Did a plane crash into the Pentagon?

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Darin
Oh god.... :indiff:
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Oh God...what? He's blowing his lid over absolutely nothing. This is an internet forum. It is full of people you don't know and most likely will never know (with a few exceptions; like people living close to each other. I also know that Der Alta has met neon_duke). If he is getting pissed off about people (which consists of, for the most part, people under the age of 20) being immature on an internet forum about a video game, I think he needs to take some time off and get things straight.
 
Integra Type R
Oh God...what? He's blowing his lid over absolutely nothing. This is an internet forum. It is full of people you don't know and most likely will never know (with a few exceptions; like people living close to each other. I also know that Der Alta has met neon_duke). If he is getting pissed off about people (which consists of, for the most part, people under the age of 20) being immature on an internet forum about a video game, I think he needs to take some time off and get things straight.
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Actually.. You've hit it on the nail directly.
 
Darin
Actually.. You've hit it on the nail directly.
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I dont see how. Yeah, he might need to cool down, but how hard is it to ask people to act mature? There are a lot of cool people here, but man the dumbass population is nuts as well.
 
No, it's the people under 14 population. And this includes people under 16 who act like they're 13, like Integra Type R and Darin. I can't take it any longer either.
 
Hey, while we're at it, let's pretend Kennedy was never assassinated, the internal combustion engine has never existed, and the contestants on Survivor have to actually catch their own food!

:rolleyes:

I haven't watched the Flash video, because I can't afford to wait twenty years for my dialup connection to load it, but I'll say this: There's absolutely no way, at all, that we can be "deceived" for so long about something so gigantic in scope. The media would never, ever let something like that pass by them. If a plane crashes into a building, people are going to (fling)ing notice it.
 
M5Power
No, it's the people under 14 population. And this includes people under 16 who act like they're 13, like Integra Type R and Darin. I can't take it any longer either.
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Welcome to a public forum.

Incase you haven't noticed and wondered how in the hell we got here in the first place.
 
Sage

The flash video had quotes of people saying they saw a missle or a small computer jet car carrying 6 to 12 people.

Please don't flame me.:nervous:
 
M5Power
No, it's the people under 14 population. And this includes people under 16 who act like they're 13, like Integra Type R and Darin. I can't take it any longer either.
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I am 16. Not under. And how exactly am I acting like I am 13 Mr. High and Mighty?
 
Integra Type R
I am 16. Not under. And how exactly am I acting like I am 13 Mr. High and Mighty?
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"Mr. High and Mighty", no offence but I think you just answered your own question.
 
He's making a false statement about my age and how I act making it seem like he is better than me. How have I answered my own question? If he going to try to make fun of me, or degrade me, he could atleast put some effort into it and get my age right.
 
Integra Type R
He's making a false statement about my age and how I act making it seem like he is better than me. How have I answered my own question? If he going to try to make fun of me, or degrade me, he could atleast put some effort into it and get my age right.
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Like no ****, what kind of loser trys to degrade you and then on top of all that cant even get your age right.
 
Integra Type R
:rolleyes: When his point was age, you would think he would want to get his point right.
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I'm not really thinking much right now honestly, but I'm off to bed, you should do the same, maybe get away from the comp for a while
 
ShobThaBob
I think one thing you have to realize is that a lot of the people that post here are underage, just starting highschool, or are in middleschool. Going from that, they're probably going to act that way, and jump on any chance to be stupid. There are also many immature members here that we all have to deal with, and that's just how some people are. The fact that it's the internet doesn't help matters more considering people feel like they can act any way they want to simply because they can hide behind a computer screen.
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Yep, you're right. Most members here are young and at a point in their lives where they are really starting to find things out in life. That is why I support Alex 100%. If he were to say nothing and let things slide, then he would be doing a great disservice to both the offenders and the rest of the GTP community. If Darin and ITR were behaving poorly, then they need to be told so, and if they are not told, then they will be on a much longer road to maturity.
Unfortunately right now, they have not matured enough yet to realize that Alex is trying to help, even if he is displaying some frustration. But with Alex saying something, it may steer them in the right direction and may speed their process in becoming adults. This not only holds true for Darin and ITR, but for everyone.
I have no malice for Darin or ITR, but I do have a wish for them to become positive and contributing members of this online community, but especially in thier own personal lives.
Hopefully those here can learn from this in a positive way, and learn it in a safe environment that the real world doesn't always provide. Learning how to be a decent citizen and/or professional can be a very difficult task, and sometimes painful, the later on in life you go.

So with that said, let's all get back on topic.

I for one think this "theory" :rolleyes:, is so outlandish that I can't really understand how anyone would believe it.
I've seen the Pentagon after 9/11 with my own eyes. I lived in the area when this all happened.
Pictures fail to do the damage justice. You first need to understand that the Pentagon building is an extremely HUGE building. That is why the damage looks insignifigant. But when you look upon it with your own eyes, that is when you realize that the damage was anything but insignifigant. There is absolutely no way a missile could have created that kind of damage. Just something else to throw out there along with the very valid points that Der Alta has already made.
I think it's a shame that so many can be swayed by some stupid flash movie that provides no concrete evidence what so ever. 👎
 
boombexus
Yep, you're right. Most members here are young and at a point in their lives where they are really starting to find things out in life. That is why I support Alex 100%. If he were to say nothing and let things slide, then he would be doing a great disservice to both the offenders and the rest of the GTP community. If Darin and ITR were behaving poorly, then they need to be told so, and if they are not told, then they will be on a much longer road to maturity.
Unfortunately right now, they have not matured enough yet to realize that Alex is trying to help, even if he is displaying some frustration. But with Alex saying something, it may steer them in the right direction and may speed their process in becoming adults. This not only holds true for Darin and ITR, but for everyone.
I have no malice for Darin or ITR, but I do have a wish for them to become positive and contributing members of this online community, but especially in thier own personal lives.
Hopefully those here can learn from this in a positive way, and learn it in a safe environment that the real world doesn't always provide. Learning how to be a decent citizen and/or professional can be a very difficult task, and sometimes painful, the later on in life you go.

So with that said, let's all get back on topic.
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Fair enough. 👍
 
Right. This has gone off-track too much now.

Can we stick to the "evidence" presented, review it critically, evaluate it and let everyone know just WHY it's complete and total crap? We don't need the in-fighting, back-biting and related gubbins.

It may be tough for some people - especially the Americans and anyone else directly involved in the events - but can we try and remove ourselves from the outcome and subsequent happenings for a minute? That way we can stay objective. Sort of.

boombexus
Pictures fail to do the damage justice. You first need to understand that the Pentagon building is an extremely HUGE building. That is why the damage looks insignifigant. But when you look upon it with your own eyes, that is when you realize that the damage was anything but insignifigant.
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Yes - the Pentagon has the largest floor space (as in the area it covers, the central bit not included) of any office building in the world. In fact, it's only not the largest building in the world by way of floor-space thanks to a couple of aircraft hangars. It's not like someone dropped a house - they took out one tenth of the frontage of, I say again, the largest office building by area in the world.

With that in mind, this is what happened when the fuselage of a Pan Am 747 hit the ground after being blown up over the Scottish village of Lockerbie:

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And this is what happened when someone flew a 757 into the Pentagon.

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Next up on the list, we have a comparison of the sizes of a tomahawk cruise missile to a Boeing 757.

Tomahawk:
Length: 18 ft 3 in (5.560 m).
With booster: 20 ft. 6 in (6.250 m)
Diameter: 20.4 in (51.81 cm)
Wing Span: 8 ft 9 in (2.670 m)

Boeing 757:
Length: 178 ft 7 in (58.5 m).
Diameter: 12ft 4 in (3.7 cm)
Wing Span: 124ft 7 in (38.5 m)

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Don't know about you, but if I was an eyewitness, I'd certainly get the two mixed up.


Checking into it, there's some awesome stupidity - and spurious conclusions - floating around the internet about this incident. One site in particular seems to be saying that Flight 77 overflew the Pentagon, was masked by high explosives detonating inside and then vanished, but fails to answer why, to where and how come some eyewitnesses say it was a missile, but more say it was an aeroplane (with some saying it just "vanished" in front of their eyes). Half of the corroborative photographs it uses actually argue directly against the conclusions they've made... Plus, they post this image - which accidentally proves it was an object roughly 175 feet wide (by way of "clipped" lamp-posts on the flightpath):

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If you fancy reading some great ass-wipe, it's here


Live4speed - No, it wasn't an F4-E, it wasn't moving at 650mph and it didn't hit a reinforced nuclear bunker. But the F4-E was empty and driven on a rocket sled. The 757-200 was loaded with aviation fuel, is about 70 tonnes heavier and hit a much, much heavier building, at ground level (the Earth is rather heavy too). They both hit nose-first though - with no attempt to save the plane, unlike most plane crashes. The laws of conservation of energy say that the energy has to go somewhere, and I'd say that the F4-E footage would be a close analogue.
 
I watched a documentary the other day called 911 Inplanesite, I take it this is the reason for ressurecting these threads?
Anyway that video made me think also :ill: from the Pentagon footage and the question about how you get a 747 or 757 into a 16 foot wide hole before the collapse of the roof to the footage of both towers smoking away and then the mushroom cloud rising from the floor levelthat was supposedly shown 1 time on tv on the day and never again after that until now, I also am a bit amazed that this footage was not released sooner?

Going by that video I'd have to say that something is being hidden! Not sure what or by whom?


I'm not posting this to keep a mass debate going or cause any ****... just saying I saw that documentary and i saw it differently 3 years ago compared to how I saw it 2 days ago,
Laters guys
 
Why would anyone be bringing up this dumb crap now ? And yes it takes a complete moron or a person with an agenda to come up with the " conspiracy crap" on these web sites. My point having lived through this already and having known people who have died in both attacks is , WHATS THE POINT ? What are you trying to prove or suggest , and why are you doing it ? I can accept the fact that we have some brain dead members, but why let it continue?
 
Integra Type R
I am 16. Not under. And how exactly am I acting like I am 13 Mr. High and Mighty?
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Okay. Here are some of your more stellar recent contributions, by date:

Integra Type R
8-20-04: :lol:
8-19-04: Go away.
8-19-04: It looks alright.
8-18-04: Duh? :dunce:
8-15-04:
:lol:

👍
8-14-04: :lol: That was great.
8-14-04: You really are an idiot aren't you?
8-14-04: Whatever. :lol:
8-14-04: GOtcha. 👍
8-14-04: :drool:
8-14-04: Awesome! :drool:
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And I only looked at six days of posts.

Darin
I second that.
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You've got to be kidding. It's difficult to go through your posts and not laugh. And I won't even mention the four name changes. Here are some of your more stellar contributions from the last three weeks:

Darin
9-5-04: Its not my fault my grammar isn't perfect. *walks away slowly*
9-5-04: *sigh*
9-5-04:
Well... Uh... Its cause i'm southern.

Pay me. :lol:
9-5-04: Oh ****. I think this game will kick ass and my stand againest GT4.
9-5-04: I don't think i'm black... Nor am I a women.
9-5-04: Cosmic hates me, don't he? *runs off crying*
9-5-04:
^ His remote died when he first put in the batterys.

[ UNABLE TO CONTROL WOMAN ]

Haha. j/k I hope I am atleast.
9-5-04: Don't make me use the special multiplying tool from hell. :lol:
9-4-04:
^not 1337

< Is 1337
9-4-04: 👍
9-4-04:
*throws car into water* *starts swimming* "oh hell yeah, this is sweet." *starts going up in to the air* "WTF!?"
9-4-04: ^R0xoRz my BoX0rZ
9-4-04: Yeah. :indiff:
9-4-04:
There is rumors flying around about him running in 2008. But You know rumors, they could be true, and they could be false information.
9-4-04: ^ w3rd
9-4-04: Make that yellow, white damnit! :lol:
9-4-04:
:lol:

Shhhh... I'm hunt'n for wabbits.
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I had to stop there because I couldn't force myself to continue. THESE ARE FROM THE LAST TWO DAYS.

Welcome to a public forum? Thanks. Let's let the 13-year-olds over-run this place and drive out any semblance of intelligence we've ever had here. You already dropped vat_man, and Giles frequently finds better things to do with his time than babysit all of you. It's a wonder Famine's still here, though we thank him dearly for combating the collective stupidity. For those of us who make meaningful posts, it gets harder and harder to come back every time we see a post like the ones above. Not that you guys would never know the value of an intelligent member like Giles, milefile, Famine, Sage, Der Alta, neon_duke, etc. because you're typically too busy spamming the Test Forum or making one-word posts in the Comedy Corner to ever notice these guys' contribution. It's not even a question of the public forum - how do you act in real life?
 
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Sage

The flash video had quotes of people saying they saw a missle or a small computer jet car carrying 6 to 12 people.

Please don't flame me.:nervous:
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Well which is it, a missle of a small airplane? Hopefully someone can distinguish between the two rather easily...

The simple fact that these "eyewitnesses" can't even agree on what they saw is proof that they're clueless.

The hole is only the size of the fuselage. The wings damage can clearly be seen on the first floor facade, but the BRITTLE wings would most definatly have been destroyed and NOT gone through the building. The wreckage of the wing is literally sitting in front of the building, and was burned away from the fuel inside of it very quickly.

Please notice that images of the WTC show mostly damage from the fuselage, not as much damage from the area of the wings.
 
Or perhaps they were all hypnotised, or under the influence of LSD, or some noxious, mind-altering gas, or the Men In Black "flashy-thing"ed them? Eh? EH?

Eyewitnesses suck. Eyewitness testimony is almost the worst form of evidence that exists, simply because we're really easy to fool.
 
Easy to fool, and also clueless about the subject they're discussing. All they know is that something rather big and rather fast flew low over them and then hit the Pentagon and made a very large boom. Unless one of them is a military officer or aircraft expert, their opinion is rather moot.
 
You need to watch Men In Black 1 again...
 
I protested the closing of this thread based on some concept of free speech, and to give sensible members with the time or inclination an opportunity to punch the idea full of holes. Three pages later all that's happened are good reasons to close it.
 
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