If you’ve been playing Gran Turismo online at any point in the last couple of months, it probably hasn’t escaped your attention that there are a whole lot of cars out there that just seem to be too fast.
Whether it’s been 1000mph Red Bull X2010s and Civics or “realistic” modified cars, the proliferation of cars modified beyond the normal parameters of the game has been meteoric. It made sufficient dents in the Seasonal Event Time Trials that Polyphony altered the events so that they were single vehicle events only and the car was provided rather than coming from the player’s own garage.
This morning they’ve stepped up the fight back against these “hybrid” cars with an announcement of intent to ban the accounts of players found using what it terms “illicitly modified game data“:
GT5 INFORMATION
Notice of Account Ban Measures – Last Updated: Apr 05, 2013We have recently confirmed usage of illicitly modified game data in the online services of Gran Turismo 5, and the relevant accounts have now been banned from the service.
Hereafter, these Online ID’s in question will no longer be able to access the online portion of Gran Turismo 5.
Please be aware that usage of illicitly modified game data and any mischievous conduct against other players using such data are strictly prohibited, and will be subject to penalties as soon as they are found.
We ask everyone for their continued understanding and support.
How this will be achieved isn’t known, however GT5 does exchange a fair bit of data with PD servers when booting up and after certain in-game actions. What they mean by “illicitly modified game data” is also uncertain, as it could apply to those who possess these cars but haven’t used them online, those who use them online or those who make and distribute them in equal measure.
What is clear is that, despite developing GT6 at present, PD are still supporting the community of GT5 gamers to keep the playing field level.
GT5 Photomode image courtesy of ZDUPH.
I was racing with a fellow who was VERY fast. Seconds a lap quicker than the next two podium spots, who were no slouches. A few weeks ago I definitely would have suspected him of cheating, and he said most people did.
I am for the ban. I want to know there is no possibility that you are cheating.
I don’t mind hacked cars i just cant stand those who use them just to show off that they are faster
I was accused of hacking by someone with my Aventador, but it’s just a max tuned Lambo that’s a little broken in, with an awesome tune I got off this site… :(
i believe that hacks should be allowed but only if there account is not being used to cheat events or causing havoc in online rooms. if an account is reported they should not be allowed to use hacks. also hacks like a DONK, or for example a r34 with no wing should be allowed.mods should be allowed but with restrictions.
YAY GT5 HAS BEEN RUINED BOOOOO BRING HACKS BACK
So your saying it was ruined before the hacks started because there were no hacks at launch.
I totally agree with you STANCE_KING I miss the realistic mods for stance and what not. I miss my slammed R32 with no wing and an F430 chassis.
correction on Lamborghini, he didn’t like the overall feel of the car.
Yeah keep talking STANCE_KING, because I saw YOU online on Saturday, in a free run room, at the Nurburgring…
Woot, 1000 comments!!! :D
This kind of got cheated into 1,000 + seeing as certain Members spammed the Comments by adding their 2 Cents to long dead conversations; such as “yeah/yup/I agree/lol” etc, not to mention the “hey let’s get it to 1000!” Conversations lol, but I guess it still technically counts..
YA!
yep, lol xD
Wow. 1000 comments. And this is the 1004th. Wow.
Just wow.
At last!
Woohoo 1,000 comments! :D
only a few more guys :)
It seems we got our official response from PD regarding hacking.
Come on people, make it to 1,000 :D
Now that the update is in and official reports of the “hackfix” are in another thread I think this one is done.
*cough*
;)
Hey everyone who thinks that modded cars are annoying when online? I do myself and I even used to mod before but now I deleted/removed all the modded cars from my garage. I think modding ride height and removing wings is completely fine but the people who use those 900mph+ cars are complete morons. If people didn’t abuse the modding by making those 900mph+ cars then maybe we wouldn’t have to worry about being banned. In my eyes I see modding as something that makes the game a little more fun but abusing modding is ridiculous. It was fun running 1000hp Supras and 1000hp Skylines on Special Stage Route 7 and it didn’t bother me because it was fun watching people make those realistic mods only because they take a little more time then just typing FF for the horsepower multiplier. I am only 16 and I know a lot of you might criticize on this comment but so be it. I’m just here to state my opinion on this whole modding thing. I still do mod by the way but its on a secondary account so if I get banned it don’t really matter because the whole save was modded: Money, A-Spec and B-Spec Levels, All Gold Trophies On Events, and Realistically modded cars. I only made that secondary modding account because why get my main account banned when I put 2+ years into that save. So I think that wraps up my opinion that I wanted to state. Hope everyone is enjoying the real racing on Gran Turismo 5 again. Well what am I still doing here typing away I got a race I gotta run today on Gran Turismo 5. So get on Gran Turismo 5 and remember to keep racing.
I think this also serves as a message to PD because with people only modding appearance and not ruining the game with 1000+ hp civics, the cars looked pretty cool without wings or with lowered ride height. If this more visual customization is implemented with GT6, I think that will help reduce the number of people modding their cars.
almost 1000
Unless someone spams I dont see this hitting 1000.
Yeah, we need only 42 more comments :D
I thought it was dead, glad to see some are still here.
I think the last 39 are gonna be difficult to get. Unless like stated above somebody bombs the thread.
Maybe this is an experiment by Kaz to “create human drama”…
Just sayin.
That was good, it really was.
Lol
950;)
Could the latest maintenance be to detect and or block people hacking or with hybrids.
Has anybody officially banned yet?
not officially because real GT5 players (including the ones who crack) are not out to break records with cheap cars lol
^ +1
I can see how you think like that, Blaze. But I believe there are folks out there, in the world of GT, that would do such a thing to get their name in lights especially prior to PD’s banning of illicit hacks. Now that the jig is up, I’m certain there are those who will push there luck and those
… who would enter a hack job inadvertently. Then I would expect those banned players to simply reconnect with another account. OMT, I don’t think PD would be interested in publishing a list of banned accounts.
Well if they actually wanted to put fear into people how easy would it be to block the whole system… although it would be like shooting themselves in the foot twice because then more people would be like me and stop being faithful PS customers.
943
440000 km lol
This is fine and all but they should have done something about the hacking 6 months ago when it first started.
Is anyone else having trouble getting online?
I’m not having any trouble. How ever, this is suppose to be a PSN maintenance today.
The servers started running really slow yesterday night, at times it wold take 10 min for a page to load even after logging on the servers. I don’t think todays maintenance had anuthing to do wih last night. You sya the servers are still slow. I wounder..
This has to be one of the most active GTPlanet threads to date? Surely…
Well, it’s certainly an active news item but there are plenty of threads with well over the 1,000 posts, some with more than 10,000.
So… this is the last bit of news we get from PD?
Is this really the end of GT5?
No more improvements, due to development of GT6, as we speak…
I hope not. It would suck if this were to be the last bit of news and support for GT5.
Yeah never mind with that last statement. I just started having trouble logging in to PDI’s servers. Must be caused by the PSN maintenance.
I wouldn’t be too surprised if it was.
70 posts away. Really?
69….
That’s not an offer or an invite or nothing like that ….!!! Ha ha …. 68…!!
haha, brilliant response
No more gift cars for me. I do not want to be banned did using a hacked machine accidentally.
I was at a trusted friends room today where all the cars were jumping meters into the air and jacked so high you could not see the entire machine whilst watching the drivers enjoying their new found contraptions.
I do not care what they do with their machines privately. But when they use their hacked jobs it in an old fashion race, I can only come to one conclusion.
I know Phil, some of that s**t in there was too crazy for me as well, I had left for a few and when I came back I saw all of this crazy, hoppy, bouncy car follies – I left the room shortly after you did.
It’s one thing to have useable and drivable realistic whips offline or in lounges, but that stuff was too much.
Lets reach 1000 comments. Lol
And another 1! XD
You hear that people? The almighty god of the Gran Turismo fandom is sharing his noble advice with us.
Let us all take note: Common sense is not so common!
Wow I just read this in the parking lot of a church. Irony?
Yes we are all intelligent HarVee. Do we have the common since to think of remain factions of our actions and what comes along with those actions? Only a small few according to the actions of some, it’s the same thing that happened with the bricking of trading cars over a certain credit.
There was and is nothing wrong with trading cars that are worth over 1mil. Sadly, PD seems to think otherwise.
And why do you keep spelling it “common since”? It’s common sense. Get it right. That is unless common sense is not common. Because if it were to be common it would’ve told you to spell the word ‘sense’ with letter E & a letter S instead of with a letter I & a letter C.
Very wrong HarVee. The spelling of the word sense would be common intellegence. Didn’t your common sense tell you that?
lol… Feels great to put all and everything into these words and use them to define everything, doesn’t it.
My common sense is tingling and telling me that you are correct, that is common intelligence.
And yes it does. lol :tup:
@PitCrew
You are very discombobulated PitCrew; I see both sides of the argument.It’s clear that you only see one side due to your statement. And yes the blame is soul on some of the GT community not all. The some that hacked a sealed product, the some that broke the contract agreement, the some that are foolish enough to think this is still cool. Your actions not only hurts you it hurts the community, we may not see the whole fold of this any time soon but we will in time.
You see nothing but your own opinion. You might want to learn how to use the reply button instead of trying to have your muddled diatribe at the top of the page for all to see.
I’m sorry to offend your thoughts though I can see you have the same mind set as the people who broke the contract agreement, cracked the PS3, and compromised the GT data and more than likly the future of the Gran Turismo title.
I say again COMMON SINCE IS NOT SO COMMON..
One other thing there is a big difference between common since and intelligence
Zuel, do you even see how much of a joke you’re making out of yourself? I’ve stated it before, you see nothing but your own opinion and will defend your point of view by picking on others with pointless and untrue statements that again are your point of view and purely your opinion.
And FFS, if you praise us those all so mighty sentences, at least use the proper wording. Sense is not since.
And better don’t even dare to bump your response as a new comment once again, that’s just another way of impressing your oversized ego. Use the reply button like everyone. Or better yet, until you have something constructive and sensible to share with this community, just shut up.
Dude you dont offend my thoughts. I personally think your a child with a keyboard, however your put off by anyone who doesnt agree with you. Were do you see in my post that I have the same feelings as those that broke the TOS? Me having friends that hacked, and me personally hacking are 2 different things, Learn to read. I trade cars in the Marketplace slick, I dont mod or hack.
You have no common sense but you do have an overbearing penchant, for Ego tripping, trying to cut down anybody that dares have a thought that doesnt equate with yours. Im not sure who died and named you king but obviously you have issues that go way beyond GT5s shortcomings, and should seek help for that.
Its spelled Common Sense not Since. Yeah your quite the Rhodes Scholar arent you?
@KiroKia
Sorry for the typo chum “SENSE” I’m not the one that is making a fool or a joke out of themselves. I’m not the one or people that have been or are in the process of being banned. If you feel I’m acting that is your opinion and maybe others that feel that the hacking is ok like yourself. Though COMMON SENSE would tell you otherwise but it this case it really hasn’t. Has it?
While we’re at the typos, I’m not named after a car brand, my name is Kai.
But after your apologize and making me your chum you start throwing around random things again. Getting banned from GT5 online services has nothing to do with making a joke out of yourself (if there is anything remotely related to that, it’s the people cheating on ranked trials who think they get away with it). I never said that I’m under the impression that you are acting, I wonder how you got that idea? It’s actually the opposite, I’m pretty sure you are completely serious in your posts and truely believe your view is the plain truth. And how/why do you connect that to my opinion towards the question if hybrids are morally okay or not again?
If you have that much ‘common sense’ yourself. why do you not admit to yourself that your view is your view, and not a generally correct objective way of seeing things?
I’ve probably spent way too much time on this discussion already. Please, give me a detailed answer on each of my points instead of a summed up mixed up reply this time, otherwise I’ll just do what I probably should anyway, ignore it.
Pit Crew if you’re speaking of my ego of know right from wrong, or the common sense of knowing my actions have a reactions then you’re spot, I love my BIG EGO… And I never said YOU “PIT CREW” hacked cars “SLICK” so you learn to read. It’ simple, black and white, so there is no reason for any of the people that gotten banned or will be banned to get upset with Sony, PD or me. Because if you cracked the PS3, hacked the game or saved data you’re guilty point black, cut and dry. You should be banned or have your PS3 disabled point black.
The reason why we can’t trade cars over 700,000 credits HarVee was due to people not keeping their end of a trade when GT5 was first released. People complained about it and PD put a brick on any car over 700,000 credits, do a little research you may have found this out. The rest of us know why don’t you? Oh I forgot you joined after that update.
So for the people getting upset with me get upset I really don’t care, I’m simply talking about the wrong that has been done and how it’s affecting the GT community and GT5. I didn’t crack a PS3 I didn’t hack the game data or saved data. I didn’t show anyone how to crack a PS3 nor the game data or saved data. So if you’re going to get upset with someone it’s yourselves no one else.
KiroKai, never mind your not worth it.
I thought PD limited car gifting to 999,999 credits because they wanted the players to do actual work for it and to keep those oooh sooo wanted chrome and stealth models from being not so limited edition specials.
OMT, it sounds like none of you think dig the hack jobs any less than the other. Maybe I’m mistaken, my eyes start to cross after reading this dialog for an extended period time.
IMO, you guys should get a private room and make sweet love to one another ;)
@KiroKia
Let me get what your say straight. You agree with the cracking of a sealed PS3 and the the hacking of the game and game data? Knowing all these products are all under copyright laws and none of us own the rights to these products even though we paid our hard earned money on? If so you need to start your own company and hire me as your CEO, I’ll make you billions.
You can gift cars to any credit price as long it’s a ticket card, if it’s a car that has been bought from the on-line dealer ship or the premium dealer ship nothing over 724,000 credits can be traded or sent.
@ infamousphil
When GT5 was first released there was no credit cap or cap of type of car for trading. The reason why this option was introduced to GT5 was to allow us to collect the cars, mainly the rare cars a lot faster. It’s the same with the paint chips and auto history trading cards, which doesn’t have a cap. The reason why we have the cap now is due to the parties that were trading cars when GT5 first came didn’t keep up their end of a trade with the honest person that gave them the first traded car. This went on for about a week or so then we got an update that put a credit trading cap on the cars, which could have been avoided if people used common sense when trading their cars and be honest
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There are six or seven black cars that could have been traded with this option but now we can’t have those rare black cars, only the people who pre-ordered to region will have those cars. I really wanted the black 787B, Black Audi R10.
That update is a PRIME example of clearly pointing out, that every action as a reaction. From this history and people knowing of it, I would believe common since would have played a part of people knowing what has happened is wrong and it has affected the GT community and it’s a fact. Not the views of me or anyone else. I know that this action will majorly affect the GT6 title, how much, we won’t know until it is released. This may also affect the pricing of the PS4 due to Sony taking extra measures to make sure that it won’t be crack. If it does happen to be cracked they’ll know right away who the owner of that PS4.
Some of you may know this, some of you may not. There is a serial number on the back of your PS3 that is attached to all of your accounts on your PS3. Every time we sign on-line that same number is sent to the servers, then the servers cross that data with the data on members accounts severs. If there is any trouble they know how to look up your PS3 and know who your or who own that PS3. If they happened to develop a program that would be able to read the data coming over the severs about the cars then they could pin point the people who have cracked the PS3, cracked the GT5 game, saved data or any game or data much faster. Taking the measures needed to insure that person wont or have the abilities to do any of those actions again. More than likely they are already working on a program of this fashion; Micro Soft developed a similar program. That is how they found everyone who cracked the Xbox, hacked the game and whatever other data.
*I can see you have the same mind set as the people who broke the contract agreement*
Then what does this statement mean?? Your so busy rambling on about everything and nothing, you cant even remember what you said. All your posts youve infested this thread with over a 3 day period clearly show that your a disturbed, confused Malcontent. You did succeed at showing a number of Members that your Egomaniacal opinion is frayed and deserves no serious consideration as intellectual dialogue. I must say I pity you. Your a very sad person. Everything youve said makes no sense, is bias, and quite unfounded. I give you credit for attempting to defend your opinion, but seeing as thats a scatter brain Point of View you really should have kept it locked away because you have failed to educate anybody about anything.
Really Pit Crew, I malcontent or egomaniacal. I’m really impressed you have figured me out; I’m a person with a big EGO who likes to cause trouble. The only people really causing trouble are the people hacking the GT5 data, which caused all of the events that happened within the last week. If I clearly stating this is trouble and causing my so called EGO as you say to grow then so be it. I’m glad I bother you then because it really shows me that my point has gotten across even though some of you mainly YOU now PIT CREW don’t want to admit it. I intention was never to preach or educate as you say PIT CREW on anything. My soul argument was on the bases that these actions basically F&*KED us and the people that have done this action. If you can’t understand that then you’re really blind and REALLY needs to learn common sense. You can say this or that about what I said over the last three days I really don’t give a crap, the bottom line we are the was that have to pay for all of this in the long run. And you feel that that my views are just my views? I’ve read all of you post and no really touched on what will come of this besides me. Why is that? You all feel that I’m wrong for speaking out truly speaking out on the actions of the people who have done buy cracking the PS3, hacking the GT5 game and saved data, the actions of using these cars?
Compromised the very thing we enjoy so much just so you can get an extra kick? I’m sorry I really don’t go through the extra measures that will come just to play a game I grew up with and watched evolve to what it has become due to what has happened. At this point who really gives a crap what they did they did it and their still doing until their stopped. What I’m looking at is what will happen in the future, what will come of this. No one thinks of that anymore until it hurts their pockets and I guaranty this will hurt some our pockets in the future.
Typo “Started”
I’m done with Zuel. He’s a moron being ignorant, quite stupid, and he does act quite a bit as a troll I think, trying to upset and insult anything and everyone who disagrees with him. Pit Crew, what you said summed it up. If I have anything to add, in my opinion we do not need your addition to this community Zuel, since you lack ANY talent at discussing or argueing. And your reading and writing is quite bad as well. Yes, I state that as a fact, because you’ve given enough proof in the past days of commenting here.
Don’t bother to reply to this, I know you will, I’ve seen you argueing about your opinion you take as fact over more than 40 (if I remember correct) pages back when there was a forum discussion thread when the PP changes were added. So I will just ignore your added wrong information and ridiculous statements.
@Nuuj
Yes I do agree that this punishment is justified to a degree, though people are still making hacked cars. And they still will continue do so until there are completely stop and the only way to do so is to lock their PS3 unit. If you made the cars, received the cars or had any actions with making the cars your PS3 should be disabled. A cracked PS3 can have any program or code added to it after it’s been unlocked and studied, the same thing as for the games. Someone could installed a ghost program or a virus in the programming of the PS3 or the games allowing that person or group complete free roam until they are compromised by making a mistake or someone see strange active.
Yes it’s easy to make another account start over a new career and get all the work done. Thou I don’t think that’s going to happen for many if not all of the people that have gotten banned or will be banned. Even though we bought these products we have no rights to them what so ever. Are any of your names on any of these products? Do any of you own the companies that produce these products? To all questions “NO”. I say again I do agree to a degree that the banning is justified, but to really get the point across the units should be disable.
If I was the CEO of Sony I wouldn’t hastate to have a program in development to do so. If I was PD and Kaz I would temporally or permit ally cut ties with the GT Planet community. People you must understand you broke a contract agreement which means you broke the law. You tapered with a sealed product. It doesn’t matter if you done it for fun or not, you still broke the contract and tapered with a product that none of us have the rights to. Whatever Sony decided to do besides banning will be justified as they have the rights to these products.
“If I was the CEO of Sony I wouldn’t hastate to have a program in development to do so. If I was PD and Kaz I would temporally or permit ally cut ties with the GT Planet community.”
Too bad you don’t work for them. So your words are pretty empty.
“People you must understand you broke a contract agreement which means you broke the law.”
Don’t care.
“You tapered with a sealed product.”
Don’t care.
“It doesn’t matter if you done it for fun or not, you still broke the contract and tapered with a product that none of us have the rights to.”
Don’t care.
“Whatever Sony decided to do besides banning will be justified as they have the rights to these products”
Whatever.
Considering the first 2 paragraphs of your comment are plain wrong and based on wrong information Zuel, I doubt the 3rd one has any matter to any party concerned.
Before you post your next text about this topic, please take a minute and do a search around the web to see how this kind of modifying works. If you did you would know that none of the hybrids created in the game require any change of the console itself, it is simply modifying the save file outside of the console, on your PC. Therefore all your following assumptions and panic about viruses being built based on this kind of modding are irrelevant and wrong.
About your second paragraph, the same way (and even using the same software) that is being used to modify your save file, you can transfer save files between accounts on your PS3, so that the PS3 will take the file as if it was created and progressed on the account you want it to be.
Maybe people will rather listen to what you have to say if you do better research.
Sony and PD should do something or the same as Micro Soft and Playground Games done, “Banned the accounts along with locking of their unit.” Yes Sony does have the ability to lock the PS3 via the internet. The severs keep compiling information on the people that are using this hacked car data, once those person sign on-line they’ll get a notice stating that their PS3 has been promptly disabled and will remain disabled for breaking the product/user agreement.
The agreement that we signed so we can get back online to play after that major hack on the Sony severs is a product/user agreement. Which clearly state if you miss use the product, sever or go against the user agreement they have the right to do as they please with the offending parties? If they happened to lock the PS3 of the people that have hacked the data or obtain any of these hacked cars it would dieter other from doing it again in the future.
That’s complete bulls***. They should defiantly not do that Then Sony will be just as terrible as Microsoft And we all like Sony way better here. Except maybe zuel. They should just ban that account
And this extreme measure is justified you believe?
What of the people who may have unwittingly obtained one of these Cars from Friends etc?
And what exactly would Polyphony and/or Sony gain from tossing these people into Exile?
The Ban they have started to implement seems pretty adequate to me, it ensures that they will have no way to use their Garage Online, and furthermore if they wish to get back into Competition–they must start over (New Account with the meager 10,000 Credits, Empty Garage, and the Dreaded License Tests all over again), for both the Pure Cheaters, Explorers, and Unwitting/Knowing Participants this Punishment would suffice and pass the Message clearly..
Looking through the Comments it seems you are making Purely Random Statements that are designed to incite people–if you’re trying to egg on this conversation for some reason, or create a debate, at least make it a sensible one..
Considering the fact he only sees his point, and now blames the Community for GT5s shortcomings (Past & Present) , its probably best to just ignore him from here on out.
Plus if they started doing that they would lose most of their community and since GT6 is comin out. They don’t want to lose money.
Plus GT5 is two years old as well, it shouldn’t be PD’s attention but adding new seasonal events or blah blah. :)
TokoTurismo
“The part im starting to not like about all of this is it has divided a community.”
That’s how I feel as well. I’m very, very disappointed about the hybrids seperating everybody. It’s even starting to piss me off too
Same here man
In what world would PD condone, allow, or even entertain user hacking?those terms were written for a reason. It’s not a joke, or something that should be taken lightly. In reality hackers should not be angry nor suprised….there is no justification or case to make for deliberately disobeying the terms
True but its done anyway.
The part im starting to not like about all of this is it has divided a community.
We shouldnt be fighting among ourselves over this yes it is wrong and people are doing it (I am offline) but fighting with each other over this will not get us anyway and it wont stop it.
“The part im starting to not like about all of this is it has divided a community.”
That’s how I feel as well. I’m very, very disappointed about the hybrids seperating everybody. It’s even starting to piss me off too.
Its an issue that has just gone on and on also seems like pd arent backing up the ban threat as much as I expected.
That might well be because in Japan a lot of people are basically solid, honest types who will not go so easily against the law. Perhaps they thought the first ban wave would stop it all…
As this hasn’t been the case, they’re probably looking at what measures to take next. I’m guessing they now have the stats for how often this is happening and how many players are willing to go against the ban. It can’t be an easy decision, but one will be made.
And I agree, the GTP community division is a bad thing that really is helping no one.
*Its an issue that has just gone on and on also seems like pd arent backing up the ban threat as much as I expected.*
So far it only seems to be the accounts of those who used a Hybrid in TTs and DTs where their times breached top 100 or better. Online lobbies seem to still allow the Hybrid using accounts, though I expect that will probably evolve in the near future.
The couple of friends I know with modded cars have deleted theirs, but their accounts/ profiles are still active in GT5 online.
Ok, guys, if you are having such an issue with the bans, contact PD about changing their terms of service. The terms clearly state that none of their content is to be modified.
It doesn’t matter if the mods make the game more interesting, or “add what should’ve been there at the start”, the terms PD placed down override this.
+1 mate
Who’s having an issue?
The few people whose posts comprise what feels like 60% of this thread…
@brianblaze – At least half or more people in this forum…? Likely a large portion of the users outside of GTPlanet as well…?
Reading isn’t hard…
Being a smart ass is much easier especially when the only people banned are the ones messing with people… I don’t know anyone banned… lol Just saying there is more talking getting done then anything else lol
Instead of asking for things that wasn’t needed you all should have asked for the option to do swaps and such. It would have been better to think things through don’t you think? Common since is not so common.
http://feedback.gtplanet.net/forums/96709-gt5-feedback/suggestions/1430541-more-car-customization
2,047 people (considering the overall participation in the feedback section that’s a lot) have supported this idea, and it started in January 2011, 2 months after the game’s release.
A lot of people who have ‘common sense that is not so common’ (you’ve said that sentence in 3 posts now, we got it) have been requesting an event creator for the game since day 1, and now with the secret menu we have options to set up our own race, although a bit limited, in either Arcade mode or A-Spec career, and battle AI opponents in cars of our choice,
And the list of examples goes on. Yes, it is debateable if it’s the right way to do this by hacking, but just because your opinion is that it is wrong it’s not a fact. My point of view is, these features/possibilities have been in the game since a long time, but PD never included them, despite the amount of fans requesting these and the amount of changes and improving patches they released. So if people get access to these features and enjoy the game again because of them there’s nothing bad to it.
Just a few more examples to back up the facts I stated.
Secret menu selectable opponents function:
http://feedback.gtplanet.net/forums/96709-gt5-feedback/suggestions/1430093-event-creator
http://feedback.gtplanet.net/forums/96709-gt5-feedback/suggestions/1401173-more-race-events
Engine swaps cover this quite a bit, if a car has a wrong sound there are over 1,000 others that might fit better:
http://feedback.gtplanet.net/forums/96709-gt5-feedback/suggestions/1429463-better-and-more-realistic-sounding-cars
How do you know everyone who wanted swaps didn’t ask for them? Maybe PD couldn’t add them over the endless amounts of other requests people wanted since the game’s release? Common sense is indeed not so common. You’re doing a good job of proving that.
^Agreed^ Muoniula He’s all over the place with his criticism. I seem to remember Kaz wanted stuff in this game too. Blaming the masses for whats included and omitted is petty.
For those hating on the hackers, calling them childish and all sorts.
Without the hack, we won’t have the ability to swap engines, remove OEM wings, reduce more weight, slam our vehicles and so on…
Are you telling me that you don’t like that idea? I mean how boring can you get? o_O
There is nothing wrong with swaps this or that or whatever. If the option was already available to the start then fine run with it but it never was, never has been and more than likely never will. GT has been about motorsports true motorsport, yea we don’t have the option to add graphics or livers which is a shame but having the option to do an engine swap just through hacking is lame. Yes I like the idea of doing swaps and such but attaining that option through hacking a sealed product is childish foolish there is no way around it, no matter how you justify, word it it’s still the same. Yes some good may come out of this, we may have this option in the future but I really doubt it. This is a global on-line product that is seal, which was not produced, manufactured buy you or any of us. If some mad an open source game like some of these free PC game then you can go hacking to your heart’s desire, though on a sealed product you’re asking for trouble and that what the hackers and the people who used those hack cars on-line got and deserved.
Not to be harsh but it’s the truth. Your actions caused you to get banned and having to start another GT career if you do desire.
Wish people would get a little more informed about the situation before going on their “That’s what you hackers get!” speeches. So far, only people who have been cheating in drift/time trials and using the secret menu have been banned. I think there’s one more condition that can get you banned but I can’t remember it. But people bringing hybrids into online lobbies have yet to be banned. And if they are, it’s very few. My alternate account made to create hybrids has yet to be banned from online play and I go into online lobbies with them.
And the only childish hackers are people who make ridiculous cars or use their hybrids to ruin other people’s fun.
With the current crop of people making home brewed games and cars for various racing games, I’d love to see a legitimate app so we could add our own cars or modify the game cars to match our goals.
Bottom line, I would love to see a Ford Maverick or Mercury Comet, suspension and drive train line right up with the Shelby GT350 (though not as powerful) and it drives and handles quite a bit like the 1970 Mustang.
Really the only difference required would be the body, the mechanical bits of the cars are very similar.
I’d love to choose my paint scheme and see MY car on GT5.
Wow. All this opining has gotten us off point here.
Adjusting a car’s power can be done with an ECU and a laptop. So I don’t see an issue there.
I don’t blame anyone for hacking, except the hackers. And these hackers are proving themselves to be selfish and childish. Sneaking in a hack job or arguing a case for something that is clearly “illicit” is indefensible. It is however, debatable.
I’ve partaken into hybriding in past GT titles and it was fun. But we’re global now, so fair play is important to the masses. BTW, I wouldn’t say the pp system is broken, the rating system has just gone unexplained by PD.
@KiroKai
I blame everyone not just one person or a group but everyone for what has happened even myself. The blame is asking for something that wasn’t needed, people wanted the “POWER LIMITER” in GT5 so they could continue to manipulate the pp system. With the different tuning methods the power limiter is to perfect toll to manipulate an overly tuned car to a desired pp number. Then the next major update fixes the car’s tires handling and such everyone was happy for a short while. Then the following update to the pp system had everyone up in arms because none of their overly tuned car’s matched their previous pp at a overly tuned de-tuned state, everyone cried about that and we got the old system back. Then everyone was happy once again.
Then we get the hacked cars then everyone and their grandmother want one or some to make a car for them with real world numbers. Then these cars go viral videos, forms pop up about these cars, they’re used on-line and from there Sony, PD and Kaz finds out what going on. They are taking measures to rectify the matter, they are banning people whom have used the cars in time event, racing in open, private lobbies or just having them in your VR garage.
So if you truly believe that we’re not at fault then please give me whatever you’re eating or smoking because I want to think I’m never at fault if I do something wrong.
So once again the blame is on US not the “POWER LIMITER”, Sony, PD or Kaz. It’s all on us from our ACTIONS which had this REACTION.
If you really can’t understand that this situation is the cause of us PLEASE OH PLEASE give what ever you have…
I don’t see the negative ‘blame’ on anyone but PD to begin with. I support modding and hybrids to add variety, create fresh, awesome experiences in GT5, and for various more reasons I’ve stated all around here. The ’cause’ of these actions – modifications in the game – to me are PD for not including or limiting certain features (car customization for example) in GT5. The trigger were the modders and hackers who made these techniques of modifying available to the public on the Internet. The majority of players only execute these modifications and cause the situation as you describe it because there is a lack in the game.
In a similar way, I don’t see the power limiter negative. You describe it as an instrument purely used to exploit/cheat on the PP system as much as possible, sure there might be people doing that, but it is not the purpose of it and not how the majority uses it.
I dislike the way how you generally state your opinion as facts and the attitude you have towards people who disagree with it.
Now everything comes to the surface KiroKia, you support the hybrids and hacking of the cars because the game is lacking something fresh? Hmmm let me think on this, “BONG!!!” Gran Turismo must change to a free roam state based off a Motor Sport back round. As far as I know Gran Turismo has never been about driving on the street or pushing your car on the street. It’s to give us that feel of being able to take our car, or favorite to the track to push it to the limits. Yes I do understand that the game is lacking but not in the area as you see along with the others that agree with you. If you all feel so die hard that the game is lacking why won’t you push and nag for the things or items that were state to be in the game.
How about the option to make mutable car classes, on-line career, a true on-line race season, on-line coop’s, teams and more that I don’t care do go in due to I’ll be here forever. As for my opinion, my opinions are based on the facts at hand, the facts that have been placed in front of us, the fact that people are being banned for tapering with a product that they had no hand in developing, the fact that people broke a contract agreement knowingly, the fact that the GT seasonal event Time Trail have changed due to these actions. Do you want me to carry on about the facts that gotten us to this situation? Do you want to speak about how these people can go to jail for tapering with this product?
The facts are there in our faces for the reason why we are at this front, and we were the one that walked ourselves right to it. If you feel GT is lacking then move on to something that will rub your fancy, that will give you that crack you want so much.
Like I said before I really don’t care about the hacking or hybrids, it shows GT needs change or the things must be opened or added. More bad than good has come out of this though you must be blind to see that. KiroKia
Kirokai, you and I know what Gran Turismo is. Go look somewhere else for what you say GT lacks. GT5 is essentially no different to GT1 except for being online. That’s why I have been hooked from the start. I can’t get enough of the challenge it provides, even down to those damn SL time trials on the Nordschleife. :)
As soon as the “goal posts” are moved like, “Illicitly Modified Game Data” then the spell breaks for me.
“They are taking measures to rectify the matter, they are banning people whom have used the cars in time event, racing in open, private lobbies or just having them in your VR garage.”
^ This is not enough, but a good start. PD needs to patch GT5. The patch could consist of all current attributes of each vehicle in GT5, including all DLC, meeting the max. current upgrades. If the “hacked” car does not meet the attributes (min-max weight, hp etc.), it is rendered useless or deleted from the players database.
If not patched, it will continue with users creating new accounts over and over.
Funny how you do exactly what I said in my bottom line on the previous response. You pick on people who disagree with your opinion (but can’t even spell their names) and you seriously think your opinion is the only one that is right and that matters.
Oh well, enjoy yourself then.
Just a small note for you to pick on again, I play the game how I like it and I will not move on to another game just because you dislike my style of playing. Accept that there are people who feel different than you, and please accept the facts how YOU see them are not necessarily objective and correct that way.
I call it like I see HarVee. The USER’s the people, the people that use GT5 and that haven gotten so bored with it they started hybrid the cars for what they call “FUN”. Just to see what could be done. Fine and good I really don’t care but when someone does something has dyer effects on a matter then it’s best to see where it all started. And I see it starting when people starting crying about the “POWER LIMITER” not being available in GT5, and they cried about it until it was added. The people that complained about it could have complained about something else or whatever, the same thing would have or could have happened. The matter still as stands as is, the PS3 was cracked, game data has been open and the code has been altered.
So buy you chopping at the bet saying the “POWER LIMITER” is not at fault you’re are right, I’m SAYING the action of asking for the “POWER LIMITER” is at fault. The action of asking for something to be installed that wasn’t meant to be installed, so in the end it’s still comes down the actions of the “USERS” the “PEOPLE” not bloody “GHOST” as you see it HARVEE.
So kinda like the result of millions of people crying about the cracks led to some bannings? For every action is a reaction for sure point taken :)
Wait, but I’m pretty sure there is a power limiter in GT5, you can scale back the engines horsepower.
“and I see it starting with the people crying about the power limiter not being available in GT5”
Yup. You blame the people who want the power limiter again. And where did you get the idea from HarVee said anything about ghosts hacking the game? Again, are you for real?
Oh, and putting keywords in CAPS LOCK does not make you cool.
Yes Amac500 there is a power limiter in GT5, though it was introduced in GT Prologue and was not intended to be used in GT5 once it was first released. If it was it would have been installed and ready to use before on the date of release, but it wasn’t available. It was not available for a few weeks or more after the release of GT5. Again the only reason why it was installed was due to the actions of people complaining about the “POWER LIMITER” not being added to GT5. Again every action has a reaction.
I mean hey we all basically free run neway, when we leave out the pits and just drive around a track following each other or just cruising, ssr7 is like a highway cruise track and people do all kinds of activities on there, they drag through the tunnel, high speed, car shows, speed limit driving etc…so i would love to see cruises outside the barriers of a small track, some of the meets would be epic
Im not saying the racing element of gt needs to change im saying it needs to change for the better, the race tracks are not going nowhere in fact we are getting more tracks, but we need something new at the same time and C spec, a drag racing track with a working christmas tree, and more freedom to customize would go a long way, and may cure some of the bordom and may prevent some of the need to hack.
Something like a Gran Turismo feel but with Forza 4 options? Yea GT is in need of the stuff they promised in GT5 (FIA GT3 or D1GP as some examples). But if they go the Forza custom route, people might have been better off buying Forza IF that was to happen. Imagine a balance with customization with the amount of actual game play along with the high demand for the game. If they went more to the customization route then there will not be enough races to do resulting in a shorter game play experience. Vise versa if it was for game play. With the high demand part recall how GT5 was launched. People complained it was short however they didn’t realize they did get the game earlier like they wanted. Vise versa if it was low demand. If the people of Gran Turismo really want customization, I say it is better to wait. Who knows PD might give more than what people expect for in GT6.
+1
If you are bored of racing in GT then I think you are playing the wrong game vr6as. Plus saying that the racing element doesn’t need to change but it needs to change for the better is just a contradiction.
All GT titles have been good, some better than others, granted. Like Djwess says though, the choices made by PD are due to limitations, mostly with the PS3. If you wanted lots of features, the race aspect would suffer.
I still think this game is as good as the others, each has its strong points over the others. GT6 if on the PS3 as it has been rmoured, will be an improvement on that.
@Djwess:
“If they went more to the customization route then there will not be enough races to do resulting in a shorter game play experience.”
That doesn’t make any sense. It does not cost an arm and a leg to make events. The cars and tracks are already there. To make events, all you need is ideas and with 1000+ cars it’s not a hard things to do, especially when you have a group of people to work with on top of it. And after 2+ years and a Spec 2.0 update, defending PD for a shallow career mode is ridiculous.
Racing around a track is cool but it does get a little stail sometimes, gt needs to try something new, new as in customization, and a new form of gameplay, GT world aka C spec would do it for me, imagine a massive world with highways, off ramps, city streets, parkings lots, Stop lights, see gran turismo is always been about a race track but the driving culture is not all about that. Its about freedom, freedom to customize and freedom to go wherever you want and thats something that will give new life to the series
+1 Couldn’t have agreed more with you. :)
Very true GT needs a refresh but not the refresh of driving on City Street. GT has always been about cars and racing them on the track nothing more nothing less. The new gen thinks it should be about cursing, customize or freedom to do whatever. If you really feel that then GT is not for you and you should just put it aside.
Yes games do evolve to become better and when they stray away from its core it can have dyer results as we seen before. GT should stay evolve on its current path which is Motor Sport racing, not take your Hot Rod to the local store or hand out to show it off or driving through town or the valley looking at the sites.
Okay we need to calm down… we all would love a game that mixes grand theft auto with need for speeds feeling of speed with GT’s realistic handling… droooooooool lol
Racing around the track doesn’t bore me, it’s the point of the game. When your using the cockpit cam it real doesn’t matter what it outside of the car looks like. Still, I do agree that a livery maker oils be great. It may not be important, but it’s a pet peeve of mine that when I’m in a race car it doesn’t look identical. I just don’t like racing around in a #1 Peugeot 908 HDi-FAP with two other #1 Peugeot 908 HDi-FAP’s. Or how if your in an Audi R10 TDI your running the exact same #8 Audi R10 TDI. It would add a great personal touch to have a livery maker and would help solve my pet peeve, lol. Even if it was just being able to change the car numbers in premium race cars and the identification color (color of the mirrors and little markings like that) that would be good with me.
I think you’re missing the point of the game. Last time I checked the Gran Turismo series was a “Racing Simulation” game with the intention to simulate the appearance and performance of cars / tracks as accurately as possible and is very effective IMO.
You don’t get off-ramps, free roams, highways etc. in genuine/REAL races (unless I’ve missed something watching F1, Touring Cars, Nascar, Le-Mans etc.) so if you want to ‘race’ around a street or similar, go play Need for Speed…
You’re never going to have 1 game that satisfies ALL permutations of how/where to drive a car. GT needs to stick to what it’s very good at, rather than try to throw everything into the mix as it would fail, or the actual good bits would simply be watered down.
I think byu the looks of all this everyone has lost the point…. this is a game… that is all lol driving simulator or whatever, it’s a game :)
@KiroKa
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You really think I’m using the Power Limiter as blame? I’m blaming us the users for this mess. If you had any time dealing with GT Prologue you’ll know the power limiter was introduced. Yes it allowed for quick placement of cars within GT Prologue. We used it and exploited the power limiter to the full excite to see what the cars were capable of within the new pp system. Once GT5 was released it wasn’t added because PD and KAZ felt it wasn’t needed so it wasn’t available pone release of GT5. Not until the “USERS” starting complaining about WHY it wasn’t in GT5. And all of this snowballed down to the hacking of the game data, coding for the cars being crossed used online and in return people are being banned for hacking the game data and breaking the contract agreement.
The blame goes to the bored user (s) that thought it may be fun to crack a PS3 following buy hacking game data and the snowball continues getting BIGGER.
God I wish I could pretend Prologue never existed… All it did was make me upset that 5 took so long to come out lol
You are very delusional Zuel. I suggest you get your head out of the clouds & realize that the power limiter or people that wanted the power limiter is not at fault here.
@HarVee
Did you not read? Or do you have your head in the clouds. The users are at fault here, ever action has a reaction. And our actions for asking for something instead of letting it be. You never know what would have happened if some of you never complained, or got bored or what ever. End story is that it’s done and move on with what has been handed. There is no need to mess a good thing just for VR fun.
Some of you really messed it up for the people whom really enjoyed GT5. I for one really enjoyed running my mildly tuned cars in the TT. Testing my sets to my friends to see who got the better time. Now no one can run their own tune becuase of this trouble which the USERS has caused.
Common sense is not so common.
Yes I did read. You specifically stated that the users who requested the power limiter are to blame for this mess.
You are not only wrong and delusional, but you’re indeed trying to put the blame on those who asked for the power limiter, which are not the exact people who are at fault here.
The power limiter and the people or ‘USERS’ as you say, that asked for the power limiter to return in GT5 are not those who have caused PD to ban peoples accounts, nor are they they the exact same “users” who started hacking/hybriding/whatever.
@HarVee
So these hackers are ghost is that what you’re are saying. Did they really get bored, cracked the PS3, hacked the game data and then started Hybriding the cars. Ghost not USERS “PEOPLE”? Ok go smoke anothe blunt or something.
Oh my fuc- I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here.
Zuel your so right about common sense not being so common especially the kids nowadays not pointing any fingers
No I think a brick wall is easier to talk to. Lol. I WAS KIDING. I just wanted to make a funny :)
lets hit 900! or even 1000!
What would make it a record?
I feel that everyone is repeating themselves over and over. At the end, PD will do whatever the heck they want.
I just want GT6 already.
I love GT; I’ve been enjoying GT since GT 1. I’ve watched the title evolve, during the years the old head as I call us watched GT have it’s up and down and buy far this is the worse GT has ever been in my opinion. Yea there has been one other title from the GT brand to get hacked because people got bored with it fast. This has happened again with GT5 for most people, these people have gotten bored with GT5 so fast they looked for another way to enjoy GT5. Thus the hacking started then once someone found out how to read the game data to see what else was in GT5 that was known to be held along to see wasn’t availed to us at the time. So many things went wrong when some people complained that the power limiter from Gran Turismo Prologue wasn’t in Gran Turismo 5 at first.
They complained and complained until the power limiter was added within a few weeks. Then follow the bricking of the cars due to punks not keeping their end of a trade deal and the honest people complaining about not getting their high end race car or rare street car. The car trading aspect of GT5 was to be able to collect all the rare standard cars and premium cars that came with pre-order packs when the game was first released. Things were fine and good for some time people worked and mastered the manipulation of the power limiter due to overly tuning their cars. Almost a year went buy with a few updates here and there then we get an update that shuck up the GT community by changing the performance points system. Yes there was some false in the new system and it was to our own demises. Caused by us overly powering the cars and using the power limiter to manipulate the power and torque to get the car stable, then we got the old system back.
Then someone hacked the data found, cross coded and made 100,000 RED BULL CAR, made a video posted it on YOU TUBE. From there END GAME has begun. People, some of those same people that cried the power limiter that wasn’t in GT5 from GT Prologue scrambled to find out how to get one of those high powered Bulls or away to change another car. Or the other half that wanted something more real world power instead of using the power limiter to get their overly powered cars to real world numbers. Those cars were run in the On-line events also in open and private lobbies. Those same people not know it was given their selves away every time they signed on-line. People forgot that every time we sign on-line or make a lobby our garage is automatically up loaded to the servers to search for any alteration in the bricked cars or anything major.
They have found the major alteration and now they have taken action and the lot is upset because they did. Their still upset knowing what they did and the penalties that follow and still want the freedom to hack the game to make changed or to have the option added to make change. And this bring everything to the first thing that was asked for ”Power Limiter” Some of you may say not if all may say that this wasn’t the problem but if you really look at it and clear the smoke or read in between the lines the power limiter was the real cause of this trouble. The reason why it allowed the manipulation of the power of the car which a lot of people used to their advantage once they found out how tune to track buy using the engine modifications along with the turbo or supercharger.
I could go on with a history lesson but I’m not, though this right here should really show you every action as a reactions. The action of asking for the power limiter for the soul prep press to manipulate the pp system as in GT Prologue in GT5 to gain an advantage has had the reaction of GT5 data/software to be hacked, cars (coding) to be altered causing the reaction of people being banned. And those same people are either pissed off to the charts and will never play or buy another GT title or the others that have to start all over and gain all those cars along with the levels again the hard way, no more money glitches and such. All of these actions have had an awful reaction for all the GT community. I as see it these things caused this current down fall for the Gran Turismo brand.
1. The early release of GT5
2. The addition of the Power Limiter from GT Prologue to GT 5 for the soul prepress to manipulate the PP system.
3. The punks that faltered on trades causing the cars over a determined credit to be bricked.
4. The cracking of the PS3 that allowed people to read game soft ware
5. “Sorg” Not to be at fault though, cracked GT5 to find out what was being held, because he was bored.
6. The people that wanted to Power Limiter wanted something new because they got bored of manipulating pp system, bored of trying to get the cars to real world power numbers from their overly tuned cars or they bought new cars and lightly tuned them to de-tune them to get to real world power numbers.
Once again I’ll go back to the beginning the release of GT5. Instead of asking for the Power Limiter wouldn’t you think asking for real world power numbers or the option to have to make a car with real world power numbers or the option to do swaps. Even though swaps wouldn’t have happen due to license agreements we still may have had the option to make real world numbers would have make more common sense? Not to be rude but common sense is not so common. And for the ones that had faltered must deal with the measures at hand and must decide what to do. For the ones that still overly tune the cars and use the limiter, the die hard core fans than keep their cars to real world numbers with the limiter still at 100% we must wait and see what will unfold in the later weeks to see if there will be any major change to GT5.
Are you for real?
And stop blaming power limiter in every single post and comment about negative (negative to you) aspects of the game.
And you’re wrong. PD gave us a power limiter menu to quickly fit our car to restrictions if it’s slightly above them, and hybrids/modding has nothing to do with that function.
Well said kiro
Sometimes it is better to leave personal quotations/emotions to self. So as long as there are die hard fans for the game whenever hacking or not PD is still going to make the games. Hell here’s an example look at Call Of Duty. Yea it isn’t a PD game but they did ban people as well. People for that game did the same thing we did, started posting about it. Also there was a guy like some of the people here saying the exact same thing that activision/IW/3arc was going under. Again so as long as there are die hard fans the games will keep being made up to a point. Hell, the same thing with bots in Runescape but there are still die hard fans playing that game who did/didn’t bot or hack.
I can understand the frustration of people who had their saves deleted and ban from online gaming. But what people should realize is they cannot target people for their mistakes hence the bans going around right now. People cannot point the finger at people called “non-hackers”. If the Company decided to do a sweep to ban people from hacking then it is on their behalf. Also keep in mind that PD is also a business as well in the gaming industry. How would it look if people saw a company you ran had the security hacked yet you say you can protect their stuff? It’ll look bad right?
This is what PD is trying to stop. If they want to continue adding new cars and tracks from manufactures, the manufactures want to make sure that their product will not be tampered in any way beside the part to tune with in game. The reason it was alright back in ps1 and ps2 is because the manufactures didn’t care about it at the time. That and there wasn’t for real online game-play (with the exception of GT4 I think). At this point, if PD were to look into GT6 (cannot believe I actually said that for one. was trying to resist), they will try to beef up security to make sure this doesn’t happen again. Also, it may be due to some of the people who made it completely obvious that hacking was happening in the game.
Just see this situation as a double-edge sword versus seeing it from a one-point perspective. Here in this situation, there is no winner.
“The reason it was alright back in ps1 and ps2 is because the manufactures didn’t care about it at the time”
Not true. It was never all right. The rule saying that you’re not allowed to modify game data existed back then too. People are just making a ruckus about it now because we now have online play.
@MunoNiuLa True man, Very true
I’m getting really worried about the new NSX Concept or any new car that might not come to GT due to all this? PD’s going to get in trouble if those manufacturers finds out about this guys. :\
True no car company has ever seen another car companies parts in their own models…. And then there are tuners lol
lol. XD
800 comments guys! Don’t you think it’s enough!?
No way, this is huge…
Ya im sure this will keep going for awhile. Not like there’s much else “new” with GT until maybe E3.
:rolleyes:
Why does the number of comments matter? It’s not like the website will crash.
It It’s never enough
Just figured out that you could still use Hybrid cars privately (in your own lounge) ?
Does this mean we could still use Hybrids without going to far? hmm
YES!
@Zezzocore take your ban like a man an get off your knees begging lol PD going under, you funny for that one, do the crime do the time, an dont get mad at the people that chose not to participate in disrespecting kaz, pd, and the gt community. so now haha
Non hackers. You’ve created a monster out of the “mind my own business” hack community. And u will be affected as well when PD goes under for not having any diehard fans left, honestly, I feel the hackers are more serious and skilled in the game..been around since day 1 on ps1. Worked hard for what, a deleted file over fake money and fake cars? Lol ok. I’m ready
Well put bro. +1. That’s exactly how I feel
So…by your skewered logic, in order for me to be a hardcore/diehard fan, I had to Hack the game????? Ok if you say so….
I have never face palmed so hard in my life. To be a diehard GT fan, you need to hack the game… Never in my life.. Ugh… :Facepalm:
@TokoTurismo. I have never face palmed so hard In MY life. what he means is most of the hackers have been die hard fans because we have been doin hybrids sine GT1. He’s not saying you have to hybrid to be a die hard. He’s just saying most of the modders are die hards. And all of you cry babies should get used to it
Oh…. Uh … :facepalm:
That explanation covered nothing, basically hes saying the best GT series players are Modders, which is very muddled logic.
Sure they (Modders) probed the games to get more depth from it but that hardly qualifies them as the best gt series has seen.
Instead of floating around here in the news thread and childishly calling people who disagree with Modding names, voice your opinion in the Main Forum pages of this sight (Neither 1 of you has yet) and hangout with some of the best in gtplanet and GTseries. They’ve been around since PS1 days too, just in case you thought that made you special.
Oh there are modders there too but their maturity level and yours are on different levels.
I would bet a million bucks a developper of the game is the one who released the crack. And so Fine not every die hard fane is cracking but it seems if you are a die hard fan you either crack or you cry about it lol which side you on? I don’t like crying and I like options :)
@Pit Crew upon going into the forums I found a biased opinion like I have seen in most forums with so many “die hard fans” they just hate the idea of messing with something so “perfect” AND IT’S ILLEGAL! At least here the modders can our 2 cents in without mad trolling from admins and “die hard fans” lol
YAWN XxDARKRAIX…
brianblaze just stop. That doesn’t even sound right.
Where did u get yawn from. Oh wait you must be one of those forza players. Haha I yawn back at that game
^ What are you talking about dude? o_O
I realy have no idea. I kinda just spaced out and said the first thing to come to mind.
lol. You’re funny. ;) You wanna call it even?
Ya sure. I’m actually getting pissed with hybrids too. Or the unrealistic kids who join a lobby and f*** things up. Truce.
Right on bud, haha. :) I agree with you about those unrealistic kids that make those annoying 100,000hp X1s and cars. The realistic hybrids are aright. :D
Zezzocore
Apr 07 – 2:33 am
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Dear Kazunori Yamauchi, respected driver and producer of Guran Tsurisumo,
I understand that modifying cars in this game is illegal. I do not modify cars only receive them for trade for paints online, yet I believe your online community polyphony digital, is rising, and the game is being played more now then ever, we understand gt6 is in the making, so as we patiently wait for the release, those of us (myself included) who have driven to great lengths to “legally” win cars such as the redbull x2011, turismo pace, edge camaro, and all the GT academy cars I’ve strived to place gold in all events for. I’m a diehard fan and have been with the saga since GT1 on PS1. Please do not ban my online service and ability to compete in competitions because others have re written certain codes in the game for pleasure, not work. The PP guidelines wouldn’t allow these vehicles to compete anyways, I understand the laws, and why your enforcing them, but please do not be so strict as to “punish” your fans. I have spent over 150 American dollars on DLC and I love the franchise. Misuse of the modifying software should be looked down upon only if used illegally, (selling modded cars) any other use should not be prohibited. Although I do not modify these cars or the game data myself, I feel my account is in danger over playing with these cars in private online rooms with my personal friends or just goofing off on the Sunday cup. I would like a response if possible about PDs feelings on this topic. I hope my opinion isn’t taken harshly and would like it to be a considered valid point from the defense side of this., never has cheating in a game led to banning, yet it’s still practically impossible to cheat at this game. I loved it before modded cars, and now I have a newfound respect for the possibilities being accomplished, especially out setting wheels and excessive lowering. I feel there is no need to take a negative strict action over this, the online community consists of user made races, that have practically no stakes at all, and in 3 modes, race for real, race for fun and free run. And constantly being a freerun room kinda guy I still hear and see discriminatory comments towards hacked cars as well as players using them, if they don’t like it, there’s other NO HACK rooms, hp limits, pp limits and go race someone there,
I think this ban is pointless. For all you crybaby non hackers. I know it’s a fan site, yet I have left this message not only here, I’ve personally emailed this to KAZ and a number of others at PD, left this on multiple fan sites and the games fb page. And if you look into it. Cheat codes for gta4 is against terms for ps3 and the flashing lights mod is against midnight clubs terms, yet rockstar allows both of these. It’s not the ban I’m worried about. It’s the extent of it, blocking these easily detectable vehicles from online areas is one thing. Deleting every car in someone’s garage is another, and I tell everyone these “terms” you keep throwing in my face as your ONLY defense for y hacked cars should be banned, aren’t applied in this situation, it specifically states any use OTHER THAN GAMEPLAY is illegal, therefore, by having the hacked cars, alone, or online, violates no “laws”. Only upsets the diehard fans that cry over someone else ruining the stock sanctity of the game. Once again, you don’t like racing a hacked car? Get offline or go race someone else, nothing of value is at stake by competing against these vehicles. It’s just a whiney uproar the is about to turn alot of fans the other way. You say PD wont be affected, but I almost assure you they will..
I’m banning you PD!
Guys can anyone help me ? I got banned from the online service but I’ve NEVER hacked anything! I’m a loyal fan of the series and now I get banned ?! Everytime I start up GT5 I get disconnected from PSN. The problem occured just today and I don’t know what to do :( Has anyone got the same problems ?
you probably just have to wait it out. that happens to me several times and usually the best solution i do is turning off the ps3, then setting the controller down besides, and then go outside and breathe a little.
U probably didn’t get banned. If you did you would have gotten a msg
Bout time I hope you guys had your fun
Yep still having fun :)
You just got served
This is just another snow ball effect. There is really no reason to go into detail but once people cried about one lost item once from GT5P to GT 5. Once the crying people got that item they were happy like little five year old. Two years has passed and those same babies want something new or for GT 5 to be more real life. Why is the hell didn’t you ask for that in the first place instead of asking for junk? This is the same trouble with the power limiter and the endless transmission. You asked for junk and you got it, now that people hacked cars to get closer to real life cars or to be just dumb. Just mad GT5 even more JUNK.
Why are you here if you think GT5 is junk
For the record it not the fact that people hacked the cars or found out how because lets face it even supercomputers get hacked its the fact that some of the hackers were dumb enough to go and do seasonals and time trials knowing that stuff is being recorded, the hacking and modding probably would still be able to continue if it wasnt for those few that couldnt take a non modded car to the seasonals.
Wait ppl are hacking lol Jk everyone is hacking I personally haven’t done it i really dnt know why I guess I’m missing out…bummer ..; ( well if we all ppl are hacking its for a reason why thats what gt5 gets for putting our hopes dwn so much more i expected out this game is good but not good enough by the way what downloads do you need to hack info any 1…help plz …
Yea me too, im the one who put the LFA on the map. When everybody was using corvettes, 458s, ford gt etc… I was in the LFA whooping on them on the nurburgring. The LFA is my fav and its the king of the nurburgring second to the ACR!
2010 camaro with the Z R1 motor or 69 camaro with the Z 06 LS7!!!!
Lexus I SF with an LFA engine sounds like a monster!!!
I love the engine tone of the V10 LFA engine <3
Well all my modded cars are gone but two now, which I am waiting to send to my secondary account, which I am still going to mod on for single-player fun or realistic mods only. Example: Lexus IS F ’07 with an LFA ’10 Engine Swap with 816hp.
NO U!! :(
FFS! Just merge or ignore these comments.
lol You’re funny.
No, continue! -1 Toko :p
Cheers XTR.
Derp, meant to respond below.
Oh really? -1,000,000,00 for your negative skin. Cheers @Amac500 Oh wait, meant to respone below as well. Did you even get what Amac500 meant after reading his post? You’re blind if you didn’t. T_T :tdown:
One of the problems that not many people realize, though a couple of people have mentioned, is the licencing problems with the car manufacturers. They want there cars to be as sold. After all, its all advertising to them. So why would companies be okay with you modifying there cars to insane perameters?
Because the game already offers these possibilities to quite some extent, and is inaccurate in lots of ways (for example car modelling such as details wrong wheel positions, to bigger problems like the car sounds). See my example of the possibilities of literally destroying Ferrari masterpieces in the game without any modifying of save or game data.
I doubt PD is going to face serious licensing trouble through this, let alone this modding community is pretty hidden for people outside of the game/gaming in general.
+2 KiroKai
^ STOP plussing others dude. T_T
good point and just wondering….. could pd be sued because of the unliscensed mods?
I agree Amac. The license agreement between PD and say GM stipulates no tuning for the 2014 Vette, but if its modded then taken online or something and PD knows but does nothing its probably a breach of their contract to some extent. In any case some are gonna find a justification to say they have all kinds of rights to hybrid and make them public, TOS and EULA be d*****, just like PD has everyright to attempt to Ban players that use them online in Seasonals and probably Race lobbies.
Ultimately a patch will more than likely be placed to brick their use online eventually, and don’t think that some group of PD employees hasnt been assigned to tackle this problem to prevent it from occuring in GT6. Im betting they are working with that hack tool also so they can put this hybrid thing to rest, in GT5 once and for all.
I don’t know that they would be sued Prodigy, but I do think manufacturers would be putting alot of pressure on them and up in arms if they aloud it to happen.
KiroKai, it is true that you can upgrade cars to some extent, but if the cars are all upgraded all the way then the Ferrari still holds it place and the upgrades are pretty normal after-market or race inspired upgrades.
Even with those upgrades, there are other problems that are incountered like the in-house rules of car companies. Little known fact, General Motors has an in-house rule that no car is aloud to be faster then the Cheverolet Corvette. Back in the 80’s, Pontiac had a made a version of the Fiero that had a bigger engine and a number of other upgrades. The project was low cost Pontiac, and it might have had a Corvette engine, I don’t remember the whole thing. The car was all ready to go into production, but GM killed the project because this new version of the Fiero was faster then the Cheverolet Corvette. That’s a story ya won’t find on the Internet either, my grandpa worked at GM and brought a pre-production version home and my dad drove it. They didn’t take prototypes around to car shows or anything. So yeah, even if you fully upgrade all of the cars in GT5 you will notice that the Cheverolet Corvette is still faster then any other car under the General Motors banner. I can’t imagine GM would be too found of people modifying GM cars to be faster then Corvettes.
I could be wrong Amac, but was that Fiero equipped with the Quad 4 DOHC engine, with turbo?
Oh yeah remember the Pontiac Banshee concept? Another victim of GMs quest not to have inhouse competition for the Vette. GM had some moments, exercising Roger Smiths ghost has cost them dearly.
That might have been it, I think I remember my dad saying it had a turbo. The banshee was wild, the Harley Earl design Pontiac Boneville Special was really wild from way back when. Pontiac had some big ideas in its day, it’s to bad it always kind of lived in Cheverolet’s shadow. When the Chey Cheetah died and GM didn’t have a car to take on the Cobra, Pontiac would have been a good badge to put a Shelby Cobra challenger under. That way Chevy would have had they’re fastest car with the Corvette and Pontiac could have lived a life outside of Chevy’s shadow with a fun little sports car that would have been slower then the Vette, but handled good and spliced GM’s pressure to the Cobra in the motorsports world. Idk if that came out exactly like it sounded in my head, but Pontiac deffinently had some big ideas that they never got to see through.
So let me get this right, GT5 is a racing simulation game, there is a bank of available cars that can be obtained by completing various tests, challenges, races etc all within the confines of the terms and agreements policy of the game. Hard nosed players will say this business regarding ‘hacking’ of cars is illegal (I agree), while other less gifted players feel the need to ‘bend the rules’. Has anyone realised that although they might only be playing with the cars off-line sooner or later, as with all cheats, someone will find a way to slip under the radar and spoil the game for the more honest amongst us by entering these cars in on-line races and possibly introducing bugs and viruses into the system. I know of at least one player who was sent a hacked car as a gift that contained a virus of some sort which wiped his game data. But, this is not my only concern surrounding the business of hacking and sonys reaction to it. I recently discovered that there is a discrimination made between Japanese purchasers of GT5 and the rest of the world. ie: they have a larger credit limit, 40,000,000 instead of 20m, instead of the lvl24 car tickets they have lvl40, apparently they can also purchase ‘extras’ for there cars such as nos!, a larger range of Red Bull2010 cars are available, more museum cards, so while I agree that sony need to introduce bans to users of hacked cars, surely they should allow everyone who spent a lot of money on the initial purchase of the game and any subsequent download content access to the extra content that is apparently only available in Japan. It just seems a little hypocritical to me, as if they are saying ‘ its our game, we will do as we wish’. Yours sincerely, grumpy gt5 geek
Wow can you say sentence structure?
So much biased BS, pretty much every of your stated facts is made up and wrong. I would go into detail but I don’t even bother.
Wow bro. I am a legit Racer in the game, but I like to have variety in drags, cruise and track days. It’s fun trying to drive a 1000 hp charger and trying to control it around the nurb. Or drifting with a 460 hp RWD Integra. Try it and you will think its fun, Trust me
Cheating is the getting of reward for ability by dishonest means.
So yes “hybriding” is is indeed cheating.
How is it cheating if all someone does is practice offline with it.
Sorry you cant throw everyone into the same category.
You failed to comprehend what I’m trying to indicate.
Allow me to elaborate – or at least try.
A reward is “A thing given in recognition of service, effort, or achievement.” In this case the hacked car is something you’ve given yourself from your efforts of altering certain files.
And dishonest means “Behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy or fraudulent way.”
Fraudulent means “Obtained, done by, or involving deception” Now lets look at the definition of deceit – which is a Synonym of deception.
“A dishonest act or statement.” Take note now that “fraud” “deception” & “cheat” are all Synonyms of deceit.
So are these players obtaining/giving themselves something for their efforts – a gift of some sorts? Yes they are.
Are these players behaving dishonestly and deceiving themselves? Again, yes they are.
So, when the facts are laid out like that, one is classified as a cheat, regardless of how much a person tries to justify their actions.
If one was in a competition I agree.
But what if one was not?
Dictonary term wise speaking this might be true (though I disagree that the hybrids/modified cars are the ‘reward’ themselves) but if it is cheating, whom are we cheating? The game?
For me it is only cheating on other people when abusing the modified content in the sense of making competitions (online) unfair.
But how are we getting a reward when we just drive and cruise. We don’t win anything. So therefore it’s not a reward and we are not cheating. Ur point is invalid
Going with the Red Bulls makes everyone the number 1 cheaters cuz does cars don’t exist in real life… (‘-_-)
So realistic hybrids with real cars is not cheating… (‘-_-)
Who is dishonest? People were so honest about it they started breaking records to prove it was going on.
I think it’s easy to write a sentence and then put a bunch of dictionary definitions, so I will do the same.
If you microwaved your dinner, and you told your girlfriend you made dinner, you lied… lol
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The only people actually cheating are the ones breaking records, and I think if the game has so many options to begin with I feel like PD is cheating too lol
XTRGT, do remember that the X2010 was made under Copyrights with RedBull and PD as a combination product and was produced in GT5 as a car that may not exist in real life but is infact a product of the game and under Sony’s EULA. Using Hybrided cars is not under the EULA and is strictly forbidden.
So When you find the exact scripture that says you can take a Copyright data of PD & Sony and screw with it using UnOfficial programing and then Modding/Hacking/Whatever to your game is ok? Then I’ll believe that its not cheating, but as far as Im concerned, It is.
Say you own a Ferrari 458 Le Mans Team. You have all of your sponcers and everything on it. PD bought copyrights to own it in the game but you said under the circumstances that it cannot be changed graphically. Now how are you going to feel when some twerp nerd takes your precious beauty and vandalizes it with a Corvette Motor and X1 Suspension. Oh, and he painted it Pink.
I’d be pretty mad. So how do you think Ferrari, Chevrolet, Jaguar, and all these other companies feel when they find out people can do this on a game that they have paid copyrights in? Pretty ticked I’d think.
That’s pretty much the nub of it Esgaloth – good comment.
OK, with a Corvette engine sounds perfect to me and X1 suspension (the car don’t exist, so it’s fine for me) and pink it’s just a color…
Yet PD has to fear to lose a license of a specifically liveried race car less than losing a brand license, and they allowed us to paint our actual 458 Italia pink, put gold chrome rims on it, a non-Ferrari approved wing (what’s with all their work getting the aerodynamics right without the usage of a wing?), put a terrible annoying race exhaust sound on it and go crash and damage it on a fictional track losing against a McLaren MP4-12C.
+1 KiroKai
After 700 + Comments all I can really see is one group of people who Trespassed on the Terms and Conditions (that next to none of us really read anyway), mostly in the name of creativity and mixing the pot a little, most–to create realistic modifications and tunes, but others–to supe-up cars to unreal parameters and win noncompetitive Races and Time Trials, though most seem to have less sinister intentions, they are sadly still in the wrong for breaking Rules they agreed to (whether knowingly or not, when you click “I Agree” you agree..
Then there’s a group of people hell bent on naming every last one of the aforementioned people Hackers, Cheaters, and some other names that are not really necenecessary at all; who believe the majority modify vehicles into Sound Barrier Breakers, and that all have no sense of Honor or Fairness and belong with more Arcadey Titles, and only seek unfair advantage, feeling they should be banned for all time–citing bad experiences they’ve had, and outlandish vehicles they’ve encountered..
And there’s the group in the middle, (which I am a part of) who may not own such Cars, but are interested to see the possibilities Modding/Hacking provides, and approve of the new life it has breathed into the somewhat stagnant line-up/tuning options GT5 presented–but also understand that the phenomenon is largely considered a breach of contract, and that the punishment(s) doled out, should be expected, and honored..
What we can all agree on (whether any side likes it or not) is that Polyphony will ban those they discover, the discovered won’t have any recourse, and GT5 will ultimately return to normalcy after a time, its already been set in motion..
In the long run, if Polyphony doesn’t at least provide these amenities in a Future Iteration, but some other on-par title does, many (especially those who were exiled) will most likely flock to that title, and many who are commenting “good riddance” etc may too be enticed by a title that really lets you pop the Hood/Trunk and swap/screw around with the innards of a car–instead of having any/all tuning options cut down to small and simple options..
GT4 included many Tuning Suites, I recall almost 6 Brand Names (not including In-House Companies like Mugen, Nismo, etc) and I know there were more, they also had a wider variety of tuning options, still not as extensive as these we are discussing, but still wider than GT5 none the less.. I have seen many realistic tunes being cited by the Mod/Hack side of course–and I believe 1000 bhp Supras are an integral part of Racing/Driving Culture, seeing as it is in existence, and the Pinnacle of Toyota’s Sports Car line-up (the 86 does not measure up to a Supra in my opinion).. You won’t be able to see one with the Upgrades available.. And though I’d love to own one, I don’t want my Account banned..
GT provides a lot in the terms of Options and Competition, and being owned by a Suzuki Cappuccino with a Veyron Engine would leave a salty taste in anyones mouth, that too is something you won’t see without these Modded Cars–but it is also horribly unrealistic, and deserves a ban if discovered..
I haven’t played GT in months, and this new debate brought interest back to it, but I still haven’t booted it up because the sight of one of those Cars will undoubtedly be rare now, and to figure out how to do it and create a tune of my own would mean banishment–GT5 was the reason I got a PS3 instead of a PC last time around, but depending on the Real PC Mod ability of the PS4 and what GT6 brings to the table, GT5 may be my last GT, Console Gaming has really hit a downward turn in my eyes, dumbed down graphics, constructive gaming, over pricing DLC and holding back key components as DLC’s are almost the order of the day..
Polyphony is one of the rarer Companies that have more Passion than Greed, they themselves probably have interest in some of the creations out there–they scour every corner of every SEMA every year, and like tunes as much as anyone else does; but in the world of business the red tape is everywhere and Cross Brand Engine/Part swapping would be impossible for them to implement in this GT with the standing License Agreement (its also the reason you won’t see a Porsche Carrera GT or Koenigsegg Agera DLC, I notice such requests here but those Brands aren’t in the Agreement–you won’t see them), don’t blame Polyphony for safe-guarding themselves, if they did nothing, I’m sure we’d see an Article here outlining a Lawsuit against them; furthermore it was the Ford Focuses with Ferrari Enzo Engines that forced their hands, it’s possible that all this could have lasted a little longer if everyone kept their Cars within the Realm of Realism..
No matter how much we all argue back and forth, none of this will change, those of us who liked this breakthrough have to lobby for inclusion in the next GT or another title that will pursue Full On Tuning..
I agree with most of your statement. In my own point of view, I think PD should let modding at some extend to improve the game experiences and so people can access things that were not in the game such as realistic tuning. Also, to fix the game. Many PC games support huge modding communities that keep the game going longer than it was ever expected by the developers and they get at least acceptance from these. I’m sorry I’ll mention this game again, but it’s a great example: Skyrim. this game has been improved by modders so much. All from textures, recoloring, new content and even bug fixes that the developer never offered. Why can’t it be like this with GT?
Before this news report I had barely heard from these mods, like the 3000hp civics, but I had no idea that there were even realistic tunning mods. I was so excited to see that with these mods you could even make engine swaps and such and I even considered doing it myself to fix some sound samples in the game and add some variety. I honestly wouldn’t care if they ban me for this, but then I figured it’s not really worth it. The sad thing is that I don’t think I’ll be touching GT5 anymore, as much as I want to force myself. I’ll just wait for GT6 and hope that PD learned something about all this and make the game a much better experience than it already is. Physics at the end, even though great, you get tired of doing the same thing over and over.
As for modders that do it to make 100000000hp cars, or to cheat their way through winning races and time trials, that could be blocked somehow. It’s not like PD hasn’t made games before. I’m sure they can figure out something in the middle ground. As for realistic tunning and things like that, hey, if you’re not going to make it possible PD, at least let this people find a way to do it themselves.
Long, but Very well put. Unbiased, Non-offensive, Mature.
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I am actually wondering if they are trying to make a middle ground by banning only the people breaking records and messing with people. I guess we will find out. Great post hands down.
@ HuskyGT I agree totally, as for Skyrim–yeah, that is one of the most highly mentioned Games that show the glaring difference between Console and PC Gaming, it seriously appears as if it’s a different Game even before you administer any Improvement to it through the countless Mods for it–I own Skyrim for the PS3 and to see what they have on the PC in comparison to mine, to be perfectly honest; it made me both a bit Angry and Jealous lol.. Consoles really have to broaden their horizons if they hope to keep some people from flocking over to PC Gaming I think..
As for ^this main issue^ we are warring over, ultimately I just want to see what Polyphony will do with GT6, I’m not sure if it will be what I and our GT5 Modder/Hackers are hoping it will be–but only time will tell, also I want to see how the PS4 turns out; I’m hoping it will have Upgradable Software, Memory, and Graphic/Video, etc and be a lot more Accessible (basically I just hope it turns out to be a Sony Computer) but I know it’s just wishful thinking on behalf of an Older Gamer who’s starting to want a little more.. As long as GT6 allows a good percentage of what our friends here have been trying to emulate (within realistic and licensable lines of course) I can see myself forking out some cash for another Drive with Kazunori, I don’t care if the number of Cars isn’t as high, I just like the concept of truly making a Car “My Own” and knowing that there won’t be many other GT’ers out there with one quite like that car.. I think it would be really interesting to see what cars you’d meet Online, with the addition of Advanced Tuning and a Livery Editor the possibilities would be endless and the Community would benefit all the more I think.. GT Planet would have some interesting Photo Mode Comps too as a side note lol..
complaining about modded cars? look at the photo I never seen an X1 on a dirt track O.o
That would be a first for me as well.
Looking forward to going back online once all the server scourge has been removed!
You should be able to return to the “fun” with the last update.
Good. Hope they ban the lot of them. This is a driving sim, not a mod sim. Get back on Ridge Racer!
SMH ridge racer…
SMH Ridge Racer? Never heard of that version!
Oh man. Why do people keep assuming every modder would rather play arcade racing games?
@MuoNiulLa Well, when you see people modding cars with ridiculous ride heights and such, you can’t really take this modding seriously.
Search youtube and you’ll see what I mean. 10 feet high Tank Cars, 20 feet high Dodge Rams, 1 million HP Pandas and such. and the saddest thing? All the comments below giving their PSN and asking for the car…
MuoNiuLa, I agree. If I want to drive a 500hp GT86 with realistic physics I don’t need an ignorant person yelling I should go to play Need for Speed.
And I wonder why people are getting so upset about the simple existance of modding since it exists in pretty much every more or less popular game.
If when I thought of modding I thought of ridge racer, I would be pretty pissed too. Go look at the proper cracked cars, ones with regular realistic HP with engine swaps and then come back saying the same thing lol
WTF ? Don’t try to justify it!! Play the game as it is, if you don’t like it too bad! But don’t kill the game for those of us who actually like it…
No.
No
no
I never won a race with a hacked car.
And once we have bought this game, it is ours.
If engine swap and in depth modification of the car isn’t allowed, then I can just throw my game in the bin if I want to!
Cars having the wrong sound, limmitations as to how low it can get or how many different wheels there is and no engine swap makes up a trashy game to me!
I want to burn it, but I still want to play it.
My money was wasted though.
Mention one game that has everything GT 5 has, but with more options to choose from?
I don’t think there is something better out there.
Make modification, swaps and more of what I mentioned and it’s all good because it’s inspirational regarding my real car, that’s a given…
:confused: ???
It’s real simple. Race with you’re trusted friends, boot suspected hackers. Case closed.
finally, something i agree with.
‘Suspected hackers’ is pretty much the opposite of ‘really simple’. There are so many ways of customizing the cars with mods, but if another player is just a little bit faster, at the current game’s state you just cannot know if he uses a modified car or not.
It’s about time :D
you bet!
Before I throw my 2 cents in, I like how the word we was thrown around everywhere without actually labeling it to someone or some group of people. Also this is a place to voice your opinion, not a place to call people inappropriate names and such because that is the type of things that can get you banned from this site in a heartbeat. And yes I did read BTR330 with things I agree on and things that shouldn’t been said at all.
Now since that is out the way I can start.
For the hackers/people for the hackers:
You, the hackers or people who have the hacked cars, are right to justify the means here. It is true in real life you could get a 1000+ BHP Supra as well as do engine swaps to cars. Example, I have seen a RX-7 with a Furai engine running around Nurburgring. Don’t believe the engine swap go play Forza. Also if you guys are just doing drag races/free roaming around it is cool to do so. Hell I was cool with the dude with the modded RX-7 car racing since I KNOW THE ENGINE SWAP COULD HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE. Hell we even added each other and kept racing. This only begs the question as of why didn’t pd add an engine swap option. Also online lobbies are hurting from the recent bans.
But where some of the hackers fail to realize is not everyone is cool with the mods especially if people are winning races with then unfairly. If there was someone to blame (if playing the blame game) people should target the people doing races in them. Also keep in mind that everyone who bought a copy of Gran Turismo 5 agreed to the terms and conditions. Again TERMS AND CONDITIONS, which means PD has the power do what they want whenever they want to hence the banning of people. It also stated that the consumer will not mod or tamper with their product. This is kinda similar to the anonymous hack Sony faced a year and a half ago to which they even had everyone re-agree to their re-vamped terms and conditions. But then again who has the time to read all of that stuff? (I know lawyers are paid to do that.)
Overall the hackers actually have something to fight for but they are facing some tough things to tackle along the way
For the people against hackers/Fairness:
For the people against all hackers and mods, you group of people are also in the right to justify means. Terms and conditions covers all of that junk and info only if people read it. I can also see how unfair it could be in the game overall. Offline, people could own the 24 hour races by just doing 60 laps and chill for some time until the pack catch up. This also yields easy money in events. Online if the person is stupid enough to race in it and the host tries to prevent it. This also counts for impossible lap times being posted in cars that cannot do it as well as winning races online with an unfair advantage.
HOWEVER THOUGH, there are draw backs to this argument. One example would be the finding of parts that were not in the game. People would have never known about the racing super-soft or stage 4 turbo even down to cars that were supposed to be P but ended up S. Another would be cars in real life having real-life engine swaps. Lets face it GT5 doesn’t have the option to do engine swaps. Online when I was racing the RX-7, it brought back to life the tuner car scene for me (tuners were dead to me). Also we have something known to GTPlanet known as Clubs and Leagues under online events under forums. This is the #1 way to avoid them. Since most clubs requires people to race in stock cars with no tuning done to it, it’ll make the hacker painfully obvious.
Overall: This groups has something to fight for but must face the hackers and the inappropriate names and such that may be said.
Couple of final thoughts:
From BTR330:
1.) let me began there: ALL OF YOU WINING,because ‘Hacked’ car ruining your online fun it is not fair etc arguments,what in the hell prevents you after 2 and a half years of existance of that game, from finding a few friends,opening your own lobby ,and doing your own rules???and even kicking cheaters??FUN NO??lool
Honestly nothing is stopping people from doing so. But why say wining, just say all of the people who complain. I agree with him but there was a better way of saying it
2.)AND FINALLY,TO ALL THE ‘GUYS’ STATING THEY GOING TO REPORT HACKERS ETC…WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU???SERIOUSLY??? I GET YOUR POINT BOUT HATING THIS,BUT REPORTING??!!!!! DO YOU REALIZE HOW WACK THAT IS ?? SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU,THINK YOU BODY MUST BE FLOATED WITH OSTROGENE OR WHAT…HATING HYBRIDS BUT YOURSELF HYBRIDING GENETICALLY LMFAO…
Well if it is breaking the rules then they can. Nothing is wrong with them, it was their thought and judgement to report. Personally I do not like reporting people but if it is painfully known a person is then I’m going to and it has nothing to do with hate. Didn’t want to say this but go look up Call of Duty hacks from 2009 on up. Yea it has nothing to do with this game but it did piss a lot of people off. That is justified to report them with out hating period. Yea it is lame to report but if it balance out fairness then people would rather be wack man. People want what they paid for, they didn’t pay to see hackers run rampart. Then again EVERY GAME CAN BE HACKED.
3.)on a last note,i get all this stuff about intelectual rights,marketing,advertisement and all the PR stuff related to this,but honestly…IDGAFx1000:: im not worried at all for all these multinational corps,neither for SONY or PD…if you are,then sorry your a brainwashed sheep …..but ok,you are important for the company you support…like reporting people,without you GT5 is screwed…congrats all the sheriffs out there,gr8 achievement….maybe you get free credit in GT6 for your worthfull contribution to the GT franchise…SUPERB
Sarcasm much? This note could have been left out (and so does some of the things I have typed). True PD doesn’t care so as long as they are making money same with Sony and hell even the government people live with. Also there are three things people could do in this situation man.
1.) Get the hell up out of there
2.) Stand up and do something about it
or
3.) Shut the hell up, deal with it, and live with it
Overall: BTR330 +1 would have been a +2 of he kept out some of his personal manners from the speech (Yes I’m aware it is the same with my speech) I agree up to a certain extent.
Leave YOUR opinion (positive or negative) below. I cannot say anything about it your opinion is your opinion I can either take it as it or just ignore it. Also do not mind what others may think. Again it is YOUR opinion.
Well put :tup:
Ya I agree with the races. Stick with the real cars for those. But drags and cops and track days Is fine. Plus if you usually have a hacked car where u changed hp and weight and wing etc. usually makes the car worse around a track
BTR330. Your whole post was completely incomprehensible. You shoulda spent more time getting educated than playing gt5 for real.
I’m sure you made some good points but I can’t really say what they were.
Thank god. This is the reason why I have stopped playing GT5 for almost 2 months now. It’s just you’re serious about the game then a hybrid Civic or an Rsx with HSV engine will appear. K’m happy PD is taking action of this. I am still not sure if I will go back to my seat infront of my G27 soon tho. Trying to stay more active physically I’d say :)
They’ve released an update that fixes this problem :) (hopefully) but you’ve probably read about it by now as this is merely an attempt at 1000 posts.
So far from what it appears, ‘More Gran Turismo 5 DLC Confirmed by Kazunori Yamauchi’ on July 1st, 2012 holds the record for most discussed with 773 comments. And no, this isn’t 2nd, or third either, but it’s getting there.
I honestly thought the DLC was done for, and all further development would be on gt6.
About the picture. Why. That would be worse than the fiat 500 lol. The x1 has a top speed of about 5 off road. But might as well try it. Seems fun in a group of those goin 5. Hahaha
The dust storm the fan generates makes it seem a lot faster haha.
Honestly who gives a care? Ive hade every single freaking car in the game for a year or two now. If I know about the hacking, I would have probably did it just to have something different in my line up. You can only have so many duplicates painted different colors and with differnt wheels. Come on what do you expect people to do after all these years to keep themselve entertained? We’re getting restless PD bring on GT6 already.
+1
I’ll tell you who gives a care… *crickets chirping*
Seriously nice post :)
They took so long to make 5 that it was cracked before it came out!
Probably too soon? :)
“Honestly who gives a care?”
Well, obviously many people do, judging by the amount of responses to this article. I do agree that GT5 is getting a bit stale though.
Theres about to be alot of level 1s with alot of new names popping up, lol. Im happy i been off since december so my account dont get banned, because im using my same same for gt6! Whats up infamousphil. We my as well go for 700 comments!!!
Interesting you have made more posts on here than you have in the forums.
Are you here to stir people up in this news feed or will we see you contribute to the gtp community?
If I have the Red Bull X2010 JP Flag Color and the Red Bull X2010 5G and I got them by modding the hex values of the original X2010 will they ban me for that too? I only modded them so I can have two of the rarest cars in the game.
Only if you’re caught online with it.
that stinks because the truth is I think that we all want one.
The 5g? Yeah I deffinently want that one. Sounds like the X2010 that you can actually race with.
I doubt they will do anything, they don’t have the balls to ban 3 quarters of the GT5 community
Dare to try your luck?
So far none of the hybriders I know have been banned because unlike huge idiots they would never try to break records lol
or piss people off… If the room says no hacks… don’t go in there with hacks lol
To be honest I have only seen hacked cars in hacked lobbies. Most of the hacks were in the lobbies designated as such. I do dislike people taking advantage of time trials though. Honestly there is no way they thought they could get away with that.
I’ve seen plenty. If ignored it could get out of hand. You could find yourself spending most of your online time rage quiting or weeding out and kicking the cheats from own lobby.
Or better yet finding REAL friends to play with… nah :P
You guys might be right. I visit this site daily but rarely play the game once every two weeks. I do agree with the getting out of hand part infamousphil.
OMG over 660 comments!
This topic certainly got us all talking.
Shame we can’t all just get along nicely lol
:p
If this is what sparks debate, why not, right?
What’s the point of 100k+ bhp cars on gt5 which states to be the ‘REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR’ just grow up and learn how to be fast without cheating
Read BTR330’s post before labelling us all cheats. Oh, and GET OVER YOURSELF
X1 is maaaaaaad realistic ;) And yes cracking doesn’t mean cheating…
Manipulating an original programming (cracking), beyond it’s intended parameters, is cheating.
So I guess if you manipulate it and make something slower or less powerful you cheated also… LOL
Yeah to bad nobody does it like that blaze. If you wanted to slow it down you give yourself and ass suspension set up and power limiter. Cracking is absolutely 100% cheating, no 2 ways about it.
It’s realistic. I want 1200 hp out of a supra which is realistic. I want an alpha 12 GTR, twin turbo gallardo. And a Twins Turbo Viper GT’S It might be cheating but who gives a F***. In fact I’m going to keep using these hybrid cars just to piss you kind of people off because your just jealous that we can do it and u can’t, I bet if everyone who is complaining bout modders knew how to do it. You wouldn’t be crying like a little b****
^^ haha I feel ya I was just trying to say u can manipulate good and bad lol but I feel you I would never do anything beyond realistic and I think that it’s too bad people thought they were funny breaking records… made crackers look like asses, and everyone else all of a sudden grew vaginas lol
They’ll do what they want. Cry
To raise the spirit of the Gran turismo please watch this video on youtube: watch?v=ZNJGcFR3HT4 Author: TATSUYA1984NOV and enjoy!
Bravo gtrx, that’s the spirit
Still epic… Insane drive/comparison. That was intense.
WIN!
Approved.
You’ve restored my faith in GT5.
Spirit sucessfully raised. Well done sir :)
Shwing!!
I have never noticed how accurate the Nürburgring in GT5 is to its real counterpart, until I watched that video.
I watched that on my phone and I am once again proud to own this game.
I don’t have hybrid cars, don’t care! I put my bottom in racing seat, grab the wheel and It’s on. Just drive people, PD makes all of you happy maybe not now but.., when the room is ok and no idiots on tracks, when you going full speed side by side, when your eyes stop producing moisture, then is time tu say “yes, PD makes me smile”. If not so, don’t race with gt, if so, stop the complains!
Nuf said gentleman. +1000
LOL… ok Sir. You must not mind losing a race as much as I. But when I do lose a race, I’d like to know that it was a fair fight. Not lost to grease on a slider, not sticky stuff on a pass, witch brewed fuel or hacked areodynamics.
I’m fine losing a race to a realistically modded car. Plus most of my non hacked cars handle better in general so I would use them. But people who make their car 100k hp is honestly childish and don’t know how to race. Besides. Tuning a 800-1000 hp car is quite difficult.
Lol. It so how says 800-1000 is a phone number. Try and call it to see what happens
To raise the spirit of the Gran turismo please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJGcFR3HT4 and enjoy!
This is the most Comments I’ve seen here (on GT Planet’s Articles) in a long long time, very hot debate–and a lot of good points being made from both sides, I hope someone from Polyphony has the ability to check this out..
agreed
Funny, I have yet to see any justification for hiding a hack job. Oh.. except for the guy, a couple hundred posts down, who said he “meet the PP restriction…”.
You hide the hack job because of cry babies and bannings… that is all
thx 100k BHP idiots !!!!! ill lose my supra 1000BHp. and 70s challenger 1600bhp. hack is for fun, and not to gain advantage !!! 100k BHP car are pointless because they cant turn !!!. I succesfully completed nurb and le mans 24 hours in a-spec, all gold trophys, i have some skills. i just wanna see some 1500 bhp gallardos, 1000 BHp supras, etc as we see in real life.to play with my friends in free run lobbys. When i compete im fair and allways respect other players.
After cycling through all the open lobbies on the open GT server’s last count was 74 open lobbies.
Damn, I thought PD might’ve taken an opposite stance on this and seen that the community wants better control over modifications. Ah well, time to stop kidding myself I guess..
hello evrybody,im brand new on GTP usually i dont take myself as this important that i feel the need to share my opinion everywhere,but now on that topic i just couldnt resist due to few incidents a had related to this,and some (outrageous) comment read on here.
1st of all a description of mine,im a GT racer from day1,im more into simulation then racing,the win aint my main goal but the drive itself,i use a wheel,drive without any assists including ABS set on 0,nurburgring is my homebase and important:im against ANY KIND OF CHEATING (whatever that means,is a 500pp NSX or CSL on RS tyres a cheat?4me yes but idgaf if someone’s happy winning this way its a good thing,but all of you using that combo are in my eyes CHEATERS LOL,as well as RS tyres lobbies on streetcars in itself are a CHEAT already,and anyone racing there aswell,yes YOU who point the fingers on others!!in MY EYES YOU ALL CHEATERS dont need hybrids for,this enuff already!!! lmao!!!BUT, I AM NOT GOD AND MY PERSPECTIVE AINT A UNIVERSAL LAW,NEITHER YOURS PROBABLY XD) but all of you running this configuration,are already out of the game IMO when the ‘mods not realistic’,go play NFS arguments come…but ok i didnt wanted to come to that point this quick lol nevermind… so yeah during the past 2and a half year of my ‘GT online life’,i have met many type of racers,noobs,rammers,retards,however you can discribe them but also many fabolous racers,sum are faster,sum are slower,but a crew with a good basic speed has grown outta nowhere (as an indicator,last stock race i remember we had was fully stock vetteRM06 @N24by night,RH tyres wear on,real grip made 8:13 on 2nd lap,and nearly each of us is able to do that time +10secs at last,or faster),coming together nearly evryday but more the freestyle way,nothing planned,we race absolutely anything from stock CS 400pp,tuned 500 to single model race to gt500 enduro to lmp,without penalties,real cars real crashes and not with that RIDICULOUS AND UNREALISTIC NFS STYLE GHOST DRIVING BS LIKE IN MOST LOBBIES (huh ya sim drivers?lol) streetcars max SS tyres,normal Racecar on RH,AND RECENTLY HI POWERED RM’d STREETCARS ON RS SOFT NOOB TYRES LOL!!! EXAMPLE: 1475hp lambo murcielago 670 RM,nomad diablo chassis RWD,7gears RS (BTW KUDOS TO THE CREATOR ITS A BEAST;D) <<boooooooh cheater!!lmfao what brings me straight to the main point….. THE BAD HACKING OUTLAW CHEATERS RUINING YOUR ONLINE/OFFLINE RACING PLEASURE WITH UNREALISTIC AND ILLEGAL NFS MODIFICATIONS,ALL THIS JUST TO WIN BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO SKILLZ…..LOOSERS……
let me began there: ALL OF YOU WINING,because 'Hacked' car ruining your online fun it is not fair etc arguments,what in the hell prevents you after 2 and a half years of existance of that game, from finding a few friends,opening your own lobby ,and doing your own rules???and even kicking cheaters??FUN NO??lool
and i have an answer to this wich wont please you very much unfortunately…….
it could be probably because the main part of you,HAVE JUST FOUND ANOTHER EXCUSE IN HYBRIDS TO 'JUSTIFY YOUR LACK OF SKILLZ',you know all off those racer hopping around from lobby,entering race,and dropping out as soon as you realize you wont be able to win,probably with creating a massive noob crash at race begin (N24,1st corner OMFG LOL) ,and you just cant accept that there is people who have certain ability to bring a car fast round the track,and you maybe NOT!!!
i have met really many people on GT,i must have had over 200 friends overall,and i GUARANTEE you EACH RACER with a minimum driving skill level (being polite may help aswell,like sorry if u cause a f*+## crash!") around there who not drive around like a b#** on LSD,has his little crew around with his m8s were they build their races,or joining m8 of m8s race wateva…
OF COURSE,A NOOB JOINING NOOB LOBBY WITH A NOOB WINNING IN 40000HP CIVIC cannot become sumthing good!!!LOL but strange,no one of my m8s has ever complained bout hacked cars ruining FUN or CHEATING lol what the hell are this for sort of lobbies your are joining??????
probalby like one wich i hosted the whole weekend,HYBRID LOBBY (1500hp,then 1500hp/800kg because damn hemale drivers in redbull n zhit) wich is obvious alrdy just seing setting,+me insisting each entry ALL CARS ALLOWED/MODIFIED WELCOME,then u met sum experienced dudes driving RMd streetcars like lambo mentioned above for example,or furai x2010 or wateva round the track,with a inital speed double as fast as you already,then with a car twice as powerfull as yours,and without crashing at evry damn corner,at the end you hear things like DAMN CHEATER , DAMN HACKER…YA THINK THE CAR DRIVE ITSELF ROUND THE TRACK???LOL
or like yesterday, racing with my m8s in MY freaking lobby,for our damn pleasure,not kicking intruders ,but even being polite enuff to wait 4 people to get ready and choose car/tune,in a free room MENTIONED AS MODDED ROOM/EVRYTHING ALLOWED,then gettin smoked in an assisted LMP by my RWD lambo by 40secs (7:30 laptime),THOUGHT YOU WERE FAST ?THINK AGAIN!!!LMFAO and that pi$$ u off that much ,that u saving replay,telling me that a copy of that is getting sent to sony/PD,damned cheater blalblaaa ,but me then,offering to the guy a MAN vs MAN duel in a stock RC,face to face,but not having the balls to accept,instead of that goin report me ?!! 100% HEMALE style LMFAO…but i reckon this trendy nowadays acting bit 'girly'as guy teached by TV..pink is beautiful loool
only ONE guy ACCEPTED a race versus me,after calling me cheater,i defied him,in stock F40 SH tyres,and after i won,he didnt even quitted,stayed and later expressed his respect,and ironycally even added me…lool took it as a man respect AL-OURD hehe
same as for TTs ,after seing some reactions here looks likes HYBRIDS own every place before you in the leaderboards!!!LOOL and this ruined your life…….GT5 RUINED…..of course there may be sum noobs in leaderboards before u used a feckin hybrid…yeah this is LAME…but seriously? WTF?LOL
but even now,that TTs are stock,still many of you think cheating goin on……and IMMORTALPILOT is the biggest cheater in human history huh?????LOOOL damn cheater…….all leaderboard cheat….dammit…..;///// STOP BEING JEALOUS ,RECKON IT RESPECT IT INSTEAD OF BITCHN LOL::::IMMORTALPILOT is a virtual sim genius!!!!and you is not…theres always someone faster then you out there!! ;D
AND FINALLY,TO ALL THE 'GUYS' STATING THEY GOING TO REPORT HACKERS ETC…WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU???SERIOUSLY??? I GET YOUR POINT BOUT HATING THIS,BUT REPORTING??!!!!! DO YOU REALIZE HOW WACK THAT IS ?? SUMTHING IS WRONG WITH YOU,THINK YOU BODY MUST BE FLOATED WITH OSTROGENE OR WHAT…HATING HYBRIDS BUT YOURSELF HYBRIDING GENETICALLY LMFAO…
on a last note,i get all this stuff about intelectual rights,marketing,advertisement and all the PR stuff related to this,but honestly…IDGAFx1000:: im not worried at all for all these multinational corps,neither for SONY or PD…if you are,then sorry your a brainwashed sheep …..but ok,you are important for the company you support…like reporting people,without you GT5 is screwed…congrats all the sheriffs out there,gr8 achievement….maybe you get free credit in GT6 for your worthfull contribution to the GT franchise…SUPERB,,,,
thats ,it 1st and last comment ever cheers
Btr, i agree, good text.
I would like to race with you, nordschleife. My acount is BalogD, gonna try to find you by name and send friend request, cya
+1 BTR…… No matter what a person drives there is always someone who can do it better. This guy got mad and kicked me for game hot lapping the N24 faster in my FR-S with a 2JZ at 800hp (666pp) than his fully tuned Zonda R. I would have felt embarrassed too if I was in his shoes – guess he had to save face.
+ BTR330 – Finally there are more people with the same thoughts I have about this whole thing, and I love the Nürburgring Nordschleife … (^_^)
I must be too old to understand all that bad spelling, use of idiotic acronyms, and horrid grammar. I honestly can’t believe I wasted my time reading it. I actually believe I am now less intelligent for having endured it all the way through. How old are you? 10?
Let’s try to put it in terms any person with at least a third grade education can easily read and understand shall we?
You think you are an awesome racer and will glady race anyone in a hybrid to prove you are better than them on the ring. You don’t care if people have them or use them.
Two sentences. That’s all your really needed.
blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah drunkin dribbles if you ask me. Didnt make one point except that he or she thinks she is AWESOME!!!!!! Im really proud of you!
I thinks shes 12
+1,000,000 BTR330
Drivel. Nothing but drivel. You failed to make one decent point, and your entire book did not even havedecent punctuation and grammar.
Do people even read the AUP before they register an account on this site?
-1,000,000 BTR
you could have made that short and to the point but, from what I hade the patients to read over I think I agree.
You seem non acceptant of tattoed people as well. Lol biased, lame, opinion.
omg if i get banned from Gt5 cuz i hacked 3 cars.
I don’t understand people who hack their car +100k bhp, i only doubled my bhp (around 1000 or less) mostly only visual like removed wings.
i think most of people hack because they want to do something new and customize their cars, which is fun if u keep it in limits.
I have hacked two cars, because it is fun and not because I have no skill… I am going to backup my savegame and disconnect my ps3 from the internet… I know this will not help deleting my account BUT i am afraid that my savegame, which I have worked two years for it, gets deleted… (sry for bad english…)
If I see a hacked car being used online i’ll report your sorry ass myself to Sony.
Hackers to me are useless gamers who don’t have the required skill set to play a game within the parameters set by the developer. Hence they hack to gain an advantage.
Anything else they say is just BS trying to justify their cheating ways.
You’re making yourself look quite ignorant if you think everyone hacks to cheat.
I hack to do something different and realistic. It’s fine if you report cars that are 100k + hp but honestly if your going to report someone with a dropped or engine swap car, then you have a really sad life. I also think you might be jealous that we can hack and you can’t. Just saying
What you need to understand is there are two types of hackers. Those who use it to benefit in races and those who do it for fun.
Unless you call the people that take rear wings off cars, paint race cars or put manual gear boxes in a Prius “useless gamers”? Then you have been sheltered in your own GT world.
I have many modded cars but I have never entered them in an online race. Forza allows for engine swaps so does that mean everyone in that game needs an unfair advantage ? Modding allows for way more creativity and I bet at least half of you arguing against modding would change their minds in a second if I offered to teach you how to mod.
If everyone thought inside the box like you do. We wouldn’t have Sony.
Well, some of you people did alter files that were copyright by Sony & PD, and that is against the ToS.
You people knew the risks, so why complain about the punishment? Hell, if PD/Sony really wanted to, they could not only ban your accounts but could file a law suit against you. So just be happy that they haven’t gone that far with it (yet).
+1
No comment.
I doubt they will start suing people. Hacked cars have been possible since GT1. People are just making a huge fuss about it now since GT5 is the first game in the series with online play. Hopefully, PD will learn from this by not only giving players the customization options they’ve been begging for, but also to make their games more secure from now on.
I personally doubt they would too, MuoNiula. Still, PD & Sony can if they feel it is deemed a justifiable action.
Unfortunately, MuoNiuLa, engine, body and parts swaps aren’t enough for these hacks.
They would never sue because they could actually lose… Otherwise Blizzard would be suing people instead of banning as well (There is real money to be made in diablo 3 no one has actually lost any money since cracking began in GT5)
Zuel did you read his idea, file checker LOL, didnt sound to bright to me and he asked who agrees and i said we dont speaking for the people that can see his idea sounds…well dumb, not because im set on a method, even kaz would LOL at a file checker idea. And teamcrz no need to explain futher you said enough file checker lol
Gran Turismo 5 Born November 24, 2010 Died April 5, 2013 Gran Turismo 6 Born ?????, cant get here soon enough so the real vets can leave the little kids to there hacked gt5
+1
I would love to comment but I’m not.
More ridiculous assumptions.
LOL I love it too bad GT6 will be like …………… ………….. …………….. Yeah you still waiting!
Ummm No teamczr we dont agree
a) Would you please reply directly to the comment I replied to?
b) What part of my comment makes you disagree? I’ll gladly explain my point of view further if it clears things up.
@TeamDZRRacing
I wouldn’t bother because it’s hard to get some things across some people of this form due to their dead set on their idea or method.
Simplest way PD can fix this: have parameters or scanners for save files. If code gets outside of the set parameters, it can be marked as “modified”, and the game could then delete it, make it unusable, or send a report on that specific player.
I don’t care about fairness here. I’ve said numerous times that terms and conditions (which you agreed to) override fairness. If you modify PD property (which save files ARE a part of), you lose your access to the game. Sure, it may add features and that weren’t possible before, but that’s what ALL hacks and mods do, don’t they…? I don’t get why all of a sudden people are modding and then feel like they’re getting ripped off. I read a comment earlier mentioning how manufacturers may not want engine swaps to be possible – his example was GM not wanting to see a Ford engine/component simulated in one of their cars. We already know Ferrari’s take on their F1’s – you can’t race them against other vehicles. I doubt they’d like them painted, let alone having swapped components. He also mentioned re-painting liveries – the sponsors may not approve. These actions could spoil future license deals for PD, potentially.
So maybe PD COULD have had these features implemented, but licensing held them back. If so, there’s a potential that these mods and hacks could get PD in trouble.
I agree that GT5 should have a file checker, but I think it should be able to edit files so that all of their parameters and code are within parameters set out by PD. So, if a car that normally has 1,036hp fully tuned is modified to have 1,046, then the file checker would simply restore the car’s HP to 1,036, and it would do so in a manner that didn’t corrupt the savegame. Further, the file checker would be hosted by Polyphony Digital themselves and would remotely check the user’s save data every time they boot up GT5 while signed in to PSN. Before anyone jumps my a$$ about advocating always-on DRM, you’d still be able to play the game and use modified saves offline because the checker wouldn’t be able to access your system. This way, it makes online races fair without requiring you to be online to play the game.
Who agrees?
I do agree. But PD has these rules in the terms of service for a reason, and as I said, there’s a potential there’s legalities involved.
I agree, I did do it at first but I never thought of it that way. Not only could it hurt contracts, but sales as well. If you owned a real life Ferrari 458 GT2 Race Car with YOUR livery on it and you gave it to PD, don’t you think you would want it NOT to be touched? It is your name there after all
Yup that was me.
That really was the biggest point to my post is that it “could” cause real problems for future licensing and God knows nobody wants reduced car selection or further delays for GT6.
As many others have stated PD/SONY HAS to do this.
So I cant have my windless skyline r-34…?
ya ya just keep it on the dee-low lol
I’m glad PD took action against hackers on this. Hacked cars are not only unfair, they can cause serious stability issues for everyone else in the lobby if done poorly. Hats off to PD for taking care of this.
F. U
put a limit on jour bhp ant weight, if you do that all cars are almost the same nomatter its a nomal car ore a hackt car. It’s just for fun whit friends. Ant it’s no problem when jou drive a hackt car online, as long jou inform them so you mite get some competition when you drive your lfa arond the track on 550pp!
Don’t ban the players just make the game better!
If you hack the game’s handling data, it’s possible to make it so that the car behaves like it has a lot more power and grip while still keeping it under power and weight limits. I know this because I’ve modded handling files in GTA IV before (granted, Rockstar Games supports modding the PC version as long as you don’t use your hacked files online). I once had a Volvo which I’d downloaded that could accelerate to 60mph in around 1.5s and could take a 90-degree turn at 60mph despite having “officially” only 200bhp. :lol:
But yeah, you can see where this would be extremely unfair in a dedicated racing game. I’d be reporting hackers to Sony Online Entertainment as well.
To make it clear what you are saying is changing chassis, You put an x1 chassis in any car it will handle like an X1 also giving your car X1 PP. Raising grip will allow you to take off faster but will make you flip if you turn too hard also raising PP and creating a car that is very hard to turn. Nothing is perfect but I am just saying it’s incredibly obvious when you are barely holding onto a turn and someone flies through it like it’s nothing and you have room limits set.
To keep it real I will be reporting everyone I see online just to flood PD with more irritating and useless reports… MUAHAHAHA
Seriously though I love you
I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been off GT the past couple months cus I haven’t really had time to play, and I’m kind of glad because I’ve missed the whole hybriding thing so I haven’t got caught up in it. Kind of glad about that and now that I’m starting to get time again I can comeback to the fair play I left at, lol.
You didn’t miss it. Its still going.
Most comments yet on a gtplanet news forum and counting.
There was over 700! When the Aventador was anounced as DLC i think
Damn, We have reached 600 comments xD
Almost on the way to 1000!
@Husky, I’m estimating this number from the amount of cars I see in lobbies all over the place. I play in many varieties of lobbies, from Drag to Real as Possible simulation racing. Always someone is talking about hacked cars they have, their friends gave them or someone is using them. I see and hear about them in just about every lobby I enter. And I;m not saying 80% make them, thats absurd. But I will stick with ~80% owning them, or have owned them, why? Because friends just give them out to their friends without them even asking, even if it’s just one in their garage, it still counts.
Interesting. It does sound possible then. I’ll have to check online lobbies more often.
And again, the best advise is to get rid of gift cars. You’ll never know if they slip in a modded car into your garage and you don’t even notice it, then PD checks your game and before you know it you’re banned.
Danm I feel out of the loop. Haha It’s been a minute since I’ve played online. I’ve been missing all the fun or maybe not.
I doubt you’ve missed anything, but it’s still a fun game for a lot of people.
WHy oh WHy are you bitching about this…. what you never thought Sony or PD would act?
Its against the T&C’s about altering the game save so why complain when Sony / |PD start banning.
The next thing PD will be forced to do is make save games uncopyable… then you will be pissing and moaning AGAIN… and the only ones to vent spleen at are the retards that started to hack the game save and use the cars online…. and continue to do so. Honestly some of you will never ******* learn!
+1 Hentis
I’m willing to bet more that 80% of the GT5 community has a hacked/modified game data. It would be interesting to see all of them banned, and by the looks of what has been going on, they are only banning those who use their hacked cars in Seasonal events, Time Tirals, Drift trials and changing their name/flag with a secret menu. Otherwise other people that have hacked seem to be fine.
I will take that bet!
20 to 25% tops.
Actually not much has been going on yet,so EVERYTHING your saying is based on a lot of assumptions and a few scattered tales of banning. I think PD was slightly obscure with their bulletin to send a clear message that Hacking is over, but that is just an assumption.
I think 80% is way too high. I want to assume you and a large group of your friends do use and make cracked cars reason why you think it’s the majority.
I don’t even go online so I don’t really know how much these cars have spread around. But I want to think it’s not common to find people cheating with these ridiculous mods. As murphsmoose said, 20 to 25% sounds more plausible.
My advise for all of you is to erase any car that you receive as a gift, just in case. I don’t want to be banned from playing a game that I’ve been playing fairly since before most of you couldn’t even hold a controller.
I took some time to view a GT5 hacking/hybrid video. For those who suggest that there are online room regulations to control creating… I wonder if those regs can recognize things like engine swaps, suspension hacks and other tuning setups that are not part of the usual scrutinizing process? Until proven otherwise, good riddance ;)
Actually yes Phil, the pp system does recognize the the different engine swaps. I have used for an example my FR-S that I used a 2JZ swap at 800hp and the stock FR-S motor enhanced to 800hp – the 2JZ unit came in at 18pp higher than the stock unit. Moreover, I did a chassis swap to the same car to the Castrol Tom’s Supra for downforce – pp went up by 54.
Skirting the issue? Ok… I don’t think meeting a pp limit, in any way addresses, “parts swamp” identification.? “If” I were to intentionally hack up a whip into a ‘turbo 90s’ room, it would be an R33 wrapped around a R35 chassis. Of course it would meet what ever PP you’d like and your 30 year old “clean” entry chassis and drivetrain would have to keep up with a 21st century s h i t storm of relentless kick a s s “SUCK THIS!!!”
dang ;(
If you set the PP to exactly the max an R33 could be pluis the HP and hell even the wieght (that would change with a chassis swap) then even you with your R35 inside of an R33 couldn’t get away with that.
Wow infamous. Your reall making yourself look intelligent by throwing off the rocker comments when you feel..that make no sense
Sorry… lost my temper?
What I was attempting to point out was that while the pp system does recognize modern tech, it just doesn’t level the playing feel equally.
Example, the pp difference between a stock R30 and a stock R35 is about 50pp (off the top of my head). Sample chassis swap, I assume, would show a pp increase for the R30 w/R35 chassis. While this is not a “stock” room, the hack job would appear to be an R30 that has been tuned to match the clean R35’s pp.
Now, what we have is a clean machine vs a wolf in sheep’s clothing. While in real life you could easily note a competitors’ upgraded tires, breaks, aerodynamics, light weight materials and even engine and drivetrain upgraded upon close inspection. Unfortunately, GT does not provide us with a way to identify upgraded or read from a list of mods made to our competitors cars. It would be that hacked R30 in an 80s room with a R35 chassis underneath.
Now, no one talks about pwr/wgt racing. unfortunately, people rather have a machine do their math for them (pp .system) for them. It is my experience that using pwr/wgt restrictions is a better way of evening the playing field.
The funny thing people don’t seem to be realizing is that this is more a legality issue than a “fairness” issue… I get that these modifications are making the game better, but it’s modification of PD’s property, which there were strict guidelines placed against.
Terms of service are term of service, and if you want a change to this, don’t complain here, write a letter to PD themselves asking for the change.
Agreed QuakeBass, with some of these reactions and muddled justifications, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone didn’t talk to a Lawyer trying to explain their side…
while searching through the update history i found this: removal of the copy protection for saved games. Since this update you are able to copy the savedata and that is the only thing that was necessary to hack the game. If PD didn’t do this, all these problems would never exist.
No offense to the hackers, I have had hacked cars myself. I didn’t made those myself but by making the right contacts you got them easy. I talked to a mate friday night and the list of features missing and wrong in this game is almost endlessly, everybody hopes GT6 contains the most of the things realistic hackers made possible here. I hope they will find another solution to keep hacked cars away from seasonal time trials and drift trails instead of banning them, people whining about hacked cars in online lobbies this should be a hint to PD to make some goddamn categories so it is also easier to find the kind of lobby you are likely to play, if you want to go into another non-hacked lobby your hacked cars should be blocked so everyone can race/drift/drag fair with each other.
*Crackers
Any players hacking gt5 are players who are not worth having. Well done kaz and pd. to the guys complaining about being banned for cheating. Goodbye you will not be missed one bit.
If you we’re the type that played everyday and used hack cars then it fills me with joy that you will despair. :)
This is the kind of post that makes me happy to still see hacked lobbies out there lol
Good luck with that Brian
The Red Bulls X2010s and 2011 don’t exist in real life and you guys like them, the number one cheater car, so Realistic Hybrid Cars is not cheating if you guys like so much the fake Red Bulls… (‘-_-)
Hey dazdilly. I have hacked cars and I can still get online. Get off your high horse.
Now, if only one could mod some new tracks into GT5. Wonder who’d complain then?… Lol. All these people talking of cheats. Mods don’t make people better drivers, if they can beat you with mods, they can likely beat you without them. If some noob is relying solely on mods to win, kick him. But if he fits in the room parameters and his car looks/performs awesome, why hate? Good racers would like to keep things competitive. Mods or no mods. Cheaters will cheat. Mods or no mods. Rammers will ram. Mods or no mods.
I agree, mods don’t belong in seasonals (yet, looking at some of the unrealistic tunes made in the drifting events, I can exclude how a mod will give a good/horrible drifter ANY advantage over the competition), but using cool and realistically competitive mods online in free drive/open parameter rooms should not be scorned until you’ve given them a chance. Don’t hate, participate! Or segregate… What ever floats your boat. But make a room titled No Mods and be on with it… Just like the “Clean Driver’s Only”, “Cops & Robbers”, “Dirty Racing Anything Goes” rooms. Damn, some people just want their own desires fulfilled and for everything else to burn… It’s not just your world you know. Let modders be.
Lol, I also find it how easy it is to be labeled a hacker. There’s a simple app that lets people mod there PS3/GT5 save data, and suddenly everybody’s a hacker. Lol, when what happened to PSN last year went down, that’s what I considered HACKING. Not using some mod tools to edit save data. Lol. People can be ridiculous at times… :-)
Your hatred. Affects hackers not.
Why are people still saying that you can’t get a fair race in an open lobby even with the modded cars? The idiots with the unrealistic 1,000mph cars crash out and quit (or in my case get kicked by the host – which I will warn people before the race starts). That leaves only the people with reasonable modded cars to race with, and it is always good and fair racing – pp or hp/weight restricted.
It was good to have made several GT class race cars with chassis swaps that SHOULD have been in this game anyway (458 Italia, Gallardo, MP4-12C, etc.). Having those put a new spin on the races I host as there is more variety in the field rather than the same usual cars. Was there some cars that paled in performance compared to others? Sure, just like at 550pp the LFA, NSX and M3 dominate the class. But, there was never someone that actually ran away with the field in a modded car over the standard GT class cars in game – we run no boost and no driving aids other than ABS if you choose to use it – the racing was always competitive.
To this I say, ban me PD for making this game what it should have partially been. There are so many more parameters missing from this game that I don’t even want to get into – we can’t even change tire size for instance. I really hope that PD and Kaz takes notes from the modding community and get things right for GT6, but I highly doubt it since they took time away from developing it to ban/scare people on GT5. As usual, another typical PD a**backwards move.
I’m with you Progress823 cuz we can make the game even better than the PD can do in almost 8 years…. (o_O)
You do not understand.
Really ? But Turn 10 can make Forza Motorsports even better than PD can do with the silly Gran Turismos…
You know what would shut everyone up, GT6 coming out tomorrow with less features then 5 had LOL. I am patiently waiting!
Your right, GT6 will be worse than GT5…
I really hope I don’t end up coming back here in a few years to say they did nothing awesome to update GT6. Seriously though
^^ You probably will since Polyphony loves regression. Wasting time to fix something that does not really matter rather than working on a game that hopefully will be complete – the mantra of PD.
Progress…you have that the wrong way around. PD fixing this is a result of those who forced them to, so those who have hacked are responsible for the resulting delay in GT6 – not PD. You’d be okay with someone hacking and taking your Username and saying as well as doing all kinds of uncharacteristic things on the web in your name? Didn’t think so – they have been forced to step in and protect their code and image.
As for the rest of ye who are so down on PD’s potential with regards to GT6 – why are you even playing GT5 if you are so unhappy about it?
I didn’t take the game say I made it. I would take a car and make it better. I guess I am niave and have grown up on a PC so adding cars to games has been natural. I remember playing San Andreas with Lambos and Supras everywhere lol. Modding is just a fun way to expand your game. As long as you are not breaking records with em.
I think you took the comparison too literally there Brian. Sure, on the PC market it’s a different kettle of fish. Consoles though have a company up top that can get defensive about folks changing their code – PCs don’t; it’s on a per-game basis with them.
But the Fiat 500 in real life can beat any Red Bulls X2010s and 2011 cuz does cars don’t exist in real life and you guys like them, the number one cheater car, so Hybrid Cars is not cheating if you guys like so much the fake Red Bulls… (‘-_-)
That’s true, but at the same time, it’s sort-of a given. Besides, everyone already knows the faster car in the game is the x1 anyway so I doubt people would care if they were to be drag raced. However, a 4000hp is something no one expects and therefore is “mind boggling” when you see how fast it can go.
Why are people still saying that you can’t get a fair race in an open lobby even with the modded cars? The idiots with the unrealistic 1,000mph cars crash out and quit (or in my case get kicked by the host – which I will warn people before the race starts). That leaves only the people with reasonable modded cars to race with, and it is always good and fair racing – pp or hp/weight restricted.
It was good to have made several GT class race cars with chassis swaps that SHOULD have been in this game anyway (458 Italia, Gallardo, MP4-12C, etc.). Having those put a new spin on the races I host as there is more variety in the field rather than the same usual cars. Was there some cars that paled in performance compared to others? Sure, just like at 550pp the LFA, NSX and M3 dominate the class. But, there was never someone that actually ran away with the field in a modded car over the standard GT class cars in game – we run no boost and no driving aids other than ABS if you choose to use it – the racing was always competitive.
To this I say, ban me PD for making this game what it should have partially been. There are so many more parameters missing from this game that I don’t even want to get into – we can’t even change tire size for instance. I really hope that PD and Kaz takes notes from the modding community and get things right for GT6, but I highly doubt it since they took time away from developing it to ban/scare people on GT5. As usual, another typical PD a$$backwards move.
I’m with you Progress823 cuz we can make the game even better than the PD can do in almost 8 years…. (o_O)
Modifying code is one thing – making a game might be a bit more challenging for you. I wait with anticipation for the result. Any idea when your better game will be due out?
To everyone who is crying that you’re going to get banned, it’s your own fault. You agreed to a Terms of Use of a PS3 console. If you went against those Terms of Use, by hacking the game, by using a car that’s been modified outside of the usual game parameters, that’s your own fault and Sony have every right to ban you.
Sure, GT5 would have a much more fulfilled and exciting lifespan if half of these hacked things were officially possible within the release parameters of the game, and I’m sure PD will realise that for future games, for the “realistic” things like engine swaps had heavy customisation.
But until then, if you use hacked cars or have hacked the game yourself, it’s your own fault if Sony ban you :P
And if they don’t ban you then you must be doing things right? lol
brianblaze. congrats you are one of the few that totally understand !
They have absolutely nothing on me. I don’t run in public lobbies and I’ve never borrowed a hacked car. Trust me, if by some minimal chance I do get banned I’ll be able to argue my case with Sony and it’ll take 5 minutes to rectify. Unlike some.
Well looks like a few of my friends and I are quitting GT5 it was a fun game but I’m not risking getting banned for a lowered Silvia with no wing and an RB26 swap -___-
Battlefield 3!!!!!
LooooooL funniest thing I’ve heard of in months. Good job PD!
haha :D add me to the list of people who think this is great
just bank 20mil Cr, lose the sleepers and forget about it.
clearly PD taking the easy option, banning the players rather than fixing the game!
If people have hacked the PS3 and therefore have the ability to hack the game, there’s not really that much PD can do other than this.
I’ve only been buzzed once on Test Track by modded motors. Once. Never found any modders online elsewhere.
Loving all the ‘toys out the pram’ comments about people selling their consoles if they get banned – oooh all that teenage anger! GT is soooo important afterall.
:-D
Wish my only problem in life was the in-ability to hack a PS3 game. -_-
As I read through the comments, It’s already easy to see how terrible a job PolyPhony has done to “ban” members. Whatever filter they are using to ban hackers hasn’t worked, as we can see that a few HAVEN’T hacked but have still been banned.
Gran Turismo is the only game I play. If for whatever reason I had been BANNED from that game, I would sell my PS3 and never go back. It’s rediculous to think banning people is any good. Why not take greater action to increase save data protection?
Many of the people on my friends list have hacked cars, look at them, they haven’t logged in for a week. What does this tell you? It means you just lost 10 dedicated fans who play GT5 EVERY day.
As opposed to the several hundreds of players who played GT5 every day before they could not longer race in open lobbies – stop being so selfish.
See Ya.. The amount of banned players will have little or no effect on GT5. There are plenty of players who did use illicit modified game data or break the Tos agreement. So the game will go back to its original status only slightly effected by those who chose to participate with hacking GT5.
There are plenty of players who did NOT use illicit modified game data or break the Tos agreement.
Waves goodbye….
Don’t be silly… sell your psw3? It is just that account that is banned not even your PS3… which is why this won’t stop cracking just create much more sneaky crackers!
PD/Sony already got your money soooo…
And if anything these mods are making PD money, even if they are used in special events. Not a single real life friend of mine plays GT, yet I’ve stilled acquired hacked cars, grow some, ask someone for one, PD, this is a cataclysmic mistake by enforcing a ban on your more hardcore And dedicated fans.
*And if anything these mods are making PD money*
Almost 10,000,000 copies sold between release and now, before many had heard of gt5 Hybriding, when didn’t it make money. I’d agree the game would have made more money, had it not been plagued with a repetitive, bias car list, glitches and bugs, limited Story mode, track list, lack of DLC.
To everyone who is crying that you’re going to get banned, it’s your own fault. You agreed to a Terms of Use of a PS3 console. If you went against those Terms of Use, by hacking the game, by using a car that’s been modified outside of the usual game parameters, that’s your own fault and Sony have every right to ban you.
Sure, GT5 would have a much more fulfilled and exciting lifespan if half of these hacked things were officially possible within the release parameters of the game, and I’m sure PD will realise that for future games, for the “realistic” things like engine swaps had heavy customisation.
But until then, if you use hacked cars or have hacked the game yourself, it’s your own fault if Sony ban you :P
All my friends got back into GT5 when they saw what cracking can do. I know I am just speaking for my click but If it had that impact everywhere over the last few months PSN saw a ton of ppl playing GT5 and now there are less people playing, Smoother servers for sure, stale gameplay guarenteed. I feel the last of my friends actually down to play GT5 no matter what and that’s why I like the fact it brought more people back to the game. There has got to be a place to see how many ppl logged onto psn and played GT5 over the last 3 months compared to 5 months before that. Numbers talk :)
*I feel like the last of my friends*
Ok so how many we’re sold since the hacking started? And why are other ps3 games moddable without the manufacturers banning those players (aim bot COD) extremely annoying yet nothing’s been done. It’s redundant that PD would be so strict on this with GT5 when it’s been done to almost every game in the series, the only reason it’s a big deal now is because of GT5s whiney online community who hate on hacked cars for no reason.
I fought for 23 place in gt academy. Ill be damned if I missed work to be punished over playing with cars someone sent me that resembles mine in real life. (Sc400) (slammed Silvia, no front bumper)
If that fiat 500 beat your redbull in a lobby, and was no part of the actual completion of the game. Quit whining
How are people cheating if they’re racing another online user on Indy road courses made up drag strip, find out you opponents tune 1st, if u don’t wanna be outraced by a hacked car then, go race someone else…crybaby. This is my girlfriends words…
Well I think they should let people delete their hack cars because I know 90% of GT5 players got 1! so you will need to let people know they have to stop and delete all their hack cars!! I dont need one or use one becuase the game is cool the way it is!!!
More like 20% actually.
id never do it
Im in the matketplace everyday for about a year now gifting 0/0/0s and Paints, If I had the desire I could have a few of them, Plus the Friends that owned them, but I never asked common sense told me this day might come.
Dear Kazunori Yamauchi, respected driver and producer of Guran Tsurisumo,
I understand that modifying cars in this game is illegal. I do not modify cars only receive them for trade for paints online, yet I believe your online community polyphony digital, is rising, and the game is being played more now then ever, we understand gt6 is in the making, so as we patiently wait for the release, those of us (myself included) who have driven to great lengths to “legally” win cars such as the redbull x2011, turismo pace, edge camaro, and all the GT academy cars I’ve strived to place gold in all events for. I’m a diehard fan and have been with the saga since GT1 on PS1. Please do not ban my online service and ability to compete in competitions because others have re written certain codes in the game for pleasure, not work. The PP guidelines wouldn’t allow these vehicles to compete anyways, I understand the laws, and why your enforcing them, but please do not be so strict as to “punish” your fans. I have spent over 150 American dollars on DLC and I love the franchise. Misuse of the modifying software should be looked down upon only if used illegally, (selling modded cars) any other use should not be prohibited. Although I do not modify these cars or the game data myself, I feel my account is in danger over playing with these cars in private online rooms with my personal friends or just goofing off on the Sunday cup. I would like a response if possible about PDs feelings on this topic. I hope my opinion isn’t taken harshly and would like it to be a considered valid point from the defense side of this., never has cheating in a game led to banning, yet it’s still practically impossible to cheat at this game. I loved it before modded cars, and now I have a newfound respect for the possibilities being accomplished, especially out setting wheels and excessive lowering. I feel there is no need to take a negative strict action over this, the online community consists of user made races, that have practically no stakes at all, and in 3 modes, race for real, race for fun and free run. And constantly being a freerun room kinda guy I still hear and see discriminatory comments towards hacked cars as well as players using them, if they don’t like it, there’s other NO HACK rooms, hp limits, pp limits and go race someone there,
This is a fan site, not one run by PD – just so that you know.
Apparently there were very few lounges where hacked cars weren’t being used and if they started out with none, then one would turn up.
GT4 had this to some extent and there is nothing to say that GT6 or 7 will not have more tuning/swap options, so be patient.
Zezzocore, You just dont understand. Its very simple and PD made the solution to the problem very simple. Pd will solve the problem using the least amount of resources. You would do the same to solve a problem. The amount of players effected will be TINY compared to the amount of legit non violating players. DEAL WITH IT!
First off, no official anything from PD will you receive on here. As MeanElf rightfully stated, it’s a fan run site. That being said, I read somewhere that some of the Gran Turismo developers do come on here so you might have a very remote chance of getting even a small response. About the banning, it’s going to happen.. if you or anyone of the morons who created the cars don’t like or agree with it, there’s nothing you can really do. You shouldn’t have even touched any hacked car.
I think this ban is pointless. For all you crybaby non hackers. I know it’s a fan site, yet I have left this message not only here, I’ve personally emailed this to KAZ and a number of others at PD, left this on multiple fan sites and the games fb page. And if you look into it. Cheat codes for gta4 is against terms for ps3 and the flashing lights mod is against midnight clubs terms, yet rockstar allows both of these. It’s not the ban I’m worried about. It’s the extent of it, blocking these easily detectable vehicles from online areas is one thing. Deleting every car in someone’s garage is another, and I tell everyone these “terms” you keep throwing in my face as your ONLY defense for y hacked cars should be banned, aren’t applied in this situation, it specifically states any use OTHER THAN GAMEPLAY is illegal, therefore, by having the hacked cars, alone, or online, violates no “laws”. Only upsets the diehard fans that cry over someone else ruining the stock sanctity of the game. Once again, you don’t like racing a hacked car? Get offline or go race someone else, nothing of value is at stake by competing against these vehicles. It’s just a whiney uproar the is about to turn alot of fans the other way. You say PD wont be affected, but I almost assure you they will..
Personally in a way I agree with stopping the hacks and so called “Hybrid” cars but at the same time things need to change on Polyphony Digital’s “Gran Turismo 5”. Not being able to make a 4WD car RWD or take of the stock spoiler is kind of ridiculous. A game made in the homeland of 4WD car modded to RWD and stock spoiler-less cars (Japan) and you cant complete such tasks in the games is a bit idiotic. At least give us an update for these tuning options and such. I do not support, however, the 1000mph cars. This is a bit too far and I will admit it does need to be stopped, But Polyphony Digital needs to realize everyone in the GT community is waiting for Drivetrain swaps and Spoiler-less cars in GT. All I ask is Polyphony Digital realizes this and takes action about it.
+100. Very well said and I agree. I also thought of another thing. Since GT5 is just given new seasonal events and blah blah, why should PD be bothered trying to ban modders. They should leave them alone and just focus on GT6 instead, you know? I mean it’s already to late and they should start taking note what their fans want, like you just mention.
As long as nobody who mods their cars doesn’t cause any trouble with the hybrids, such as those 1000hp cars, they can be fine to be online. :) I hoping no one gets banned.
* Not being able to make a 4WD car RWD or take of the stock spoiler is kind of ridiculous*
Shortsighted yes Ridiculuos no. I’d love the option, but its not what I bought into the gt series for. The game advertises it self as a driving sim not mod sim.
Though it bought out some nice ideas and sweet rides, it (Hybriding) was always risky. Those familiar with the in forum trade thread, all read that First Post, and knew how posting to much information on how to create these cars could get them banned from this sight, before we knew PD was considering bannishment from online activities (seasonals, lobbies, sign in?) the warnings where there. PD did what it had to do to protect its label IMO, the Extended fun factor be d*****.
true Pit Crew ;)
So it’s a real life sim but not a mod sim? because mods are not real life? ;)
once again Brianblaze “So it’s a real life sim but not a mod sim? because mods are not real life? ;)” you nailed it. you understand the problem. go forth and inform the rest. ;) Mod are and can be real life but are not in GT5 simple simple
“everyone in the GT community is waiting for Drivetrain swaps and Spoiler-less cars in GT” more like some… unless you know every single person in the GT community.. you can’t say everyone. I sure don’t need to swap anything.. GT is fine the way it is.. at least for me… I mean it really is just a video game… it’s not the end of the world if you can’t do those silly things you said… Better to do those in real life, than in a game… or hell, go play another game that lets you do that stuff…
If that were true you wouldn’t be able to put a racing tranny or turbo’s… they just chose what they want us to mod is all lol
Read my OP brianblaze, tell me where I said Real life driving Sim. Kaz is a Car enthusiast, not Mod enthusiast.
King of the ring arrives on gtp!!!
WAZZZZZAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP
Well i guess its just gonna be Lounge racing with friends
You probably can’t even do THAT anymore with the latest update. (at least with hacked cars anyway)
I actually support the Modding Community, they generally develop impressive and useful modifications that improve the game play and/or experience, a Racing Game presents a big problem seeing as if a Person in a Honda Civic with FF and around 230 HP lines up with an identical Car Online, they are expecting a Fair Fight–if that said identical Car has a Ferrari F1 Engine swapped in, suddenly that destroys the Fun Factor for the Guy/Girl with the Stock Honda Engine, and it destroys the Challenge for the Engine Swapper who entered that Race..
Polyphony has a valid reason to take action, it is in the interest of preserving the Spirit of Fair Competition, and keeping Leader Boards Honest, I disagree that Modding should be abolished altogether because as I’ve said; in most cases its done for the pure purpose of improving the experience–it would be nice to have these modded vehicles be blocked from Seasonal Time Trials etc, but if a Modder wishes to show off his/her work in a Room designated for the use of Custom Cars, I personally think there would be nothing wrong with it..
To be clear, I have no Hacked/Modded Cars period, I haven’t even played GT in a while, nor have I even encountered one in a Race when I was actively playing Online.. But in many other Gaming Genres and Iterations the Modding Community is actually welcomed and many of their Ideas are used by the Developers in future Games/DLC’s, Racing is a very delicate Arena since it will ALWAYS be about FAIR competition–no one wants to watch or participate in a one sided Race, no one ever will..
But if someone uses their Hot Rod responsibly (outside of Stock/Normal Parameter Races, and far away from Timed Seasonals), I see no reason why their creations should recieve such anger and hatred, just like in Sports if you’re on the Field in an Organized Game–of course you have to follow the Rules set up for the Game.. But if you are just goofing off in your own Back Yard by yourself, or with a small group of Friends, the Strict Rules of the Professional Sport are more or less at your discretion..
As long as people are playing fair, let them play..
This is a real source of wisdom. Kudos to you my friend. Nobody has said it as well as you.
Do you know what it is modding? Some idiot changed (GT5) the save data and you call it modding? HAHAHA
^Agreed Nuuj^
Bout time, I’m not even a modder and I’m stickin up for em.
@ gtrx, seeing as Save Data is still Game Data, and the end result(s) include modifications to the Core Game, yes I call it Modding.. “Some Idiot” didn’t just “change save data”, someone modified the Code(s) within the Game in order to perform Engine/Drivetrain swaps, and utilize upgrades, etc not included in the Original Unmodified Game and Game Play.. It may not be your average PC Mod but I believe that would still fall under the Umbrella of Modding, since Modifications were made to the Game..
I don’t agree that it’s modding… but that’s just your opinion and not outright fact. If this was a game created by the community.. fine…by all means, go crazy with the silly hacks.. but it’s not. The game was created by PD and they’re the ones who made the rules of the game for you to use/play in. They’re pretty simple to follow. So any modifications/hacking of those rules is a no go. In other words, if you want to goof off in your own back yard, like you said.. make your own game and mod it… otherwise play the game how it’s creators intended it to be played.. if to you the game seems flawed.. go play another game. It’s very simple. Any improvements being made for a game can only be done by the developer of the game, at least on the console side.
But in the end.. all this bickering back and forth is silly.. It’s just a video game… your life will not be devastated or destroyed by getting banned…
So @ scooby you mount an argument, and then attempt to put a wall up and say that “this bickering is silly” lol ok..
“It’s just a Video Game” is the mantra that both sides of this “bickering” are using, and some argue that once something is purchased, it belongs to them, and whether they want to put it in their PS3 or get their Dog and go play Frisbee with it is completely up to them (I understand more than most about the rules of Intellectual Property, and it is important to read the Fine Print before a purchase or signature on anything) depending on the Terms of Agreement and the Terms of Use presented to us all before we booted up the Game and Logged on for Online Competition–this whole argument may be a Mute Point..
What the technical name of their actions is a matter for debate, just because it isn’t your run of the mill PC Mod (or Hack if that pleases you) doesn’t change the fact that it has the same end result you’d see in most PC Mods, nor does it change the fact that Game Data had to be Modified in order to bring about the desired Mods or Hacks..
As for the whole “PD’s Game and Rules” bit, you are basically narrowing your own view at the situation, not anyone else’s.. The whole of my 1st Statement was simply summed up to mean “As long as these Hacker/Modder/People/Whatever are doing no harm to others, leave them be..” and your Closed Minded Half-Argument can’t discredit that.. I didn’t say throw the Rules out of the window, I personally felt that the Rules be amended to cover this new issue instead–not label these people as the Scourge of the Earth, and Criminals, etc when their actions are not all that Radical when compared to some of the outlandish Modifications you can find for other games, some of which would turn a ‘T’ Rated game into an ‘AO’ Rated one if re-rated by the US’s ESRB (and mind you, still are considered Mods, though I’m sure the Developer wouldn’t have given the green light for Nudity or Extreme Gore etc inserted into the Game)..
I am saying leave room for creativity in this Game, just not at the expense of others..
Take your bickering somewhere else..
My friend had a shifter kart shared, I borrowed it, I hope I don’t get banned. I wish they’d make an exception for the karts, that thing is so much fun. The rest of the cars, hell yea, ban those cheating bastards.
The problem isn’t what they modified it’s how they where modified. A shifter kart sounded good though :P
How’s is it cheating
I think they should add stuff in gt6 thats they should of in gt5 and do what forza did , by doing what gt didnt do like adding a clutch and adding realistic damage and better tune ups and designs
The best thing you can do is wait to see what Gt6 brings to the table.
I only added twin turbos to
My car for the 2jz setup and semi slammed it and thats it then it got ruined haha oh well xbox and forza im starting to love u alittle more know :)
Let’s hope that PD take this on board and give people what they really want to make GT6 unbeatable
And that’s a good news! Now I respect PD even more!
.. and please people play fair online in the future!! You can do whatever you like alone, but don’t spoil time for others!
Basically I agree That all the stupid HP cars should never be allowed, but I do think that its our fault (the game users) that all these extra features that I keep hearing about are not in the game as we are so impatient to get the game released ASAP, which if I remember rightly kaz himself said he wasn’t happy to release it as soon as PD did, I too am one of these people who was impatient. Dlc of these features could still be released but I imagine they won’t show there face till the release of gt6, btw I am not a hater I like the idea of being able to make a 5 speed transmission kart, I just don’t like the stupid 13,000,000 bhp pointless cars.
Btw, where do PD stand on the glitch perm borrow situation and how can they stop that? I get the feeling that it’s very difficult for them to stop that side of the cheating.
Wow, almost 500 comments!
Yeah, I know lol
All this got me thinking. Is it possible to do sound sample swaps with these mods?
… Yes. That’s the point of engine swaps.
OH NO, I MEAN WHERE JUST TRAYING TO CHEAT ON ONLINE RACES CUZ WERE SO KEWL!!
The sound changes, once the engine has been swapped. Which made things quite realistic. PD should reconsider things with tuning options.
I was just saying so we could fix the sound samples that are wrong in the game and never get fixed by PD. I don’t care about performance nor doing it. I was just curious.
Let’s say; the Viper GTS sounds horrible and nothing like a Viper, so I would copy the sound sample of the Viper SRT10 and paste it in the GTS since it does sound like a Viper.
Or giving the M3 E46 that sounds like a V8 a proper L6 sound.
Or even better! Take the sound of the Zonda C12S and paste it in the Aventador. It sounds more like it.
You know, I really don’t like modding and exploiting a game for cheating purposes, but if this can actually fix what the developers haven’t fixed, I would do it (like many PC games in which developers even support the modding community). I don’t care if I get banned. I don’t even play online.
hate to say I told you so, but……I told you so.
You’re not the only one.
People aren’t looking at the whole picture, people have Fiat 500’s that can outrun the RedBulls, that’s the main focus of this WHOLE topic and problem.
I agree that modding a Toyota 86 with a 2JZ for drifting purposes is for a good purpose but to stop the modding of Fiat 500’s that hit 500mph, they have to clamp down on all mods.
But I do think PD brought this upon themselves.
On a side note:
“Has anybody actually been banned yet?”
XxDARKRAIX : “My non modded game was” AND THEN “I received one but didn’t open it” AND FINALLY “True. I made an integra with 368 hp Honda race car engine RWD made for the Nurb”
lol…
Two different accounts
I think it’s just people who used hacks for the seasonals who have been kicked offline, but i don’t know for sure. (I think that’s fair, BTW)
The one I didn’t mod was banned. The one I did wasnt
I was actually not aware of this “hacking” thing until recently, since I don’t get to play online very often. Every time that I would search for a lobby I would like, I came across some that were named along the lines of “Hacked Dragging” or “Hax Racing.” Was always too afraid to join those lobbies, though. lol
So I assume those have something to do with this whole fiasco.
That’s really the only reason it became such an issue. It started with say 5 people at most, and multiplied like a virus as they shared their success with their friends. Those friends shared it with their friends, and so on.
So much hate here. It saddens me. Legit tuners are being labeled cheats because of the actions of a few idiots with their stupid X1 Fiat 500s etc.
It’s like being in a school playground. I’m too old for this childish nonsense, if you name callers are the only people left playing GT5 when this all blows over then I’ll be quite happy to move to PC games, then i won’t have to listen to all of this sillyness
STICKS AND STONES, KIDS
at least on PC you can mod rubbish games without being booted offline by the “developers”
Sad :(
I’ve owned a very realistic tuned Civic EK9 swapped out for a stock B18C5, it was amazing.
Not like those kids with 1000+bhp boosted ones.
Well than bye, nobody cares dude…
@Steebz
The top three PC sim games state if you mod any of the cars or changed or hack the soft they will prosecute. This is just a domino effect.Plus alot more PC game will no longer be open source besides a low budget FPS or sim games.
“Well than bye, nobody cares dude…”
Really intelligent comeback Toko well done
@Toyota2jz Now that’s the kind of hybrid I like and will miss, not those typical hacked cars.
@steebz lol. ;)
@ Zuel – yes, but the games i am playing just now on PC encourage modding as a way of improving the game, that’s what i’m trying to say. Sorry if i wasn’t clear on that
Well i will say one thing, this has cured my boredom lol
@ TokoTurismo – nothing personal mate ;)
@ steebz Haha, it’s all cool bud, no worries. :) :tup:
YESSS I couldn’t have said it better. But looking online there is nopt shortage of hacked cars… still haha
Correct me if I’m wrong here.
So, if you possess a hacked car, you get banned from online anyway?
What about those who used hacks, but didn’t go online/cheat?
If one was to remove the hacked cars, would still not be able to participate online? There should be a fair T&C about this.
Anyway, that’s all I’d like to know. Thanks
exactly
you should definitely be able to do it offline with no problems… just unplug the ps3 from the net! and re-install all GT data when going online… hacking offline is great, it expands the capabilities of everything, making it more fun and enjoying for some!
And you should definitely be banned if you try or play it online FOREVER! just for a good lesson ;)
I believed they’ve just fixed that too Tvensky, but this is an old post and therefore irrelevant.
They are going to add moderators in random lobby’s now aren’t they?
probably, but there won’t be anybody to moderate because they will have banned everybody lol
@Steebz people got banned? lol Oh yeah the threats lol
PD—All you need to do is prohibit copying saved data to USB -“On PS3-> Saved Data Utility-> LOCK Copying Prohibited” ALL modders naive homegrown sUckers!!!
But then if your game got corrupted your basically screwed
I agree this is extreme measures but the situation out of control.
Darkraix, not true, there is an automatic back up in place via PSN now. I’m not talking PS+ but if your gamesave corrupts, you get the game saying it found a backup and if you want to install it or not. It is the last in-game save before shutting down, so quite current.
That has nothing to do with PSN, it’s just a seperate file in the save data menu to make sure you can keep your progress in case your save file gets corrupted.
The thing is it’s too late to prohibit save copying now, people will just use old update versions to access the game and hybrid, than go on the latest version. So that’s not really a solution. It would also greatly increase the value of existing hybrids and since they couldn’t be duped anymore, the illegal selling for real money would increase.
@ KiroKai I mean PD needs to release a patch and do what I said.
Kiro Kai, that info is stored elsewhere. The save I’m talking about is visible next to your current gamesave in the utilities folder.
When my savegame got corrupted just over a year ago, that option wasn’t there but I still kept my trophy and in-game progress indications.
Another user recently got prompted to install the backup I mention after a gamesave corruption.
Sorry to say this but…Yeah take that, your not gonna ruin other gamer’s online experience anymore . I never hacked my files once and whats the point of hacking it anyway? If you love hacking so much don’t play GT5, go and play Need for Speed on your PC where you can hack everything as much as you like until it becomes boring.
BTW hacked cars were only great on Route X, in other sections of GT5 like Circuit Racing the Red Bull X2011 was still the king, no hacked car could ever beat it, you would have spend much more of your time crashing and flying high in the air rather than competing in the race.
I don’t know what was so cool about the whole hacking story, because it sure wasn’t pleasing others (like myself). The whole hacking business ruined GT5 Online: the game froze more often in online races, people lagged more, loading sections got longer ect. So if you have a “Need for more speed” GT5 isn’t for you, that’s why Need For Speed is made, it’s very clear in the name.
You’re obviously ignorant of what people can do with hybrid cars. It’s not all about speed.
True. I made an integra with 368 hp Honda race car engine RWD made for the Nurb
” the game froze more often in online races, people lagged more, loading sections got longer”
I have never read such nonsense before!! Check your router because at no point has this made the servers slow.
1. Cracking get’s you laid
2. NFS Games are gabage and if I wanted an all out arcade game I would get a Wii.
3. You can put an X1 chassis into any car making any car as fast as an X1.
4. I love how people blame other people for ruining their game experience like you have no real friends to play with lol
5. Have you seen drifting and what people do to get high scores on that!? It is not even drifting what they do… That’s an exploit that no one has a problem with because most people don’t care about the graded drifting events.
6. Thank you for listening :)
i do agree with pd doing what they are doing. but i never agree with the ts&cs, if i buy something i own it, simple. i dont care what they say in the agreement, i dont read it and i dont care.
But you do click “I accept” so by default you are then legally bound to the ToS and EULA.
It matters not what you do or don’t agree with at that point.
I totally agree. Who reads the EULA? People who live in fear of Sony coming and taking their first born child lol
If they finish with this I will say “Sayōnara PD you guys Suck Badly”… (‘-_-)
And return to FM4… \ (^_^) /
See ya , your loss
Nop, I never loss… XD
You just don’t want to lose more races with me, even with normal cars I win you… lol
No it really is your loss since you’re the one leaving GT. There’s nothing really wrong with the game if you take away hybrids. A sore loser is what I see.
good riddens !
Less players on GT5 online is actually GT5’s loss just to be clear on real facts :)
Interesting reading everyone’s opinions on this – thinking this is a bit warning shot from PD rather than them going out instantly banning the hybrid makers / users – put folk on notice to clean-up shop via a strongly worded statement. Could mods increase risk for wider platform instability and introduce new bugs? Could modded cars potentially mess with the efficiency of the net code given these emerging developments are not likely not to have been tested by PD themselves. What are the longer term effects on PD ability to be able to patch fixes given these new emerging variables? Flat out cheating aside, I’m not against the intent of innovation modders have but PD would have to take a wider view to ensure they are manage the potential risks to the platform given they didn’t intend or test for these types of mods in the first place. Got me to thinking however, this is could have been an interesting for or against poll to go with this post…
Has anybody actually been banned yet?
My non modded game was
@XxDARRAIX
Did you have a car that was modded?
I received one but didn’t open it
Ok. Luckily it’s just banned online on only GT5
I’d like to know the answer to this as well.
Yes the rules state that you can’t modify the actual game or the actual console. I get that, that’s fine by me.
But what people are actually doing is modifying their GAMESAVES which are saved PRIVATELY
on their consoles. (unless you are a PS-Plus member which i am not)
No modifying of the actual game code OR console has taken place. Therefore i think the Ts & Cs can’t possibly apply here.
Yes, i know all of you narrow minded people who think modding is wrong will probably throw daft insults at me for saying this so please, don’t let me stop you.
Thanks to everybody else who see’s my point of view on this. Cheating is WRONG. Modding is not. There is a difference between the two LIKE IT OR NOT
+1…. Spot on, steebz.
the game save is not code from the game? making it protected IP? making it against the T&C? Would you like to play the game with no way to save your game?
@polizei – maybe it is, maybe it isn’t classed as game code. I don’t know tbh. The point i am trying to make is it’s MY OWN personal data about my own game progress saved on my own PS3. I am not modifying any data which is not mine. Does that make any sense, or am i wasting my time here?
It doesn’t really matter anyway, because my account still works and i will continue to use modded cars in appropriate rooms. I WILL NOT USE THEM TO CHEAT
unfortunately you don’t own anything anymore. you are licensed to use it under the T&C. “/
I think the Ts & Cs need to be updated because i think i’m right and you think you’re right so who knows?
who has the time to read 400 pages of gibberish before playing a game these days?! lol
lol i know
;)
I like to have my realistic Hybrids to show them and race with them, I don’t use them on Seazonals Time and Drift Attacks…
And my PS3 / PSN ID and Save Game are the same so I’m not doing anything wrong, and that was the reason I stopped playing my favorite simulator (FM4) and GT5 without the Hybrids is so BORING…, and one thing PD loves is destroying our HAPPINESS and prefer having the game SUPER BORING… (‘-_-) and that thing they are fast but put the game better they take one million years to do small adjustments… (‘-_-)
you can mince it up what ever way you want to, to try and justify hacking, but if you take a second to look at it realistically you know that you are wrong.
Save Data is part of the Game Data, whether it’s direct or not. Save Data is an extension of the Game Data used for progress tracking. When you are purchasing a game, whether on disc or it’s a digital copy, you are paying for a license to use the contents on the disc or digital file. You don’t own the data on the disc or digital file, or any other data created by the Game Data. You are not permitted to modify Game Data or Save Data in any way, shape, or form.
I kept telling people that this “Hybrid” thing was illegal, especially if you used the vehicles for online purposes (i.e. races, time trials, drift trials, etc.). I don’t mind people using Hybrids, but they got to be offline only. The only reason I think Hybrids are good thing is for the realistic engine and drivetrain swaps, which, admittedly, Polyphony has yet to place such a feature in their game.
(shakes his head because clearly people can’t get their head round THE POINT HE IS TRYING TO MAKE)
I understand the point your trying to make completely. Its still pointless
Game saves are part of the game code, and therefore PD property. It has been made clear that it is against their terms to modify their content. So, yes, you are modifying their content via save files. If you want a change, go directly to PD for it.
Oops, lol
“Anyway, just my opinion and the bottom line is if Poly made a better job of this release, then people are LESS likely to look for back doors to IMPROVE THEIR GAMING EXPERIENCE!
Hum.
I can appreciate all of the opinions on these events and I certainly do not condone cheating online, to me thats simply childish and defeats the point of competing against others, in other words its not challenging and therefore its boring!
With that said, Gran Turismo certainly in this eddition leaves allot to be desired and has been a dissapointment in so many ways, least of all the silly imbalance of cars rated at the same PP yet side by side on the track with the same drivers there is as much as 3+ seconds a lap difference. Thats a TOTAL FAIL in my opinion! Then there are various other areas that are just half arsed and Poly should have done better!
Anyway, the point Im trying to make is that GT5 is a very long way from perfect and certainly no comparable decendant to GT1 or GT2 editions. The ability to modify cars in order to balance them out on track is not a bad thing imo as long as its done with some common sense. A perfect example of this is the Kart 125 SPL, in its standard form its slow and somewat boring with a massively long single gear, now I’ve driven the same kart with a 6 speed manual gearbox and the whole experience is transformed, a race with friends all driving the same kart in a private room online has been the most fun I have had going back to GT1 and the racing was so close that eyes were watering during the race. Bearing in mind we buy these titles to feel those emotions during playback, I ask what is wrong with this, provided all things are equal in the online room?
My opinion is that Poly should put a check in place to make sure people cannot come into a normal room with a Hybrid car or be allowed to select one if the room owner isnt using a Hybrid car! Those who want the modified experience can then setup their own lobbies and have fun there just like people doing “Dirty races” (lol not my thing) are doing their own thing.
Anyway, just my opinion and the bottom line is if Poly made a better job of this release, then people are more likely to look for back doors to IMPROVE THEIR GAMING EXPERIENCE!
Hum.
addressing your complaint about equal PP cars not being perfectly equal on the track: Really? You feel like that’s a huge problem? You’re upset that the company created, out of thin air, an arbitrary system of ranking cars based on weight, hp, tq, and weight distribution that allows for fairly close racing failed to make every car of the same ranking perform exactly the same? That’s just ridiculous, they did a great job.
The PP system is not perfect but if you get into PP racing (like i did for a year) you realize some cars are simply better than others at that specific PP for some unknown reason (some of the concept cars in particular are ridiculous), but for the most part keeping every car at the same PP makes for interesting and close races. Racing a 475pp civic vs a 475pp RUF is going to require different techniques IRL and in the game. I think PD did a decent job of translating that to this game. I’ve got a lot of complaints about this game but the PP system is really so far down my list it isn’t even worth bringing up.
polizei – The PP system in GT5 is one of the worst systems I’ve seen in a simulator and for me the best system I’ve ever seen is the PI from Forza Motorsort 4…
I will miss my BMW CSL with M5 V10
And also BMW CSL with COBRA 427 V8
They was great cars.
Has this ‘modding’ or this violation of the ToS leaked into drivers achieving top 100 TT’s in the last year? This would put a bad taste in my mouth, and I would personally tell Kaz that such infiltration would have rendered me to quit this game for good.
at last
right?!
Why where the hackers making the civics, why not make something really good like putting the Formula Gran Turismo chasis on a F10 or F2007. That would have been a nice idea, at least then the awful FGT would have been interesting and semi-premium
All I have to say is, Hacked cars suck to race with as opponents. But as a drift, it’s freaking awesome to drop a v8 in my s13 and lower it, or an 2j in my bzr, I’m sure a 700hp evo vs 500 jp evo sucks. So the way I see it. Racing is was more corrupted than drifting now, were having the times of our like making rwd r34 skylines.
It’s about bloody time they stomped on this. Mods are for gimps that can’t drive and therefore have to cheat their way to a win.
I’d rather be last all the time than cheat to win.
Cannot drive with a normal car? Then get lost, your not wanted here, LOOSERS
You do realise not all modders mod to just win races?
Nice to see your quite happy attacking people here.
I bet I know modders that would wipe the floor with you in the same car so stop talking rubbish.
+1…. I’m one of those modders. I get tired of people saying that its cheating – it’s not cheating if pp/hp/weight regulations are in place. There is no gain of using a modded car except for driving a car that someone would really love to drive.
You atleast have to admit props to the people who create cars that PD customizational couldnt do like slammed no wings with realistic hp , and im pretty sure if we get banned there either gunna lose money and lots of gamers cuz theres alot of hackers out there
So PD will lose money just for banning those who hack… There are other companies that ban players for modding as well. Like Turn 10 for one, and will they lose money for banning players? Noooo, so PD has to do this too, this is basically going against the terms of use/service so it’s a MUST for them. Only the butthurt who hack will leave GT, just sayin.
Mind you I too love those realistic hybrids and will deeply miss them, but make sure you and the others keep the hybrids offline so neither of you gets banned, cus that’ll suck.
Even if they lose such money, they will score points in my book for doing the right thing and kicking out those who cannot abide by their rules. I am sure there are open source games the people who leave will be happy with. But to try and pull this whole hacking thing off on a proprietary system ..sheesh …
I do agree that some lobbies and half of gt5 was ruined but if u dont wanna see hacked cars dont go to a hacked lobby find one with hackers and or make your own lobby and kick then as simple as that lol, thats what i do it works out for me
If you dont like GT5 the way it is, than go and play FORZA or NFS.
And thanks to the Hackers. Now PD had to take care about them, instead using the time to make a DLC. :-(
I agree with your first statement, as I cant stand seeing 30000HP minis or Civics…. Its in the T&C’s people get over it.
Your ending comment….. really do you STILL think that we are going to get DLC for GT5….. Personally I dont and will be very surpsied if we do.
They are working on GT6 thats the priority now.
The Terms of Service have been violated.
Thus, action was taken.
Oh yes this has made my day. It may be a bit late in the day but finally justice has prevailed. I do not care whether they were used online or offline – game data has been compromised. The Terms of Service have been violated. Punishment must result. This is no time for philosophic and moral debates – you should have done that when you bought the game …before you implicitly agreed to the terms of service you later violated. I feel nothing – the consequences were known …and if you really thought Sony would do nothing about it well, honestly, the GT Gene Pool can perhaps do without you anyway ….
And yet it is still possible to use hybrids online. The irony.
But, for how long? If that was just to serve notice, then the next step could come at any time.
Irony? Ummm not sure what you think that word means. Whether you will be able to logon with that thing in a week or two is the question. Good luck …enjoy the borrowed time.
Just curious how does offlibe affect you?
Its not about how it affects me …which it clearly does not. A person could hack away offline till kingdom come and it would not affect me one iota. But its not about that …its about principles, values and rules. When I installed my game I read the terms and conditions and they were 100% clear. I abided by them because it was the condition necessary for me to play. I did not do so, and then later violated those terms, and then started arguments about how “offline” is not affected by my inability to obey rules. You see I, my friend, am one of those people who are simply tired of seeing people break rules and then try to justify their acts. If I had seen all these people argue in favour of hacking in offline mode BEFORE the hacking started to happen, I would happily have contributed to the philosophical discussion. But to break rules, and then justify your behaviour …nay my friend. Its not behaviour I want from a son/daughter, employee/employer or fellow citizen. Debate away all you want but never break rules and then try to justify the act after the fact.
Yes, it is ironic. It clearly says relevant accounts have banned yet people here have reported to still be able to come online using hybrids. If people are low-key enough, I’m sure it’s possible to not be caught at all. It could also be possible that Sony is relying on the “report player” function to catch people since not everyone has been caught yet. So yeah, this “punishment” hasn’t really done much. Sony needs to step it up if they really want to stop this.
But anyway, I created hybrids and I don’t need to justify my actions because I don’t care if I get caught or not.. This game was collecting dust for several months before I got into hybriding, so I have nothing to lose if Sony takes away my online privileges. I’ll just go back to Forza like nothing even happened.
And you have never broke any rules at anytime?
Spare me the self righteous nonsense.
The more ironic part is that the hybridizing made this game (nearly) what it should have been two years ago. I too, could give a damn if I get caught, for me I have been working like hell lately anyway. Making hot cars was a stress reliever after work, I have even made my own FXX… Lovely track car.
But back to the point, who has hybridizing hurt except for the people not smart enough to join in?
Oh I am sorry …where did it state anything about my behaviour? Ofcourse I have done wrong …I have even been expelled from school. BUT I understood I did wrong and manned up. Grow some b#$ls and except consequences. Action – reaction. Its life. Nothing to be self-righteous about. Oh, and when you read stuff people wrote, try to stick to understanding it rather than trying to be an interpreter of some sort.
Oh and who has “hybridizing” hurt? It has hurt the Intellectual Property of those who protected it as such …LEGALLY. Its called Law. Fight that rather than have this “hybridizing” tantrum that people are having …
Oh wow, really? First, when they (PD) have a program available on the Internet to promote hybridizing by altering your save data, not game data where are laws broken?
A program that PD made officially available to all players? I must have missed the news. Tell me more? My goodness what a terrible company!! First you make a program available to allow people to hack, and then you announce you are banning them! Horrible people!
^ this. Just because A PROGRAM exists does not mean PD put it out there. Any one I’ve seen were created by 3rd parties NOT PD.
The hacked cars weren’t such a big deal in the pro drift rooms but yesterday for the first time in roughly 6 months i figured i’d Drag an Circuit race for about 4 hours after 30 mins of dragging an getting beat by civics and GTR’s that seemed to all be 7.0-8.5 second cars i had got sick of the room so i went to do some track racing an the first lobby 10 of the 16 cars were hacked the 6 of us non hacked drivers were in STI’s an EVO’s and we were all in a dead heat passing being done entering the corners only which was fun for us but having to listen to the 10 losers talk sheet got old very fast so i spent the rest of my time doing shuffle races. So instead of saying TGIF how about TGTG Thank God There Gone!!!
Yeap
Good news no more raping the game
WOW… 385+ comments on first day of announcement. Yall must be Peed ;)
Let me get this straight. Yall (hackers) want to “do what you want with what you own”? Yeah, I get that. Me too. But, as an adult, I’m responsible for what I do and the consequenses of my actions… banned from online play. It’s your choice.
Folks want to use parts and tunes that PD decided not to support after releasing GT5. We’re more than welcome to do so as long as we’re not online with it. I’ve enjoyed hacking PD’s stuff in the past using “GameShark”. It was a blast.
But we’re global now, guys. It’s just a matter of time before the hacking renders online play useless for those who are just looking for a fair fight.
why are you all so angry about the modded cars???????????
It should be PD your pissed at.
i was so pissed off when i saw how much was in the game that PD have kept hidded from us, its all on the disc, which we all bought. why havent they allowed access to it, we bought the game with features on it that we cant use unless you mod your gamesave.
some parts on the disc that you cant use:
weight reduction 4 & 5
engine stage 4 & 5
tyres
barkes
Super High RPM Turbo Kit
Ultra High RPM Turbo Kit
Clutch: Triple-Plate
Large-Diameter Discs + 4-Piston Calipers
Large-Diameter Discs + 6-Piston Calipers
Large-Diameter Discs + 8-Piston Calipers
Ceramic Carbon Brakes
and there is so much more.
Hidded? Try “hidden”.
I’m sorry that I’m annoyed that people ruined the game for a time.
Because those stuff you speak of are incomplete and are dumped, that’s why. Wait for GT6 I’m sure that one will have those ready…
Sure those features should be in the finished version of gt5 but theres got to be a reason its not and I personally don’t need to know why, considering all the Pre sale drama that arose during its development cycle. GT6 may or may not expose these features eventually so im content to wait and see and will purchase the next title regardless.
In any case, I agreed to play the game the way PD put it on the market so I aint mad at that. Its a petty thing to get all worked up over.
You forgot racing super soft tyres and Nitous
Pd just make the gt6 more customizable like engine parts and body party and look at what forza did and nfs and every legendery racing game
NFS is an arcade game. We want customization but we don’t want nitrous. We already have upgrades like in those games for engine and chassis and stuff. We do need a livery maker though, even if its just for race cars, we need it for sure.
Be lucky that PD doesn’t go the T10 route and console-ban people.
This. +1 :tup:
That is true, they could have. But at the same time, you wouldn’t have to worry about it if you never got yourself involved in this scheme.
I’m curious as to how PD could possibly tell if save data has been hacked, for example people have equipped racing super soft tyres accidently via a glitch and not neccessarily by hacking the save data. Regarding the hybrid cars I imagine PD could introduce a patch which resets cars with any incorrect attributes to a default setting.
For the same amount of effort, possibly less, the problem stops. Writing a patch would take staff away from GT6 (cheers you self-centred lot who only thought of your own enjoyment) this way the savefiles can be scanned, the server flaging up all those with irregularities and PD takes the list and steps in…
Great news. This should clue in PD that people like to modify everything and so making more mods available in the game legally would be a huge step forward for GT6. Licenses with aftermarket companies could really boost $$$ and make the game fun. Don’t tell me a 1000hp Ford Pinto is unrealistic, because I’ve seen one. Yes, it’s ridiculous and irresponsible and not practical, but why is that so big a concern to Kaz? OK, we get it, it’s the “real driving simulator”. Well, people IRL do incredibly dumb stuff to cars for FUN. And we all devote huge chunks of our lives to these “simulators” because, bottom line: they are fun.
stupid, the only thing you can do to a car in GT5 is tune it and change the paint and wheels. Big whoop-dedo, and now that we are starting to do things that we should’ve been able to do in the first place [Referring to the “Realistic Hacks”] and they want to punish us for it? I know GT5 has some of the best server and Voice Chat quality, but come on. And why not just set a HP limit for the core of the game, like the 1634 X2011. Set it to where any car over 1634 shouldn’t even pop up. This is a great disappointment, and i know hacked cars aren’t realistic, but come on now, all you freaks out there who want to say they are annoying and say they are not right for a GT game, it’s a game. A game is based to let players enjoy it, and taking all of this away certainly isn’t making me happy!!!!! >:(
Stupid boy, you know about terms of use. And try make a better car with set-up, no cheating, no hacking pure gt. Like in politics, you dont know how to make better things with s..t you have, better to steal or cheat or in this case hack!? Just stupid, you are no gt fans or good racers just cheaters!
Not good in racing but in hacking they are great, you want more than paint and wheels changes, go and play nfs
I guess I’m naive that I never thought things like this existed in Gran Turismo. Part of the reason being that I always see open-world games, such as GTA, being modded, but I haven’t yet seen videos/details about these modded GT5 cars, therefore I always thought they were nonexistent. Besides, GT5 seems as such a tightly controlled game that I often find amazing that such things can happen be done to it.
But not to get too far off topic, I applaud them for banning the cheaters. I wish they had gone further and banned them from playing the game altogether.
CRUCIFIX THEM!! jk
what? haha
I am so fu****
Lol.
i think realistic cars are good i think every one agree on that its the 3000 bhp and plus cars that need to be taken off completely i only want more rims more tuning options and option to take wing off and car with wing unless its a race car
I’m sure in a lot of peoples defense, they’d just say “but it’s realistic”
They should restrict every lobby to 1556 hp. Cause the only car that is that high are
the X1’s
But then we’d get modded Civics going that fast. And what about all the handling mods? It’s not just HP.
But it’s realistic cause you can get that that much out of a lot of cars.
im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad there taking those away cause im sick n tired of ppl wining races and drags because of these stupid hacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bingo
Ah what good news. The modding was so annoying. You could never know if the car you were racing against had an extra 20hp or a different chasis or drivetrain who knows what modders could actually do… PP limits don’t weed out much in the big picture.
Hard to find anything wrong with this statement. Great post. Simple, and to the point.
I like them banning the rediculous cars. But I like those realistic cars like drivetrain swap and wing removal. As well as engine swap and drop.
yeah, some of them were pretty realistic. But in the eyes of PD, hacking is hacking.
R.I.P. Dodge Ram (betsy) she was the best and meanest truck out there
i will miss that truck
you fail lol
take that truck and stick it up ur wasu
For the people saying it’s going to alienate people and cause them to go else where, where are you going to go?
+10
The realistic cars are acceptable but the 100000bhp cars were just plain stupid and annoying, I do however thing it created a good level of creativity to GT5 which in my opinion was lacking in the so to speak standard game like lack of exterior modifications on most cars.
+ 1000
All those whinging and saying screw gt I’ll go play forza. I say go! Go play forza. ….. You ll hack the money glitch on that and get your whole ip banned. At least pd is just banning your user id. Hackers script modders are ruining competitive online games and if they get banned to be honest its not a bad thing. Eat it all you cry babies you’re getting what u deserve
This is so much fun that I don’t even feel like going to the forum. *eats popcorn
No, but seriously. I just want news on GT6…
GT6…… some news would be nice. Hope it’s worth the wait!
Lol, got popcorn mself right now. I’ll drink to that!
I miss my microwave popcorn ;(
About time. If you want your child-like hybrids, keep the things offline don’t bother those of us who want to race legit. After all, GT5 is The real driving simulator, certainly no “Need for Speed”. On the other hand, PD might want to satisfy fans in the first place by including the essentials (e.g – Racing intercooler, brake upgrades, etc..), instead of cloning 80’s Skylines and claiming them to be different, even if this won’t stop illegitimate activity. But hey, it happens, what can you do?
Surely part swaps should be included also if GT is to be ‘The Real Driving Simulator’.
Drag racers and drifters do swaps all the time IRL. Even in racing series like the BTCC, some cars run customer engines not based on their road going counterparts.
I think PD’s best course of action will be to offer an amnesty for those with hacked cars, or allow people to keep them on the proviso they do not enter them into TT and drift seasonals.
Whatever happens noobs will still be noobs. Instead of doing 999mph everywhere they will just join rooms ram everyone in sight, then leave.The HYPER cars will be replaced by tank cars, veyrons, normal red bulls, FGT’s and Chapparel 2J’s yet again.
As I was scrolling through each post, I read some people saying PD is going to lose sells just for doing this? What, you can’t wait for that to happen? LOL. Are those people that butthurt? Anyways. I don’t mind the hybrids at all, I actually liked them and have fun seeing those hybrids with no wing, front/rear bumpers removed and so on, but PD has to do this its apart the “Terms of Service” after all… As long as the hybrids are used offline and not online, you’re pretty much save.
And if some of you are thinking about going to Forza 4 to do this same thing is your greatest idea ever, you need to seriously get over yourselves because Turn 10 is doing the exact same thing by banning people who mod their saves. I know it sucks and I’m going to really miss those awesome hybrids online, but stop hating on PD for doing this; some of you think they’re stupid to let this slide, it’s against the Terms of Service so they HAVE to do this.
*terms of use
Well said. +1
Contracts, contracts. We all signed on the dotted line +1
Good points made from many :
I have never ventured into this hacking issue but I do know that every online room that I have joined recently has been rubbish. Its not even fun to play anymore. There is no competitive balance at all. I get that it puts a new twist on the game for some but you have no motivation to make your car faster with different set ups and that is a huge part of the game. Its atleast what keeps me around. Not to mention the possible ramifications this may have in the future with other licensing issues and such. I applaud PD for what they did, I will continue to support PD is this progession. Just look back when you first got this game. I have been playing this game since its release and still haven’t fully dipped into every aspect of this game. Drag, Drift, Circuit, there is so much available to us that having this ability to “cheat” is not only useless but petty at the same time. Subie for life.
To everybody complaining about how they’ll never play again if their account is banned or that it will alienate users: You do realize that you can just make a new PSN account, right? Your life line isn’t attached to just one be-all-end-all account. Beside, they are just busting people for breaking their rules which preserves fair completion and protects their licenses so that they don’t get in legal trouble. As long as they are busting the right guys I’m not sure what the problem is.
unless they go the route Forza did and started banning consoles also.
well i dont see the point in this cheating anyways, if you wanna cheat, go away and play arcade racers not the real driving simulator. hell if you want the red bull x2010 or 2011 to go faster than 300mph you’re really REALLY sad
Had to delete my baby.=(
R.I.P. RX-8 20B “Tire Shredder”
I think this is a good move personally and honestly one that had to come sooner or later.
Let’s take a moment to look at this thing holistically and from some “what if” points of view…
1. People have discovered how to “unlock” some of the DLC features such as chrome paint or a car that they did not pay for and that is outright stealing.
2. There may be some serious licensing issues or liabilities on PD’s part in all of this. I would venture to guess that Chevrolet wouldn’t want to sign a license contract with PD that states Ford engines could be put into Corvettes and so forth. People swapping 454SS engines into an RX7 is probably something both manufacturers would frown on and may well put those licenses in danger of renewal for GT6. Not that it was done that way intentionally by PD, but the fact is that it has been proven to be possible, and now there are creations like it out there. Just saying, hypothetically, this could be an issue.
3. I think engine swapping would be a nice and very welcomed addition but it still won’t make people 100% or maybe even 50% happy. Once again I think it would play into brand identity where you would only have a few options and all would be from that same manufacturer. No more chance of creating a 4 rotor Fiat.
4. Speaking of brand identity, liveries. Since people have figured out how to change background colors in liveries I think that is definitely playing with fire. For instance I think the folks at Pepsi would NOT sign a license to PD that allowed users to turn their AMP logo on Dale Earnhardt Jr.s car different colors or change the background color of the overall scheme. Pepsi approved that livery in contracts with Hendrick Motorsports and then PD managed to get a license to use that specific livery in game with very specific terms of use designed to protect the brand identity and consistency. I would think that modifying them most certainly also violates PDs agreements in some way.
5. PD maintains online servers optimized for certain code structures. I am not saying the “structure” of the code is changed but the parameters are. It’s possible that these code deviations create more resource demand by calling different database pieces that are not as efficient as the original optimized program. I could be way off on this (and likely am) but I know through the fairly simple desktop software I write at work this can be a huge drain on the network traffic when “workarounds” are created in a thoughtless way and cause data to bounce around looking for a match.
6. Self-indulgent wieners who can’t resist setting a completely unobtainable seasonal time or score to be on the top of the list. This DOES directly affect anyone competing in them and PD needs to maintain a level playing field. I do like however the idea of a provided car. I asked for that sometime ago due to always seeing the 2J on top of the leaderboards in constant ridiculous fashion. Time trials based on pure driving skill, +1 PD.
Now that being said, I will admit to have dabbled some in this realm. I own a 1983 Camaro Z28 in real life that has a 350ci engine from the early 70’s in it. Obviously this was never available from GM. In game the “IROC Concept” is close enough to my car to be fun but really lacks the power and feel. Being able to drop in the engine from a 69’ SS350 is a treat. This however is for my own personal driving enjoyment. I don’t use it online, I don’t share it with anyone, I don’t even use it in races offline. I drive around and take pictures etc. with the very few hybrids I have. This is however still outside of the ToS. PD doesn’t owe me anything. They don’t “owe” me the ability to create this car. They don’t “owe” me some other sort of “finished game”. I bought it in a wrapper, of the store shelf, and installed it on my system as the finished product I was sold. Whether or not you feel it wasn’t finished is irrelevant and not their concern. It most certainly does not give you the “RIGHT” to do anything with their code, online, or offline, because you feel you were “owed” something that wasn’t in the box.
I don’t race online very often at all but the other night when I did decide to venture out it was tough to find a room without somebody running around in some ridiculous creation so I think this will clear up some things that are clearly getting way out of hand.
Will I get banned? I hope not but I understand that I might. Will I continue to hybrid cars? Possibly, but it would be on an offline only account and again purely for my own driving pleasure. Is that still wrong? Yes, it is.
Just remember people (who are modding) PD isn’t necessarily doing this simply to “take your fun away”.
TL;DR
Your statement is very hypocritical. You’ve created hacked cars before, yet somehow you’re still pro for this measure? You mean to tell me that you would be fine if PDI banned your account and disallowed you to use certain features that you basically paid to use when you bought the game (and add-on content)?
HarVee there is a terms of use thing with PSN and I’m pretty sure hacking is one of the ways to void your terms of use agreement.
The point that I’m trying to make with my statements Amac, is that PDI shouldn’t ban peoples accounts, as doing so is just going to do more harm than good. Instead they should implement a save data check in the next game update. A check that scans the users save data when the game initially launches and disallows users with modified data to use said save data.
A much better solution.
Oops, meant to say that it suppose to disallow the user to use said hacked content within their save game.
^ Except for this isn’t just PD – just about every competitive online game out there has bans for modding and hacking on console platforms. The rules are set, and failure to comply with them means suspension or expulsion. If someone robs a bank, do they only have to pay back what they stole? No. They go to prison for a set amount of time. I’m not calling modders or hackers bank robbers or some equivalent, but they ARE committing a minor offense where punishment has been clearly outlined – and again, these aren’t just PD’s rules.
^ Agreed, +1
Harvee I’m not saying I’d be fine with it simply stating that I would understand their position and have to accept that consequence because I did it. I knew this is/was/could be a possibility. Whenever you break ToS or EULA there are consequences if you get caught violating those agreements.
*song
My mistake
Janis Joplin used to sing a sing called Cry Baby.
Better listen to it.
Heres alittle tip gt5 maybe people wouldnt hak this games or games if creators listened to players maybe the reason why people hack is because the game got boring of not having options to
Choose from like intercoolers and turbos and pistons and camshafts and crankshafts etc stuff like that
More of what forza has done that gt hasnt maybe if u put the wprd simulator on the case u should add a clutch button and make it
Real sensitive like in real life idk make the game creative not
Rare like wtf is with 130 skylines in this game wtfff like put
More cars and not all of the same type of car different models
Or maybe people hacked because they wanted to have a little fun.
I haven’t hacked yet and GT5 is not boring to me.
I am one of these very few people that didn’t jump on the hybrid ship. I never used or even accepted any hybrid cars as gifts, nor did I used the software because I knew that it would get banned eventually. And I was right!
For all of the pro-hybrid users out there, which I guessing will be at least 60-70% of you. PD sent a strong message to anyone and everyone that wants to exploit loopholes in their games! I honstely think PD did the right thing, banning everyone that used, created and/or recieved hybirds.
As for the online metagame, it will equal the playing field for everyone that decided to NOT jump on the hybrid ship.
And NO, I will not jump to Forza after this scandal because I don’t even have a XBOX360 to begin with!
Mhm, my opinions were the same as yours. I didn’t think highly of the hybrids. With so many of them around it felt like you now have to cheat to win over other people who were also cheating, and then it comes down to who can be the best cheater in the race.
When it comes to banning someone I hope they would at least be selective about it, and not ban every single person who received a hybrid in the mail, or else a lot of people would get banned even if it wasn’t their fault. Some people may have got them unknowingly. Personally, I didn’t want to be even near them.
Same
And there is no point jumping to Forza either. If you were to do the equivalent that you did on GT5, you’d get your Online ID AND your Xbox banned. Some people aren’t very bright.
Finally! All I have to say about many of the comments is, this is the exact proof why online gaming sucks nowadays, not because of the games(they are better then ever) but so many “new age gamers” cheat, exploit, boost etc. Look at many posts in here crying about this…not being able to exploit and cheat….seriously wtf lol….every onlne game is plagued by these same types of ppl. It seems like gamers who play legit are a dying breed. Seriously listen to all the ppl crying about this…..PD should be appluaded for this, its about time, ban the exploiters and cheaters!
All I have to say to the ppl crying and moaning at PD in here…..you guys are hilarious with what you are saying, the doom and gloom, crying lost fans etc…..Goodbye lol…..et the actual fans of this great series enjoy and play the game as intended. You know the gamers with actual skills who dont need to exploit and break the game to win lol….
PD you have earned my respect that much more and trust me, no matter what the lame exploiters say and cry(which Ive noticed are typically younger gamers, again new age gamers for you), you have earned alot of respect and potential future fans, theres many like minded gamers like myself sick and tired of all the cheating and exploiting online. When you have a great series such as GT and follow up with good morals and a fair playing experience when it comes to playing online….thats when you have something really special.
Keep up the great work PD, looking forward to the next GT!
^^^^… Even more rubbish. I have played GT since the very first one and the series has not evolved much – I have completed each of game from 1 to 5 including these long A-spec endurance races BEFORE the option to save my game was included in a patch, so don’t even think of someone modding cars with real engine swap as in real life does not have skills or is exploiting the game. It is the feeble-minded that is keeping this game from going where it should. Instead of wasting time figuring out a way to stop this, PD should be figuring out a way to get this type of modification into GT6 – of course they probably won’t and it will be another lame effort.
I am a die-hard GT fan, but this move will end my progression with the GT series unless PD wises up and incorporate thorough modding into GT6.
Oh yeah, you mentioned fair play, and again I will mention that’ most of the rooms on the servers are hp/pp regulated, so even with a modded car you can have a fair race.
I’ve been playing video games for 15 years of my life, and honestly say that banning accounts are not the correct way to approach this. Banning peoples accounts will only alienate the user base. I highly doubt will continue to support PDI after their account(s) have been banned from the online aspect, which is one of the main reasons people even continue to play GT5.
@furbar: I don’t even know where to begin on your ridiculous comment. Just stop.
WTF? You just talked about “new age gamers” saying they want to jump ship, AND collecting new fans? You do realize most gamers are UNDER the age of 30 (or new age gamers to you), right? I don’t understand what you mean by “cheating to win” either because every time I see someone with an absurdly modded car they drive it like a dumb*** for a couple laps and leave. The people that put time and effort into their mods (people who don’t just replace everything with F’s) just have cars that look great, sound great, and drive great. Calm down and carry on, sir.
^ Agreed to finest.
So I can no longer use my MX-5 Miata hybrid to race against the likes of Mclarens, Paganis, and Lamborghinis? Cause I find it hilarious and fun you know, racing against friends that have supercars and race cars equally in my Miata.
Don’t cry dirty players you have a chance. Maybe this Account Ban a temporary measure until the next update or patch, maybe not :)LOL
Just because one drives a hacked car does NOT make them dirty.
Exactly. People are misunderstanding the whole issue – how do you cheat with a “hacked” car when every room you go to online has a pp/hp limit of some sort?
Yeah! Those hackers have no place online. I mean how can you even justify yourself for doing that? It’s cowardly and it’s cheating. Play by the rules like everyone else or we won’t let ya play at all! I still think we should be aloud to cyber bully hackers, but ya know, not complaining :D
Cowardly? Please explain this to me. And define cheating. Oh wait, no, you can’t. Whether a hacked car is cheating or not is up to the lobby.
I agree with Dino. It may be illegal to do this stuff, but how exactly does it make one a coward?
If anything these hackers have more balls than others. These hackers are – more or less – challenging PDI & Sony. They’re challenging the law so they can have fun; the very reason why video games exist, mind you.
I don’t have as much of a problem of they have their own rooms with it denoted in the title, but they shouldn’t be showing up with unfair equipment in other people’s rooms. It’s a cowardly / unmanly / wimpish (pick your favorite) to show up in TT events or online rooms seeking fair competition and use cars that fall outside of what GT5 provides to gain an unfair advantage and be able to win. If you have to cheat to win then your the textbook definition of a coward. Man up and play by the rules like everybody else, if insist on cheating to win then your a sad little man. Oops, looks like I can define cheating Dino ;)
I was surprised by the news this morning! Myself, I am the creator of cars called hacker, but I did not use performance! Only the esthetic was put! If he decides to ban players who hack cars, it may lose a lot of people, because 300,000 people who had a minimum of a hack car in his garage. Gran-Turismo decides whether to ban the people will go towards Xbox with Forza 4, where nobody needs hack logiciel! GT5 lack of opportunity to modify the car and the only way to beautify the car was this software!
Umm, I know its not that relevant to what you’re actually talking about, but Forza 4 has been hacked before too. Its the whole reason those unicorn cars don’t show up in the auction house anymore and can only be given as gifts and there were people of that game that hack their cars stats, same as this situation here. (I play both games).
Even if they do go through with their banning process and aren’t just making threats, I don’t think 300,000 people will be lost… quite a few but not that many.
Thank goodness they are getting rid of hackers!
Yes!
Good riddance to the cheaters.
You said it.
PD, its simple, gt5 has the biggest fan base on the planet. Take note please, gt5 is a fabulous game no doubt about that.
BUT I’d like to see the following please:
Shelby Mustang standard? Come on! More classic premium race cars as they are great fun to drive, premium caterham.a lot of the best cars are standard,I don’t need the choice of 6 different GTRs.
More cars that can be race modified please, livery that’s associated to racing.
Would also like to see a gt off road add on, with premium range rivers /discos and of course landys!.
What us fans are basically saying is thets have a bit of a change and more choice. Please don’t push me towards Forza.
Number one thing I want is a European TC DLC pack. My favorite form of racing online is RM / TC racing. It seems to me like that kind of GT racing should be a staple of THE racing sim of Gran Turismo. Yet, nobody seems to have rooms for them online. I think the reason for this is the cars available. There are ALOT of Japanese cars obviously and there is the Corvette. Other then the Vette and the R35, what major players in the GT racing world are there? I want a DLC with a Ferrari 458 TC, McLaren MP4-12C TC, Mercedes Benz SLS AMG TC, Audi R8 TC, Aston Martin V10 Vantage TC, and a BMW Z4 TC. The only other cars I’d really be interested in having a RM or TC for is the Ford GT, which we have but not in the sense of the RM and TCs, and the Honda NSX. But those cars should be a given for RM/TC, mainly the Ferrari, because for the history of racing them and Porsche have been the gold standard of GT racing participation, and we obviously can’t have Porsche. Today Audi seems to be in that breath too, but yeah, I would love to see those cars added. I would be the first to volunteer to participate and/or help run an online GT racing series with a format resembling FIA GT1 racing, 1 hour races with a pit window that opens from 25-35 minutes. If we had some interesting and traditional European GT race cars then it would be a more real world experience and I feel like people would be interested.
That all said, I don’t think that will happen because we do expect GT6 in the fall and I don’t expect them to give us anymore major additions, beside the new Corvette later this summer and this years GT Academy. I miss being able to dream about them adding something like that European TC pack like I was able to a year ago, but now we all kind if know that ship has unfortunately sailed. I would love if they kept updating GT5 until GT6 came out, but it doesn’t seem like they’ll be doing that. But hey, no more hackers!
This is going to get ugly very quickly. There are other ways to achieve the blocking of hybrids rather than outright banning peoples account(s). Some of these ways have been suggested on this very site.
All I can say is that if my account were to be banned for “suspicious activity” or whatever other reason they [PDI] can come up with, I will stop playing GT5 and I won’t purchase GT6 or any future DLC.
This ^
I think keeping the modders out of the seasonals and on-line events is the proper thing to do.
But I also feel that they should be allowed to use them in a private lounge if they so choose.
I read all the posts from the Once against it, calling it cheating and the likes.
I’ve asked this on other forums.
How many of you have used the Game save and Restore feature? You save your game, gift a car, then restore your game save, so you still have the car you just gave away. Isn’t that Cheating?
or how about Paint chips. How many have use the Save and Restore to Duplicate your Paint chips. Cheating too..
And all the Ticket sharing threads.. Everyone is doing the Save and restore to send Birthday tickets and Level tickets. Humm Also Cheating..
So don’t point your finger with such negativity, if you too have done any of the above. You’re a Cheater too.
I’m not a modder, and I prefer to use the term cracker and not hacker..
But I have done the Save and restore a few times..
Bottom Line, This is only a GAME enjoy it how you want, but don’t ruin someone else game play.
keep you mods out of the open rooms
stop driving backwards and crashing into people.
don’t use mods in the seasonals
I saw over time that the Mods have given some new life to many players to come back and enjoy a new way to play the game.
many members who would have gone a different direction.
I’m a software developer, so Yeah, I get the whole TOS and EULA thing..
but you know what.. Altering a game save file, is a whole lot different than Jail breaking or pirating the game.
PD could have written a simple bit of code, that when you are in an online room, and you select a car from your garage, the setting are quickly checked that they fall with in the limits established by the game.
A few milliseconds of CPU time to crunch some numbers. They already know what the acceptable limits are, go to your tuning screen, and there they are.. you can’t tune beyond the limits of the game..
But any way, the immature players who took these on-line to ruin the game experience, they are the ones that will continue to come in and drive backwards, crash into you, just because…
The modders who did this to make the game interesting, they didn’t ruin anything…
I haven’t done the restore file thing or none of the things you mention. Too much of a hassle. I rather play the game instead of loosing my time “cracking” or exploiting game features.
I’m glad cheaters who used these mods online to race dishonorably got what they deserved.
All though I have not done the birthday thing or the save and restore thing, because it should be easy enough to earn money from seasonals anyways, there is a major difference and that being that those tricks don’t effect the online competition or other users experience playing the game. When I am in an online room I honestly don’t care how they acquired their car as long as the car is legal and the competition is fair. If they wanna hack or whatever, that’s fine, just keep it off line. The second you bring it online in a TT or online room you’ve instantly wrecked the experience for everybody else who is competing by the rules, and that should be a zero tolerance policy.
I respect that people don’t like hybriding, that’s fine. But stop attacking us just for standing up for ourselves!! Listen to our opinions instead of just fobbing us off! Hybriding has breathed a new lease of life into this otherwise UNFINISHED game! Yes, some idiots have taken it too far. That’s to be expected.
Kaz is probably upset because people have managed to make GT5 better than he could ever make it. That’s a bit sad don’t you think?
+1…. Sad day for PD on this one. Instead of taking notes on this for GT6, they b*tch out and cry foul with a threat of an account ban for GT5. Screw them, I’m still going to hybrid and enjoy the new life GT5 has for me.
@steebz-“Hybriding has breathed a new lease of life into this otherwise UNFINISHED game” (Hybriding)-?LOL (breathed a new lease)-?LOL (UNFINISHED game)-?LOL….. I just think you’re stupid kid. sorry…
Isn’t it ironic how PD gave us close to perfect modding abilities in the saves – except the encryption it seems the saves were almost ‘made’ to enable hybriding – and now, after more than 2 years, when people found out the code and start to use the tools they left in the save – like a power and grip multiplicator, what the hell are these even doing in the save file? – they get mad and yell about ban consequences (and they are roughly 3 months late with that, as it started to become public in January), but don’t give any details on the requirements of actions needed for a ban, making it sound like they just want to scare off people.
WTF PD.
Wait wait wait, Steebz you seriously think you can argue for people enter online competition with cars that take advantage of things that aren’t provided to you in the game? GT5 provides you with all you need to compete in the game, if you are hacking into the game to get an advantage that others don’t have, then that’s not fair to everyone else competing, and that’s just a fact. Your wrecking the competition for people that play with on the rules GT5 allows. Unless your modding something useful like a livery maker, it shouldn’t be aloud. If you want to do it keep it off line, not where fair competition is occurring.
No Amac, that’s not what he posted or said. Read his post again. He talks about having fun with the modifications, not cheating on competitions.
Yup, I admit I misinterpreted Steebz post a bit. For some reason when I was reading it I was figuring on online use. Although he said some people have taken it too far so I’ll assume that means online competitions. My mistake.
@gtrx251 – get over yourself pal, i’m not a kid i’m 34 really, and what i said is true so get a grip and stop being such a cry baby. Go and delete all of your hacked X1s and play the game properly
About time PD
A lot of people agree with this statement.
I am also disappointed people are being so immature about this from both sides. Some of you need to stop being so pathetic and grow up about this.
This.
I want to see these people in the actual forums where the real arguments are. ;)
Yeah this is child’s play compared to the forums. Saying grow up about this suggests that your one of the cheaters, because saying “grow up” “get use to it” and “that’s the way it is” are the most used and typical arguments a hacker makes for his side in ANY videogame.
Good job PD!!! @SZRT Ice & @steebz – guys you are a stars in this forum, enough to protect hackers))
Do not support hackers!!!
Do not tell me what to do!!!! I have a mind of my own
F*CK YEAH!! Finally!!! This made me cry out of happiness ;)
Finally I can get out of the shuffle rooms and into some regular lobbies again!
Online is saved!
Shuffle rooms are still fun though, haha.
This is a bad idea really. They could just set hp and pp limits so people can still have their fun, but cant abuse cars to gain access to the leaderboards. I’ve seen some really funny and reasonable things done to cars, and this game is 3 years old now, so there is really no harm done, especially since GT6 is on its way. If GT5 were not so old, I would see the problem.
Finally, action is taken.
and action WAS taken, with an update?
Pineapple.
Agreed.
This is getting ugly. Now I see why the Discussing of Hybriding was originally Omitted from the News thread.
Or, alternately, they could keep WORKING ON GT6. Jus sayin
Yeah, as usual PD does something totally useless instead of what really matters…..smh
Banning accounts is a futile proposition. Patch the game via any car that does not meet the specs when fully tuned to the max and original paint jobs, the hacked cars will be rendered useless. Or get automatically deleted from the garage. Who wants the job of sifting through 1000’s of accounts? The hacking thing for me goes into the “who cares department”.
Here, have a cookie.
Hate to break it to you but i dont think the terms of service says not to modd or hack
Cars hahahahaha
I’m glad to see something being done. Over 1000 cars and people still try to hack for more.
Er, you can’t hack for more cars. That’s not what hybriding is.
he’s saying there’s over 1000 cars and that none of the 1000 are good enough for you so you had to create your own.
1. This game does not have over 1000 cars. There are so many duplicates of the same cars (i.e. – Skyline, Miatas, etc.) so we will go with 700 or so.
2. Hybriding is not about getting more cars. It’s about making the cars on this game better – which PD failed us on. I understand people complaining about 100,000hp cars, but as I mentioned in a earlier post, what’s the difference with someone coming in a 800hp room with an 86GT that has a 2JZ engine swap that fits the regulation? No harm done.
People need to be not so closed-minded about this. The hybriding has enhanced this festering turd of futility into something worthwhile.
yes because a vast majority of the 1000 cars are duplicates or just plain old booooooring japanese cars or GTRs lol
This is good, but I still wish that the PP calculations was reversed back to the one that reflected grip as well. Right now it’s a snore fest as you can’t run a big hp, low grip car and try to win. Nope it’s all M3’s and NSX’s all day. GT6 better have more complete pp calculations right GT5 calculations aren’t telling the whole story so I just avoid online altogether since it’s not even a sensible thing since cars are in way higher PP rating that they are actually capable of, so they perform poorly versus cars in the same PP range and by poor I mean terrible. I had more fun with the 2.10 update than I ever had in GT5 and complainers had to go and screw it up. Been offline ever since the revert to pre 2.10, yawn. Cheaters, oh boy…there are always those who get joy from this sort of crap no matter how far into the future we go.
M3′s and NSX’s-These are the noob cars. They can’t drive anything else when these are used over and over from the same driver in a room.
how its hacking when some of this features where included on the game data but lock fron user access,like for example,SUPER SOFT TIRES,TRIPLE CLUTCH,HIGH RPM TURBOS,HIDDEN MENUS, ETC ETC…i agreed with lots of people here..but still,why so long to address problem…i say bluff from them with maybe a cople of bans but that it
good luck in the real world
BoneSawTX +1
You do realize that of you had to go into the game file its hacking, right Layer99
I’m not sure what to do on this… I acquired 1 modded car from a friend. I have the 400 hp go cart but I’ve driven it only 1 time in an offline event. should I dump it or can I keep it?
I’m not sure. If it was me I wouldn’t care if it was offline, but I can’t speak for PD. If you’ve only used it once then I’d get rid of it, better safe then sorry.
Halleujah;D
:D Yes. Finally
Your a hater u fruit cake
@Caleb you’re a hater hater you fruit cake
^ & you’re a hater hater hater!!
What hell, hahaha, was Nicky’s comment really that bad Celeb? He didn’t say anything you hater!
Kiro I thought you were my friend.
I’m glad PD took action, even though it seems a bit harsh. Modifying the game for personal use is fine, but if you’re exploiting the game just to win or be at the top charts, I really hope the ban hammer falls upon you. A good example of this will be with games such as Skyrim in which some mods don’t do any harm and are just texture upgrades and bug fixes that the developer doesn’t offer, and these mods are even supported by the developer. But again, if it’s for cheating, then it’s great that these people are stopped.
Anyhow, I never do these things myself nor I support exploiting, cheating or modding. It beats the purpose of playing and enjoying the game.
I agree, cheats need to be stopped but i see the realistic mods as “enhancements” to the gameplay which the developer didn’t offer, but i know you don’t agree with me which is fine. The world would be a boring place if everyone agreed with each other lol
:)
(all the time)
It’s okay if they do it for personal use. And I’ve seen 1000hp civics in real life, so I do blame PD too for not offering an entirely “real” real driving simulator. It was just a matter of time before people started tampering with the game to get these things that are supposed to be there. Not that I care much of course since I don’t tune my cars that much. But it would be nice to t least know the game is able to simulate those real-life scenarios.
I agree with Snapey and cant wait to get good clean non lagging rooms online …When these users of Modified cars are off then Good Riddance to bad rubbish as they obviously cant tune or drive the cars as per normal ..
^^^^Rubbish. Realistically modded cars have the same tuning capabilities of the normal cars on the game, fall into the same HP/PP parameters of PD’s system. A 500pp car is a 500pp car – “hacked” or not – it will have similar performance. I understand when people pull out 100,000hp cars and have no control or intention of practicing good racecraft – that is different from going to a 650pp room with a modded 458 Italia and running against other race cars at 650pp – the playing field is level and it comes down to driver skill then tuning.
m wondering whats gonna happen this whole PD situation, Some people been saying its just a “bluff” to scare us, other say its real “legit”, But honestly I dont think anyone got banned, Im pretty sure someone would write a post or some kind of thing saying they got banned or what not on GTplanet, so far I havent seen any of that. Right now Im just waiting…. I know alot of people are probly gonna stop playing which means (Sells will go down) Im Honestly Fine with Realistic Engine Swaps and all that as long as its not 10000000000hp or what not -_- breaking sound barriers. but They still considered Realistic cars as Hacked (Cheating) and going againest terms but Honestly Creating Realistic cars and Engine swaps is what keeping these people playing on GT5 Mostly, They Need a Engine Swap Function In GT6 to avoid this problem I think that would make the game more fun, I see nothing wrong with making your car a little more realistic, as long as its not being taken advantage of..
the GT planet community is tiny compared to the actually player base, look at the poll for the should hybrid cars be allowed and compare that to how many copies are out their, it’s just a fraction. Give it some time and someone here will get hit with the ban hammer.
If you are hacking games, you’re modifying a game which a group of programmers created. You may feel like you are doing nothing wrong by running offline only, yet you are still changing things to a game which some made and I’m sure that of you created something like a program. You would be fully aware of license agreements etc. Changing this game(or recoding a program to change it from its original state) would make the programmer(s) upset and angry. The fact they’re kicking people offline is great, people shouldn’t be doing this online as it ruins the fun for people who play the game properly(I wish other game companies took it as seriously!)
But for the record, I would love to see engine swapping as a feature for GT6.
Normally I would be honored to have my photo featured in an article, but not in this case. Good god! :O
It be interesting to see what PD will do as its clearly shown up there you were hacking?
It does kinda put you on blast huh?
thank you t12 smile people need stop no more hack gt5 cuz hack are cheat from gamesave from ps3 to on computer very wrong think i never play gt5 few month that why i wait until fix stop hack no more
Thanks for deleting that nonsense comment, there’s no need for talk like that
If there was a way to prevent these cars from having their true performance hidden, so they can get into rooms and abuse online races, I think that would have been a very good medium.
Now at least when I lose to a really fast car, I know it is my lack of talent that is at fault and not someone cheating to win.
you should spend more time doing your english home work, enjoy the offline after life.
Comment 1000 :D
The age of the people that play this game varies greatly, so I doubt many would listen.
At approximately 4 am too, wow haha
My profile Avatar disappeared, so that’s pretty scary. But I think there should be an understanding. People who unrealistically modify vehicles and use them to cheat, yes those are the idiots who deserve the ban hammer. But those who only do little things and don’t use them in online racing should be okay.
It seems not many people here understand that modding and hacking is against the terms of service… It’s taking something a business made and modifying it, which is illegal. This has been fact for a long time.
Yes, you are correct but why did they let it build up over a few months? Everybody knew these hacked cars were circulating, but PD stayed silent until now, allowing the whole game to become infested with them. They should have spoken up sooner, that’s what i find so strange about the whole situation. Why let it get out of control like this?
PD does many things that make you scratch your head. I had already jumped ship to FM4 but couldn’t understand why they were letting it go.
I don’t have an answer for that. Maybe they were trying to find a way to analyze it and stop the distribution, or catch the ones building and distributing? But they failed at doing so, so resorted to a ban?
Even if that’s so, it would seem they’d give a warning…
Yes but it are ps3 were allowed to do what ever we want on them if it has nothing to do with the ps3 console it self and it isnt hurting people at all if anything it probably made the game better
Forza had a huge banning for modded cars the last month and gave an amnesty period of a weekend for modders/hacks to admit it and have their accounts reviewed. some were forgiving but their game saves were invalidated so they have to start over and the ones that were major offenders or didn’t apply have had their consoles, accounts or ip address banned from FM4.
Celeb – yes it’s your PS3 to do what you wish with it, it’s also PD’s server and they can ban you if they wish.
got side tracked while talking with someone – the Forza ban include those creating, sending, receiving, and using modded cars/tunes. What PD is doing could mirror that when all is said and done.
They will probably just have a report button so people can report who is using these cars online.
Then people are going to just spam the button on people that make them mad?
Damn, Now i can’t change the color off my ferrari F1 :(
I can confirm, at least for me, that I have not lost access to online play. All my cars are still there as well.
You know, I must say, I felt that this needed to happen, but it really hurt when i was on the verge of finishing a Le Mans series with RM’d 458s and M3s and such. And even Daytona Prototypes (Group C with V8 muscle) and just as it was to be shown off today…The dream is broken…Guess GT5 will never get that kool even if the community tries. I was never even a hacker for 1000000HP cars, only modded broken cars…But…Maybe its for the best…After all, Stuff happens ;)
Hybriding and modding isn’t over, this is just a notice released by PD’s PR to scare people from abusing these…
Well already so one friend get the ban hammer so yea
Maybe this hybriding will make PD realise how lacking gt5 was in terms of modding and off-track options and make a better effort with gt6.
Forget about it, He only cared about his vision of the game. Not his fans’. Pretty sad.
@LaBounti – yes it does seem like Kaz is only chasing his own dream, and ignoring all of us. I am worried for the Gran Turismo series’ survival now
;)
Paint chips must go, in favor of a variable color chart/graph.
I don’t have any of these hacked cars, but I personally think its cool that people want to create vehicles that are more than just what we can do without hacking. I personally do not see a lot of it as cheating, except for the 1,000,000 bhp cars and such. For those of you who are being so callous against it, then don’t use them, simple as that. Don’t bash people who are being creative and making realistic vehicles for drifting, cruising, etc.
I’m all for banning these hacked cars, however it would not upset me at all if they were to add a similar, legit swap functionality to the game. Obviously there is some desire for it and we’re it to be part of the game there would at least be some regulation to it.
Perhaps if you wanted to put a Chevelle engine into an Evora you would need to have the Chevelle donor car in your garage and would lose it after the swap. Then again it may be too late to see this in GT5, but it could certainly be a part of GT6.
Finally… A logical middle grounded reply!!!
I don’t think swaps will work that way. Licensing.
Because we all wanted it but some of us chose not to cheat and wait for a game that let us do it
Sorry, but all of the people who are saying these mods are “unrealistic” need to think about what they are saying. I know someone with an S15 Silvia with an RB26 engine installed. That’s realistic, right?
What is NOT realistic about GT5 is forced SRF, adjustable ABS, steering assist, brake assist, driving line and all of the other “aids” in the game, (which i DON’T use)
You will all understand that when you’re old enough to actually drive a REAL car ;)
I’m old enough to understand that breaking the terms of service agreement will get you banned no matter how petty the offense is. When someone modifies something your business created illegally you will understand.
i do understand. I can see PD’s point of view on it, i just think it’s a bit heavy handed that’s all. Talk to us, find out why people are doing it and adapt the game to match.
They even call the game the “real driving simulator” but yet u have all of these aids like he listed.
if it were called the real life hacking simulator you would have an argument. at the end of the day it’s not and they have stupid aids you can’t turn off and no engine and driveline swaps, thats that.
It’s not like you can’t turn off the aids…
oh wait… except for SRF in seasonals.
Am sure that PD will Hopfully introduce engine/drivetrain swapping in DLC seeing as thats what people want.
Or at least it should appear on GT6 :)
Pretty stupid to assume that if they do the exact opposite right now, by giving this ‘warning’ out to anyone who dares to hybrid or mod their cars.
Great move PD!
I do not agree with this. I currently drive a Lotus Evora with a Chevelle engine for drifting, is that so bad? I do not enter it in ANY competitions and only use it for fun. Not a single user online has noticed and it is beneficial for everyone. The Chevelle engine produces the torque I need to drift, while the Lotus bodyline provides the looks I crave. This, in my opinion, is not cheating. I have had so much fun with that car and if I get banned I will be extremely angry. Gran Turismo can clearly implement engine swaps into the game, as I have proven with my Chevora, but they don’t do it. This causes it to be a bit of a letdown of a game. I have played GT5 since it first came out and I do not understand why a car that does not beat leaderboards or annoy users can get me banned. Polyphony Digital, think about what you’re doing; you’re about to lose many buyers!
+1
“As I have proven with my Chevora..”
This made me smile! : )
“I do not understand why a car that does not beat leaderboards or annoy users can get me banned”
Agreed…
“Polyphony Digital, think about what you’re doing; you’re about to lose many buyers!”
Highly likely. As many of these people have been loyal GT fans since the very beginning.
Cheating just so you can drift? I don’t think PD will miss you.
The point is that you’re modifying THEIR content. It’s more legal issues than fairness issues. This modding is against the terms of service agreement, and has been for a while.
Wtf??? Where in this is he “cheating”??? Engine swapping is a “real-life” thing! And he’s not using it competitively so wth are you on about?!?
@ Sauber_C9
Thing is even in the Hybrid trading thread, if you read first Post, the Moderator warns potential Hybrid requesters that Violating the terms of service could lead to being banned from online participation. It was always a risky endeavor.
Stupid move in my opinion, not everyone is using the mods to cheat. The game was starting to get boring and these mods rejuvinated the game for me at least. By doing this they will lose a lot of players and as a result a lot of money because far less people will be buying DLC.
their DLC sucked any way.
+1 I think this daft decision will come back to haunt them
Yes, ban the X1 mods with 1,000,000bhp please. But go easy on the other gamers who are just doing this to inject a bit of life back into the game
+1
yes, the much bigger problem than modded cars in online lobbies are strangers that cannot race clean. They should be banned :))
“yes, the much bigger problem than modded cars in online lobbies are strangers that cannot race clean. They should be banned :))”
This…
But then there are “anything goes dirty racing lobbies too, so even THEY have a place in Gran Turismo!!!
Good well done PD taking action bye bye cheaters hopefully other companies will take note sick of all the hackers on grand theft auto and BF3 and for all the people who say they used em but didn’t cheat it’s still classed as cheating :(
For the people crying about bans, does terms of service agreement mean anything to you?
A lot of people don’t even read the policies, so you’re probably right.
To cheat is to cheat, don’t matter if 1 or 1000 hp.
Not everyone is cheating…
it’s hacked, thats cheating. Whether you use it online to race cruise or what not. It’s hacked, maybe when you actually run a business and someone illegally modifies something you created you will understand. Until then don’t burn my fries.
Lol, illegally modified something you created? If it’s theirs it’s theirs. Using illegally modified cars in sanctioned events can get you banned from the even, but owning them is your business. Once you leave the dealership, it’s yours… Do what you want with it, just don’t break the law. There should be a place for mods… Even if it’s just free ride.
you don’t get what I’m saying, I’m not talking about real life cars. I have a heavily modified car in real life, GM doesn’t care. I’m talking about this game we bought, there are products out there that the proprietary owners have agreements that you can not modify their equipment whether it be software or some type of equipment without their permission or going through them. GT is one of those, you have taken their creation and illegally modified it.
There is no gray area in this, you either did or didn’t. I really don’t see how you can feel any anger towards PD, they have a terms of service agreement which you and everyone else agrees to and so does Sony. You break it and you run the risk of being banned from a game server or even all Sony online functions.
you can argue till your blue in the face and it doesn’t change the fact you hacked the game. everyone can cry about it but you will be back in GT6 because the other games won’t stack up or you will be banned from those also for hacking. enjoy the offline afterlife.
Whoa buddy… Slow your roll wit’ da accusations. I have no anger towards PD, and honestly stopped playing GT5 months ago. I’m waiting for GT to get back on track as I’m completely bored with it by now and want to see it improved upon. Even so, I visit GTP weekly, if not daily to see what’s new, improved, or changed in the GT world.
Yeah, I understand all this ToS ‘ish you speak of however I’m requesting PD/Kaz to be a little more “human” in his approach to the treatment of his thousands if not hundreds of thousands of GT fans in this matter. People have formed friendships, allies, rivals, etc. on PD servers all in the name of, and passion for the love of cars. Period. What you like to do with them is broken into niche groups, but we all have a love for what PD has created. I don’t think breaking people away from online completely is the route to take. Simply put. No need to be cold in your responses towards me. Apparently hybriding has left a bad taste in your mouth or has scarred you for life. If not, I don’t see why you’re so demeaning and belittling towards it.
i jumped ship to FM4 as this started but have worked in a line of business where people took something i created and illegally used it. i know where PD is coming from. you want a feature in the game ask for it, don’t hack it in and then defend it when punishment comes.
I understand where you’re coming from in that regard. Idk… This just seemed a bit different to me as it’s not jail breaking, and the only thing being “modded” was the game saves which made it accessible to everyone. Even more so were the cars that were sent to people who didn’t mod it themselves. Idk. A complete ban just seems to be a bit… much… Atleast in this case. But w/e… It’s in their hands… I’m just giving my opinion as I feel differently than many of the comments I’ve read. But I do respect the facts that you’ve stated. Sorry to hear about that happening to you, but I don’t see the mods as stealing. I see it as a spark in interest in GT5 as a franchise and likely even increasing sales. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my guess. It brought me back to GT5 for a bit when I was already done with it, and there are many that I see, only play because of it. Oh well. Law is law right? Who cares who’s lost in the process. :-/
I understand the game has gone stale and they are trying to keep life in it (reason i bought an xbox), it just comes at price sometimes. It went on long enough that i figured they were just going to let it fly, maybe the only ban those that used the cars and got on leader boards.
woahhh i hope i’ll not get banned, i hope i’ll be lucky with that and avoid that ban.
that sucks so much, engine swaps and drivetrain swaps shouldn’t be forbidden.
Well done PD!
So I could get banned for using a Mini Cooper 1.3I with a GSX-R engine? Or a RWD converted R35 drift machine?
The 1,000,000,000HP Cars I can understand, but engine swaps and drivetrain swaps that are realistic?
And before anyone points it out, I know that hacked cars full stop are against the EULA, so in doing this, PD is just enforcing it. However many GT fans like myself have enjoyed the oppurtunity to create ‘new’ cars, much like those who own Forza already do. Engine Swaps, Drivetrain Swaps, Painting of nearly all cars, chassis swaps etc, these are all things we want, and the hacks brought a fresh breath of air to GT5, which PD want to stifle. For all but the most diehard fans, I can see this being the end of GT5 :/
Finally, get rid of those cheats …take the most drastic action possible… ban them …take away the accounts …ban the console. you can not go far enough for me on this.
Not everyone used them to cheat.
+1 Not everybody who mods cars is a dirty cheater don’t be so narrow minded
but they did break the terms of service agreement.
I know plenty of people who haven’t personally took part in hacking, but have these cars, so the terms of service have NOT been violated knowingly by that person. FACT!!
ignorance is not an excuse
“ignorance is not an excuse”
Right back @ ya!…
i’m not the one getting banned so yea, have fun.
Grow up.
Will do, for many it’s not fun without them…
Wonder how they plan to decide what accounts to ban.
Say you received a car as a gift. Not knowing it was a hybrid. Maybe it sits in your garage and you have no clue.
This idea is good. However careful how you implement it PD/Sony. You may harm innocent users.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL dumbasses, “hay man i’m goona sendz you a hax civic” OH NO YOU’RE NOT!!! I dont want that crap! if you can’t win… get better. serves you morons right
Hybrids and mods are used for other things than winning a stupid online race, you know?
getting banned is one of them
yeah and Frankenstein was noble experiment. get real.. these vehicles pollute the game’s integrity. play it straight or play Need for Speed.
“Play it straight or play Need for Speed.”
Really? NFS doesn’t hold a candle to GT… Enough with telling people “… well, then play such and such…” They are not Gran Turismo… Get over yourselves…
Oh no. I have to wait 3 hours before I can get home and delete everything! If not, then I will use my 2nd account for now on.
good to hear. i dont mind people doing this offline, but online should be dealt with.
What’s wrong with it online if everyone in THAT online room agrees to it?
something tells me if you read the terms of service agreement it states that it’s frowned upon.
Ugh, in this instance, ToS needs to be revised… GT5 is unfininished, plain and simple. People found a way to get their moneys worth and now PD is punishing them for it and alienating them in the process. They should atleast have a place where they can come together and express their passions as do the drifters, karters, draggers, rally’ers, stock’ers, F1’ers, GT3’ers, TC’ers, tuners, etc… Stop being so black and white. You’ll miss out on a beautiful shade of gray. Some of you stone throwers should consider your ways as well…
I’ve never seen such biased comments on this website. Is there actually anyone who didn’t just write ‘Yes PD, great, I agree with you, amen’?
I do. I use decent, realistic hybrids when I cruise with my friends and don’t want to get banned.
Also, as long as there’s no complains rising in the forums I don’t believe there is any actual action being taken.
+1000 I actually stopped posting here because of the bias. I was constantly trolled just for having an opinion lol ;)
Don’t stop! Or we then become the minority! There are so many opinions that need to be heard and our voices shape GT as a whole! It’s not just one segregated groups of Gran Turismo as a franchise that matters! If you feel GT should have nitrous, underglows, and muscle cars should be able to pop wheelies you have a right to voice it! I’m tired of ignorant “say so”‘ers that think their opinion is the only opinion that matters. I don’t care if I’m the only one feeling my opinion is important. We are just as much a part of the GT community as anyone else. Speak up!
The thing is, Polyphony doesn’t let us, the players, speak to them about our opinions, and what we think. They kind of have that ‘we decide, our opinion is the only that matters, gamers will get along with it’ attitude you’re mentioning.
I believe in being able to “mod” the cars, thats fine and dandy if its for personal use but then when you use it for rankings in the online seasonal events thats just lame. What do you gain from it? What kind of satisfaction do you get knowing you cheated?
Agreed.
i wonder who submitted the image of that x1 in the dirt
It tells you in the final line of the article. “GT5 Photomode image courtesy of ZDUPH.”
I agree PD should go ahead and ban cheaters online, but they have no right to take action against players who are doing this offline, on their own. Think of the hacking community surrounding GT2. They’re still finding stuff, fourteen years later. I miss the days when hackers were given free reign to explore a game fully, but now devs are so overtly cautious and eager to ban because they can track everything a player does at any given moment. There’s no fun in it anymore.
If GT was an open format game, we could take what’s already in the game and create new/original tracks, race mods, and more and share them with the community ala LBP. I would bring an unlimited amount of replay value to the game. But the one-track mindedness of the GT community leads me to believe something like this would be frowned upon.
IMO, the car-provided TTs are betterr. I hope we don’t lose those as a result of this.
That challenge was actually quite fun, focused more on driver skill rather then tune.
I can understand some players want to see their cas to go beyond what was not made in the game. But hey there’s a fine price to pay for… but hell, I do like 1k hp cars myself, got Viper at 1033 hp… but then again, D didn’t add engine swap for an reason, I guess.
Hybriding, Bans or whatsoever – can someone explain me Why Do I not Whant to play Gran Turismo online while 3-4 other racing games were just meant for being online for me???
I panicked, ran upstairs, got on, sold the car, rebooted with a savedata I had made before I got the one car that I had that was hacked… and nothing yet.
PHEW.
Great news!! Finally.. Polyphony Digital throwing out the trash…. Happy to see these morons get banned… play a game how it’s supposed to.. if you get bored of it.. play another game. Simple as that.
Well I only use them offline so I hope they ban people for the right reasons. Like I said, i only use them for fun and not to cheat
the chance of hacking the game could be decreased if he didnt put such boring in it. i mean like the 100 nissans where 50 of it are the same type. instead of putting more european and amarican brands. the game is just stuffed with to much jap cars that you even cant modify the way you like
The modding issue is just possible due to the lazy programming they did to Gt5.
Remember that Sony sold a game with features listed on the box that never got into the game. We have the tools to sue them back and its a 100% garanteed that we win, at least in my country.
then go for it, but you better have very deep pockets so you can get your $59.99 back in 10 years.
Good work PD, you’re doing what some of us have been talking about. Banning the account is good though the PS3 should be banned also.
If my Gt5 account gets banned I’ll jump to Microsoft/Forza or PC Sims. Sony will for sure lose one certain ps4 customer and I know many people like me who just use modded cars for fun.
Is not my fault if someone has gifted me modded cars. how the hell are the players supposed to know if a car is modded or not?
Who cares. See ya later…
THIS +1
I guess a bunch of you will be leaving hahahah.. later.
byebyeeeeee
what can I say …
I will not see you in Forza… or …
I DON’T CARE
You will care when GT6 sales flop because PD have banned most of the players of GT5.
guess what, Forza is banning people for the same. have fun playing both offline.
Such ignorant people this community has. I guess uniforms are to your liking, who cares ab out freedom of expression? More oppression please! :-/
lmao freedom of expression??? where does that come to play in hacking a game?
There is a “hella flush” modding community, some who make chassis swaps have modded GT3 league cars like Murcielago RGT’s and other vehicles… It’s not all about speed boosts and such. And most of them simply make online lobbies and cruise. I’ve found some interesting threads on it, and don’t see the harm in it. I don’t judge these people, and don’t see why I should. They stay to themeselves, bother no one, and are just as passionate about GT as you or I… It’s cool what they do, and takes much effort. They shouldn’t be punished for being GT fans and wanting to play the game differently than you. Just as people who only use photo mode, or only drift, or only drag… Hybriding has been around since GT1 or GT2. It’s an art that some have used in the wrong way. But not everyone.
SUPER LAME
Thank you.
Heh, those modders who loves to do something or to cheat, will never learn lesson, I mean never because they will just come back with new acct. And doing it again. So cycle commerence……..
Finally!
LMFAO – finally, PD actually do something good. Haven’t laughed / smiled so much for along time… I doubt PD well ban all relevant IDs, PD have a habit of not testing they’re updates/changes – but at least it’s thrown a cat amongst the Pidgeons for the ‘hackers’ (whatever you want to call them). One of them will probably find a way round this sooner or later, but for now – AWESOME, LMFAO…
About damn time these jerks got what they deserved!!! It wouldn’t surprise me if some dumbass tried to sue Sony over this:) GTFO!!!
Finally!
I’m actually gonna drink to that tonight.
I think banning is a bit too far. A “3 Strikes and Your Out” Kinda thing would be better.
I agree with you,that would be much better,besides in my drift lobbies no one ever takes out an X1,they just bring out regular or realistically modded cars like an F20C in an AE86. I absolutely LOVE it this way since I hate X1s
Banning is the perfect solution….. 3 strikes gives too many chances… but hey, they’re banning so none of our opinions matter anyway :) PD is just simply taking out the trash…
Right, so nobody should give you second chances in life either? You seem more like the “trash” to me with that kind of logic…
*Throws hand in the air
THANK YOU GOD THANK YOU
Yes, thank you. Ban them all instantly, and from GT6 too. Since it’s a violation of the terms of service and all that, it should ban their PS3 console as well.
Jerome
finally
Makes sense, but if people aren’t using them online, why ban them? They haven’t effected anyone else’s gameplay experience, so why ruin it for them?
Hopefully after the hybrids are gone the time trials can go back to normal.
Too bad for the people who just wanted to chill with friends online, show off new cars, and have a blast for $#!t’s and giggles. Maybe a warning not to use them in Seasonal Events or banning will occur. Or room restriction implementations would be better. But flat out banning people… Those people will not have anything to do on GT5 without Online Capabilities. Maybe restrict them from seasonal events or something. But a permaban on everything GT Online? That’s a GT-Axe to even the greatest of GT-Fans. GT5 is pretty much unplayable without some form of internet capabilities. That’s wack.
+1… Maybe a warning or prohibition from the seasonal events is proper, but a flat-out ban borders on stupidity. The realistic modders (like myself) would go to cruise rooms just to show off our equipment, but not actually race in a room with our hybrids. I’m still going to use my hybrids, I don’t really care if PD bans me or not – maybe they will learn something from the hybrid era that can be applied to GT6.
Progress823 is right. and also if they put a hp limit instead of an pp limit it would go much easier because the pp sometimes glitches negative so you can compete with no problem.
Hahahahahahahaha! Seen this coming a mile away!
Glad it’s finally happening.
Take your stupid hybrids and shove them. :sly:
Thanks for ruining our fun.
Fun, as in using a 1000000something BHP car and smashing them into other things? Or unfairly winning? How’s that so fun? You’re certainly ruining fun for others.
U people don’t understand there are some actual good guys modding cars realistically just ban those 10000000000 hp x1’s and stuff like that.
I don’t like the crazy ones. I prefer the realistic ones.
Although it’s probably for the best that this is the result of the hybrid cars. I hope that PD learn from this and implement a legitimate way of chassis and engine swaps in GT6. They can’t just ignore it’s popularity.
For some reason, I doubt it’s going to happen…
lol hybrid or non hybrid i will still win so this still wont affect me lol.. slow people will always be slow and fast people will always be fast…
Sad, but good! Was not a big fan of the 1000’s HP club.
I’m with you on that one.
FINALLY. Good work PD
gt5 was a good game when it come out then people started hacking and it got better before it got board but then when u figur out how to put a 427 in a mazda rx 7 just to here it rumble is a good feeling. it made me mad seing these hacked cars that was 20000hp. it was crazy so i started doing realistic hacks u no ones under 2000hp. that way i could have fun annd people that dont hack can have fun. gt5 should not do it this way they should put a 1800hp limiter and call it a day. not take away the fun out of the game thats just my opinion
Yea!Very good PD,Thoes cars mess my game up & I didn’t even Owen one.I had to keep kicking ppl,thay use hack cars and after my game don’t function properly have to keep erasing my game data.
It’s about time.
Good, they earned it. Now give us a new dlc.
DLC might be done, but don’t take my word for it.
Im so glad I was never interested in the whole Hybriding thing. Now I can go back to Public Online Competitions.
I think you really gotta blame the hybrid owners who are irresponsible with the Modded cars they own when while trolling Open lobby they indescriminately join any room and disrupt whatever event that may be going on there with 14,000 HP vehicles. As for those that tried to promote Sensible modding and mature Online usage, Kudos for trying to bring Sanity to offset chaos.
It was fun while it lasted. Shame they had to do this.
I saw yesterday that someone was selling hybred cars to order on eBay for £3 each !!!
Thank you PD, it’s been a long time coming! Maybe now they will think about letting us do engine swaps in GT6, like in forza and shift
First: I do not adhere to these “hybrid’ hacking.
I have been playing GT5 since it came out and by a year or so i finished all achievable events (ie. attained gp 100%, reached lvl 40, got all golds, got all cars, etc, etc). Now if PD have not stop it to level 40 only, then people would not be bored with this game that’s why they hacked it. and now its very easy to get $2,000,000 plus a race how unrealistic it is! i thought i will continue to play the “best racing game” but it failed. PD, open up unlimited level to true players and we will continue playing the Gran Turismo series.
Polyphony Digital (phony) its your own fault. the game became BOOORING period.
To those hackers who now say they won’t play the game anymore, let me tell you what you told me to do when I said the hybrids were ruining the game for me … “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out”.
They sucked and now they can play need for speed
+1
I don’t ever race my hybrids online and as matter of fact I don’t race online hardly at all, it has been a year since my last race in the open lobby so this doesn’t really effect me much. I can understand why they would ban people for using them online, that does make it unfair for others, but me personally I don’t think they should ban people who use them offline.
So that explains those impossible times on the leaderboards.
Sounds good. Thank you based Kaz
About bloody time is all I say!!!!
Way to ruin probably the best thing that’s ever happened to GT5 and the community here. Yeah there were some stupid cars, but a lot of people were making realistic cars, and it brought life back to GT5 for A LOT of people. Thanks, PD for reminding us of how much you :censored: up GT5
clap clap clap
good job kazu
I’m glad to see Sony/PD finally taking action on these hacked cars. Yes, the entire series desperately needs a wake up call for more customization options, but going outside the parameters of the game and hacking the data is not the way to send that message across.
Ye…. sorry im not going to drive a normal s14 again. They dont realise how many people came back when the hybrids where in the scene. This benifited the drift community so much.
so TRUE!
This I think this is possibly the wrong way for Sony to do and it could do more harm to the GT5 followers than good…..
I’ve been into the GT series since it first started and a petrol head for as long as I can remember!
When GT5 came out I was playing it on the same day and was amazed at the accuracy of the cars and the game play itself. But after a year the game was virtually completed and nearly all the cars bought or won, the game that I loved became ‘stale’ losing the sparkle and attraction it first had.
I’ve played the online lobbies with Track days, Drifting, Nacar, Dirty Nascar, Cops n robbers etc. and again I’m bored of the game again.
Then I started to see these cars that were flying past at 1000mph with 60000bhp and wheels that stick out like wings on a Jumbo…. Now to me they seemed a total waste of time and space , what is the point in going so fast in a straight line and crashing into everyone else? they serve no purpose what so ever!
However it did open the opportunity for a group of Petrol Heads to create some cars with engine/chassis transplants that were appetising.
For example dropping a 1969 V8 from the Ford Pace car into the Aston Martin Vanquish gave it a sound that an Aston should have when driven hard, that deep growl with a hint of a rasp sounded exquisite (ok the Vanquish was a V12 not a V8 but it sounded right) and with the right tweak here and there it had the proper Bhp too. And I’m sure there are lots of other combination people have done that would be a dream to drive….
Personally what they should of done is to restricted the online play so no ‘modified cars’ could be used in any of the online challenges and then to add an option in the lobby set up so that modified cars or hybrids can be excluded when desired. Also putting a limit on the BHP increase capping it at say 1800bhp to stop the silliness would be a good idea too.
Now that the recent injection of life to the game has been removed I feel that GT5 is no longer a game I wish to play, there is nothing exciting there making me want to play it now. (there is only so long one can play a game that has been completed)
I dare say I am probably not the only one who will now be looking for an alternative game to play…..
GT6 better have some good options or tuning/customization features or I’m not going bother buying it nor a PS4 to play it on. It will be just the same as GT5!!!!!
I’m not parting with any money for the same game that will be completed in 2 years even if it has got better graphics……
So Sony you will have ‘Poop or get off the toilet’! You say you will ban everyone involved and that’s a BIG statement. Just remember if you ban everyone who has done it that’s going to be a very large number GT5 gamers who buy DLC’s and potential customers of GT6 and the PS4.
You could lose a lot of business here? (This is where Microsoft come forward with a fully tuning game with all the bells and whistles lol) but for now its sayonara from this GT5 player…….
Look at it the other way; maybe it will attract MORE people because now we know they will not let this things happen. After 2 years of weekly playing for hours I am still not boared with the game. You know why; because we use it for what its made for : Clean Racing.
Having a modded vehicle automatically makes you a dirty racer? It will attract more of ONE CATEGORY of racer, while completely alienating another. Whereas proper restriction option being implicated could make EVERYONE happy, losing no fans in the process and keeping everyone PRO-GT. Idk, just think it’s a bit extreme and a shortcut to cut out people who just want to continue enjoying what they own. What is fun for some, is not for all. Now, if someone modded new tracks into GT5, I bet no one would complain.
I’ll still be using hybrids. The realistic hyrbiding brought GT5 back to life for many.
Amen!
Same. I was getting bored with it. I mean, what’s wrong with a Lotus Elise that has a Civic engine? People do it in real life.
I don’t want to become number 1 on the leaderboards, I just want to have fun.
Now that is what I call a nice late eastern present.
As little as I play GT5 these days, it’s good move from PD. Better late than never. The cheaters on the seasonal leaderboards deserved it, rightfully so. I hope the drifing community won’t be slammed completely.
I tried hybriding, making realistic ones, but couldn’t make any sense of it, or didn’t have the patience for it to be more precise. It is just way too much hassle for a few simple features that should have been there from the start. Next time, perhaps?
Hahaha, now I get to laugh at my friend with his hacked cars, hacked menu’s, and 999mil dollars. I am both surprised and somewhat pleased that PD is taking this seriously. Let’s just see if they follow through with the punishments.
You get to “Laugh @ your friends”? “Follow through with punishments”? Angry much? What kind of “Friend” are you?
I think this had to be done for all the reasons I have explained in the relevant thread… However, I don’t think just threatening people will deter them… I hope it does, but some form of real action, like a patch for example, should be taken…
Good job PD ;)
wait, would we really have to Delete them? that’d be a shame… oh, well. not like I played GT5 a lot anyway anymore…
Finally. As good as those slammed s chassis and wingless evos looked its about time all the hybrid users getting banned. Someone of us like my self refrained from these no matter how tempting they were because we knew this would happen eventually.
I’d love to see this as a feature in GT6 but hacking for it just isn’t right. Ruining the gaming experience just for yourself is selfish no matter how realistic your hybrid is.
Not everyone with hybrids is getting banned. Only the people who took them online. And hybrid making isn’t ruining the exprience for anyone if you just do it offline.
I don’t understand the people that are saying its ruining the game I’m sorry but I for one was completely bored with gt5 until the “hybrids” came along it breathed a new life into the game for me….HOWEVER I do not agree with the ridiculous impossible HP cars that is ridiculous .guess I’ll just have to let the game collect dust if I get banned
I’m with PD in this. Well done :tup:
good thing i only had like 10 cars whatever if anyone thought this was gonna last forever your a dumbass ya it was fun while it lasted but im glad there doing it good ban them all im going back to tuneing the transmission
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It made sufficient dents in the Seasonal Event Time Trials that Polyphony altered the events so that they were single vehicle events only and the car was provided rather than coming from the player’s own garage.
Best thing you done PD, because that’s fair for all ..
Any cheater is banned incl. the Online iD as done here, but IP should be banned too..
You are very funny!…
You forgot to say that PD sould come and throw out of their house all cheaters and also build a prison for these people…
A hybrided car has no benefits in terms of performance/pp, sy y can’t actually ruin time trial unless it is at the point where the pp goes back the faster the car gets.
@CostasDrifter that would actually be even better… gotta get rid of the trash…
PD will not lose by doing this.Now if GT6 doesn’t have swaps of just about every kind within the manufacturer then this is all for nothing and they might as well let you hacker fanboys have your fun. imo
How will they not lose? Cutting out a large proportion of online users will drastically drop the amount of online rooms.
Hacker fanboys? Someone’s mad and possibly jealous that they haven’t done it? You have your opinion, of course because its the Internet but your silly pot shots aren’t needed.
Yea i said hacker fanboy is that a badword? Dont get your panties in a bunch because PD cut online hackers.Grow up this series was made to be a REAL DRIVER SIMULATOR not a a chassis/engine/grip calculator hybrid driver sim.Driving is what this game is about,practicing your racecraft,and tuning for better lap times.Now if others here play for other reasons thats fine too,but dont get mad when PD tries to cater to the users who are interested in being as fair and realistic as possible.Plz dont comment on realistic hybrids because there arent ANY regardless what your PP limit tells you.Im more than happy to wait untill PD makes this a option later in the series.For a while this whole forum was basically GT5hex editor edition.SMH…. Thank You KAZ
Thank you PD! That’s the Spirit!
…By far one of the lamest move ever made by PD !!
all that because some crybabies can’t put decent regulations in their lobbies or because some STUPID KID wanted to be the 1st in the seasonal events leaderboards…
meanwhile, some real car lovers are simply trying to give some cars the beauty they deserve ( sure, that stock premium S15 is sexy as hell with those narrow tread… )
i never ever used a hacked car in any race lounge or whatever; i have respect for players that try to come up with a fast setup…but not anyone is smart enough
virtual drifters were asking for swaps since day 1 and PD, who is supposed to be be the D1GP main sponsor, will F**K them like throwing them back home with a 450hp silvia with ugly wing? AWD GT-R and GT86 with stock engine….sounds like a joke!
PD, show us drifters some LOVE !
GTFU with your drift events on eigerW and allow us to get wider, lower and more powerfull cars.
I’m a drifter and I hated the hybrid movement. If they’re not in the game they’re not meant to be in the game. You don’t need more power or loud engines and technically, you could make the GTRs handle like RWDs with the torque splitter. Cars were perfectly drift-able before hybrids were discovered.
Want swaps? Over fenders? Slammed cars? Play a PC game instead. Talk about crybabies.
@Dekropttiv: Who are you to say what we don’t need in this game? That is up to me and everyone else who bought the game.
I dont understand why people just dont hack? Leave the game alone, i know its fun but hackers are killing the game.Theres plenty of ways to have fun in this game in the traditional sense.Ive never even seen a hybrid because i stopped going online as soon as i heard about it.There are some realistic looking hybrids but by tuning a car with a hex editor and than calling it a realistic hybrid tune is just ridiculous.Want to have better tire physics,swaps,and livery go play Forza.If your bored of GT5..go play another game.Simple as that.
Bethesda never included non-crap looking hair in Skyrim, why can’t the Nexus Mod Community just NOT MOD THE GAME? That is literally what you’re saying. Hybrided cars do not increase performance/pp, and PD knew about hybrided cars long ago. Its the Secret Menu that is ticking them off, not the hybrids
I’m going to keep hybriding because it revived this game for me. If you are against it, then don’t do it. To each his own.
I do miss the old way me and my mates used to race around Nurburgring in 500pp race. In my opinion PD should learn from this. We want engine swaps, drivetrain swaps etc. In the real world it is possible then why not the game
“We want engine swaps, drivetrain swaps etc.” speak for your self.. you don’t represent anyone else but you. YOU want Engine Swaps and all that other crap. Also I’m pretty sure there are other games out there that do that.. go play those games. That being said.. it’s just a video game..
I’m going to continue using them.
Not many people know but there is a hidden menu within the options that you can unlock. It allows you to set a ‘Guest Name’ which means you can change your name on the PD servers.
I have a feeling PD are referring to this type of stuff.
Yeah, Secret Menu is pretty messed. That’s why they started banning. People on “that forum” warned people about this. PD obviously knew about hybrids before this.
At last!!!
Yeah they were indeed. I genuinely don’t think the car hacking will be a banable offense or it would have been done already. Think about it… Those using options in the ‘secret’ options menu are the ones who will suffer. Like I said, in the very small amount I play gt5 due to its mind numbing and boring game features and content, I will still use my hybrid cars. If PD ban me, so be it. If 1 gets banned then they all need to get banned and that’s a lot of the online community.
The ball is in PD’s side of the court and for the sake of the games online aspect, I hope they give the ball back.
Replied to wrong thing hahaha
Perhaps the most interesting thing about this entire situation, now that I think about it, is that it reminds me a lot of old school Formula 1. For fear of ruining the ‘sporting’ nature, many many technologies have been banned over the years. Some of which were clearly attempts at cheating, but others of which were examples of customization and uniqueness.
The difference is that Formula 1 was a single type of race with a specific purpose. But Gran Turismo is a simulator of both racing, and a community. If they want ANY realism in that simulated community, they should start considering what some of these hackers are doing, and how it has improved parts of the game significantly. Just like when turbos were invented, or the rotary engine, or the ground effect, or wings, or disc brakes, or blown spoilers… the list goes on.
For those who love GT5, remember that Forza has attempted to emulate the community, between Forza Horizon, available engine swaps, etc.
If Gran Turismo is the most realistic driving simulator in the world, but is a completely unrealistic simulator for the [i]experience and community[/i] of automobiles, well, a lot of people may get fed up with it.
Well Done PD !!!!!
I’ve encountered them several times through a few of my friends in the past few weeks..I don’t have any and don’t really approve of them so good on you PD.
Strip them all of they’re game data I say so they all have to start from scratch !!!
And that benefits you how?
There is no way they will bann everyone that has these cars. It would be a loss for them with over half or more of the community gone. How ever i agree with their decision to bann people to using these cars against people on the drift/time trials. Not anyone that simply just has the cars and has not used them in these online events. Still do not think that is going to happen and still has not happened yet.
The game is online now and you can´t modify files in the game. Try to modify files in rFactor and join a community to play a championship. You can´t do it and if you do that there are plug ins that you need to install that gives info about the game and stats that says if you are cheating.
Since GT is a simulator too and not a simple child arcade game without online mode, you can´t modify the files. The article says that they can´t play online but they can still play the game offline. You don´t need to stay connected to your network to play GT5.
Banned from the game means just that, you can´t play online in GT5. But you can cheat and glitch whatever you want offline with your game.
More than fare for me, this is the right thing to do. You can´t have this behaviour in online competition.
One of my PSN friends got banned from GT5 online, so they are taking actions for sure
Stupid hackers, good to see PD taking action against them and their stupid games.
The problem is that they should have allowed such modifications as a legal, regular game mechanic to begin with. Maybe not all, but some.
Fact of the matter is, they made a game that was sort of fun. But their PP, tuning, and modification system was way too simple and left little room for excitement or play-ability. Drag racing was almost solved, so that skill was basically out of the equation (once you learned to find the proper tunes) and their physics updates were the only thing shaking up the playing field.
When hybrids were discovered, it become obvious that many players who didn’t want extreme modifications began to use them as well. The drifting community in specific, one of the largest sub-communities in the game (possibly the largest, given how much drift support GT5 gave them) grew tastefully and surprisingly well. This shows that if PD had properly made the game’s modifications to allow for the swapping of most engines, tires, etc. there would be a much smaller group of people actually trying to hack the save file, and those who are would be making much more illegal cars.
The issue is not that people hacked the game. [i]People are going to hack video games.[/i] It happens to nearly every game that has come out in the last thirty years. They become modified, they get hacked, it happens. They should accept that. The problem is that so many people are hacking it, that it no longer fits their vision of a proper game. The “customization” aspect moved from “not very fun”, passed “just right” and went straight into “way too much” when hacking was introduced. PD has a wonderful opportunity now to dial it back just a little, but allow a lot of the unique modifications.
If they ban those who are using the cars to achieve faster competitive times in races online or offline illegally, then I completely understand. If they ban the entirely of hackers however, they they are just moving the game back to its stagnant space that it occupied half a year ago.
The smart move would have been to let this go for another six months, and then start banning during a GT6 promotional or near the release, and rectify the problems in GT6.
it’s inevitable.
Good news! Nice to see that PD is taking some action into this.
Good.
I hadn’t played GT5 online since I heard about these hybrids floating around. Nice to see them being ridded of.
However I hope people with ‘realistic’ modifications don’t suffer from the ban hammer – especially if they have not used them online.
Serves the 12 year old’s with 1k X2010’s right though.
I can hold my hand up and say I am one of these people. I have cars mainly modded for aesthetic looks or for drifting so never exceeded 1000hp. Regardless though, they can’t police what is an understandable Hybrid and what is just ludicrous. They all need to go if they are going to do it right. But along with the hybrids, PD will lose a massive following.
@D-Max: This is what I call “clean the garbage”. Games should not allow such things and less in online multiplayer modes in which people use to compete.
Glitch offline if you want but not online to show off your ridiculous and unrealistic crap.
As simple as that. Less people doing this…just less glitchers and best experience for the ones who actually wants to play this game as it should.
Hackers aren’t happy unless they can hack. Giving them the boot is the best news I’ve heard in a while. Please let the door hit them on the way out.
You do know people can still make hybrids despite this, right?
Sony are missing a trick here, it would make much more sense to have modified and non modified lobbies, and leave the modded cars race against each other.
This is the biggest mistake ever. This will definitely result in people not having any faith in the GT franchise, which means less people will buy GT6.
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Well done PD!
Yes, let’s see how big are their “balls”…I will continue use my hybrids with or without PD…Forza 4 is waiting for me!
See ya Forzas cool
Ok PD. Let me see you ban the Thousands if not hundreds of thousands people using these cars……
EXACTLY.
This. :s
Good Riddance.. I don’t see why they wont do it.. there are more normal players than hybrid creating morons playing the game.
@scoobyonline: Love how you feel it was necessary to insult people. Classy.
At last :D
This is good news indeed.
I hope all glitchers get banned, serves them right. Kinda sucked getting stomped by a toyota supra doing 1:48.5’s at Nurburgring gp/f in a gt500 room with no aids. Hopefully the rooms and races will be back to normal and actually fairly competitive…
And Thank you Polyphony too .
Because suddenly some fast guys were under suspicion of using hack cars
I really appretiate this
Happy to see that, “glitchers” and people who change the base files of the game should not be allowed to play online (not even mention that they shouldn´t modify any content at all)
I don´t like how PD did the PP system in the game, and I don´t like how you can modify your car to make it run totally in an unrealistic way.
That´s the main reason why I never race online. I just did a couple of times with stock cars and people who liked to drive stock cars (as it should be) not with weird modifications or unreal tuning setups. Fault of the people or the game to allow this? Both in my eyes.
You can´t make a proper simulation if the tuning is unrealistic and not limited in some areas so you can make proper races instead of looking at which car “goes more in rails” than the others.
Hope they take note for the next game.
GOOD!!! Heads are gonna roll!
Never encountered these types of cars?
It would`ve been a brief encounter, they went pretty fast. I was in a SSRX race, in a Bugatti (of course) and lost the two lap race by 1:28 min. I never actually saw the other car, just a cloud of tire dust and the timer letting me know how far ahead of me it was…
nice :) lol