The Logitech Challenge in GT5 Prologue is well under way. Unfortunately, though, with thousands of dollars worth of prizes up for grabs, it has attracted the attention of cheaters with no regards for fair play or clean driving. The first week of competition ended on Tuesday, and GTPlanet’s own challengers are up in arms over the drivers who took the top positions by “wall riding” around the High Speed Ring circuit. “Wall riding” consists of nothing more than exploiting the game’s physics engine to carry unrealistic speed through a corner without losing momentum. The only skill involved is simply avoiding activation of the penalty system – a far cry from watching your braking points, turn in angles, and throttle modulation.
Rewarding blatant cheating sets a dangerous precedent for Sony with official Gran Turismo 5 challenges that are sure to follow in the months and years ahead. We do everything we can to promote clean racing here at GTPlanet, and our members have already started calling Sony and Logitech to make them aware of the cheaters who are spoiling what should be a fun and rewarding competition for honest Gran Turismo fans. Do your part by contacting the office in charge of the Logitech Challenge at the following address to let them know you will not tolerate cheating.
Logitech Americas Headquarters
6505 Kaiser Dr.
Fremont, CA 94555 USA
+1 510-795-8500
Monday – Friday, 8:00am – 5:00pm PST
With your help, we can turn these “wall riders” into “side liners”. Let’s hope for the best.
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Craig:
“You lost me at the ‘modern graphics’ part. The original trailers of Forza 2 looked fantastic and I was seriously thinking about switching over. Then as we got closer and closer to release date the graphics got worse and worse until finally it looked only slightly more detailed than GT-4 and more cartoonish in it’s rendering.
Also you have to keep in mind that this is not an issue of ‘if they could write the algorithm’. They are deliberately choosing to let some contact go. How many people here have tried this in real life and know for sure that you can’t really do this? I’ve watched enough touring car races where the driver shaves a wall or a barrier and they don’t exactly hit the handbrake, stop and get out! Point is that you can’t absolutely rule out that PD are modelling this correctly. And sure you wouldn’t do this in real life because you’d bugger up your paintwork but I be pretty certain that most professional racing drivers don’t give a rat’s ar*e about the condition of their paint if they trying to win.”
slightly more detailed than GT4? have you seen the gameplay of forza 2?
in total detail, it outstrips GT5, which has bland graphics, and horrific horizontal tearing with nasty lighting pop-in.
forza 2 on the other hand looks like this all the time: http://e3iuca.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pbpYYUGW25fGxT0w5VD6AvSuBRYpyE8_xwkL1cJbGIouyd23egcLnMl5zFlCGjJyWV5eXGYHpyb59QIUjZOhYCw/1490555491_6c0fd2c458_o.jpg
and the damage system is extremely good at preventing wall riding.
sure, sometimes you can get away with tapping the wall, but try wall riding like these cheaters did in GT5 while driving a real car.
even the wall scraping system in GT5 is messed up, as it allows for almost all of the momentum to carry through with no side-affects.
stop making these excuses for ythese cheaters. they were told to race cleanly, and didnt. and because of the terrible systems used by GT5, they were allowed to get away with it.
These stupid idiotic wall riders shall be banned and punished for the rest of ther skummy,cheating life.
“No /dev/null and the other dirtbags posting here like you. why not date rape the girl right? she is sleeping, she is drunk right? why not beat the child no one is around right? This is exactly the kind of people YOU are even though you deny it.”
lol @ comparing people who “cheat” in a videogame to rapists and child abusers, grow the hell up. It’s not even cheating anyway it’s just bad sportsmanship, way to carry on like a bunch of sooks over it though.
P.S I don’t wall-ride, I don’t even have GT5 P.
In COD you can in some maps find places where you can fall out-of-bounds. You can get stuck under the floor and shoot through it but other players can’t see you let alone shoot through the floor back at you.
It is possible to do in the game and people can choose to do this.
Never the less, you will be banned from any respectable server for doing this as it is cheating. Unlike martyrdom it is not something the player was designed to do. It unbalances the game and is unfair.
It is cheating. Just like wall riding.
Now if there was one car in GT5p that was faster than all the rest by design and players had to choose that car or they would never be able to keep up, then choosing that car, like martyrdom, wouldn’t be considered cheating because the advantage would be intentional on the part of the developers.
You lost me at the ‘modern graphics’ part. The original trailers of Forza 2 looked fantastic and I was seriously thinking about switching over. Then as we got closer and closer to release date the graphics got worse and worse until finally it looked only slightly more detailed than GT-4 and more cartoonish in it’s rendering.
Also you have to keep in mind that this is not an issue of ‘if they could write the algorithm’. They are deliberately choosing to let some contact go. How many people here have tried this in real life and know for sure that you can’t really do this? I’ve watched enough touring car races where the driver shaves a wall or a barrier and they don’t exactly hit the handbrake, stop and get out! Point is that you can’t absolutely rule out that PD are modelling this correctly. And sure you wouldn’t do this in real life because you’d bugger up your paintwork but I be pretty certain that most professional racing drivers don’t give a rat’s ar*e about the condition of their paint if they trying to win.
Hey, guess what….
There’s already a racing game that has damage modeling, realistic physics and modern graphics. It’s called Forza 2. Oh yea, there is no wall riding like GT3 through 5. You’d think with all those processor cores, they could get someone to write an algorithm for “if (rubbing against the wall){go::slower};” Pathetic..
In GT-Academy qualifiers there was no any problem them to delete all cheaters away, after someone found dirty-replay and send e-mail about it. I cant understand why that same method cant work in this competition too. GT-Academy was also running in many countries at same time, so there was very much more work to do, than in this competition.
I’ll skip right past the debate of whether this behaviour is cheating or not and get to another question: what are the tournament organizer supposed to do about it? If the game doesn’t have a built-in way of detecting the wall-riding and punish the offenders, what could they possibly to about it, short of having race marshals scrutinizing every moment of every race and manually banning offenders, like they would in real life races?
Seems to me that the only practical way of fixing the problem is fixing the game, and that doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon…
Doesn’t make the behaviour ok, but can anything really be done about it?
No /dev/null and the other dirtbags posting here like you. why not date rape the girl right? she is sleeping, she is drunk right? why not beat the child no one is around right? This is exactly the kind of people YOU are even though you deny it. just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do something.
The Rules were stated clearly this is no different then getting an account banned for exploiting an online game. You all understand the guidelines and intent of the game and when you intentionally violate it to win you are a SCUMBAG.
Its that simple and its the truth.
If it is allowed within the game’s shoddy physics engine, then why not take advantage of it, especially if thousands of dollars in prizes are up for grabs? It’s funny that they blame the people riding along the side of the walls instead of sony for not making a solid engine in the first place, way to point the finger in the absolute wrong direction.
The title to this Article is incorrect. It should read: “GT5 Prologue ruins GT5 Prologue competition.” Why does the ultimate driving simulator lack adequate collision physics? Also dude, sounds like somebody knows way too much about cheating in baseball.
Ban, blacklist, never allow to enter another prize winning competition anywhere. Go cheat against your grandmother at Wii-fit.
Nomino and Dreamer obviously live in fairytale land…
let’s put it this way….could you ever drive like that in real life? No.
So dont do it in game just because the game doesnt have the capabilities to manage an under developed area… you cheap bastards…
Fair play?
Cheating?
Cheater?
They gave us a level playing field.
I have had the game for 3 1/2 months–some people have know about this problem for some time now–there are posts on this board about this very fact.
Better to bring it up late than never?
From what I have read this “wall riding” has been known problem–Maybe Eiger will be different? Yeah right.
I would feel bad for the person that wins at Eiger if they have any contact. (Then this post, well, it would never end)
In a previous post I stated that controversy in sports and gaming have been around a long time, and with that controversy come rule changes.
I do hope the rules get changed but I was not going to walk off the field because the pitcher was caught sandpapering the ball. I did the best I could based on the rules that were in place.
The two names in life that have always bothered me is being call stupid, or a quitter. I am not a quitter, and in the exampel of a pitcher sandpapering a ball, I would not expect a Major League Baseball team to walk off the field if they found an embry board in opposing pitchers back pocket. They would not want to be called quitters.
I might have to add the word cheater now to my “names that bother me list”. No posts here have singled me out personally, but they all seem pointed in my direction. I did not make the game or the rules.
So please, for me and the rest of the people who finished up top, stop with the word “cheater”.
I’ll run Eiger, as of an hour or so before this post I was 6th with a “clean lap”. I don’t know this track well, but I will give it a shot.
From all of this will come change, as in any sport or game. But keep in mind this is a game, and speaking for myself, it is not my full time job. I play to have fun.
Almost forgot, I in no way mean to offend any person, I am just voicing my opinions.
Hmm… nothing against Americans, but that’s how most of them race to be honest.
I’ve been doing online races for quite some time, and if i see a few Americans in the list, i’ll rather quit, they are always looking for ways to push you off the road instead of passing cleanly. In other words, they cheat their way to victory.
If any of you guys have a chance to race with purely japanese drivers… you’ll see none of this will happen.
But hey, some of you GTP guys are just amazing on the time attacks.
Clean driving is a requirement for the WRS racing within GT Planet. Those are our rules and I’ll happily abide by them, as (1) they have been clearly stated (2) everyone has to play by the same rules.
Imagine another group of GT5p racers who race under the rules that all wheels must be on the track at all times (as opposed to our rule which says at least two must be on the track). If they took part in this race, would they be calling us all cheaters because we can get faster times by putting two wheels off the track. Our response would likely be “there is nothing in the rules that says we can’t put two wheels off the track”
Well guess what, there’s nothing in the rules that says you can’t wall ride. And I don’t think you’re going to convince anyone that somehow this is subverting the system like a software or hardware hack might. Think about it, if PD wanted to invalidate a lap because of ANY contact with the wall it would be trivial for them to do it, and they haven’t (obviously the game registers the contact or it wouldn’t provide any benefit). People who do this are playing within the rules, using an unmodified version of the PS3 and GT5p. Sure, they’re not playing to OUR rules but it’s not OUR contest.
And for reference I’m not a wall rider, I race clean, but that’s my choice.
The thing is not “if it’s in the game you can do it”… The bases of this conversation is about fair play, respect. I understand that cheaters doesn’t know this words. In gaming world there’s people who like to challenge themselves and other who only want to win at any cost…
Choose your side gentlemen :-)
Hi, I arrived third at the GTbyCitroen competition that took place at the C_42 in Paris (champs élysées). Most competitors wall surfed. When we arrive at the event and during qualifications we were told that we had to race clean and to have a valid laptime to get to the finals. Even with that, people who wall surfed were able to get to the final phase… Thanos (the guy who arrived first), roms and me were having valid laptime (around 58 seconds if I remember) and even with that, we were faster than wall-riders.
WRC drivers : Daniel Elena, Dani Sordo, Marc Marti and Sebatien Loeb all wall-surfed. So to get a chance to do a laptime at least, as good as their, we have to wall surf in the end. All three, beat the best laptime of sebatien loeb (which was the best time of all wrc drivers).
All those cheaters who dont accept being called a cheater suffer from much more than our dissapointment of being cheated… It’s just like good manners taught by your parents NOT to cheat. It’s like cheating on your girl – as long as it works it’s fine! Life gives you the opportunity, how can it be wrong?
You definetily run out of arguments; in fact you only have one!!! I don’t even understand looking for a spot to cheat, to beat the game and not my opponents. My satisfaction comes from a great lap time, a fast turn ending up VERY close to the wall without touching it or from a long lasting duel with another opponent. But if I cheat I rob myself all this fun and experience in racing. When I was child I used every opportunity for cheating (good old Commodore 64) but I soon realized that it was reducing my fun to a very low level.
So if you cheat you gain a medal but you loose plenty of fun! If you play honest and dont care about cheaters you’ll definitely will enjoy the game or any other more than the cheaters. I dont care about loosing, I care about my own performance – thats satisfaction coming from the game. And cheaters never cared about their own performance because of a lack of talent or patience. They simply wanna win and show the world they’re a winner…
In the end a cheater has nothing but the knowledge, that everything he achieved was done because of cheating. I feel pity for all you cheaters… ;-)
Hmmm I thought this was supposed to be a Sim…. shouldn’t wall riding slow them down?
@ Nomino
Its not fair to say that we lost sir. Thousands of clean laps lost because of cheating. Its not legal, since if you do hit the wall hard enough it is a penalty. Working around the penalty system is cheating.
If you really believe cheating to get ahead is a good and a moral practice, you have a long and hard road ahead of you.
I cant believe how many are saying like Nomino and Dreamer!!! Wake up dudes… if you say like that, it also means you agree it’s just ok to ram and brakecheck people in online-racing?! If it’s in the game, then it’s fair. Morons.
Guys, you lost, so deal with it. Crying over how they achieved it is pathetic. It’s a legal part of the game at the moment, so anything goes.
Look Fuji for example, there’s two exploits on the track, impossible to have a clean race. People really get satisfied winning a race cheating? I don’t understand… Sorry for my english ;-)
– If its in the game then its fair;
if they think it’s cheating then they should have game tested it properly and removed it. Everyone who plays the game is technically free to play the game how they want.
Next time fix your game instead of blaming the people who find the glitches
AND this is the reason why GT needs damage modeling.
You choose martyrdom as an option to get a kill in Cod4, but choosing to wall ride to keep momentum is not part of the game.
Hmm when I saw the title in my RSS reader, I thought of the show “Cheaters” and wondered why the heck they would want to ruin a GT5P contest.
Anyway, now that that confusion is cleared up, I really hope the bad guys get taken out. I don’t know much about the technicalities of GT5P, but hopefully they can find some way to monitor a player’s progress to see if he was “wall riding” and penalize accordingly. The things people will do for money.
You can chose to wall ride. Martyrdom is just as weird; Who the hell would be able to pull the pin from a grenade at the exact moment in time they died? even when they had already used up all of their grenades?
@ Allan Davidson
Wall riding is not part of the game, while martydom is part of COD4. You get the option to choose martyrdom. Wall riding is an exploit because you shouldn’t be able to go that fast when you hit a wall. It sucks that Sony hasn’t fixed this.
‘breaking points’? Not unless it’s a demolition derby. I think you’ll find it’s ‘braking points’.
Some idiots just can’t admit that they are not as good as someone else and so they cheat.
In these peoples minds, the only way the other person beat them is to have cheated. You can’t blame them though as you only have to watch how bad shows like ‘Pop Idol’ auditions are and how the spoilt brat has been told otherwise by peers to see what is up.
It is as much a part of this game as stealing from old ladies is a part of life
and both attract the same kind of losers!
No matter how many hours you have put into this game, there is someone else who has put in more or is simply more adept at the fine controls and more importantly, cool head needed to get to the top of the leaderboard… The non-cheaters feel rewarded for their efforts, the cheaters feel empty and angry. ha ha. Sucks to be them :)
This is no different than Martyrdom in COD4.
It’s part of the game.
It’s awfull, but it’s part of the game.
If the game had proper colission physics, it would never be possible. Howgh.
Wow, Edelric that is a really grownup commentary. RESPECT…
If you find the irony and sarcasm in this statement you can keep it.
haha you guys lost! LOSERS!