GT4 WRS Week 54 Official Results

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goixoye
Do you not have any integrity?
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Balls (Neil?),

That was way over the top and I'm sorry. Just because we interpret things a bit differently doesn't mean I should be vicious. I suppose when you indicated maybe there was some other reason for my "passionate" rant on somebody elses "intent" or "spirit" of the rules I felt a little attacked and got a bit defensive/offensive.

So again, I'm sorry, and I also extend my apology to holl01 as well.

I agreed to drop this and hope this isn't considered continued discussion on a closed subject.

Ronny

Some "new" business:

This does lead me into some knowledge of why my times are slow. I typically try to keep the tires on the track (all 4). But it seems that part of the better drivers' strategy is to "straighten" out the track as much as possible which includes 2 wheels off? >> which is well within the guidelines -- I'm not trying to fuss about stuff here just trying to understand how D1 and D2 drivers can be so much better than me. Typically for me 2 wheels off is usually by accident and not part of my "strategy". I guess, for whatever reason, I try to keep the whole car "in-bounds" when there are "legally" quicker ways to circle the track. I guess I'm just not smart enough to think just a little bit "outside-the-box".

This week was my 1st week back after a couple of months off and my skills were rusty which explains some time difference. I did use TCS/ASM because I didn't have the time to polish my skills...so that explains some more of the difference. And you guys utilize all the track...some more of the difference. And finally you're just plain better drivers. My abilities currently won't allow me to race on that "edge" (between victory and "restart") that you guys are able to find.

Altough this week, at the chicane, I expect all 4 tires were outside the rumble stips as they were at the inside of the Mulsanne corner. This car seemed especially squirrelly (even with TCS/ASM) so it seemed imperative to keep the tires in contact with the hard surface.
 
goixoye
Balls (Neil?),

That was way over the top and I'm sorry. Just because we interpret things a bit differently doesn't mean I should be vicious. I suppose when you indicated maybe there was some other reason for my "passionate" rant on somebody elses "intent" or "spirit" of the rules I felt a little attacked and got a bit defensive/offensive.

So again, I'm sorry, and I also extend my apology to holl01 as well.

I agreed to drop this and hope this isn't considered continued discussion on a closed subject.

Ronny

Some "new" business:

This does lead me into some knowledge of why my times are slow. I typically try to keep the tires on the track (all 4). But it seems that part of the better drivers' strategy is to "straighten" out the track as much as possible which includes 2 wheels off? >> which is well within the guidelines -- I'm not trying to fuss about stuff here just trying to understand how D1 and D2 drivers can be so much better than me. Typically for me 2 wheels off is usually by accident and not part of my "strategy". I guess, for whatever reason, I try to keep the whole car "in-bounds" when there are "legally" quicker ways to circle the track. I guess I'm just not smart enough to think just a little bit "outside-the-box".

This week was my 1st week back after a couple of months off and my skills were rusty which explains some time difference. I did use TCS/ASM because I didn't have the time to polish my skills...so that explains some more of the difference. And you guys utilize all the track...some more of the difference. And finally you're just plain better drivers. My abilities currently won't allow me to race on that "edge" (between victory and "restart") that you guys are able to find.

Altough this week, at the chicane, I expect all 4 tires were outside the rumble stips as they were at the inside of the Mulsanne corner. This car seemed especially squirrelly (even with TCS/ASM) so it seemed imperative to keep the tires in contact with the hard surface.
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Don't worry about it mate,

On the new business front..........
It's taken me personally a full year to get to where I am, skills wise. When I started, I, like you kept 4 wheels on-track all the time and couldn't seem to find the speed that the D2 and D1 drivers did.
I got very frustrated, but slowly, with obviously months of practice and pushing/training, it has started to come together.
The best thing I did was to get into downloading some of the faster guy's replays once the week's done, and in my spare time follow their ghosts. Picking up the braking points and most importantly their lines through some of the more difficult corners.

It works, try it.

Neil
 
Once (or if) I knock the rust off I would improve maybe 1 or 2s per lap but probably no more than that in an event like this. Your advice would improve my time even beyond that. But quite honestly I don't want it bad enough. This week's event, while I enjoyed it, reminded me why I took a break...obsession. When I participate I also spend at least as much time posting as I do racing so it begins to consume my time beyond what it should.

I love the game but need to remember it is a game and unfortunately have to keep reminding myself it's a game. I guess the fast cars and the adreline are my "additive drug" which I struggle to control.

I suppose that's why I also propose/support limited attempts at events. To keep things from rising to the level of obsession. To me it seems completely ridiculous to spend hours trying to shave less than a second off times...but I was doing it, fool that I am.
 
Probably last to post replay. Labelled in game. Don't stress.
 

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Just checked the last PAL replay:

Casio - 25'43.401

Lap 1, Before T1: 5 infractions before T1 would have caused me to restart. First was the cross-sand excursion:



You then struck the Nissan twice while overtaking him then the Toyota twice while overtaking him. I suggest in future we have a zero relaxation of the rules regardless of race. Defining who's race is clean and who's is dirty is a tough task this week. I'm not sure what you want to do Cyril???
 
To my defence, upon review,I don't believe I gained any time in any of these cases. I tapped the back of the Nissan, causing me to lose time, and then he tapped the back of me. The Toyota turned in on me, twice.
 
MisterWeary
Just checked the last PAL replay:

Casio - 25'43.401

Lap 1, Before T1: 5 infractions before T1 would have caused me to restart. First was the cross-sand excursion:



You then struck the Nissan twice while overtaking him then the Toyota twice while overtaking him. I suggest in future we have a zero relaxation of the rules regardless of race. Defining who's race is clean and who's is dirty is a tough task this week. I'm not sure what you want to do Cyril???
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Damn!
Maybe Brad's training for the Australian special forces?

Don't they teach you to double-tap a bad guy to take them down?:lol:

I'll watch the replay in a mo, and give my opinion. For what it's worth!

Neil
 
Ta!👍

About Casio's replay,

The off into the sand, IMO, didn't gain Casio any time at all. Infact it cost him speed, so I would say that was just an off.

The first tap on the 390 was a by-product of the off (no steering) so forgivable. Plus there was no impact noise, so it was a minor tap/rub.
The second, was again 'noiseless' so minor, but maybe could have been avoided. But the rules stated noiseless contact is ok, as long as it's not a forced pass situation. So again I would be hesitant to call it 'bad'

The Toyota 7 impacts were the reverse situation, first could have been avoided (but still minor), and the second was the Toyota taking a swipe at Casio's car, which was not really Casio's fault (again there is no impact noise)
So again I would be hesitant to call it 'bad'

However, I would have re-started to race, and did numerous times, for almost the same amount's of contact.

In conclusion, I would have re-started the race, but also I can't call it dirty either, because it is within the rules (for this race).

Basically I would give ALL of the races with minor off's and minor(noiseless) contact that doesn't give a forced pit, a yellow flag (including my own, of course). The few that are completely clean a green flag, and the couple that MrW has already I.D.'d as with 'noisy'/heavy contact a red.

Neil
 
Yeah whenever u touch the ai more than once u have lost time, and if u put one tire in a centimetre of sand, u will instantly loose staggering amounts of speed
 
The reason why the rules were relaxed this week, was to have this race fitting into the weekly format. It'd have been awful to run a 25-minutes race with the regular rules of no contact and 2 wheels off-track.
So I wanted to allow anything that would :
1. not have been done on purpose
2. have been possible in a RL race

Yet, it is clearly too different from what we usually race, and I'm not sure we will do that kind of race very often. I'll take a look at the replays (haven't had time this week-end due to the relatives visiting), but unless some replays are really unrealistic, I think there won't be any flag this week. Neither green nor red.
 
wow, the thread is still open... and most replays were not checked... are they still going to be validated?
 
In the interest of trying to clean up all these results here is a summary of this threads replays and checking requirements:

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TIME          NAME                REPLAY  VERSION  CHECKED CLEAN
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25'22.134     fasj6418            YES     NTSC     YES     YES
25'23.149     holl01              YES     PAL      YES     YES
25'41.689     shockwaveracing     YES     PAL      YES     YES
25'43.401     Casio               YES     PAL      YES     YES
25'49.092     MisterWeary         YES     PAL      NO      N/A
26'08.525     zdenko              YES     PAL      YES     YES
25'41.652     Dr_Watson           YES     NTSC     YES     YES
25'50.679     Ballstothewall      YES     PAL      YES     YES
25'58.959     Laurence5905        NO      N/A      N/A     N/A
26'07.662     SuperT              NO      N/A      N/A     N/A
26'10.455     goixoye             NO      N/A      N/A     N/A

The question marks at the end of the checked replays was because they all had some dirty components so it's up to Cyril on whether they're clean.

I have also attached the remaining replays to be checked except for Dr_Watson's, it was too big so here is the link to his replay:

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[EDIT] All replays verified and finished 👍 [/EDIT]​


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MisterWeary's replay is clean 👍 after i checked the weeks thread to make sure that all concrete areas were indeed allowed. Otherwise its horendously dirty, lol.
 
Uhhh... I didn't do this race, that's why I didn't know why you guys felt sorry for the guy who had to check these... Just uploaded them to my mem. card, and I see three freaking 25min long replays... YIKES! Uhm, I guess I have time... ****e. Back in an hour(not really)! *sigh*
 
I'm inclined to give fasj his '21.312 race even... Sure, there could've been a tiny touch with the stupid AI, but I'm not 100% sure(watched in double time), but either way, if there was contact, the way the cars were going and what not, I doubt that either car would've even lost any paint...

For what bit of Dr.W's replay I caught with my eyes still open, it's clean.

I'm not going to check Fasj's other replay, I trust him, especially if that other race is "dirty". Doesn't matter either way, if he had more time I can see him chopping more time off relatively easily, if he was consistent enough. There was more than one mistake in there that cost him over a second each...
 
Nice work Kyle 👍

This thread is finished 👍 I updated my post here with the summary of results and laps
 
I moved Dr_Watson from div2 to div1 and rearranged the gold/silver colors.
As I said in one post, no flag this week.
It was our first 26 minutes race, and I don't want to re-open the arguments that were going on in May.

Div2 winning goes to Ballstothewall. 👍
 
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