The sim-racing hardware community is buzzing today after leaked photos and info appear to show a “Logitech G29 Driving Force” wheel prototype.
We haven’t heard much from the company since they announced they were pulling out of the sim-racing market back in January of 2013. Things weren’t going well for Logitech around that time, when Bracken Darrell took over as CEO at the peripheral maker, but the tides have turned.
According to recent comments by Mr. Darrell in the Wall Street Journal, Logitech plans to launch an additional 20-25 new products this year alone, so it’s not unreasonable to presume the G29 may be part of that pipeline.
Sleuths have also found legal documents hosted on Russian website Novocert which confirm the existence of both the G29 and an accompanying shifter, the packaging for which can be seen in one of the leaked photos.
Of course, as this is a leak, there are still no solid technical details or compatibility information available. However, the button pattern appears to be designed with the PS4 in mind, and would likely function with the PC as well, if its predecessors are any indication.
E3, the world’s largest and most prominent video game industry event, takes place in Los Angeles next month and would be an obvious place for Logitech to reveal the new hardware. We’ll keep an eye out for more details on the wheel as they are released.
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Please read and do this PD.
Make the red dial’s resistance to turning, more. At the moment it’s too slack. More of a clicking feel and resistance please.
Kinda like it. Don’t know if I can give up my current version of my G27!!
Logitech only need one thing to get ahead of TM… HANDBRAKE!!!!
Both pictures are suspect. For example, the 2nd picture has got some strange things going on with the perspective. Wheel looks more or less straight on, while the main body is at an angle..along with a few buttons too.
I hope I’m wrong.
My bet is this could be the exclusive GT7 wheel for PD. That center cap emblem looks like a G and a T in my opinion. And, the red on the fly dial like the dfgt had was an exclusive for GT5 for the debut on Ps3. Just my 2 cents.
The G in the center is the Logitech G-Series logo, not a GT logo
it still has that red circle thing and many buttons from Playstation controller, so its a very good sign for many good things to come… and it might be connected to GT7 in a way.. fingers crossed for this to be officia GTl wheel with clutch and good price!
Interesting… It might be great value for money like g27 did… Hope it’s true.. And hope Logitech will be back to support g25 and 27 wheels… It might be worth upgrade if g29 will work on pc and ps5 taking in mind…
Every wheel works on pc, that’s a given.
yeah, with rubbish PC games… :D they look horrible.. PC sims I mean! very Horrible..
I liked Asseto corsa very much, but it is no where near GT level of physics!
Didnt Logitech say they werent making anymore console peripherals ? Why havnt they said that they now are. I think this is a fake & why do the 2 pictures show 2 slightly different wheels. (Logitech G logo is different.)
or you could read the article you are commenting on that addresses the issue.
I don’t care how good it is, there’s no way I’m selling my T500RS for one of these. Having said that, if I were still a G27 owner, this might make sense – especially if the shifter is included. And I must say, good job bringing back the option wheel, biggest gripe with anything other than the DFGT was the lack of that function.
no one is making you sell your t500
I’m really glad to see this. I’m hoping it comes in closer to $200 than $300 since it’s consolidated to a wheel and pedals. That would make it a serious no-brainer vs. the Thrustmaster stuff. It will still hurt bad to box up the G27 when GT7 comes out because of some stupid security chip BS… I was ready to just say F it and skip PS4/GT7 all together. Having to drop a grand to play a game is too much.
I think if they can sell it at $300 it will be very competitive against the thrustmaster products. It looks like a minor upgrade to the g27, imo. The base unit with the FFB motors looks nearly identical to my g27. It’s just got more buttons and functions on the wheel. Pretty cool. Hope it’s priced right!
$300 is pretty expensive for a wheel that could be virtually identical to the G27 but with a couple of extra buttons and no shifter, especially considering you can buy a G27 with a shifter for $200 today. I’m thinking more around the $CDN200-230 range at this point which could be easily pitched with, “we are holding the line on price, but we had to redesign for the security chip and add some buttons + some meaningless but important sounding stuff upgraded inside the wheel housing and so it’s $229.95 without a shifter” Still below the T300 price but without needing a wholescale new design from the G27 would make it a highly profitable investment.
Seems ideal paired with Gran Turismo 7… it feels closer now…
Well this clearly explains why no support for G27 on PS4. Sell new units instead.
I’d be willing to bet this is basically nothing more than a G27 with a PS4 controller slapped into it. Quick cash in.
What I don’t understand is why would Logitech come out and say that they were pulling out of the wheel game only to come back later? By saying that they basically threw there customers base directly into thrustmaster’s hands,that doesn’t make any sense and makes me believe that it’s fake,if Logitech planned to release a wheel down the line then why not tell everyone or at least say “Hey guys we won’t have a wheel compatible with the PS4 at launch but we are working on something that will be released down the line” giving us some type of indication that we should wait instead of buying a Thrustmaster,just doesn’t make sense.
Business circumstances can change with time. They might have meant what they said about stopping making console stuff, but now see a good business opportunity to re-enter the market.
That would make sense if it was years later but they’ve already given up there customers, they won’t be making much of a profit by releasing it anytime soon unless it will cost significantly less than the competition (which is what I hope they do if its true).
Most console gamers aren’t going to pass up a competitively priced wheel just to send Logitech a “message”. If it’s $50-100 less than a T300 and works on the PS4 it’ll sell. The fact that the shifter appears to be a separate item tells you that they are not going the G27 route (including the shifter) and are trying to get into the market below the T300 by selling the shifter separately. A G27 shifter should work with this new wheel anyway, since it plugs into the wheel and not the console separately. If they are really sticking it to you, they’ll make a different plug for the new shifter instead of just duplicating the old one from the G27.
” If they are really sticking it to you, they’ll make a different plug for the new shifter..”
What companies do this, JP?
“If” is a conditional statement.
Who said anything about sending Logitech a message? If the wheel ends up being real and significantly less then the competitors then great I’ll be the first to buy it but I feel that most of the people who wanted a wheel have already bought one so now logitech would be selling to the left over people who were either waiting for the G27 to be compatible with the PS4 and the average gamer who is probably looking at the T100 if anything.I’d love for this product to be real I’m just wondering why they would say there pulling out of making products for consoles then come back after the market for wheels has already been taken.
This is pretty damn ugly. Looks like a quick cash-in for the new consoles.
Take a look at this picture. See the box under the desk, just to the left of centre at the bottom? Zoom in. Voila.
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ghost-Games-01.jpg
Hmmm, looks like it’s legit then.
Still looks like a ‘hash’ job though.
Let’s hope it’s a budget wheel and only charge 100 quid tops.
But the wheel on the box looks different. There a two buttons left and right on the top and not a stupid gamepad.
It looks like there is a display in the center of the wheel.
Could be different mockups and only one or even none of them so far are the final version for production. It does look like a production box and not a mocked up box though, so it appears the product is ready for distribution.
That box says its a Driving Force wheel wheras the pictures above lead to a G series wheel (G logo in centre cap) 7 did you also notice the G27 pedal set box on top of the Driving Force wheel box ?
Looks to me like that’s the shifter box on top and the pedals are included in the box on the floor.
Eh, looks pretty ugly; even for a logitech wheel.
The ugly desing and the lack of the shift leds makes me believe it is just a mod to use it on a ps4.
Here is my take on this…
Thurstmaster might be king of the hill right now, taking advantage of the hole Logitech created when it pulled out of the wheel game a while ago.
I owned the DFGT, and the G27. both served me very well on the PS3.
I now own a T300RS. Although a much superior wheel, it is more of a new gen vs old gen
when comparing to Logitech wheel gear, so technology comparison is not valid.
Still,i much prefer Logitech approach and build quality. Every plastic piece felt quality, leather wrapped. no stupid Ecosystem to take advantage of market monopoly by Thrustmaster. That ugly PS3-PS4 button on the T300, and the writings on the wheel look cheap and rushed. The rims on the other hand, are top notch.
As for this “leak”….
Dont think it is fake. why would somebody go this far (and darn good job) to fake one?
It looks like a well built product, perhaps in prototype stage.
But it is not a new G29 in my opinion.
It is simply a new DFGT. The G series was always the more focused range, and i don’t think Logitech will make the mistake by making it PS4 only. It should suit the PC market as can be seen by the G27 still manufactured and sells well for the PC market.
The DFGT came long before the new G27 arrived (circa 2008). So if Logitech are back in the game, i suspect the next logical step will be to offer the entry level wheel first, preferably a PS4 licensed, or even GT7 licensed to boost sales.
I will point out the Polyphony has shown to make the shift to Thrustmaster when the T500
Came out and it received an immediate GT certification to become GT6 main wheel.
So i doubt that will change any time soon.
We appreciate your input, amitlr. You seem to know your stuff. Great post and likely an accurate synopsis of the situation.
ps. TomBrady’s balls have been deflated by this news. : D
On the box it says “G29 Driving Force”, so you’re half right.
I only see 2 pictures here.
The only box i see says “shifter” on it.
What am i missing?
Oh my god… It’s happening!!! Looks like it will be much more affordable than a T300RS. I hope it has belts.
This looks everything but fake. The fact that they used previously produced parts doesn’t surprise me, considering it may be a prototype or just a lazy design decision
They are actually different wheels in each of the two photos.
One has black spokes, the other anthracite. They both have different centre badge logos too.
I don’t believe anyone would of made *two* fakes; which all suggests they are per-production trials.
YAY! If this true… i hope they sell as separate parts, the wheels, shifter and pedals. So i can buy only the wheels and hook up to my G25 shifter & pedals.. yaaay! Cheaper :p But it should be compatible with PS4 …and Xbox One hhahha :p
Haha… LMFAO… You really think people will trust that company after the mess they created?
Wouldn’t mind some new wheel from Logitech , but fortunately not, this thing screams “fake”. A monstrousity made from crossing G27 / DFGT and whatever else there is – some fake buttons … . Looks bad, bad ,bad and cheap ,even for a pre-production/test model :D
More proof:
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ghost-Games-01.jpg
It needs an analog stick so we can look around the cockpit.
It has a “Share” button (PS4).
:-)
Looks fake to me because it seems a mod of a G27 with parts of DFGT.
It`s not fake!
See this pic
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ghost-Games-01.jpg
Just look at, what’s hiding under the table?!..:)
Why do the two pictures shown have different logos in the center of the wheel?
The button that reads “OPTION” instead of “OPTIONS” has me thinking it’s fake. I really hope that I’m wrong.
already took my G25 and joined the Master race just because of the lack of support for Logitech.
And a prototype will never has a production ready package.
Fake! Do you really think they use identical elements from a seven years old wheel. The red and blue elements doesn’t fit together. At the top is just the top part of a gamepad Cery bad inintegrated. Look at the edges at the bottom of the gamepad. A designer would puke.
then have a look at the “driving wheel” of the new GT-R LMP1
it’s more like you said
a wiiu gamepad with a metal tube sticked at the back :D
Looks pretty fat. Or it has small diamater.
btw: logotype in the centre. Means G29? GT7?…
I imagine there will (or should) be G29 and G29 Driving Force (the latter one targeted more for Playsation).
Because PC users don’t need those PS buttons…
If true the is GREAT news. I’ve had failures in both my Fanatec and T500 wheels after, maybe 1/4 the use (and that’s being generous) I’ve put on every single Logitech wheel I’ve owned (2xDFP, 2XG25). ALL the Logitech products still work perfectly to this day. So much for the “high end” products from Fanatec and Thrustmaster. I certainly hope Logitech releases a good updated wheel, as I simply don’t trust the other quality of the other manufacturers.
I’ve had both the DFGT and the G27 and neither one was problem free. The DFGT after two years developed a mechanical issue with the brakes and I had to take it apart and modify it or it was unusable. My first G27 developed the very common off centering issue in the first few months and was replaced and the new one is working fine since. Couple of friends of mine had the same issue. These wheels are pretty cheap for what they do and each person’s experience is different. Lots of people by TM and Fanatec wheels and never have a problem either. I’ll upgrade eventually now that PCars is here, but I’ll keep my G27 as back up. Still have the DFGT just in case too…lol.
Yes! No other company has shown that they can offer the durability/price ratio that Logitech offers.
Yes it looks a bit wonky, so here’s hoping that this will be the new ‘entry-level’ model with possibly a higher-end T500RS-fighter coming soon after.
C’mon Logitech. Show us you still got it.
Look at the blue box its says SHIFTER!!! Does this mean …..
$23/month to subscribe to WSJ in order to read a single article? Forget it! :-/
I wonder if the price for the G27 will go down if this really gets released… :D
Who cares? I’m getting that G29.
even to this day more and more people hunt down the g27, honestly tht ws gonna be my next wheel of choice after the dfgt, but seeing this now ill b wanting to get that instead, hey logitech do right and price it low lke u did wit the g27 nd thisll show thrustmaster and fanatec u can get good stuff in a FULL pacakge for a low price
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this looks like a wireless wii wheel with its controller embedded in it.
exactly what controller warriors want in a wheel.
smart move Logitech,
will stick to my T500RS, btw they were $200 off last week on amazon, not sure if still on
What!?!?!?!???!?! Next time PM me man!!!!…lol.
Just bought t300 with t3pa pedals and th8 shifter. Still waiting on delivery. Hope I made the right choice. I guess if I keep waiting for something bigger and better to come out I will never have a wheel.
I have a T300, TH8A shiffter and a set of T500 pedals. I have to say man… I used to have a Logitech DFGT and man, the T300 is amazing!!
At first i tought that there wasn’t that difference. Then i borrowed a PS3 of a friend and played GT6, and then i got to his place and played it with the DFGT(sold my old wheel to him), even tough the DFGT is a great wheel and do his job… after know what a T300 can do i just wow!
And now with PCars… you made the right choise, don’t worry.
jus know how to set your force feedback for pcars so u wont be having complaints like everyone else is
Cheers guys is there a link to those wheel settings royal?
Have a look at the pCARS board here and check out the Jack Spade settings. The FFB is so deep and nerdy it’s easy to get wrong, but it can be setup for each car which is amazing for a console title. My T300 is literally purring.
I used this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlOdRTB4njY
Now my setting are a little bit different(usuallly the Fx and Fy setting are 2-4 higher for me), but it is a AMAZING start.
What they really should be doing is working on a wheel in the DFGT price range for PS4. They would absolutely own the market if they released a 900 degree steering wheel, with good force feedback, and at least a gas and brake pedal.
Releasing a G29 puts it in a price range where it’ll have competition
G27 and project cars!!!!
Horrible experience with Thrustmaster’s customer service. I refuse to buy any of their products.
Sorry. Wrong post
I would much rather go with this wheel than anything Thrustmaster makes. Hopefully, it’s true…
Why? The T300 makes every logitech look like a toy
There are way too many reports of Thrustmaster and Fanatec wheels breaking or malfunctioning shortly after purchase, with thrustmaster being especially guilty of poor service during these ordeals.
The Logitech G-series wheels were over-engineered to a crazy degree. Like a toyota pickup.
I just went from G27 to T300 and the wheel is a league above. Creamy smooth, powerful FFB and lots of detail. The pedals however are not, to the point where I’m looking at getting a G27 pedal adaptor. Daft of Logitech not to leak this before pCARS release. They may have got my money instead and plenty of other people’s considering how hard it was to get a T300 last week.
Looks like the G27 & DFGT had a baby.
Good one! Best way to describe it.
Not super surprised, I think someone here had posted a ‘mini-interview’ someone got with Kaz & translator-san from another site, and their discussion went along the lines of “there will be a new wheel for GT7” and other tid-bits for the next title.
Having recently bought a new G27 (and finally doing RHD proud), I’m not super interested.
Although I had a laugh when I read “Russian website”. Is there anything they won’t rip or leak ? XD
If it’s better than their G27 and cheaper than a Thrustmaster, then I’m all for it!
Urghh!!! That looks homemade!!!
Is it April 1st?
My thoughts as well. Looks like someone took a dremel to a controller and a DFGT and superglued them together. If it is legit it’s esthetically hideous, but my money is on bogus. Add to that, if it’s not a belt driven wheel, don’t waste your money.
What’s the point of making a new wheel? just update your drivers for the G27,if the new wheel cost less than the competitors and works with both consoles then yea that’s great but I highly doubt that will happen.
Just a guess but I’d imagine it’s something to do with the fact that updating drivers costs money & selling new wheels makes money.
Launching the G29 along with GT7 would help jump sales for Logitech.
They cancelled support for the old ones the least they can do is make new ones
There actually in the middle of making drivers so there older produces work with PS4 and Xone
@SVPSkins
That’s also just a rumour. Unless you have a good source of course.
@SVP Not true. Sony is the reason Logitech’s don’t work on PS4. The PS4 needs to be updated to support Logitech’s. Creating new drivers would be pointless until that happens. Logitech already said that it’s Sony that is the problem. Sony’s claiming that the Logitech’s need a security chip that only the Thrustmasters have which is completely bogus considering all the mice and keyboards that work on PS4 without that chip
@TomBrady not sure how much truth is in that but the Thrustmaster wheel made for PS3 works on PS4 as well and that has zero security chip. Logitech wheels won’t work because their drivers are old and not allowed on PS4 as Logitech had no license so they couldn’t get updated driver signing to update their wheels to work with PS4 from Sony. Sony doesn’t just give these out, no license no driver signing simple as. New devices built for PS4 can be locked out by security chip, which is what PS4 does now. Still Sony can make ways to allow older peripherals work as they did with the TRS 500 wheel.
Sony product, it’s proprietary and they have to protect it. Kaz did say that they would try to get the old wheels G25, 27 and DFP working on PS4. Seems like things are coming to pass. There is security locking out older devices, Sony has to make provisions to let them work no reason to allow them as that can allow the system to be compromised. It’s really at their discretion and would require some extra functions to check that it’s a wheel and not some other USB device attempting to piggyback it’s way into the system to insert malicious code to backdoor their way into the system. This is business at the end of the day.
The Logitech wheels are HID-Compliant USB devices. ALL Sony has to do is properly support them. That’s it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Logitech writing drivers for the PS4, as that is Sony’s job (this isn’t a Windows PC). The PS4 supports USB mice and keyboards, so whatever “security issues” you are hearing about are 100% BS. I don’t know how Sony is benefiting from not supporting older wheels. Maybe they are getting a little kickback from Thrustmaster or other manufacturers. Maybe they plan to eventually release their own wheel and don’t want a market flooded with competition from a big company like Logitech. Maybe, like 99% of all large companies, they quite simply do not give a crap about anything other than the bottom-line and don’t want to spend the money necessary to add support (although one would expect that amount should be trivial…)
As far as I understand the ball is on the camp of Logitech. Sony supports HID-Compliant devices. However, if you want your device to work in de playstation menu’s you need the security chip. Devices without security chip can only work inside a game or application. Logitech needs to provide their HID driver to the game manufacturer for the game to work with the wheel.
Logitech held a license of the forcefeedback technology of “Immersion” but the licensing deal has expired. I hope they worked out something with Immersion and all the old wheels also get PS4 “support”.
You can use a controller to navigate the PS4 menus. I’m sure Logitech owners would be very happy if their wheels only worked in the game. The T500 is in the same boat.
Yep. This is real certificate of compliance for wheel.
Please.. let this be indication that Logitech is still interested in creating drivers for the G27 and PS4……..
Would be nice.
Here’s hoping.
It would be fantastic if they also can get compatibility with their older wheels (DFGT, G25, G27) but if they do, it would impact sales of the alleged G29 !
Drivers aren’t the problem. Sony is the problem. Claiming that the G27 needs a security chip to work on PS4. It’s complete nonsense.
Sony needs to patch the PS4 firmware and the G27 would work just fine.
Might only be doing it for the G29. It’s all about the money these days