IGN editor Ryan Clements entered the GamesCom show floor this morning, and headed straight for the Gran Turismo booth. After admiring the game’s new damage features, he got to talk with Kazunori Yamauchi and asked him to clarify some of the questions that were raised yesterday. As many expected, not all of the cars in the game will feature damage:
“The next detail Kazunori touched on was regarding damage models. I can confirm that not every car in Gran Turismo 5 will sport damage models — it will only be select sets. However, Kazunori has yet to decide on a finalized list of featured car types for damage support.”
That’s consistent with Yamauchi’s previous comments, when he mentioned that only “race cars” could be damaged in the game. Unfortunately, he also confirmed that Porsche have chosen not to join the Gran Turismo series, signing an “exclusive arrangement” with other parties. That’s strange, though, because we already know that Porsche’s cars will be in both the upcoming Forza 3 and Need for Speed: Shift – games made by two different publishers. It looks like the mystery surrounding Porsche and their involvement (or lack thereof) with the GT series will continue to puzzle us fans for quite some time. Perhaps, one day, we will learn the full story…
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Although It’s fair to say different people like different cars, anyone who says they won’t miss Porsche doesn’t know anything about them. To miss Porsche isn’t just missing on one brand; we’re missing out on some of the greatest race and sports cars ever built; the 917, the 935, the Carrera GT, the 928 GTS, the 911 Carrera RS, the 550 Spyder… the list goes on. No Porsche is a huge shame and is almost a deal breaker. It couldn’t be due to corporate competition-shyness, after all it’s a RACING game featuring pretty much every major AND most minor auto manufacturers, why wouldn’t you want to try to prove you’re the best? That’s the point, after all.
But, the real deal-breaker here is the ridiculous limited selection of damagable cars. That is unnacceptable. They’re doing the same annoying, HEARTBREAKING shit they’ve always been doing, offer some tasty options and cars and then heavily limit them, making them pointless and unfun. Remember not being able to race the Caterham in GT4? Or how about offering a displacement upgrade that so far as I’ve seen NO car can get? I think what Polyphony and the boys are doing is bending over and letting the guys at Microsoft shove Forza right up their asses – admitting defeat.
As a long time GT fan, I’m sick of this. Personally, I’m boycotting Gran Turismo 5. I want perfection, GT5 isn’t delivering it.
@Matty
Interior views, THATS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!
I’m not too bothered about Porsche not being included, if Ferrari are in then that’ll make up for it! Are lamborghini gonna be included in GT5 or just GT PSP?
Damage is a bit of a let down but not one of my essential features, just so long as every car is available with the cockpit view I’m happy!
^^ KY said that this is only one step into damage, and I believe it seeing as there is damage on 1 car. ^^
Look at this!!!!!There is NO impact damage!!!No vechicle DEFORMATION, only parts are removable!!!And COLLISION physics are just f@#@%ng JOKE!!! Ugh… I finally understand why there no release date…PD just working on GTPSP most of the time.I smell somthing not good from all of this :-\ SORRY FOR ENGLISH :)))
It frustrates me to hear that people argue how manufactures don’t want their cars damaged. HELLO?! We have games like Forza 3 and NFS Shift with binding contracts with manufactures regarding there cars being damaged. Manufactures not liking their cars damaged is a ridiculous excuse. It must have been an issue regarding time management. With only about a 140 members in staff (roughly, although I could be wrong), it unfortunately seems rather predictable to assume a limited amount of effort regarding the implementation of damage in 1000 or so vehicles. The outcome is rather dissappointing and if P.D or whomever fails to do something drastic about it, sales could be drastically effected.
Also, when they say 830 standard vehicles, my hope is that there will at least be GT5P graphical features as well as interior modeling which blends in with other vehicles as well as the “special” -__- vehicles. If this is so, I count myself as being satisfied.
Why is everyone whining about Porsche anyway?
Porsche Carrera Gt and 911 GT1 road and race cars = only worth while Porsches( no offense to Porsche fans) oo
Just played burnout paradyse… and its damage system rocks! I want this X10 from PD not crappy lol damage we have seen, its just rediculous, it is so funny that it is to be shiped with GT5 funny edition, for serious one burnout paradyse damage x10 please!!!
Only 170 cars have damage. Only 170 cars have cockpit view. out of 1000 so what they mean is there putting GT4/GTP together to make GT5. is it me or is that a massive kick to my BALLS.
Why do people keep saying that damage is a waste of time, it is not that you should crash for fun … if you make a fatal mistake during a race you should pay for it .. not just bounce against a sidewall and keep going … without proper damage (both cosmetic and internal) in this time … when even dirt 2 is going to have flat tyres for example …
What about F1 cars for Ferrari?
Well, I think not only PD should include Ferrari F1 Cars, but they also should have every single F1 World Champion car since 1950.
It’s possible, basically because PD have the rights of most F1 manufacturers of all time (Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, Lancia, Lotus, Honda, McLaren, BMW (Brabham engines), Renault…)
@S_M_91
Hear hear!
I have been a GT fan for years, but my loyalty has just run out, this isn’t what I was hoping for.
Forza 3 may not look as ‘pretty’, but offers the racing enthusiast exactly what they want (technical detail & realism) – Turn10 have been listening, PD have not.
Signing off for the last time, Andyuk-mx5turbo.
Now I just have to convince my friends to buy 360’s… that’s going to be the hard bit.
Partial damage = half-assed panel swapping. Waste of time. Goodbye GT5 and hello Forza 3, with 100% damage, car flips, and Porshce.
What a letdown by Kaz and the PD team. Yet another GT without Porsche. Seriously, i don’t understand why PD can’t secure Porsche! NFS and Forza both had Porsche in game. These are two separate game publishers, each able to get Porsche in. What a bunch of crap. MEGA DISAPPOINTMENT yet again by Turismo!!!!
i think i smell money you know how dirty microsoft plays
F*ck Porsche!
Ferrari was, and always will be better than Porsche
Besides, PD has RUF, which is pretty much the bad-ass version of Porsche
Who gives a flying fuck if there’s no Porsche?
Some people will never be happy, SMH.
You go and develop your own game then, or STFU!
Dany_CL Says:
August 19th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
GT5 Ferrari, Lambo and Bugatti wishlist:
Ferrari: 250 Testa Rossa, 250 GTO, 250 LM, 330 P4, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, BB 512, BB 512 LM, 308 GTB, 288 GTO, 288 GTO Evoluzione, Testarossa, Mythos, F40, F40 LM, F40 GT, F355, F355 Challenge, 333 SP, F50, 456M, 550 Maranello, 360 Modena, Enzo, 550 Barchetta Pininfarina, 360 GTC, 575 GTC, 360 Challenge Stradale, F430, 599 GTB Fiorano, FXX, F430 Scuderia, California, 458 Italia.
Lamborghini: Miura, Islero, Espada, Urraco, Countach (in some different specs from 70’s to 90’s), Jalpa, Diablo (SE 30, SV, GT and VT), Murcielago N-GT, Murcielago LP640, Gallardo Superleggera, Gallardo LP 560, Murcielago SV.
Bugatti: Type 13, Type 41 Royale, Type 50T, Type 57, Type 251, EB 110 GT, 18/3 Chiron, EB 16.4 Veyron.
Approximately 40 of 170 “new cars” in Gran Turismo.
They have the rights to have these car manufacturers in game, so I hope they approach that!
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What about F1 cars for Ferrari?
lol ^^
Maybe it is true that the amount of dammage is controlable. There are no scratches and dents when there are in the trailer. Look
Disappointing to hear about Porsche and damage limited to some cars, but GT5 should be an awesome game anyway.
It is EA that holds the Porsche license, which is why NFS will have Porsche. Microsoft must’ve reached an agreement with EA and Porsche to have their cars in FM3.
I was only dreaming of including the 959, 928, 944. but again Gemballa and Ruf and maybe Novitec rosso should fill the gap with a style. I think all this delay and lack of damage to all vehicles is due to PSP version as it would sell more than PS3. but it is shame as real GT fans and fanatics would buy a PS3 just for GT5. GT1 released in Japan in 1997 and two years later GT2 was out! 5 years is a long time to wait and waist then not get what was promised.
Blame it on Fony!!
I’m so disappointed…
…that I can’t buy this game RIGHT NOW!
“Dany” dont forget the 612 scaglietti & the 599XX, and the lamboghini LP670-4 SV
GT5 Ferrari, Lambo and Bugatti wishlist:
Ferrari: 250 Testa Rossa, 250 GTO, 250 LM, 330 P4, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, BB 512, BB 512 LM, 308 GTB, 288 GTO, 288 GTO Evoluzione, Testarossa, Mythos, F40, F40 LM, F40 GT, F355, F355 Challenge, 333 SP, F50, 456M, 550 Maranello, 360 Modena, Enzo, 550 Barchetta Pininfarina, 360 GTC, 575 GTC, 360 Challenge Stradale, F430, 599 GTB Fiorano, FXX, F430 Scuderia, California, 458 Italia.
Lamborghini: Miura, Islero, Espada, Urraco, Countach (in some different specs from 70’s to 90’s), Jalpa, Diablo (SE 30, SV, GT and VT), Murcielago N-GT, Murcielago LP640, Gallardo Superleggera, Gallardo LP 560, Murcielago SV.
Bugatti: Type 13, Type 41 Royale, Type 50T, Type 57, Type 251, EB 110 GT, 18/3 Chiron, EB 16.4 Veyron.
Approximately 40 of 170 “new cars” in Gran Turismo.
They have the rights to have these car manufacturers in game, so I hope they approach that!
Oh and NTX considering I own and play both Forza and Gran Turismo, I can definitely say that Forza is not in the same league as GT is. In fact Forza 2 is more comparable to Need For Speed: ProStreet. That’s how “realistic” it is.
Lamborghini and Bugatti > Porsche. RuFs are also tuned Porsches, and yes they’d have the latest 997 911 and Boxster models. I think a more powerful Porsche is better than not having a real Porsche, don’t you? As for damage, I was never really a big fan of damage anyway. I’m glad it’s only partial.
I think the Damage inclusion is disappointing also.. not so much because of the ~170 cars that will be effected, but why is it that so many other racing games (especially Forza) are able to implement damage modeling on all their cars, regardless of the quality.
Reasoning like ‘Manufacturers don’t like it’ don’t really float when other Games manage to pull it off.
Hi I just enter to the Gran Turismo official website
http://us.playstation.com/granturismo/products_newgt5_home.asp
And it has a spot for Gran Turismo 5 PS3 ( as all the other Gran Turismo from 1 to Prologue and PSP game) but without any date confirm could anytime soon that might change will it be available this year just waiting for release date in TGS ???? what do u think ??
Hang on! First he says the game can be released any time, now he says it’s not finished.
Basically then, the game isn’t even gold yet.
So that means it’s at least 4-8 weeks until it hits the shelves.
I fear that we may be about to witness yet another HUGE Sony cockup!
Forza has no sense of speed !!! (To me) it feel Like POLE POSITION LMAO!, The car to still and the road is moving ;-p
boo!!!!
YES “INFERNOFLAME” Good point…
Thats why I love Forza even more…
Ok.. we know No porsche… got it. As we are told legal limit is what it is… then fine it is what it is I’ll move on.
I just hope PD don’t come short in number of Models for Ferraris, lamborghinis and other exotic cars.
I hope they take advantage of their rights to use them and have if not ALL at least have lots of them.
I never cared for porsche so i couldn’t care less about that, limited damage to just race cars? It makes sense, if you have 10 banged up street cars slamming around a track all you really have is a demolition derby. I’m more concerned with interiors, are we getting limited cockpits or will every car have one?
Damage is a waste of time imo. Do you ever crash your car in GT for fun? It’s about racing, not crashing. I really don’t understand why many people put so much attention to a damage feature!?
But a real crash will take you out and you loose the race…
I am so dissappointed .. and everybody talks about the not being able to model every car with damage .. if the cars would have been built in a modular way … you don’t have to model damage for every car … you can just have parts of the code that takes care of the damage .. forza does this .. why can pd do it with gt (they have 400+ cars with damage… )
kaz did say damage would be on racing cars a good while back (audi meets pd interview). so i think its likely a contractual thing, (he also did say about weather during interview). companies not wanting to see full damage on street cars etc. but theres a chance that damage might be included in the final build. but unlocked/ allowed when all manufacturers sign agreement and applied as a patch.
It really pisses me off reading posts about people being dissapointed about the damage thing.
Seriously, in my opinion, I don’t care that much about damage in GT5. GT1, GT2, GT3, and GT4 did not have damage and they were still top notch games. GT5 will be a driving/racing sim, not a crashing game, so I don’t really care that much about the damage. If you’re a good driver, you wont crash that much. And if you do, yes, you’ll “twirl around like balsa wood.” That can make you lose the race too, just like a real crash, ya know?
i don’t want bumper cars
I agree with overdriver, even with the 5 years they have had there was no way we were going to have 1000 damageable models. Personally, I’m rather indifferent to damage but if we’re going to have it at all its going to be weird to have a select few cars on the track that can get smashed up while the others are spotless (especially with online punters). Honestly I would have rather they spent their time either: a.) skip the work on the damage, do night/day weather models (I know this hasn’t be ruled out yet but its looking more and more unlikely) and keep the 1000 cars. b.) Have 500-700 (either now or through DLC) that all have damage. I would prefer option a to b, in fact I might even prefer what we’re going to have to option b because I love a large variety of cars. My point is they had plenty of time that wasn’t necessarily wasted but rather unwisely used (there was results from what they put time into). If they hadn’t had put this time into damage or the GT PSP (some people might love it but I never thought this was a game for a mobile platform) I think we could be looking at superior models, a livery editor (and/or customizing options for the body), and dynamic weather and night/day effects. While I know these haven’t been ruled out yet, like I said I’m not getting my hopes up and its going to be weird having a game with only 20% or less of the cars having damage.
1 update and all car will have damage….the end…
Damage only on some cars is not due to PD not having time or being lazy. I bet they could enable damage via DLC / a patch if they wanted. It’s down to manufacturers being picky about different crash / damage criteria, and Kaz wanting consistency. The only way is as it’s being done – have sets of (race) cars that can be damaged.
No Porsche = no surprise. Could always come as DLC one day.
Cheers up everyone. Not sure why everyone is getting so down-beat about the game.
U know what everyone who is so peed off rite now about damage and Porsche will still be buying this game why? Cos GT always has you coming back for more.It’s like no other game out there.
Also if any of u mofo’s remember way back when Kaz was asked about the damage system he did say that manufacturers also have a say in this so its possible that his hands are a bit tied in that regard.Why? cos as per Kaz when he does damage in GT it has be as realistic as possible and manufacturers were not too keen on the extent of realism as it could impact negatively on the respective brand.
I cant wait for GT5
KAZ IS A LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fingers crossed for dynamic/real time weather
Gran Turismo 5 PlayStation 3 Gameplay – Taking Damage
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/857126/gran-turi…amage_081909.html
Gran Turismo 5 PlayStation 3 Gameplay – Agressive Race
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/857126/gran-turi…erace_081909.html
Gran Turismo 5 PlayStation 3 Gameplay – Fast Turns
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/857126/gran-turi…turns_081909.html
All about the online portion for me… damage or no damage i could live without it
As long as I get my Yellowbird I don’t care too much. Though a 917 WOULD have been amazing. I wonder why though, MS paying Porsche off in the style of GTAIV? It’s possible but I don’t think so.
DAMN the other STUFF,I JUST HOPE THE ONLINE PORTION OF THE GAME LOOKS AND PLAYS AS GOOD AS WHAT PD HAS BEEN SHOWING !!!
Regardless if you like Porsche or not, its a huge loss for the GT franchise, again. Sure RUF is better than nothing, but its hardly better than a Porsche license. Porsche isn’t just the 911, there’s so many classic Porsches that we won’t be driving.
But you can’t get everything. The Skyline R35 is missing from Forza 3, and the guys over at the Forza Motorsport forum made quite a ruckus about it. Need for Speed Shift doesn’t have any Ferraris. PGR4 didn’t have Porsche either.
Having damage on just a few cars doesn’t surprise me though. We all know Kaz talks out of his ass, every damn time. When he announced cockpit view, I was like “Ok, he’s really in the shit now” and when he announced damage, I was like “Ok, he’s REALLY in the shit now”. As with GT4, he pulls out in the last second with some sort of compromise.
But anyways, I don’t care much. Sure its disappointing, but at least they didn’t go through with their idiotic microtransaction plan for GT. I want a full, proper game.
I want to see this contract. Isn’t this public record by now?
I’m not bothered about Porsches….but the damage?….hope for weather…..
DIS IS FRUITY WEN WILL DAT MAN SAY DE DAM RELEASE DATE SO I CAN WAIT SO MORE?
WAIT WAIT!!!!!!!! Let me say this people im not bashing PORSCHES… I lIke and respect them as much as any other sports,super,hypercar but other than RUF they havent been in the game so im not gonna cry over something that i never had…in the first place,(COUGHING AGAIN PD!! “STROSEK,GEMBALLA,TECHART!!!)! lol
LOL AGREED your right “ZMANN”!!! I hope theres more companies PD’s not mentioning maybe KOENIGSEGG,now i’ll trade those turbo bugs for that ANY DAY …
HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT
Wtf! only a few cars with damage!
PD should have finished his work after we waited soo long!
I’m realllyyy pissed off right now!
Actually, GT not having Porsche does hurt the game immensily. Porsche is the biggest and most significant sports car company in the world. Even more so than Ferrari as Ferrari has not won LeMans since 1965 and the 911 has won everything there is from road racing to rallying. I consider myself a professional GT player and find damage to be overplayed of an issue. I know how not to crash and the people i play with don’t hit each other.
Porsche is sportscar racing and the best there is. Their absence hurts GT and makes me hate the Microsoft people that much more. What an incredible let down.
Imagine…..no 917, 962, 935, 993, 964, RS Carrera, 550, 997, GT2, GT3 RSR, 906, 908/03, 911 GT1, RS Spyder, ect ect ect
I know you weren’t mad.. you were being optimistic. I just meant you forgot to mention Bugatti when you listed Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche.
You said we were getting two of three, but it’s really like three of four!
For all those saying damage is not important, bla-bla etc. – damage is one of the most effective ways to teach people careful driving. I just hate those penalties in prologue – damage is a true real-life reason-consiquence – when some rammer in FR car rammes me in the back, he can damage his engine for good and forget about winning – thats how it should work. And probably flags system with disqualifications.
i dont have a problem with damage being restricted to specific models. makes sense. what i think will be odd is racing cars with damage against cars without.
but if damage is restricted to race cars…. then your only really likely to race a race against another race car.
one interesting thing ive not read anything about is weather…. ive noticed from the screens here…
http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-game-features-announced/nws12506063475033054/
that the real time weather widget is no longer present. i hope weather hasnt been ommited as it would make it truly awesome.
“ZMANN” i know and im not mad about i was just saying that the game was good when we didnt Have them in the GT1-4 thats all and that the game is even better with the new companies that joined the series(Ferrari etc…) think you read it wrong…
I don’t get it – there are like 100 iPhone apps with Porsches in them, not to mention tons of different console games, including the POS Need For Speed series. WTF!?!?!?
And how could anyone say they aren’t a fan of Porsche? If you don’t like the looks, fine, but they make some of the best cars EVER.
Damage is WAY more important than daylight cycling or weather. I’m talking about physical damage, the type that affects in-game handling, not graphical effects of parts bending or falling off. If there’s no long term consequence for someone flooring the gas in a hairpin corner and hitting the wall then it’s not sim racing, it’s arcade racing.
In my opinion the damage doesn’t even need to be that great, just low, medium, and high amounts of damage to major parts of the car that have a negative effect on the way it handles; pulling to the left constantly, acceleration is lowered, punctured tires, completely wrecked, etc.
I spelled PORSCHE wrong ;-p , see im not missing anything!,Oh and i forgot to mention being that porsche is in GT5 im gonna make sure that NFS is missing from my console and definetley not buying a CHEESE BOX for FORZA!!! (A.K.A BIRD HOUSE a.k.a POTTY SEAT,a.k.a Great target if you own a AK-47). If enough people did that those A$$HOLES couldnt buy exclusive rights !!!
later down the road eventually there will be DLC and maybe u will get porsche…and some new cars :)
when we first saw gt5 at e3 people were complaining that there was no game play or we were not told any thing about the game but now we have gameplay and features and all people can do is complain make your mind up and stop complaining gt5 is almost here and we can now show forza fans what a real game is like
Bollocks to porsche!! Is everyone forgetting that GT5 has Ferrari,Lamborghini,Bugatti and whatever else we don’t know about.
I mean damage on a few cars is a bit shite i admit but Im not that arsed as long as we can tune maybe a paint shop not so much putting boy racer stickers on just to be able to change your second hand car colour : ) and some subtle body kits I would be very happy : )
I hope you are listening PD : ) lol
Excuse me, BUGATTI not Maserati. :-p
Actually “ICANT55”, we now have Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati. But instead of being thankful, people insist on focusing on the lack of Porsche. Give me a break.
I just want to try and take everyones mind away from the damage for a second (it’s been the topic of conversation for a while now) and just say that the game really does look stunningly pretty…
who gives a shit about damage? honestly?
Like LordVon said, having real-time weather and daylight cycling is much more important in making Gran Turismo the “real driving simulator” than any crash damage could be.
NO car company wants there product smashed to bits while there biggest rival blows by flipping them the bird!,Honestly i dont care all about the damage on the normal cars i want this game to drive,If you wanna crash buy demolition derby! And as for PORSHE!!! the DUMB A$$ that signed that contract is gonna really regret it after this game drops and out sells the other bullsh*t(coughing FORZA,NFS)!,The game is still gonna be hot not matter what… Im sure the game will have DLC, So who knows how many other cars and tracks will come out later. EA & the makers of FORZA stoop real low because there AFRAID!!! (CMON and WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE).GT was Good before Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porshe and now that we have two out of the 3 it’s even better,Its not like car companies are leaving GT to go to them… SO GOOD JOB PD NOW GIVE ME MY F*CKING COPY OF GT5!!! LMAO
I don’t give a fuck about Porsche but i’m really disappointed by damages. what the hell mean only on selected cars!!??
GT5 will have DLCs available to download through PSN so PD may add more vehicle damage and even porches (if they break their contract with Microsoft and EA)
Maybe most cars will have damage. Certainly WRC, NASCAR, and race cars will have damage. But i think classics like 50s and 60s cars might not have them or certain manufactures allow them so it might not be a let down. But i really want to hear about climate changes.
Porsche + GT5 = No.
Porsche DLC for GT5? Maybe someday.
Frankly, I’m not much of a Porsche fan, so I couldn’t care less.
What I want to know is, for the car sets that do have damage, will they have texture mark scrapes & scratches and will there be any deformation of body parts? From the damage video we’ve seen so far, doors, bumpers, bonnet and boot have all flown open (or fallen off). Is that the extent of the damage or will we also have cracked / smashed windscreens, scratched bumpers, dents, wheels and small parts flying off, faulty brakes, broken steering, etc…? If we get all of that for a select set of cars, I’ll be happy with the damage.
Personally, I’d really like to see changeable daylight and weather over and above damage. I’m more likely to turn the damage off anyway (if it’s an option). I don’t want to have to restart races just because someone crashed into me and the idea of a rewind mode – like Forza 3 has – is just a horrible thought for me.
no porche, no problem
@Jamaicangamer Nissan skyline GTR (R34) NUR 2 (2002) that is.
oh well srry to dem porsche fans. maa bad but i still get to tear it up in ma skyline r34 gtr.
Well, I don’t love Porsche.
As long as we get some RUFs to drive.. they are better than the normal Porsches (they say)
This totally blows…
rather have no damage than half cars or “human car only damage”
seriously….porsche, SCREW YOU
We have SEEN new things about GT5, but we haven´t LISTEN to it yet. Will the engine sound be improved?. If not, it will be a big disappointment for car lovers, considering the sound is 50% of the driving emotion and experience.
Have someone ever said in PD that there will be damage in all cars.We knew this, i am not suprise! I have always like the gt series way it is..pure racing. Look the numbers we got..gt5 is bigger than ever!
It is obvious why Porsche doesnt want to be involve in GT5: GTR its rival!
Nissan GTR had beaten the 911 Turbo as well as GT3, Porsche might feel that the game will further tarnish their brand. Furthermore, Polyphony Digital has very close ties with Nissan so I think thats why. Lol. Anyway, would love to have Porsche in GT5 but it doesnt really matters if its not.
I was dreamin’ with a 959-F40 duel in Nordschleife…it’s a shame, but at least we will have a Zonda-Veyron-McLaren F1-Enzo fight in Dunsfold Aerodrome (Top Gear Test Track).
Dont know why everyone is making a big deal about Porsche, personally i think their cars are horrible looking, its their loss, people with the money will now go out and buy Ferrari’s or Lambo’s who are ing the game, for the last few years Ferrari were up their own arse by thinking that their cars were too good for GT and now they have cracked and relised that they need GT more than GT needs them, Porsche will too, dont be surprised to find a game pack of Porsche’s in a years time for the game
this was almost logic; having limited damage on certain cars comes from a simple matter: there was no time for developing 1000 fully-damageable cars (besides the well known problem with car manufacturers about their production cars being damaged). I think it’s an unbreakable barrier, so folks get used to it, it’s all you’ll see in GT series…
I don’t really care too much, GT5 will be the greatest driving simulator, damage or not, porsche or not.-
What’s so good about Porsche, there’s plenty better companys in the game.
They spend too much time on PSP version & GT5 Prologue,to bad for GT5.So much time of waiting and waiting…We get half product(830 cars from GT4 and probably much more than half old tracks)
disappointed too:(
Porsche I can live without, damage I can’t I wanted every car to support damage for ealism, this will not be pre-ordered..thats for sure I’ll wait for a price drop in a few weeks/months after release.
But he said that damage will be only on car that the player use or that he has’t already select what type of car will feature damage?
Manny, you don’t break contracts by having more people working on it – a contract is a contract. No matter how big PD was there’s nothing they could do if the contract Posche signed prevented them from joining.
as long as all the cars have interior and nascar and wrc have damage im happy with the game
Having no Porsche is a major let down to the game. I wonder if PD did something to make Porsche mad because GT has never had Porsche, right? I know lots of other games that do, so Exclusive arrangement sounds fishy. How can you have major races without Porsche. I like damage but I would rather give up damage for Porsche.
I think contract with Forza development team specifically points out that porsche cant appear in GT series, cause gt is their only actual market competitor (car sims for everyone). So thats why guys from NFS could easily get them. Moreover, there is no single NFS game not featuring porsche (except U and U2) and the whole game dedicated to this brand which made lots of people including myself into Porsche fans and even customers (btw there were damage, cocpit view and even engine swaps). As for game features what Im really afraid of is lack of visual tuning – if there is no such things as aero kits and custom painjobs/vinyl editor, than unfortunately FM3 gonna win this round. Also lack of news about drag and togue racing is suspicious.
Thats the problem with all this waiting… they tease us with great videos and news, and then, when the game is up to be launched … they start to drag us down…
sooOOOO…DISAPPOINTED…
what now? The weather effects will occur only in some tracks?
chris I totally agree. F porsche, I lost all respect then they started making SUVs anyway. The game looks sick, still kicks forza in ever way imaginable, and itll pretty much be the only thing in my ps3 from release day going forward. Now if theyd only announce when that will be…. (December right?)
btw head tracking is gonna be a sick feature
5 years of making this game, getting extra staff members and they still couldnt get porsche or damage to all vehicles
so wat if we dont have porsche with ferrari,lamborghini,bugati and 170 new cars who needs porsche
Also who knows what cars will & won’t have damage, it might just be certain manufacturers.
Im so mad right now after hearing this.
I wonder what qualifies a car as a “race car”…can you modify a stock car to become one, like you could in the first of the series?
It actually mentions at the end of the IGN article that Kaz was ‘disappointed’ to not get Porsche due to an ‘exclusive arrangement elsewhere’. I don’t know how you can all go blaming PD and Kaz for something out of thier control. Porsche have made a mistake, it’s done now.
I will admit porsche are a big manufacturer and one of the worlds best known as well but I’m not a massive fan of porsche so it won’t bother me much and even if I were a fan of them it wouldn’t be the end of the world, it isn’t a neccessity. We have gran turismo 5 here it isn’t about the damage or what cars are included its about the feel of the drive and how we enjoy it in competition of going against one another. Its about the feel of the drive not the things surrounding it. Why can’t some people see that? I will personally be happy with GT5 and its right at the top of my games list. Personally I’d like to thank Kazunori Yanauchi and his team at PD for making a truly beautiful game.
The only drawback to not having Porsche is RUF not having the latest Porsche models. It does hurt…Porsche is a key ingredient to racing in general, and it feels weird without them. As for damage, I’m fine with that. I personally don’t want damage being a part of every car. I honestly wouldn’t want a 1985 Toyota falling apart over bumping some guards, and not everyone is a perfect driver. How frustrating would that be if you invited a friend over, and all you could talk about is how real the game is, while your friend struggled to drive in cockpit view while the hood was flipped up from plowing into a beam? Real isn’t always fun. It should add an interesting aspect to time trials though, as wall riding can really cheat the system and provide better times by exploiting flaws in physics.
Meh, I bet by the time the game comes out, there’s going to be a lot more cars with damage… however, I’m calling it now, not a single Ferrari will have damage.
Sux big time.
That sucks really hard ….
You’re right, Tomaz – I’d say Yamauchi won’t let Porsche in the game out of pure spite for us fans. Ugh!
Maybe Forza’s contract specifically barring the GT series?
Kaz will have tried his hardest to get Porsche, no doubt in my mind. If they don’t want to play ball then that’s their own problem.
It is obvious why Porsche doesnt want to be involve in GT5: GTR its rival! Nissan GTR had beaten the 911 Turbo as well as GT3, Porsche might feel that the game will further tarnish their brand. Furthermore, Polyphony Digital has very close ties with Nissan so I think thats why. Lol. Anyway, would love to have Porsche in GT5 but it doesnt really matters if its not.
Ruf is stronger Porsche :) Bugatti, Ferrari and Lambo still in the game!
NFS has them, Forza has them. How the f*** GT can not have them? Contract my ass.
After 5 years of development for this game they couldnt get Porsche licence and make damage modeling for all cars? Im not as excited as i was for GT5. They need to put more work into this game, i say give it about 2 more years
its not PD fault after all..maybe porshe license been bought from greedy monopolising parties..
hope my ruff yellowbird will be back..
Not sure why Porsche is missing out on what would only help them get a lot of advertisement for the brand. Porsche sales in the U.S. are at the bottom of the list, next to GM’s Hummer brand if you can believe that. Sure the economy sucks and luxury goods are taking the biggest hit but that is all the more reason for the Porsche folks to get their heads out of their azzes and do something positive for the brand. At least we will still have Ruf I hope!
I’m not bothered about Porsches either way, never been a fan of them, but not having damage (at least optional) on all cars is a bit of a letdown :(
he has let us wait for so long.. our expectations are to the limit now. The only thing GT5 can do now is dissapoint us i think. Whe have to lower the expectations, to be a little happy with al this news..
damage for selected cars – pfff
would be better to not implement damage ….
i have mixed feelings now about gt5 …..
yehh ruf. dey betta hve new models doe
still got ruf ;) … i hope
HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!
I thought he was gonna make the best game ever???? Not the best half game ever… lol
Not bothered about porsche so no let down apart from not all cars being damaged
heart breaking :( no Porsche that really hurts the game in my opinion. whats the gt2 class with no Porsche? i think i will live but its a real downer and it def hurts the game more than not having damage at all.
porsche …. . .. .
T_T depression …..
bahh wateva. see still get de game eventually