God amoung driving sims. It isn’t. It’s just a really really good console racer.
As an aside, I remember reading ages ago Kaz saying he never wanted to put damage into GT until it could be done properly, because other games only featured ‘unrealistic’ damage. Funny then that NOTHING I have seen so far compares to the best damage modelling from other games and 800 or so cars will only have basic scratches and dents. Can’t wait to see what the final, premium car damage looks like but I have a feeling Kaz might be eating his words!
Am I the only one who think that the paddle shifting animations look really reallllly bad? The stick shift animation is good and I love the fact that the driver will put his hand on the stick before the actual shift.
The paddle shifting however…. There is absolutely no reason for the driver to anticipate the shifting. That’s the whole point of using a paddle shifter is that you don’t have to take your hand off the steering wheel to shift. I also think that the actual shift animation is too “pronounced”. Normally, you should be able to simply shift with the tip of you fingers while you are holding the wheel without having to move your whole hand.
Anyway, overall this is a minor thing but still, it annoys me everytime I see cockpit view videos.
Good video to keep us going! But I always find it hilarious (and somewhat annoying) when Americans pronounce it Gran TurEEsmo!
What’s the correct pronunciation? I was taught, in Spanish, that the letter “i” is pronounced “ee”. I just figured Italian had the same pronunciation.
Gran-tur-is-mo
I thought it was man furismo….. ;)
or was it man-fur-ees-mo….
I think they meant INTERIOR VIEW (for replays etc.) not COCKPIT VIEW . . .
Still hoping . . .
Good grief that Sony guy is worthless. Game is four months out, spill the dang beans already. And while I’m not a huge ISR fan at least these guys are reading the forums and trying to clear up the confusion. Who else is doing that? Kudos to them for getting what news they can.
@Caasimun. Actually Forza was first with the livery editor on the original Xbox.
I’ve never understood how this makes a racing game better.
I don’t know that it does, though I won’t say it doesn’t for other people. I will say I’ve spent massive amounts of time with the livery editor when I don’t feel like a race though, so I do get enjoyment from it.
“quote by GT Fan
It’s a real shame GTPlanet has now be taken over by 14 year old fanboys, this place has been great for years.
The sooner GT5 is out and the kids leave this place the better!”
Couldn’t agree more,this website has become a joke.What used to be a great forum for Gt fans has been ruined by these teenage idiots.
This is true, but not all these teenagers are immature fanboys, it’s just you occasionally get the idiotic whingers with the mentality of a 10 year old who complain about the pathetic little things that don’t really change the game. And they are the ones you remember, and therefore stereotype.
I should know, I am that age after all ;)
As far as ISR is concerned Forza invented the console sim racer genre. And if they’d like to believe that, then they can go ahead. I personally won’t waste my time on them.
From the information we’ve been given so far, I definitely agree that GT5 has been spread out pretty thin. 20 locations across 3 or 4 different racing series is pretty small. Hopefully the track editor is good (and real… he didn’t seem too convinced in the video).
What’s the point of even including NASCAR if they are only going to have a few official NASCAR tracks. And more importantly, if there won’t be 43 cars on the track. THAT is what makes NASCAR special, especially with the new double-file restarts… They pile all of the cars within mere inches from each other going 2 and 3 wide at 180 mph. THAT is NASCAR.
gt5 took over nascar because ea isnt going to be doing nascar games for a while since they lost a bunch of sales and for the simple fact that the last two games sucked. so nascar would be dead on consoles without gt5. and nascar does road courses too, which is why kaz said theyll be able to race any track. they just did infineon a couple wks back.
48 in a lounge? Isn’t it 32?
No F1 cars?
There will be F1 cars, at least the Ferrari F2007, and I think I read here somewhere that other real life F1 cars would be included. But the License (for the F1 racing series) is what he’s talking about.
Offical site update:”Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views”
http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html
Hmm. The US site is quite clear on that. The strange thing is though is that the UK site doesn’t contain this comment. We’ll just have to wait to be sure.
The Dutch, German, Belgium and Russian site don’t even have this page this news page…
how annoying is this guy in the interview… give us some real info, i dont think i can take his “undisclosed” on everything
Ok after digging around and doing some careful reading, it seems as though a lot of people are a little upset about the crappy looking damage. I kind of am also. I hate it when things like this don’t live up to your expectations. I’ve seriously considered abandoning the gt5 franchise mainly because the exclusion of damage. Real time deformation to be exact. When I see certain simulations such as Live for Speed and Rfactor for the pc I see just how much a game like gran turismo is lacking. I have played lfs for a long time now and feel like the tire deformation and damage are very advanced and cannot be matched as of yet by any console racer.
But, I will say this. PD says in one of gtppanets previous articles that “standard cars” will all have scratches, dents and dirt, as well as parts thy due fall off. However only premium cars will have deformable parts that fall off. So basically it seems as though although we are seeing premium cars in the video getting hit, I believe that their respective damage levels were all set to basic or “standard” damage. Maybe to have a surprise in the upcoming months when we see full damage. Such as popped tires, crushed or torn apart fenders and completely destroyed vehicles. For this I will buy another ps3 and a new gt27 logitech racing wheel.
As far as the interiors are concerned. I believe from all the info there is available , standard interiors will be basic, probably with more elaborate usage of bump mapping and low polygon modeling. The premium cars will probably be very high poly modeling with lots of bump mapping or normal mapping. Either way, any interior is better than no interior. Or even re stupid roof mounted view…
you don’t play this game to crash your car… you play to race, so scrapes should be all you need, realistically speaking. i don’t care about cockpit view at all, i would rather have more tracks than a more detailed interior. there are so many legendary tracks in the gt5 franchise, i don’t think it was worth sacrificing that legend for more detail… i would have been happy with just an upscaled tracks, thats why i can’t wait for them to announce DLC, if it ever happens.
Well, mabey he plays it to crash cars. That’s mostly what I did with Grid. What someone does with the game is their choice.
The show is what it is, but they are so nervous and twitchy in front of the camera… I thought they could’ve come up with a solution to take the edge off by now.
They just need a little ethanol/moonshine.
Anybody else out there thinking that f1 is going to be dlc that we have to pony up extra cash for?
the game will have F1 cars in but i seriously doubt they will purchase the F1 liscence for GT5.
Nope, Codemasters purchased the exclusive rights from Sony a couple years ago.
its gonna be one car w/diff. colors just like gt4. no license so no official decals and such. just like forza did with their nascar-test cars, cause pd already had the license bought. so they have a blank canvas that paint your own way.
Guys notice in this GT5 preview video he addresses to Forza fans as “Forza owners and drives”
and in the FM3 preview videos he addresses to GT fans as “GT fanboys”
thats immature. No one should give them any credit for their immature attitude.
That sounds like a mighty fanboy-like thing to care about!
It tells you the amount of objectivity you should hope for when gleaning information from them.
Only 20 tracks?
Not…..20 locations,but maybe.
According to this:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/06/18/a-chat-with-kazunori-yamauchi-creator-of-gran-turismo/#comment-416321
There will be 40 tracks with 100+ variations.
20 location, 70 track layout.
.
As an example, Daytona has Daytona Oval and Daytona Road course.
Not this again!! Sigh
I have a feeling most of the guys on this board are a lot more hardcore racers than those guys from inside sim racing.
I have a feeling my cat is going to pee on my desk chair when I leave the room.
It’s a real shame GTPlanet has now be taken over by 14 year old fanboys, this place has been great for years.
The sooner GT5 is out and the kids leave this place the better!
I love how the fanboys are up in arms the minute anyone says anything remotely negative by any means over GT5. If it’s not 200% praising PD, Sony, Kaz or GT franchise, its better to just keep the flamesuit on. These guys are great in my book, and give their most honest opinion on games and products and like mentioned if they have any bias it is towards PC sims.
GT5 is looking phenomenal and I really can’t wait until November 2nd! I’m actually looking forward to what these guys say when they have their final released copy in their hands and some time to try everything out. They’ve already made some great solid points but fanboiz b fanboiz.
im looking forward to they views when they do the F3 vs GT5. should be a great watch.
They did a great job on the interview, but the review of the GT5 demo is quite off, saying Forza 3 is the same as GT5 without doing a proper setting will ignite a fanboy war. I like their show, too, and they manage to get me to sign up on Iracing, because of their great reviews, but I agree on what Boom said.
forza physics weren’t that bad, in fact they are pretty good. but forza doesnt have a lose of grip after you transition from off-pavement to pavement, theyre dragstrip has absolutely no traction giving a false sense of hope to get a rwd car to manage a wheelie stand like they marketed in the intro, or headlights, highbeams, horns, day-night transitions, night races period, 500-1000+ choices to choose from.
Yup, the dragstrip traction thing was a dissapointment. Wasn’t even remotely entertaining. Just buy a car, max it out for its class, tweak the gear ratio, and almost a garanteed win every time. I think I spent more time purposely crashing against the walls and going for “most massive damage” personal bests, than I did actually drag racing.
Hi Daren and Shaun, thanks for such a good review on gt5 which I felt was most rewarding so far. Thanks. Actually I love your shows all along until u said FTP physics same as forza3. I played both slot and I really don’t agree. Upset but then your this review really bring back fans support. Tks again.
LMAO on the trolls. Oh well this is how it is anyway. I don’t trust ISR when it comes to console game review, because they are more of a PC gamer. And since they are more bias (IMO) towards American product, I can’t blame them forr being an American. I hope someone make some type of SIMracing show in Europe, since they are more enthusiast in motor sports and cars, I would would gladly support it.
these guys dont know anything
Man what a tough crowd.. hehe.. Jordan thanks for posting the show.
The only offense I took to the negative comments was that we are paid by MS.. To those, I say.. I WISH !! FYI, Sony has supported us as much as Microsoft which really isn’t much at all.. Sending us copies of games to review is hardly being paid by them.
We’re entitled to our opinions, just like you all are.. Sorry if you don’t like it, noone is forced to watch it, or has to pay to watch it.
To our supporters, thanks for watching and for defending us.
Also, I’ll make it clear here.. I like what GT5 has to offer over Forza 3. What else should I compare GT5 to ? No matter what anyone says, I like Forza and always will.. It’s currently the best racer on the consoles. (until November 2nd).
In regards to hard core sim racing, neither compare to iRacing. Feel free to meet me there so I can show you how much this “old geek” sucks at racing.. ;-)
Darin Gangi
Most of us here are not idiots, we buy all racing games from Arcade to Simulators on PC consoles you name it, and also most of us here including me own real cars, so we very well know what we’r talking about, im a PC sim fan, i like GT because of car library it has
if your entitled to our opinions, so im i
so may i ask why didn’t you mentioned in your FM3 review and tell everybody that FM3 has Permanent Driving Aid and Active Steering which takes away all the real feel and simulation of each car in the game, FM3 sure has some great sim features, but not in driving, that why it not a console sim, sorry but what say it not my opinion, its fact…
Saying FM3 “drives like a real car” and ignoring the fact that is has Permanent Driving Aid and Active Steering is totally wrong, my advice is to you guys need to stick to PC racing games and stop with your so called opinions that only drives fanboys and make flames on sites and forums…
lol. I haven’t played Forza 3 yet but I thought the 30+ minute video was actually really good. That was the first time I have seen head tracking in action, as well as hearing a confirmation that there will be 16 player online races like we saw with GT5p. Overall the video was awesome, it’s just too bad Sony/PD is so tight lipped on everything right now.
You can say what you want, but this was not an objective item from your side. You even apologize to Forza when GT5 is better as it comes to online racing.
@Darin: Thanks for replying here, you’re right the GT fans are pretty tough on you guys so I admire you standing up for yourself.
I’m sure you won’t reply here again (can’t blame you – no need to feed the trolls) but let me say thanks for taking the time to make the video. Sure it contained a lot of info already out there, but it also confirmed and clarified a few things from people who really have seen GT5 and/or spoken with Kaz.
I also really liked your thoughts on the 3D and head tracking, having recently seen 3D on the PS3 myself I’m super excited for 3D in GT5.
By way of feedback, I’ve played plenty of Forza 3 and I watched your vid review when it came out and I have to say… you did seem to gush over it just a little too much – missing some of the pretty obvious flaws. Having said that, it’s a very entertaining title and I still play it today.
As a result, console sim fans like the people here kinda think you favour FM3 and won’t/aren’t giving GT5 it’s due credit. I thought you had PLENTY of nice things to say about GT5 in that video, but there were also some back handed slaps too which you didn’t seem to want to do with your FM3 review.
Can I request please, when you do your FM3 – GT5 shootout later this year, please don’t forget the following:
* Wheels – How many wheel they support, quality, SETTINGS, FFB etc.
* Online – Total experience. Cost.
* Sound – FM3 has been strong here… can it still win?
* Trackurracy – hahaha I think I just made up a new word! Yes, which tracks are more accurate?
* History – Please don’t make the mistake of saying GT5 has copied this or that feature from FM3 if older GTs had it first!
* Cockpits – Form, FUNCTION, and beauty.
* Replays – Forza cameras make me sad – they ruin replays. GT5P I could watch all day. But, FM3 has really good control, including movie making. Can GT5 bring it?
Good luck.
@Darin Gangi
Lol, I’ve got a real nice bullseye, with velcro, so you can attach it onto the back of a sweater for wearring purposes. Wanna borrow it?… ;)
@Sam
Ummm, the forza driving aids and active steering are not permanent. You can turn them off. That’s probably why they didn’t mention them has permanent in their review. So, basically the one thing you argue against forza, using it has your main argument that it’s not a console sim, is some made up “fact”. Wierd.
Excellent comment Sam but you are wasting your time and effort as you won’t get a true reply addressing ANY of your valid and proven points by, about or from ISR. They don’t spend the proper dedication to console gaming let alone GT to be given any sort of praise or props.
The amount of misinformation that ISR continually speaks is nothing short of down right aggravating. Just because they have a hot P.O.A. (that I am sure they pay to “host”) doesn’t give them any added credibility or better stance on gaming/racing. What’s really funny is that even most GTPlanet-er’s have more basic knowledge about GT5 then these so-called “media professionals”. They are a joke and should stick with their elitist PC racers since that is what they ultimately placate and kiss up to.
Considering the only point he really seems to try and make is neither valid nor proven has he makes it based on a made up “fact”, that isn’t remotely true, I’d say I’d have to at least agree he’s wasting his time.
Woh woh woh woh didn’t anyone hear them say 48 player lobby? WOW 48 people on track? different classes on the track at once could make for a very fun experience on tracks like the Nurburgring. means lots of other people to overtake while im in front of the competition.
i still think the best news is yet to come and i think PD will blow us away with GT5 :).
Between now and Nov 2nd sweet news will make us all smile.
How does 48 people in a lobby (they actually called it a lounge) equal 48 people on track?
Gun = jumped!
Watch it again, they actually confirm 16 players on track.
yeah my bad. im watching it again and i see. still 48 people in a lobby. thats interesting.
I think you’ll have 16 players online racing but for the other 32 perhaps they can take part in the race as the spectate? I would LOVE to be someone’s spotter at Daytona for a NASCAR race. That would be awesome.
Oh man so many angry fanboys here ( especially GT fanboys sorry … ). ISR are much better drivers than you will ever be and no GT isnt the “ultimate” racing simulation you think it is . Be glad those pc sims racers praise it already and shut the hell up .
these isr idiots don’t know what there talking about and neither do you
Love ISR, they’re awesome, please support.!
I don’t support paid reviewers.
and they don’t know nothing about racing simulators.
It’s blindingly obvious that ISR were paid to support Forza.
Yeah, noticed that they said sorry to Forza. When they discussed how many people can play online in GT5
why you are talking about forza? and why ISR are? WTF?
We just have to wait until kaz breaks the full details in august to be 100% sure of tracks, weather, cockpit view for stamdard cars, etc….,
“if you are a forza owner you should be jelose of gt5.” great vid…
lol, I know what they are saying, but it’s a bit like being jelous of your new brother or sister a couple of years before they are even born.
What I really want to know is how the handling compares to GT Indy Time Trial – I really hope it’s similar, I think it was a big improvement over GT5P.
Another good video and at least they pressed for good questions unlike many of the what seems pre arranged/scripted interviews from some of the MAJOR gaming websites.
@NotaSonyEmployee ,well..some of the guys that got the game,well,exposed many things T10 were ‘hiding’ ,so Che Chou just looked like a fool cuz of it.at the end of the day,go check http://www.forzamotorsport.net ,its sad how T10 treats their customers.threads get locked for anything but praise to Forza3.Che Chou is never there anymore.bet he’s spending his bonuses.they’ll
ehh, now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection of something like that going on.
I don’t pay much attention to that stuff though. I’ve got used copies from game stop, of all the Forza releases, about march, but only to pass the time till gt5. Only got em because I had a gift certificate and the march GT release got postponed, and haven’t touched any of em in about 2 months. I also never bought dlc, so they can’t really call me a customer unless they get a kickback from gamestop.
If I was a loyal follower, then I’d probably have payed more attention, but then again if I payed more attention, I’d probably have abandoned them.
Hmmmm, sort of circular logic. Lol, getting a headache, and that’s why I think I better go back to not paying attention to that stuff….;)
Is this a joke?
GTplanet is this joke? why are you posting this video here?
they said it feels just like prologue, i was at the lemans i played the GT5 demo there and its not the same as prologue, GT5 demo was miles different than prologue, it felt similar to TT demo,
these guys obviously don’t like GT, and why did they always say “forza had it” “forza did that” is this video a promotion to FM3 or GT5?
they prised GT5 at the end of the vid and mentioned GTplanet, because they don’t want to lose the huge GT community…
They might not like GT, so what? They have the right to have an opinion. Are you paid by Sony or something?
If these guys are biased towards anything it’s PC racing anyway.
Physics might have been adapted again since the TT demo.
Or they played the demo on standard physics ;-)
It may not be a rocking eight on the Richter scale, like the full list of tracks directly from the PD board of directors would be, but this is still reporting news from the GT5 front.
To fully appreciate a situation, we need to understand what others feel about the same facts we already have and how they perceive and interpret them.
All news are good. Even if it’s bad, or just another angle of what we already know.
i remember these guys when they put forza2 against gt5p … that alone should tell you that these guys are bias toward forza, pitting a full game against a prologue. to me they have no creditability they are just lucky enough to to have a camera to make youtube videos
@xhris
I also remember that too. Alot of youtube people complained about how bias they are towards forza.
@Chris
Why military top secret number of tracks in GT5?
Because PD has a base in Area 51 and no one can see their GT5 black project.
I also fear that Nascar and Rally will suck. Not enough tracks, not enough cars (Nascar) and probably bad physics.
Great video guys btw.
I just hope they have old Nascar. I can deal with late 1980’s thru 1990’s, but I can’t stand the “car of the future”. If I want to see loud cars with lots of decals and a wing, I can go watch the locals run their tuner cars up and down the highway every night. lol
P.S. No offense to those who actually do like those cars. To each his or her own…
Meh, NASCAR races at Daytona will be the best you have ever experienced on a console since the days of Dirt to Daytona. It’ll stink not having all of those other tracks but perhaps that is what DLC is for.
WRC will suck without dedicated point-to-point stages. Toscana looks beautiful, but thats not what WRC is all about.
Not enough cars in Nascar? I could be mistaken but aren’t these virtually the same appart from the paint jobs.
@JesseDeya.
Video/11:09/:they say 20 tracks!!!Not locations!
dude,its 70 variations.20tracks.if these dudes say otherwise,it shows sloppy journalism
Thing is until PD come out and say exactly what tracks are in and how many there are, we are all still just speculating as to the number of tracks. I
Yes, but it is simply wrong. As far as i know the official facts are 20 Locations 70 variations. There is no ‘real’ tracknumber, still a secret. Correct me if i am wrong.
To me it seems like a half baked analysis. But there are still to many secrets about GT5 so we have to wait and bleed….äh i mean wait and see
It’s 20 tracks with 70 variations. Which in the end is still only 20 tracks, that you can do reverse, with a few variations, that you can also do reverse.
It’s 20 locations. There might be a big difference between location and track.
@NotAsonyEmployee ,well then you wouldnt have been on Neogaf forums last year a few months before the release of Forza3.Che Chou,being the Turn 10 community manager for damage control trolled Neogaf trying to stop the negative spin of FM3.He gave a bunch of people the green forza3 dev press discs.no print on the discs,no printed dvd case for the game etc.All for them to stop attacking the game and spread some love,Microsoft style
I’ll take your word for it. I just have a hard time imagining anyone taking a video game has a payoff to keep quiet about anything important. But then again, mabey a little bad spin on a video game is just that, not anything important.
The odd thing is though, if I run around talking about how crappy a given product is, I would be the first one shouting out to the world if the manufacturer tried to buy me off with the same product. Sounds like some people didn’t really believe in what they were saying.
Some of the comments on here are embarrassing and there’s is certainly no need for it.
LOL, it’s like when I was a teenager, hanging with local “farm boy” gearheads. They’d argue wich was better, Ford or Chevy.
I don’t think those arguments ever ended simply because each side’s belief in their paticular brand had been elevated to religious status, and where no longer based on much more than a desire not to admit that the other guy’s car wasn’t so bad after all.
Some of those arguments where embarrassing has well, and I never saw the need for it then either. Course I had a Mopar, what do I know?….lol
JORDAN !! THEY CONFIRMED IT IN THE ENLISH OFFICIAL WEB SITE !!
*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.
http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html
IM NOT BUYING THIS GAME ANYMORE BULLSHIT !!!
they fooled us like never before !!!!
They did an extremely good job. No sugar coating, and yet lots of positives to say.
Most importantly I was pleased to hear their comments about the force feedback and general wheel feel. Encouraging to say the least.
@MSH
*Standard cars do not support
vehicle interior camera views.
Aaaahhhh *crying*
unfortunately it’s true. Now it’s officially stated :(.
They should at least make it like the psp (black dashboard). So that we can drive with our wheels. It’s impossible (difficult as hell) to control the car from other angels if you are playing with a wheel and it feels unrealistic too.
By the way, now we know that the Cappuccino is a premium car! lol
Yep, no more discussion possible from now on.
I hope we’ll be able to visually tune those low end cars in addition to performance tuning.
Would be great to see these cars evolve from an every day production car to a track beast…
It’s officially stated that there will be no interior view to standard cars, thats correct. But standardcars also have a driver, a steering wheel, a dashboard, seats, as i can see in the standard cars video. Imo there will be cockpitview for every car but a 1 on 1 realistic interior view only for premium cars. But maybe i am to optimistic cause i also believe that the damage system will be the greatest ever seen. I also think that there is no demo or video out there which shows the final build of GT5. We have to wait till TGS’10 for further clarification.
I’m pretty sure that ‘vehicle interior camera views’ is referring to the replay mode and not the cockpit view. Therefore, I’m guessing that the replays of premium cars will pan in to show the drivers, cockpit and other gubbins for some extra awesome. In fact, I have noticed a few replays showing such views.
I still believe that standard cars will have a cockpit view.
LOL… TOO FUNNY!
What???Only 20 tracks????5 1/2 years waiting this game,and only 20 tracks???Why?:(
800 Standard cars.
20 tracks!!
No, it’s 20 locations, about 70 variations. That we know of.
GamePod – The choice of champions XD
One of the ads in the video was quite funny: “Use this Porsche Carrera racing wheel to enhance your GT5 expreience!”
The irony.
Are the Forza Fanboy Force trolling GT Planet?I suggest you go back to Forza 2,5.I swear Turn10 employees or even Che Chou,aka Chespace trolls here.he is known for doing that,as well as handing cash bribes for twisting net polls and giving free copies of forza3 to shut people up
LOL, I think the fanboy camps are about even in here today, but lol, copies of forza to shut people up? If you don’t mind me asking, exactly what is it that people shut up about for a copy of a video game?
Physics quite similar to Forza? Emmmm..sure couse he was driving with TC on and ASM.. turn that off and see what happens then… :D
Yeah and maybe they should be the same if they are both simulating real world? Right?
Have you played GT5?
4:40 GTPlanet ftw !!!
OMg.. I really hate ISR!! Bragging on nothing :S. All degrading comments on the game.. “Same as forza” Are you deaf, dump or just plain retarded :S! They are paid bij MS, and just talking to any forza fag, who is insecure about their choice of buying a Xbox.. And now trying to prevent them of upgrading to a ps3..
I never ever take any advice of those queers.. Not when it comes to GT and Forza comparrisons..
I guess you’ve played GT5 too…… Am I the only guy who hasn’t played this game yet?
Thanks, I love reading about conspiracies. It helps me ignore the russian thought control beams trying to get me to buy a Wii…
The russian thought control can be stopped by putting a metal colander on your head and wrapping yourself in kitchen foil…works for me :)
lmao
Rofl, I’m more interested in the comments than the video. Reading people having meltdowns over a forza comparison is worth a few bucks at least. Jordan should charge admission.
Face it people, it doesn’t matter if anybody here likes or dislikes the competition. When the competition is the only one to release in the last five years, it gets established and it’s going to be the default benchmark for this generation of console untill GT5 can solidly prove itself. GT5 is officially playing catchup for the time being. Anything that GT has that’s allready in forza is going to be compared, and much of it labeled “forza like”.
Assuming the november date holds, roles may very well reverse soon after, but has long has both companies are still in buisness, we’re going to be hearing comparrisons with each new version of either franchise. That’s what happens when you don’t deliver for half a decade, while your competition cranks stuff out.
GT5 is much easier to play than Forza 3, turn of everything in Forza 3 and you will hit everything. in GT5 you wont feel anything.
Forza is surely not as good as GT if Forza boys come here to see gt5 news lol
What what WHAT!?
Don’t feed the trool.
What are you talking about ? I turned everything off in Forza and can drive my 900HP Supra or 950HP Skyline just fine. Well, “just fine”, most of the time they struggle for grip :)
But then they die, and the corpses stink up the place. Mabey we should hire a trapper, then send them to a reserve or something…..
Fail.
Stop replying to this guy, its what he wants …
Seriously … stop it
Is that meant to be some sort of ironic joke? Take a look at this gameplay footage, and tell me then that Gran Turismo 5 is “easier to play” than Forza.
youtube.com/watch?v=C0zO41mr9-I
FORZA SUCKS
gt5 is the hero ..forza is the zero
I honestly think they need to throw more info on WRC.Im a F1 fan,but ask any F1 driver whats the toughest race type in the world,they’d say WRC.Nascar..well.Its cars,yeah I like cars.but I think Kaz is focusing too much on it.though,that might be Sonys doing,wanting PD to focus on the american market.I mean,GT is always going to appeal to the euro and pal region market more.Still,cant say I wont be dissapointed if I see standard cars have no interior,yet most of 2010 PD have spent making Nascar and its cars for the game.they had how many?,12 Nascars at E3? And their currently making more…rather have more premiums….,maybe the euro guys would agree more.I just hope it isnt mostly supercars that get only get interiors.I want the corrola Trueno etc to also have cockpits.
exactly, too much effort on little things and nascar.
The GTPlanet shout-out was DEFINITELY appreciated. It’s always great to feel relevant. I’m glad I heard the WRC mentioned since most of the real racing attention has been on NASCAR. I picked up something saying, what… 78 stages of rallying? The only true rally-style course in Gran Turismo history was [the abbreviated] Pikes Peak Hill Climb in Gran Turismo 2. The WRC bit is what I’ve taken away the most from that video.
Again, a quality site that gets a shout-out from somebody is definitely appreciated. The trickle-down effect goes down to all of us who visit GTPlanet regularly (like myself). That shout-out was well-deserved, as well.
I agree wrc is what people should be getting excited about. Nascar is racing in circles. wrc is winding through trees and blasting through desert. Hope that they get proper stages apposed to stupid rallycross courses
No, they didn’t say there was 78 stages of rallying, they said the new WRC game coming out (which just does rallying) will have 78 stages of rallying.
Their point is that with GT5 spreading 70 odd tracks across 1000 cars and several categories of racing, they feel it might be spread a little thin.
Of course, all that will change if the track editor is both real and awesome ;).
they need more tracks
I think they said that there should be about 78 stages to be real rallying, but in a huge game like this, things like that can not be expected.
Cool they mention GTPlanet
standard cars cockpit view ? quite playing games with my heart
Well, I share their passion for racing, but obviously, the guys are not that much into racing as they should be. They haven’t asked the correct questions and don’t even really care about specific improvements, as it seems.
I like the work, however the shows and the viewpoint of the moderators may work good for american customers, but here in europe we have more passion for details, information and accuracy.
All in all I believe it’s a cultural thing, not that anything is good or bad. It even reflects in the car industry itself. Europe has Porsche, Ferrari, cars with avantgarde innovations like from Citroen or guys like Adrian Newey who try to master aerodynamics in the most preceise way, while americans prefer rather simple (but cool) muscle cars with soft springs and good sound.
It’s the same with the shows. From my viewpoint, I wonder how they can call themself sim racers, if they have less knowledge about it than my mother (it’s the truth). I think it’s unacaptable to compare GT5 with Forza. Both games have nothing in common, if you ask me.
The only real (but bad) info from the show is that you can’t wrack cars, which is not a surprize. Still it sucks to have this silly unrealistic damage system, no real simulation fan has asked for. It probably would have been better to have no damage at all. After all it’s a racing simulation, not an arcardish crash racing game.
I totally agree with your opinion ;-)
I’m afraid the powerful NA consumer market has taken it’s toll on so many great things. Companies want to please the 300 million + stronghold, who can blame them, and we see this everyday with the new automotive designs released from European and Japanese manufacturers, they scream “made for America”. Things are just getting bigger, uglier, and full of tack.
If I had a choice, I would have opted out for damage in a heartbeat, unless PD was able to realistically recreate, to a certain degree, the crumple zones in the cars and reflect truly the mechanical impairment that occurs. I’m just glad not more of the rewind feature rumor has been mentioned.
These two guys are clueless about what they are talking about, they strike me as wannabe racers that pimp out their camaros or mustangs. Wouldn’t be surprised if they opt for automatic transmissions (j/k).
I’m not totally certain they are using the word physics correctly whenever they mention it. As for GT & Forza similarities, apples and lemons, no way about it. Take everything they have to say with a grain of salt.
So much complaining on this site, it’s pretty sad. Their opinions are not yours so who cares.
My opinions are mine so who cares :p
It’s a garbage video posted on a site that I respect and visit everyday. I’m just venting here :)
I think this is going to be like the iPhone 4, great product BUT A HUGE LET DOWN. The reason they are not releasing the IMPORTANT INFORMATION is because they don’t have any, NO F1, NO COCKPIT VIEW for all cars. This is why they will not talk about it now.
Shhhh…..Blasphemy…..Thy soul shall roast in the fires for your heresy….lol j/k
starfox550 Prefer real simulators, what a joke.
i prefer real life racing, don’t make silly comments if you don”t know what your chatting about, i’ve done enough real life racing in my life to judge which sim racers mimics the real life better IMO GT5 is as good as it gets.
played GT5, Iracing, rFactor etc enough to make a good judgement.
@Slickmotion
What?
He may very well be hugely dissapointed by GT5, which is his right. In which case his stated opinion would be accurate and true.
Why would any supposed racing experience qualify your opinion of how good a game is over anyone elses opinion of said game?
Yes, it would qualify you to testify on the realism factor, but indeed, it does not give you any jurisdiction over how mickey, nor anyone else, will feel about the game. Nor does it certify your opinion of overall quality has the one everyone else should respect has fact. Which sim is better, or wether we are satisfied or dissapointed with a given program, is up to each of us to decide for ourselves.
Now you may or may not have all this racing experience. I don’t know. I do know that such claims are common justification used by fanboys in thier arguments, however, so forgive me if I don’t take your word for it.
Using such claims of qualification, to justify saying that someone elses opinion that GT5 is not going to be the end all, be all of car sims, if only has far has they are concerned, is not only clearly bad judgment, it also what I would call posting silly comments.
Ahhh, I get it, you hit the wrong reply button. Now your post makes some kind of sense.
Ok, nevermind. Sounded like a troll attack on mickey…
ohh, and forgot to appologize for the friendly fire….
My bad.
who cares if they have F1? Codemasters purchased the license for that so I don’t see how they would be allowed to have any F1 cars. As for cockpit view, if that one feature keeps you from buying the game then all I have to say is how did you ever play past GT games? None of those (GT-GT4) had a cockpit view.
dalejrfanfreak, what you just posted is that of a true gt gamer. I agree with you 100%. if all you want is a cockpit then go out and get forza. they should just drop the issue. i enjoy seeing my car in action and being weary of my environment just like i did in gt1,2, and 4. people should be happy to have the 200 premiums. i have forza only because of the liveries and it was inbetween gt4 and 5. it hasnt peaked 500 cars even with all the dlc cars its putting out of cars we dont want. gt5 will have everything that forza doesnt have but wants and for that im thankful.
I cant see,Im at work :( ,did they mention ANYTHING about *whispers* interiors/standard cars? or the relationship between standard cars in Gt5 and their counterparts in Gt4
Nope…
The US Gran Turismo website has been updated and now clearly states that Standard cars don’t support interior camera views.
@MSH June 16,2010 is updated huh?
this is a job for “mythbusters” :) I do belive that ALL cars will be with interior.. just not as detailed as premium models.. mark my words! ;) (I think the reason is why they dont tell us is becosue to hold off evolution to other racing games and to surprize US even more!) its not the first time PD do things like this.
They are two old geeks, which love Forza. How can you say the Physics are the same as GTP. Everyone know the Physics engine in GT5 is a total rebuild from the ground up, if you have played the time trial and GTP with a steering you would know that the physics are totally different.
two old geeks that dont know what they are talking about.
The prologue physics engine is completly difrent from the time trial demo.meaning,these guys suck.and are confused.
I agree ! time trial physicx was sick ! besides gt5p ! like when you bounce of a wall … and the way the car stops moving after losing control … totally different from prologue … and the tires performance on diffirent ground element . (was I the only one doing endless shifting rpm on that little black spot with yellow lines.. and then when you reaches the circuit ground it gripped like hell and the car was going crazy) that was awsome lol but I think these guys are ok .. ! 3d looks ok like they said … but the thing with head tracking is i think …. you move your head and not your eyes !!! thats why each time he was doing head tracking he looses control of the car .. because hes not even watching the TV …do the test lol “” try to move your head and follow this blog “” the only way they should do that is extremely precise tracking of head .. but again .. should be an “eye tracking”
that was exactly what i was thinking. physics of time trial are not at all the same as gtp. might be for people that never play the game it feels the same like all chinese people look the same if you don’t know them… these guys talk shit. they add no review-depth. we need people reviewing that really know what they are talking about!
ElieTheBear: You can move your eyes while moving your head.
They know how to use head tracking, they use TrackIR so they know about the ‘eyes-on-screen’ thing.
@ slickmotion They Prefer real simulators e.g rFactor,Iracing,NetCar pro,Simbin Titles over Forza and any console title for that matter, this is what they will compare GT5 to more than anything.
Unlike the rest of you they don’t spend 24/7 playing prologue, Hence why they say they are similar
They are PC sim racers and sid they prefer GT5 over Forza in the review. Sheesh you kids don’t quite. They primarily play iRacing and rFactor… I’ve raced with them.
tarfox550 Prefer real simulators, what a joke.
i prefer real life racing, don’t make silly comments if you don”t know what your chatting about, i’ve done enough real life racing in my life to judge which sim racers mimics the real life better IMO GT5 is as good as it gets.
played GT5, Iracing, rFactor etc enough to make a good judgement.
@SlickMotion. Ive done real life racing and I must agree with you. I think iRacing and Rfactor are much more realistic than GT5 Prologue or the Time Trial demo.
@slickmotion, you’ve played GT5??? When??
Have they said stuff about rallying physics in the sum up?
I can’t view this right now and would like to know if they have.
no not really
Nice that they congratulate you on your amazing website Jordan! Not much news however, most of this we already know.
they say 20 tracks!!! they are wrong!!! supposedly the tracks are going to be more comprehensive than gt4! So 60+ tracks. 5 years 20 tracks??? they need to shut their supposed smart mouths!
Iam sorry, but 20 tracks is allready confirmed. 20 tracks, 70 variations, you can find it on the official homepage.
Some time ago PD said that all tracks from GT4 on PS2, will be on full GT5, so in GT4 was 50+ tracks, so its, impossible, ridiculous, stupid and total fail. If my favorite game will have 20 tracks (dont care about variations) its just impossible knowing how PD works, I bet they will have 20 countries and 70 tracks on them!
@Cluster85: Actually if you’d like to be precise it’s 20 locations. Which does not directly mean 20 tracks.
A “location” refers to a country (Germany, for example). Unlike Turn 10, Polyphony don’t mislead people by counting track sectors as variations. A “variation” refers to an entire track. (The Nürburgring, for example)
“Quite SIMILAR To Forza” ??
HELL NO! You’re talking about the difference between a normal racing game and the Only Real Driving Simulator.
Your trying to be funny right? The only real driving simulator? If you think that then you obviously havent played any real simulators because GT definately as real as the others available. Im not saying Forza is better either.
It’s certainly, with the exception of Race Pro, the only true “driving simulator” available on consoles. The word “simulator” is applied far too loosely nowadays. I can’t believe Forza is considered to be a sim.
LOL, these people had me rolling about with laughter.. Forza 3 is an arcade-like Joke of a game.. I play Forza 2 on my xbox360 from time to time.. it sounds and plays a lot better.. ok no dash view, but FM3’s unfinished cockpits are scary bad.. I simply can’t wait until Gran Turismo 5 comes out.. despite all of its (possible) shortcomings.
Interesting, given that many people, including some credible reviewers I have read, who argue against forza 3, make the claim that it is exactly like forza 2, with a few minor improvements. Hence the nickname forza 2.5.
Jessica is for me
you should check out the G27 reveiw with her in a yellow dress. flippin amazing
Yep, its pretty famous now. She even mentions it in her deicated thread page on their site.
wow, you made my day! she really rocks with the yellow dress
As long as we have a constant flow of GT5 goodness going through the IV needle, 4 more months won’t be too bad ;)
He can’t tell them anything. very annoying. ‘again that’s something we can’t discuss right now’. I bet he can but he just dosn’t know.
I agree.
When it coming to sim racing news and reveiws…
Inside Sim Racing is the place…
And GTPlanet
Indeed.
thx jordan… and awesome to see your shout out!!! i guess your just that famous in the online community
first! and nice vid. thanks jordan’
whats up with this “first” thing, you dont get a prize anyway.. BTW, you are second!
What’s funny is how often they’re not first when they post it…lol
fail
Great video,thanx guys
Good Info!
They said GT5 has photo mode and i quote
‘ forza had it and now GT5 has it ‘
hold the bus, GT4 invented photo mode, thats where it started, just like the GT series defined the replay, its a case of however Polyphony inovate others copy, look at Forza 3, they just rip off stuff from GT, like viewing your car or having the car sit in a nice enviroment, only its not done as good…the king of racers is back, can’t wait.
while GT4 did create the innovation of photomode, you seem to be forgetting that forza has created many innovations, like the livery editor and the “storefront”.
while the comment you pointed out was very much incorrect and GT5 will probably (at least from what we have seen, we can’t know for sure until we play it) be a much better game than FM3, forza can’t be played off as “just a GT ripoff”. it has many positive qualities not even in use by GT5.
yes it can audi lover!! Forza is and we all witnessed it, a GT rip-off…btw livery editor was grid that created it so ur info is wrong!!! i dunno wat storefront is…but it sounds like it has to do with a store…somewhere infront XD!! so gt5 will be the first racing game in 3D…be the first in track editing (not LBP or mod nation style) and…probably the sim that makes arcaders wanna play it! XD
and make jordan cry over it while holding his fluffy! XD
Forza 1 (which had a livery editor) was out long before Grid.
Wasting your time Megasoum. I hear Fanboynet is building a time machine so that they can send robotic fanboys back in time to kill forza 1. It may allready be gone….lol
@audi R8 lover
MC:LA invented the storefront concept.