Food Ethics (Poll)

[Liquid]

It was a complete accident. I was in Brno in Czechia with my girlfriend and she was tasked with finding us a place to get something to eat. She found somewhere which was apparently top rated for the town and it was across the road from our hotel. We didn't know it was a vegan restaurant until we sat down and were looking at the menu. I had had seitan before so I didn't mind trying it again and yeah, this pulled pork-effect burger made from seitan was absolutely superb. I can't lie about that.

 

[Hayden]

i watched the Netflix doco “You are what you eat” recently, which I found quite entertaining.

The Jist of it, is they took 20 odd sets of twins, vigorously tested their health, then put each twin on a diet. One was given healthy vegan food, the other was given healthy meat-inclusive food. After 6 weeks they tested them again.

To spoil it, both diets were very beneficial, with pretty similar improvements to brain, body and fitness across the board. One notable difference was that the vegan twins tended to lose muscle mass in addition to fat mass, which I’m guessing could be protein related.

What I didn’t expect from the show, was the interesting tangent stories that were told throughout. Chicken farmers growing mushrooms, Michelin star restaurants going vegan, neighbours of pig farms…

The series clearly has a barrow to push, being pro-vegan, however, nothing stated was false or unfair. I’m a meat guy, and I couldn’t really argue with any of it. It was hard to finish watching it and not feel a bit guilty for continuing to eat meat.

It’s been a few weeks since and while I’m still in no hurry to stop eating meat, I have been putting more thought into my choices. I couldn’t tell you the last time a piece of content stuck with me like that, and I’d recommend giving it a watch with an open mind.

 

[Liquid]

One notable difference was that the vegan twins tended to lose muscle mass in addition to fat mass, which I’m guessing could be protein related.

Something similar happened with Happy Humphrey, the heaviest wrestler of all time. From weighing 802lbs / 306kg / 58st, he was given a strictly controlled, supervised diet in a health centre:

Phase one was high protein such as eggs, skimmed milk, beef and margerine.
Phase two was high carbohydrates such as toast, corn and rice.
Phase three was high fat such as salt-free mayonnaise, butter, cream and creamed cheese.

Over the course of the programme, his weight dropped to 232lbs / 105kg / 16.5st with roughly an even amount per cycle. He wasn't allowed to exercise to avoid weight loss through sweating. On the high protein diet, his appetite was satiated for longer and the majority of the mass lost was body fat. On the high carbohydrates diet, the mass lost was 50/50 between body fat and muscle tissue. On the high fat diet, body fat was reduced but also an excessive amount of water with the predictable side effect of high cholesterol.

 

[Keef]

Something similar happened with Happy Humphrey, the heaviest wrestler of all time. From weighing 802lbs / 306kg / 58st, he was given a strictly controlled, supervised diet in a health centre:

Phase one was high protein such as eggs, skimmed milk, beef and margerine.
Phase two was high carbohydrates such as toast, corn and rice.
Phase three was high fat such as salt-free mayonnaise, butter, cream and creamed cheese.

Over the course of the programme, his weight dropped to 232lbs / 105kg / 16.5st with roughly an even amount per cycle. He wasn't allowed to exercise to avoid weight loss through sweating. On the high protein diet, his appetite was satiated for longer and the majority of the mass lost was body fat. On the high carbohydrates diet, the mass lost was 50/50 between body fat and muscle tissue. On the high fat diet, body fat was reduced but also an excessive amount of water with the predictable side effect of high cholesterol.

It's a good thing that guy wasn't lactose intolerant, holy cow.

 

[HenrySwanson]

 

[TexRex]

DeSantis backs legislation to ban lab-grown meat in Florida: 'You need meat'

Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Friday that he opposes the promulgation of lab-grown meat in Florida.

flvoicenews.com

Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Friday that he opposes the promulgation of lab-grown meat in Florida.

Discussing his opposition to implanting an environmental agenda on farmers, the governor noted that lawmakers are working through legislation to ban lab-grown meat production.

“You need meat. OK?” the governor said. “We’re gonna have meat in Florida.”

“We’re gonna have fake meat? That doesn’t work,” he said. “We’re gonna make sure to do it right.”



Rep. Tyler Sirois, R-Merritt Island, is the sponsor for HB 435. The legislation has so far passed one subcommittee in the House and has two more to go.

Sen. Clay Yarborough, R-Jacksonville, is the sponsor for SB 586. That bill has not been taken up by any of its committee assignments yet.

A bill by Sen. Jay Collins, R-Tampa, SB 1084, also would crack down on lab-grown meat, with other provisions included. It has passed one of its three committee assignments so far.

Rep. Danny Alvarez, R-Riverview, is the sponsor for the companion bill, HB 1071. That bill has passed one of its three committees.

Imagine being a conservative in Florida like @wfooshee and this is the bitch that represents you.

 

[UKMikey]

Sounds like he's found a new windmill to tilt at.

 

[Pupik]

DeSantis backs legislation to ban lab-grown meat in Florida: 'You need meat'

Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Friday that he opposes the promulgation of lab-grown meat in Florida.

flvoicenews.com

Hardee County is one of the least-populated places in the state and it's all agriculture there. Citrus and beef and maybe a few vegetables. Still, it's not as if meatless options are taking away market share; rather, it's increasing the umbrella's radius. But hey, he's talking to cattle, too. Never mind the free market...

Imagine being a conservative in Florida like @redacted and this is the bitch that represents you.

Please don't publicly antagonize other members who aren't actively part of this thread's discussion. It's bad form.

 

[TexRex]

Hardee County is one of the least-populated places in the state and it's all agriculture there. Citrus and beef and maybe a few vegetables. Still, it's not as if meatless options are taking away market share; rather, it's increasing the umbrella's radius. But hey, he's talking to cattle, too. Never mind the free market...

Definitely pandering to a certain type there.

What was bizarre to me was the walking right up to the edge of calling cultured meat "woke" without taking that last step. Cultured meat is pure capitalism--if even the sort of cynical capitalism that I tend to dislike, though not such that I want the state to intervene--finding a target consumer and tailoring a product specifically to them.

And free markets aren't really the focus of modern conservatism. They do tend to be the "[arbitrary] family values" and "[arbitrary] cultural heritage" type, but they're definitely steering toward postliberalism when it comes to economic governance.

Please don't publicly antagonize other members who aren't actively part of this thread's discussion. It's bad form.

Understood. I apologize.

 

[TexRex]

Made Impossible Sloppy Joes and this is the best use I've found so far. You can kind of tell something's a little off but there's so much going on in terms of flavor that it's really hard to tell it's not meat.

 

[TexRex]

DeSantis backs legislation to ban lab-grown meat in Florida: 'You need meat'

Gov. Ron DeSantis said at a press conference Friday that he opposes the promulgation of lab-grown meat in Florida.

flvoicenews.com

DeSantis signs bill banning lab-grown meat in Florida

While the governor framed the legislation as necessary to protect Floridians from "the global elite," he's the real authoritarian.

reason.com

On Wednesday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill banning the sale or production of lab-grown meat in the state. While a press release framed the bill as an attempt to advance Floridans' freedom by protecting them from the "World Economic Forum's goal of forcing the world to eat lab-grown meat and insects," all the legislation really does is stile competition for the state's meat producers.

"Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite's plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals," DeSantis said in a Wednesday press release. "Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef."

Cultivated, or "lab-grown," meat has been available in the United States on an extremely limited basis, generally limited to individual restaurants, since last year, after the Food and Drug Administration approved two different kinds of cultivated chicken for sale.

However, despite DeSantis' supposed fears about a lab-grown meat takeover, the small cultivated meat industry is struggling. The product isn't currently available anywhere in the United States, let alone in Florida.

Nonetheless, the governor signed Senate Bill 1084, which enacts a wide-ranging ban on cultivated meat, making it illegal "for any person to manufacture for sale, sell, hold or offer for sale, or distribute cultivated meat in" Florida. Violators of the law face misdemeanor penalties, and businesses caught selling the product could have their licenses suspended.

"We must protect our incredible farmers and the integrity of American agriculture," Florida Commissioner of Agriculture Wilton Simpson said in the press release. "Lab-grown meat is a disgraceful attempt to undermine our proud traditions and prosperity, and is in direct opposition to authentic agriculture."

However, it seems DeSantis is the real authoritarian in this situation. Instead of letting Floridians decide for themselves whether they want to try lab-grown meat, DeSantis is having the state step in, all in the name of protecting Floridians from an imaginary threat to their freedom.

Florida's lab-grown meat ban is a perfect marriage of protectionism and the culture war. By framing the tiny lab-grown meat industry as a left-wing threat, DeSantis can justify giving government kickbacks to the meat industry, all while protecting meat producers from a source of future competition. Wednesday's press release goes so far as to brag about a litany of recently passed legislation that "supports the state's agriculture and meat industry."

Unfortunately, Florida isn't the first state to ban cultivated meat. Alabama passed a ban on lab-grown meat last month, and legislation to ban the product is pending in Arizona and Tennessee. Italy banned it last year.

Modern American conservatism is mental illness.

 

[TexRex]

Here's the bitch with the documented history of insufficient blood flow to the brain standing in front of equipment which looks very similar but is instead used in the production of beer.

It's not actually about the equipment used. Like DeSantis in Florida, it's about protecting a major lobbying interest in Pennsylvania.