Do you believe in God?

[Scaff]

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean you have to complain.

We shall see.

Just because you do believe, it doesn't mean you get to silence others

 

[Famine]

We shall see.

Not that it'll be much use by the time you do.

Also that sounds like waiting for proof. How very non-religious.

 

[TexRex]

Sure don't.

Traveling pastor, wife face new child rape charges; victims urged to come forward

Detectives are urging anyone who believes they could be a victim to come forward.

www.wsmv.com

Still no.

Youth Pastor Gets 19 Years in Prison for Sexually Abusing Two Boys

When the man realized the youth pastor who had sexually victimized him as a child was going to adopt two young boys, he stepped forward.

www.northwestgeorgianews.com

Christians ought to stop raping children.

 

[TRLWNC7396]

Addictions are addictions.

Why do we hide behind other things when healing is needed?

Not that it'll be much use by the time you do.

Also that sounds like waiting for proof. How very non-religious.

I'm not waiting. I'm suggesting that you are. We shall see.

Oops. Forgot to quote....

 

[TexRex]

Addictions are addictions.

What's the addiction?

 

[Famine]

I'm not waiting. I'm suggesting that you are.

You're... not waiting for proof of the afterlife? You already have proof?

Obviously I am. There's a Nobel Prize or two (or all of them) in it if you have it.

Although again, quite anti-religious to want the proof.

We shall see.

And again, it'll do you no good to get the proof after you die.

I'm also not entirely sure the quality of the loving bosom of a deity who wants to surround themselves with the kind of people who'll still engage in "I told you so" behaviour after they've died is quite what I'm looking for in an eternity.

 

[TRLWNC7396]

What's the addiction?

Obviously, they are into sex.

 

[Liquid]

I'm also not entirely sure the quality of the loving bosom of a deity who wants to surround themselves with the kind of people who'll still engage in "I told you so" behaviour after they've died is quite what I'm looking for in an eternity.

I'm not entirely convinced by a deity whose sources are "just trust me, bro".

 

[TexRex]

Obviously, they are into sex.

Rape isn't sex. Rape is rape.

You want sex, you find someone who consents. Maybe you pay for it, but it's still someone who has chosen of their own free will to engage in the activity absent coercion by another. You want sex, you don't rape children. This is pretty basic.

Rape is a violation of consent; of individual sovereignty.

 

[TB]

Addictions are addictions.

You aren't seriously be defending this trash, are you?

As the only person in the last handful of posts that believes in god, that's even more worrisome.

Obviously, they are into sex.

So am I, as are the majority of posters in this thread, I'd wager. We're still not raping children.

 

[Famine]

Obviously, they are into sex.

I struggle to believe that someone who's really into sex would choose children to have sex with. I mean, how good can all those kids really be at sex to get fulfilment out of it?

No, what they're into is power, control, exploitation, and domination. Which, you know, tracks with their career choice and CEO.

 

[Scaff]

Obviously, they are into sex.

The thought train required to get to that conclusion is deeply disturbing.

 

[Hayden]

The thought train required to get to that conclusion is deeply disturbing.

“It’s just the way that god (an all knowing, all loving being) made them”

/sarcasm.

Respectfully, if I was choosing a deity, I’d lean towards one with less Epstein-esque qualities.

 

[Imari]

Addictions are addictions.

Why do we hide behind other things when healing is needed?

Others have pointed out how gross it is that you're trying to excuse child rape as somehow understandable if someone has a sex addiction. There's so many less damaging things you could choose to do to satiate a garden variety sex addiction. People rape children because they want to rape children, and all the negative things that implies. Any sensible adult knows that they're ruining someone's life, and that's presumably part of the appeal.

I also think it's kind of gross that you're using "we" to group everyone in with these people. If you wanna think that you're the same sort of person as a child molester, then only you would know that and how far those similarities might go. I think it's fairly safe to say that most of the rest of us are not like these people or like you.

Speaking for myself, I'm not sure if I could rape a child even if someone was threatening to kill me and everyone I loved if I didn't. That's just not what good, decent people do even under extreme duress. However, given that Christianity is a religion full of people who feel like they need these morals spelled out explicitly and enforced through threats of eternal punishment means that I'm not exactly surprised that it's also a group in which there is a relatively high proportion of people who don't think like I do.

 

[Danoff]

I also think it's kind of gross that you're using "we" to group everyone in with these people.

For what it's worth, I didn't read it that way. I read "we" as a patronizing term like a parent might use with a child - "we shouldn't color on the walls with our crayons". The idea being that "we" the, GTPlanet community, are missing the obvious problem of some kind of sexual addiction and are instead hiding behind religion as a scapegoat.

It does seem likely that there is a sex-based mental or emotional problem with the abuser in that case. But I think that @TRLWNC7396 missed the point with the religious references. They're dismissing the bad behavior of christians the same way others might dismiss the bad behavior of other atheists without recognizing or understanding the role that various christian organizations, and christian-based religious doctrine itself, has played in covering and enabling these acts.

That's my two cents anyway.

 

[noshog]

I see this ...

Still no.

Youth Pastor Gets 19 Years in Prison for Sexually Abusing Two Boys

When the man realized the youth pastor who had sexually victimized him as a child was going to adopt two young boys, he stepped forward.

www.northwestgeorgianews.com

Christians ought to stop raping children.

And I Remember this ...

...I understand that the standard for behavior of non-believers is not as high as that of believers...

... I think I'll stick to my 'low standards' please !

 

[GBO Possum]

Addictions are addictions.

Why do we hide behind other things when healing is needed?


I'm not waiting. I'm suggesting that you are. We shall see.

Oops. Forgot to quote....

So you have the proof of the afterlife, so may I add my name to that of @Famine in asking you to share?

 

[Danoff]

So you have the proof of the afterlife, so may I add my name to that of @Famine in asking you to share?

He explained it a little while back in this thread.

Do you believe in God?

I don't think we perceive the quantum wave function - if you're still using "potential" in that way. If you're using potential to describe possible futures, I'd say that is definitely an aspect of consciousness. We know for a fact that consciousness is a product of brain function and chemistry...

www.gtplanet.net

Assuming that his child is biological, he subsequently admitted that schizophrenia runs in his family.

Do you believe in God?

I don't think we perceive the quantum wave function - if you're still using "potential" in that way. If you're using potential to describe possible futures, I'd say that is definitely an aspect of consciousness. We know for a fact that consciousness is a product of brain function and chemistry...

www.gtplanet.net

I've been operating under the presumption that this particular member is actually himself untreated and schizophrenic since.

 

[HenrySwanson]

He explained it a little while back in this thread.

Do you believe in God?

I don't think we perceive the quantum wave function - if you're still using "potential" in that way. If you're using potential to describe possible futures, I'd say that is definitely an aspect of consciousness. We know for a fact that consciousness is a product of brain function and chemistry...

www.gtplanet.net

Assuming that his child is biological, he subsequently admitted that schizophrenia runs in his family.

Do you believe in God?

I don't think we perceive the quantum wave function - if you're still using "potential" in that way. If you're using potential to describe possible futures, I'd say that is definitely an aspect of consciousness. We know for a fact that consciousness is a product of brain function and chemistry...

www.gtplanet.net

I've been operating under the presumption that this particular member is actually himself untreated and schizophrenic since.

I think, even if that were true (a diagnosis I mean), it should be a caveat rather than automatically writing off the experiences.

 

[Danoff]

I think, even if that were true (a diagnosis I mean), it should be a caveat rather than automatically writing off the experiences.

I'm not sure what you mean by "automatically writing off".

If someone reports seeing something that is contrary to the laws of physics or the known universe, the next best scientific model to explain the event is well known psychiatric or mental issues. So, for example, if you told me that a car passed by your house, I would not question your ability to accurately observe and recall information that might be corroborated by others - because the event is within the realm of scientific understanding. But if you told me a that a genie appeared in your room and offered you three wishes, I would begin to question your mental faculties for observing such an event. Corroborating evidence for that line of questioning would be if you had a history of schizophrenia or other mental phenomenon which compromised your ability to accurately perceive reality as others do when compared to an otherwise healthy person.

So yea, I'm "writing off" paranormal unexplained "evidence" as a mental issue with the observer for two reasons. 1) it goes against a mountain of other evidence 2) the person has made statements that indicate an elevated likelihood of mental issues associated with compromised observations. What else should I do? There is little reasonable alternative.

 

[TRLWNC7396]

Rape isn't sex. Rape is rape.

You want sex, you find someone who consents. Maybe you pay for it, but it's still someone who has chosen of their own free will to engage in the activity absent coercion by another. You want sex, you don't rape children. This is pretty basic.

Rape is a violation of consent; of individual sovereignty.

Oh... Boy....

You aren't seriously be defending this trash, are you?

As the only person in the last handful of posts that believes in god, that's even more worrisome.

So am I, as are the majority of posters in this thread, I'd wager. We're still not raping children.

Does it LOOK like I'm defending this? Seriously!!!!

I did NOT say this is good!!!!

UGH!!!!

I struggle to believe that someone who's really into sex would choose children to have sex with. I mean, how good can all those kids really be at sex to get fulfilment out of it?

No, what they're into is power, control, exploitation, and domination. Which, you know, tracks with their career choice and CEO.

Okay...

Let's consider what I was saying.

I mentioned that there is an addiction.

To answer the question of WHAT addiction....

I said, "sex".

Do I need to be THAT blatant? Seriously?

Do people not comprehend that ANY drug (and I'm including hormones in that statement) are addictive?

SERIOUSLY!!!!????

The thought train required to get to that conclusion is deeply disturbing.

Yes, it is. Because people who KNOW addictions understand how dangerous this is.

Others have pointed out how gross it is that you're trying to excuse child rape as somehow understandable if someone has a sex addiction. There's so many less damaging things you could choose to do to satiate a garden variety sex addiction. People rape children because they want to rape children, and all the negative things that implies. Any sensible adult knows that they're ruining someone's life, and that's presumably part of the appeal.

I also think it's kind of gross that you're using "we" to group everyone in with these people. If you wanna think that you're the same sort of person as a child molester, then only you would know that and how far those similarities might go. I think it's fairly safe to say that most of the rest of us are not like these people or like you.

Speaking for myself, I'm not sure if I could rape a child even if someone was threatening to kill me and everyone I loved if I didn't. That's just not what good, decent people do even under extreme duress. However, given that Christianity is a religion full of people who feel like they need these morals spelled out explicitly and enforced through threats of eternal punishment means that I'm not exactly surprised that it's also a group in which there is a relatively high proportion of people who don't think like I do.

UGH.....!!!!

Excuse rape?

Are you INSANE????!!!!

WHAT DO YOU THINK I'm SAYING?????!!!!!

For what it's worth, I didn't read it that way. I read "we" as a patronizing term like a parent might use with a child - "we shouldn't color on the walls with our crayons". The idea being that "we" the, GTPlanet community, are missing the obvious problem of some kind of sexual addiction and are instead hiding behind religion as a scapegoat.

It does seem likely that there is a sex-based mental or emotional problem with the abuser in that case. But I think that @TRLWNC7396 missed the point with the religious references. They're dismissing the bad behavior of christians the same way others might dismiss the bad behavior of other atheists without recognizing or understanding the role that various christian organizations, and christian-based religious doctrine itself, has played in covering and enabling these acts.

That's my two cents anyway.

Thank you. I am not saying anyone in particular.

I am saying that in order to go THIS far, you HAVE to have something SEVERELY screwed up in the head!

And, typically, that has some level of addictive mess up to the brain.

Seriously. You people are sick.

Looking for justifying and being okay with HORRIBLE actions (who cares if they are sexual or not) just because someone has a "religious" placement is wrong!

Bad is bad. And when it causes pain, it is horrible. Yes, abuse is something that can be generational. But it can also be caused by someone feeding an addiction.

Is that REALLY so hard to connect?

I am appalled at your suppositions. Seriously.

These people have gotten away with rape. Who does that?

Yes, they were caught in the end. But that doesn't change the fact that they did it, and were fine with that.

Talk about HORRIFICALLY sick people!

I don't care if you are in a religion or not, someone who rapes (and especially a child) deserves to be crucified.

Wow....

That I even REMOTELY got these replies STUNS me!!!!

What do you think I am? Seriously!

 

[Famine]

Okay...

Let's consider what I was saying.

I mentioned that there is an addiction.

To answer the question of WHAT addiction....

I said, "sex".

Do I need to be THAT blatant? Seriously?

Do people not comprehend that ANY drug (and I'm including hormones in that statement) are addictive?

SERIOUSLY!!!!????

Cool. This does nothing to address anything I said. Raping children has nothing to do with addiction to sex, or even just sex. It's all about power, control, and exploitation - and generally among people too weak to have power over anyone other than the defenceless - which tracks entirely with his profession and the "documented" activities of his boss.

You're attempting to just pass off serial child rape as sex addiction, which does a disservice to actual sex addicts who don't rape people (let alone children) as well as vastly misunderstanding and being almost dismissive of the impact of predatory paedophiles who seek these positions in order to carry out their attacks with impugnity - because their fellow religiousists will just brush it under the rug. Which looks an awful lot like saying "oh he's just a sex addict who needs help" does.

He's not raping children because he's a sex addict, and he almost certainly isn't a sex addict. He's raping children because he's a predatory paedophile.


Also it's not just drugs that are addictive, but go off about how you're the only person who understands addiction here.

 

[Oreca 1998]

I am saying that in order to go THIS far, you HAVE to have something SEVERELY screwed up in the head!

And, typically, that has some level of addictive mess up to the brain.

Seriously. You people are sick.

Looking for justifying and being okay with HORRIBLE actions (who cares if they are sexual or not) just because someone has a "religious" placement is wrong!

Bad is bad. And when it causes pain, it is horrible. Yes, abuse is something that can be generational. But it can also be caused by someone feeding an addiction.

Is that REALLY so hard to connect?

I am appalled at your suppositions. Seriously.

These people have gotten away with rape. Who does that?

Yes, they were caught in the end. But that doesn't change the fact that they did it, and were fine with that.

Talk about HORRIFICALLY sick people!

I don't care if you are in a religion or not, someone who rapes (and especially a child) deserves to be crucified.

Wow....

That I even REMOTELY got these replies STUNS me!!!!

What do you think I am? Seriously!

Misinterpretation is the cause of all heinous acts committed by religious people.
Coming from a fellow Muslim, we suffer the same dilemmas any religion experiences which is misinterpretation leading to either extremism or atheism & both parties will be thrown in Hell for it.

ISIS, Al-Qaeda & many other terror groups calling themselves "Muslims" don't represent the Muslim population just like how, as you've mentioned, those pastors don't represent the entire Christian population.

 

[Scaff]

Oh... Boy....

Does it LOOK like I'm defending this? Seriously!!!!

I did NOT say this is good!!!!

UGH!!!!

Okay...

Let's consider what I was saying.

I mentioned that there is an addiction.

To answer the question of WHAT addiction....

I said, "sex".

Do I need to be THAT blatant? Seriously?

Do people not comprehend that ANY drug (and I'm including hormones in that statement) are addictive?

SERIOUSLY!!!!????

Yes, it is. Because people who KNOW addictions understand how dangerous this is.

UGH.....!!!!

Excuse rape?

Are you INSANE????!!!!

WHAT DO YOU THINK I'm SAYING?????!!!!!

Thank you. I am not saying anyone in particular.

I am saying that in order to go THIS far, you HAVE to have something SEVERELY screwed up in the head!

And, typically, that has some level of addictive mess up to the brain.

Seriously. You people are sick.

Looking for justifying and being okay with HORRIBLE actions (who cares if they are sexual or not) just because someone has a "religious" placement is wrong!

Bad is bad. And when it causes pain, it is horrible. Yes, abuse is something that can be generational. But it can also be caused by someone feeding an addiction.

Is that REALLY so hard to connect?

I am appalled at your suppositions. Seriously.

These people have gotten away with rape. Who does that?

Yes, they were caught in the end. But that doesn't change the fact that they did it, and were fine with that.

Talk about HORRIFICALLY sick people!

I don't care if you are in a religion or not, someone who rapes (and especially a child) deserves to be crucified.

Wow....

That I even REMOTELY got these replies STUNS me!!!!

What do you think I am? Seriously!

In a reply to a post about religious leaders raping children, you replied (and I quote) "Addictions are addiction. Why do we hide behind other things when healing is needed?" when questioned about what addition, you answered (and again I quote) "Obviously, they are into sex.".

You didn't answer 'child rape', you answered 'sex'.

As such you are the one that described raping children as an addiction to sex (which it most certainly isn't), no one else.

As such the faux-outrage seems very misplaced, we are not the ones conflating paedophilia with sex-addicts, you are.


Oh, and I'm not going even get into the disturbing irony of crucifying paedophiles.

 

[TexRex]

Oh... Boy....

I mentioned that there is an addiction.

In response to child rape.

To answer the question of WHAT addiction....

I said, "sex".

Rape still isn't sex.

Misinterpretation is the cause of all heinous acts committed by religious people.

Wait...what?

both parties will be thrown in Hell

This is delusion.

It's wild to me how people went from making up explanations, devoid of evidence, for things which were not understood, like physical relationships between celestial bodies or recurring natural phenomena, to crafting from whole cloth the notion of the afterlife. The former is irrational but the latter is insane.

those pastors don't represent the entire Christian population.

Sure, and I've said as much, but one has to wonder what purpose Christianity or any other religion serves if not to dissuade the delusional adherents from violating the rights of others, especially with acts so heinous as rape.

 

[Oreca 1998]

Oh, and I'm not going even get into the disturbing irony of crucifying paedophiles.

Shoot them in the head with an AK-47 like one Taliban did to a pedophile. The execution was public as well.

 

[McLaren]

Seriously. You people are sick.

Don't blame everyone else because you failed to accurately describe whatever point you were making. These people aren't sex addicts. Charlie Sheen was a sex addict. David Duchovny was a sex addict. Sex addicts look for ways to have consenting sex, most prominently through paying lots of money for it. Hence, why even just financially, it's a serious issue. When they can't do the physical deed, they resort to pornography & online sex. Sex addicts crave the endorphins released during sex.

Rapists aren't after that endorphin rush. Anyone who rapes, esp. repeatedly, is after as @Famine described, a power & domination feeling of satisfaction. There's a sickening reasoning why many rapists have said they get off on the physical struggle and anguish of their victims. In fact, I had just watched a Law & Order:SVU episode recently that starred Lauren Cohan showcasing this dynamic where her rapist was found not guilty of rape, but of stalking. The interaction led to her being pregnant & keeping the child with the rapist wanting to stay in the child's life, providing more anguish for Lauren's character. It displayed how even post-rape, the rapist enjoyed the discomfort & pain he was still bringing to Lauren's character.

 

[TexRex]

Shoot them in the head with an AK-47 like one Taliban did to a pedophile. The execution was public as well.

Vigilantism is bad, actually.

 

[Scaff]

Shoot them in the head with an AK-47 like one Taliban did to a pedophile. The execution was public as well.

Death penalties are barbaric, don't work as a deterrent, and lead to far too many innocent people being executed.

So no, let's not follow the lead of the Taliban.

 

[McLaren]

Sure, and I've said as much, but one has to wonder what purpose Christianity or any other religion serves if not to dissuade the delusional adherents from violating the rights of others, especially with acts so heinous as rape.

Here's something unsettling I also learned existed the other week, in relation to your point.

Pastors may not represent the entire religion, but the amount of them committing sexual crimes happens so much, churches have insurance for that.

It is important to clarify that this type of insurance policy is intended to shield the organization itself and does not provide any form of protection or coverage for individuals found guilty of abusive or misconduct behavior. The policy is specifically tailored to mitigate an organization’s exposure to legal claims, damages, and associated expenses, thereby safeguarding its financial stability and preserving its reputation.

Abuse and Molestation Liability Coverage - Emery & Webb Insurance for Churches

Abuse and Molestation insurance, a.k.a. Sexual Misconduct coverage, is the only type of insurance that will protect the church against allegations of inappropriate behavior.

www.ministryinsured.com