Kazunori: Gran Turismo 5 out during 2007

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Sonzilla
Have you heard of BorgWarner's new variable turbo geometry (VTG), which uses guide vanes located in front of the turbine wheel that modulates inflow angle and speed. Although the exact implementation of the variable geometry turbo is new, a similar approach was used by Garrett Systems starting in 1989 with the Shelby CSX. The 997 produces Zero lag when equipped with the Tiptronic S transmission. With the manual it's still at a minimal.

Another design is electronic "Steady-State Torque-Speed Curve" Electronically assisted turbocharger systems, electrically driven compressors, significantly improve the boosting effect. This allows the torque to be increased while at the same time permitting further engine downsizing.
This is something the New GTR is rumored to be in for the new upcoming BNC36 GTR. Zero lag turbos are now being used and invested for new sports car companies as a new benchmark in performance engineering. Superchargers will be replaced in a future near you.👍
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well it may be plausable...this new tech may be an advance step in urbo tech but still even tho electronically drivin the turbo is also exhaust n vaccum drivin...so whether or not its electronic advantage is there...the fact still remains that there is no turbo drivin power untill vaccum reaches sufficient pressure...in other words...turbo's whether eloctronic or not...are useless in the lower rev limits..the car must be reliable on its internal power to exceed the limits of low RMP n low torque...which in instance of track racing still amounts to the same low RPM status of previous discussion..there may however be a rise in top end power n speed but the loxer RPM is where the power needs to be...as now u may understand why i aint particularly interested in turbo's so to speak...lol
 
superchargers will never be replaced...the fact remains...if a turbocharger were able to produce sufficient power from 100RPM n only 100 it would be classed as a supercharger...turbo's will always be turbo's....the will always run on the same basic principles of turbo's...if somethin hybrid should forecometh...then it will named somethin other than a turbo or a s/charger...

turbo's will never n i repeat never....outdo a supercharger...never...thats why they are caledd SUPERchargers...they outrank anyother source of power amplifiers...NOS cant even outdo a supercharger...u wanna know why?...because most defined superchargers have internal cooling systems...and will only cease to work when ewither the belt breaks or the engine wears out n stops runnin...NOS is a limited supply...and only lasts so long...turbo's are limited to the RPM that motorcar is runnin....listen i build cars...i have a car that would slaughter any buzz box u could find.....turbo's will never be anywhere near as useful as a supercharger...lets say this ok...

if u where to have a 98 supra...twin turbo..6 speed box of course..
and i...i have a 1968 shelby mustang GT350R...ok lets say all i do is mount twin s/charger kit...and also a 6 speed supra box n diff...who u think would tak the cake??...me...without pause...not only because im using a supercharger kit...its because a mere 6 cylinder doesnt produce the torque...the 8's even back in 1938...my last prject was a 1938 buick...straight 8...ok lets look at all the variables....it weighs 2 n 1/2 tonne...it produces 190bhp...

peice of **** right?...wrong...

its torque ratio was around 450:2 thats more than 5 supra's WITH turbo's....not only that an engione of that capacity of torque can support a suparcharger as big as a weiand 1460...drop that sucker on there n put her on the dyno...i wanna watch ur chin hit the floor...lol...superchargers are the extreme in performance...i build cars..i know what is good n what is better...
 
ok heres a few cars that i have worked on or am currently in the process of building

this is dads car i finished it in 2004...69 charger 440 hemi
V8...p.s...this one dont got a supercharger at all lol...
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3525/dadscar2vh6.jpg

some of y'all might know who gary myers is...some may not...anyhow this is his mustang coupe in which we finished working on in 2003 he done some minor downgrades since then..
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3465/lastyearsprojectsuccessci6.jpg

this gorgeous machin is the torana built with entirely 2nd hand parts...it took 3 months to finish as we had hardly any parts to fit lol..
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7691/storanana3.jpg

this is robs SS camaro..some work been done modify'n the body structure...but all the same was a success...he blew it to hell that afternoon...lol
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9240/robssspe6.jpg

and finally my g/f of 3 years car...her gorgeous mustang 68 Cobra Jet which cost me quite alot of doe...
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6770/cobrajet68vc7.jpg

but for viper...he asked if i had any pics just incase he didnt see my post before i'll throw it up again...muh gorgeous 68 charger White Knight Special...426 magnum hemi block, weiand 920 deluxe S/Charger, (not yet noss'd)...chrysler 8 n 3/4' diff..with a modified 727 topload trans...o btw this is #36 of 500...there where only 500 genuine white knight specials madse in 1968..enjoy
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turbo's will never n i repeat never....outdo a supercharger...never...thats why they are caledd Superchargers...
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I was being sarcastic until the day brandon bernstein straps a Turbo On his Top Fuel Dragster and run's a 4 sec pass. Then yes Superchargers are still the KING.:scared:
You were prob being sarcastics aswell but incase..
No Super doesn't mean it's Superior than a turbo. Turbo is driven by a gas turbine powered by the exhaust gasses from the engine. A Turbine-driven superchargers are correctly referred to as turbo-superchargers - or more commonly as turbochargers.

Don't get me wrong I understand clearly the limitations of both. I'm aswell in motor sports worked with Nascar for a couple of years and SCCA. I got my share of knowledge and understand very well what each Supercharger roots style or turbine style can do. I mentioned the VTG to bring up some new technologies car makers and motor sports in general are all over now. Small, light, fuel efficient, instant power, these are all benefits from a system such as the one I mentioned. I just wanted to close the argument about boost lag. There are some turbos being used on diesel Trucks that have the variable vane technology that produces Tq from 1200rpm all the way up to 5500rpms. But to apply this on a gas vehicle requires extensive computer mapping that only big companies like Porsche, Nissan, Toyota, CAT etc can come up with. Porsche's 997 Zero lag turbos produce a whoping 510Hp. Pretty amazing if you ask me.


if u where to have a 98 supra...twin turbo..6 speed box of course..
and i...i have a 1968 shelby mustang GT350R...ok lets say all i do is mount twin s/charger kit...and also a 6 speed supra box n diff...who u think would tak the cake??...me...without pause...not only because im using a supercharger kit...its because a mere 6 cylinder doesnt produce the torque...the 8's even back in 1938...my last prject was a 1938 buick...straight 8...ok lets look at all the variables....it weighs 2 n 1/2 tonne...it produces 190bhp...

peice of **** right?...wrong...
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This comparison you made is totally invalid. All you said was that the Supra had a TT.

I can show you videos of 1000HP single Turbo Supras and Skylines running 7's in the 1/4. I can even show you a 4cylinder AWD Turbo Eclipse running 8's. I can also be glad to show you TT V8's doing the same.
A Supercharger and a Turbocharger have the same potentials of running the 1/4 the same but at a point. The fastest Turbo Drag car I think runs 6's. Anything faster than 6sec I would have to give it to the Supercharger ie. Funny Car TOP Fuel for example.
 
Sonzilla
This comparison you made is totally invalid. All you said was that the Supra had a TT.
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listen dude...that comparison was indeed valid as they come....teh fact that u said turbo's will out do S/Chargers brought on that remark...u cant do half the things with a turbo that u can do with a S/Charger...ok ya turbo'd cars can pull 6's n 7's....but the thing is they have relinquished all to do with cars...they then become drag cars...if u look at my charger it is registared....i drive it on the road occassionally..it pulled a 7.6 on its best ever run...its an absolute beast...u show me a registared skyline or w/e that can beat that n i'll kiss ya damn feet:lol: i want to see a road registered skyline with its licsense plate on pullin a 6 or a 7 on the 1/4.... shibi05@hotmail.com send it to me..
 
Mopar,

Yes that’s a point i was going to respond with. TC and SC are there for one reason... to get more power from less. They are both created to achieve that one goal. You can sit there and say they excel in one area because that’s its application all you like. But that’s only using it in a situation where its downfall's are acceptable and/or not a great hitch to that application.

At the end of the day, as I’ve said, there is no comparison. And i really don’t know why people would bother with turbo's when you have to put so much extra stuff on your car to achieve anything. Which of course adds to the odds of a breakdown. More parts - more prone.

live4speed,

"turbos create a lot of high end power but have turbo lag, superchargers create the power low down but don't have the lag. What's best for any car depends on how you'll use that car and your preferences really."

But that’s the thing. i'm not talking about preferences. All that does is a "your word against there’s' Scenario (go no where, and rightly so because that’s simply preferences’). Turbo's create a lot of power. That’s what they are created for. The lag is a downfall. Blowers create a lot of power. Have no lag, at EVERY rev range. how you use a car and what you prefer to put on it and why, are preferences’, and preferences aren’t what’s being discussed (and shouldn’t be discussed... they should just be stated hehe they have no bearing on logic or fact). :)

anyways i don’t mean to go on.

Mopar,

You seem to have a passion. Perhaps you'd be one to appreciate (and maybe actually know what i'm talking about with some of these things i'm about to list hehe) so i'll tell you a little about a car we’re doing up here.

We’ve got a clean (as in ready to put together) engine that consists of:

A Merlin 2 Block (4.53” bore). O-ring Block. (516ci)
4” steel crank (Eagle)
H-Beam Con Rods (Scat)
Ross Supercharger Pistons (perfectly sealed rings – file fitted)
Road X big block 2X Heads
Ferera Sevier Duty Stainless Steel Valves (yes way beyond heavy duty lol)
Jessel Roller Rockers (shaft mount)
Solid Roller Cam and Lifters
A full ARP Stud Kit
And of course…
An 8-71 BDS Blower (roots type of course).
Enderley Bug Catcher and Fuel Injection
Vertex Magneto
Thankfully my Dad paid for all of this (I’m not that insane lol) so don’t ask how much it costs because its in the 5 digits easy. Hehe

This is all being carried in a 1957 Studebaker Golden Hawk. The only one in Australia. Actually I lie… there is two in Australia (figures from the importers themselves). We have one… the other has an unknown where-abouts. Most likely resting in its rusty grave. hehe
 
Mopar 68
well it may be plausable...this new tech may be an advance step in urbo tech but still even tho electronically drivin the turbo is also exhaust n vaccum drivin...so whether or not its electronic advantage is there...the fact still remains that there is no turbo drivin power untill vaccum reaches sufficient pressure...in other words...turbo's whether eloctronic or not...are useless in the lower rev limits..the car must be reliable on its internal power to exceed the limits of low RMP n low torque...which in instance of track racing still amounts to the same low RPM status of previous discussion..there may however be a rise in top end power n speed but the loxer RPM is where the power needs to be...as now u may understand why i aint particularly interested in turbo's so to speak...lol
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I just explained to you that there is a Turbo with ZERO LAG. I gave you two examples of it. It's Instant Tq and Hp. And on top of that it's Gas driven so guess what you still get crazy amounts of Boost for Top end Power that a Supercharger can't come no where near. So this is idea for Road Racing and that's why Porsche is dominating the Lemans GT1 Series with Technologies such as this. Imagine this technology when it grows and soon you will see this applied to Drag Racing and maybe you might Finally see Turbo Dragsters running some Times near Funny Car's territory. This is only an assumption!!!
 
Sonzilla,

All thats all well and good. Even more proof that each can go a long way (this needs to nebateing). But if you put R&D into one you can of course get better results.

one thing that you fail to mention. Those cars you list seem to be feather weights compared to what the blown car's push down teh track.

OH and just for the record... drag racing doesnt interest me at all. yes its impressive. But i preffer formula 1 and track racing just like live4speed (if thats who it was that mentioned it. sorry if it was another).
 
Mopar 68
listen dude...that comparison was indeed valid as they come....teh fact that u said turbo's will out do S/Chargers brought on that remark...u cant do half the things with a turbo that u can do with a S/Charger...ok ya turbo'd cars can pull 6's n 7's....but the thing is they have relinquished all to do with cars...they then become drag cars...if u look at my charger it is registared....i drive it on the road occassionally..it pulled a 7.6 on its best ever run...its an absolute beast...u show me a registared skyline or w/e that can beat that n i'll kiss ya damn feet:lol: i want to see a road registered skyline with its licsense plate on pullin a 6 or a 7 on the 1/4.... shibi05@hotmail.com send it to me..
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I don't know why u think I'm trying to argue that Turbo's are better than SC's. I clearly said that the SC was indeed the King when it comes to producing all out power because of it's design.

Again for the record I'm only stating a technology for Turbo's with Zero Lag. Like mentioned before it's all about purpose. But both can do the same to a point as I mentioned in the above post

Here you go John Shepherd 7.976 179.06 and daily driven 4cylinder.
So I will be expecting you to come and Pucker up..lol:)
http://www.shepracing.com/images/racecarplateL.jpg
http://www.shepracing.com/images/racecarmotorL.jpg
http://www.shepracing.com/images/racecarfront3L.jpg
 
Sonzilla
I just explained to you that there is a Turbo with ZERO LAG. I gave you two examples of it. It's Instant Tq and Hp. And on top of that it's Gas driven so guess what you still get crazy amounts of Boost for Top end Power that a Supercharger can't come no where near. So this is idea for Road Racing and that's why Porsche is dominating the Lemans GT1 Series with Technologies such as this. Imagine this technology when it grows and soon you will see this applied to Drag Racing and maybe you might Finlay see Turbo Dragsters running some Times near Funny Car's territory.
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look at what u wrote just now...^...now explain to me what relivance that hass to my comment...i said nothin of a turbo such the one u describe having lag at all...the fact is if its a turbo it will be useless in the lower RPM's...if it gives instant power and Torque boost from the moment u touch the peddle than think about it...its not a turbo...if u can manage an instant punch from 0 to 9000 or so RMP it aint no turbo its hybrid tech...but as i said...i didnt say the turbo u commented on had any lagg...i dont know anything about it so i cant comment on its abilities...

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and mate hoffy that engine u got sounds pretty bloody schmick i like the sounds of it..would go nicely in the ole stud...but i reckon she'd go sweet in a rambler hornet or somethin like that.....

ig horsepower need a light carrier...power to weight ratio can be to powers advantage n really i reckon its better that it is lol
 
Sonzilla
I don't know why u think I'm trying to argue that Turbo's are better than SC's. I clearly said that the SC was indeed the King when it comes to producing all out power because of it's design.

Again for the record I'm only stating a technology for Turbo's with Zero Lag. Like mentioned before it's all about purpose. But both can do the same to a point as I mentioned in the above post

Here you go John Shepherd 7.976 179.06 and daily driven 4cylinder.
So I will be expecting you to come and Pucker up..lol:)
http://www.shepracing.com/images/racecarplateL.jpg
http://www.shepracing.com/images/racecarmotorL.jpg
http://www.shepracing.com/images/racecarfront3L.jpg
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dude look at that last pic.....but before u do i want to tell u somethin...Australian RTA quotes u cannot have any weight reduction processes made to a car eligible for registration as it decreases the safety level od the cars structural capabilities...two that mofo has rollbars...probably 1 seat with racin harnesses...that aint no worthy apponent try again:sly:
 
Mopar 68
if it gives instant power and Torque boost from the moment u touch the peddle than think about it...its not a turbo...if u can manage an instant punch from 0 to 9000 or so RMP it aint no turbo its hybrid tech
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Yo it went right over your head man.....:dunce:

VTG is a variable turbo geometry (VTG), which uses guide vanes located in front of the turbine wheel that modulates inflow angle and speed. It's TURBIN DRVIVEN BY EXHUAST GASES IT"S A TURBO SUPERCHARGER.
I don't know what dictionary your reading but this is the correct term the correct english meaning and commonly known as a turbocharger.

Mopar 68
dude look at that last pic.....but before u do i want to tell u somethin...Australian RTA quotes u cannot have any weight reduction processes made to a car eligible for registration as it decreases the safety level od the cars structural capabilities...two that mofo has rollbars...probably 1 seat with racin harnesses...that aint no worthy apponent try again:sly:
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Excuses excuses I know John and seen his car personally it has both seats, Rollbar is legal here and racing harness as well . Well here in AMERICA it's legal so you can come up up with all the excuses you want. See the license plate it's registered... :sly:
 
Mopar - that's SEVEN consecutive posts (and three, and two). The last person to make so many consecutive posts ended up banned soon afterwards. Double-posting (or triple, or septuple) is not acceptable.

Use the edit button to add extra information to your original post.
 
Mopar 68
superchargers will never be replaced...the fact remains...if a turbocharger were able to produce sufficient power from 100RPM n only 100 it would be classed as a supercharger...
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Hmmm 100,000hp+ at 102rpm


Im not even going to bother reading the rest of your misinformed posts after reading the last couple.

*EDIT* Nevermind he is banned now.
 
I just found this:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65220

Bottom line reads:

Gran Turismo HD is considered a prototype, but in a statement chucked out during E3 creator Kazunori Yamauchi said, "The wait for the next generation of Gran Turismo, post launch of PS3, may not be as long as you think." All eyes on TGS then, or perhaps even Leipzig's Game Convention.

This seems to futhers confirm things.:)

Cheers,

Gram.
 
There's an interesting bit of news I came across at the PS3land forums. These are some of the playable games at the Tokyo Game Show:

Sony
- The Eye of Judgement
- Warhawk
- Gran Turismo-Serie
- Genji
- Everybody's Golf 5
- Formule 1
- Heavenly Sword
- MotorStorm
- Lair
- Resistance Fall of Man

Yes, there are typos, this probably came right from Japan.

All those games, and a bunch more besides (27 total) are really exciting. But what about "Gran Turismo Series"... is my prediction about to come true? If Polyphony is looking at a longer scale development schedule for GT5 than several more months, could this be a Gran Turismo Megamix, with high definition GT content from the previous versions with some of GT5's graphics and game engine??

Hey, as I said numerous times before, I'd be happy with that. :)
 
Tenacious D,

Indeed i wondered exactly the same thing... what the hell does "series" mean? hehe

I thought perhaps just a backwards compatability thing for GT4 (and/or 1,2,3). Hence "series".

Gosh im getting annoyed witht he lack of info from Sony. AND from game developers (mostly PD). eheh
 
I know its a few months later, but what the hell.

ok, Sonzilla knows his stuff, so lets see if we cant get you guys to understand this.

A supercharger is a blanket term for forced induction system. The crankshaft driven type is the one which we commonly call a supercharger, while the exhaust driven type is called a turbocharger.

Superchargers are boost dependant on the rpm the motor is turning, so they will make power whenever the motor is turning. superchargers tend to be less efficient at making power then turbochargers because superchargers make power by taking it from the crank. Turbochargers due impede exhaust flow, and so do take some power to turn, but the medium they use would not otherwise be used to drive the car, so it actually steals less power from the car.

Lag is the term given to the time that it takes for there to be fast enough exhaust gase flow to drive the turbo fast enough to add power to the system. This however, with the technology Sonzilla mentioned earlier, and proper tuning is reduced to a minimum. This can also be reduced with twin turbochargers. Often in a twin turbocharger system a different sized turbos are used so the smaller turbo will spool up early and reduce lag while the larger one takes over at a higher rpm to raise the maximum power that can be made.

Due to turbos higher efficiency the ultimate power potential is higher than that of a supercharger. The reason they do not use superchargers in top feul dragsters and funny cars is simply rules restrictions.


These are summaries and exerpts from my 4000 word research paper.
 
GramNitrous
I just found this:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65220

Bottom line reads:

Gran Turismo HD is considered a prototype, but in a statement chucked out during E3 creator Kazunori Yamauchi said, "The wait for the next generation of Gran Turismo, post launch of PS3, may not be as long as you think." All eyes on TGS then, or perhaps even Leipzig's Game Convention.

This seems to futhers confirm things.:)

Cheers,

Gram.
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sounds good to me.then lets hope pd is serious with releasing it during 2007...not like other times...:D

thanks for the heads up:tup:
 
Jeepers, that seems like a long time ago. But I was vindicated. There weren't a lot of us being vocal for the release a Gran Turismo HD, but we were tenacious. ;)

When news of a black horse in a yellow shield on a red car came along, a lot of people changed their minds to "heck yeah!" We still have to see if the game will be half based on GT4 cars we have to purchase from the Sony Store, or if the Classic content will be included to one extent or another. Kaz has been sending too many mixed messages over the past few weeks. Maybe we'll get a Christmas present of a more definitive interview in that regard.
 
Hur Hur Hur

You guys are funny!

Supercharger is teh roxor!!!

No Turbocharger is teh roxor!!!!

No Supercharger is teh uber roxorZZZ!!!

:lol:

One is not better than the other, just different. 👍

Depends what you wanna use the car for.
 
In MY opinion.......if GT5 is released in 2007 is won't have that many cars on the game, and we will have to download the majority of them.
 
GT5 won't be released in 2007. GT5 Prologue will. Gran Turismo 5 is scheduled for 2008. Springtime. But we'll see on that. ;)
 
Its 2008 now? Good gawd. As usual...PD is saying, "Well spring 2007, no wait, fall 2007." A few months later, "JK! Summer 2008!" PD really needs to get a grasp on the idea of going ahead as planned instead of making more and more excuses as to why they can't release it on time. I would grasciously download cars to have GT5 a year earlier! :)
 
2004TSX
Its 2008 now? Good gawd. As usual...PD is saying, "Well spring 2007, no wait, fall 2007." A few months later, "JK! Summer 2008!" PD really needs to get a grasp on the idea of going ahead as planned instead of making more and more excuses as to why they can't release it on time. I would grasciously download cars to have GT5 a year earlier! :)
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Would you rather them rush the game, get it out at the original release date and then you are stuck with a game that is half finished? I really don't mind that they delay it, as I feel that every time they delay it that's another area they can perfect. Like for instance more cars, better AI, damage, body modifications, paint shop, etc. .... you get the idea:idea:
 
thebtspecial
Would you rather them rush the game, get it out at the original release date and then you are stuck with a game that is half finished? I really don't mind that they delay it, as I feel that every time they delay it that's another area they can perfect. Like for instance more cars, better AI, damage, body modifications, paint shop, etc. .... you get the idea:idea:
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You know, I've been hearing this said about gt3, and gt4. Both games were rediculously delayed, and still came out less than perfect. and thats the first point, the game will never be perfect.
Second, this is 2007, all they need do is put together the basics of the game, make it work right, and then support it with updates. now if they send out half a game and dont adiquitly support it I'll admit my error and patiently wait for gt6.


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