New GAS, I'll have to take care of that today.Music 

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Well, I had a terrible gig last week. It was supposed to be a mellow wedding gig at a private house up in the hills. They had us playing in their shop in the corner. All I had was my little 100w Crate combo with a single 15". I normally don't need to pull out the full SWR 900w stack for little gigs like this. I have to say, it was horrible. I couldn't get enough sound out of my small rig to keep up with the drummer who insisted was playing quiet. In searching for some small but quality setups I ran into Bergantoni bass cabinets. They have a new line of powered cabinets that are supposed to just blow you away. The powered speakers have a 1000w amp with Factory setup DSP settings for EQ, Limiter, Compression to make each cabinet as flat in response as possible. I started to look at their IP112 which is a single 12" woofer in a cabinet that's only 15"Hx17.5"Wx13"D that only weights in at 46lbs. This would be more than enough for most of the gigs I run around here, but for those times I need just a bit more, I can add and extension 12" cab for a total of 1000w's which is more than what I am running in my big rig. Might add that the extension cab is only 36lbs. Guys are just blown away at what these little 12's can do. I'll be ordering up the stack here in about 40 minutes. It's a major investment, but If it performs the way I think it will, I will be able to dump the rest of my amps and cabinets and just use these two little jewels.

www.bergantino.com
 
Sorry, fixed the link. It's Bergantino not Bergantoni.

Yeah, Behringer has really come a long way in their design. There not half bad and in a pinch they would probably do. Not that I would want to gig every weekend with them though. I'm done buying junk and will never go back to playing Peavy, Behringer, etc. They save you on money up front, but how much low end equipment are you willing to buy and sell before you finally end up with a high-end rig anyways? I wish someone would told me a long time about to buy right from the start and to quit trying to polish terds. :lol:

It's all good.... I just ordered them and will be here next week. I'll be sure to post a full review when I have really got to know them.

:cheers:
 
I don't know what you were thinking, Pako. When I hear "wedding gig", the first thing I think of is a huge wall of bass cabs :lol:

Good luck with the new rig. I'm envious of those who get to play loud. Maybe once I get a "real" job, I can upgrade from my 65 watt combo :).
 
kylehnat
I don't know what you were thinking, Pako. When I hear "wedding gig", the first thing I think of is a huge wall of bass cabs :lol:

Good luck with the new rig. I'm envious of those who get to play loud. Maybe once I get a "real" job, I can upgrade from my 65 watt combo :).

:lol: I kinda almost pooped a little when I first read that.
 
Looks like a sweet setup, Pako. 👍

When I was mixing/playing drums for some friends, I was in control of a home-made amp/speaker combo. One amp feeding 700w to (2) 12" subs and horns (niiiiice home-made box) and one amp feeding 1000w to (2) 15" Crates. The 1k amp also fed some monitors. We never dared turn that sucker up. :scared:

I went to a concert at the fair last night, btw. They had 8 stacks of 6 boxes each (4 stacks on each side of the stage). Each box had (3) 15" speakers. 8x6x3=(144) 15" plus the horns mounted on top off those. I don't even want to know what they were using to push all that.

Okay, I do want to know. And I want one. :D

Edit: I just did a search for the IP112's. Is that really the price tag?? :eek:
 
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Edit: I just did a search for the IP112's. Is that really the price tag?? :eek:

Don't you just love power? That much cone area is just ridiculous isn't it? :)

Price tag? Yeah, I'll have to dump some gear to pay for the new investment if I want to keep it. I have three days after it arrives to send them back. The way I look at it, I have $2500+ in my SWR right now. That's the amp, cabinet, rackmount dynamics. This package is actually less than that and is claiming to be able to out perform my current setup. Plus to have the portability to boot, it should be a killer rig. Keep in mind that the IP112 includes a 500w@8ohm/1000w@4ohm amplifier in the IP112's cabinet. You also get DSP processing on the EQ to tune the cabinet as flat as it could be, compression, and limiting.

It's much more than just a 12" speaker slapped into a carpeted box. ;)

I'll find out just how great these speakers are next week. I'll let my mates decided when I gig with the setup. I know I can't be completely unbias.

Omnis, G.A.S. stands for Gear Acquisition Syndrome. It is a common problem for most musicians. :D
 
Ah, I see. I was confused between something like that or God-Awful Show or whatever. Good looking with the IP112, though. That thing looks SICK.
 
kylehnat
I don't know what you were thinking, Pako. When I hear "wedding gig", the first thing I think of is a huge wall of bass cabs :lol:

Good luck with the new rig. I'm envious of those who get to play loud. Maybe once I get a "real" job, I can upgrade from my 65 watt combo :).
Playing "Here Comes the Bride" all in natural harmonics, no doubt.
 
I could really scale down and go with something like this:
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Omnis,
Well, did you register/login? Sheesh... J/K

Solid Lifters,
I hate this internet doohicky crap, it's a waste of my precious time watching reruns of All in the Family and Sanford and Sons.

:lol:
 
OK, just took some pics of the new rig for some other folk. Also is an experience I had this past weekend at a outdoor show:





The whole rig consisted of:
1xKorg DTR-1 Tuner into ->
1xAguilar DB659 Pre with Telefunken Tubes into ->
1xIP112 into ->
1xEX112


My Axe:
-Sadowsky RV5 JJ 440 Tuning

Their Axes:
-Ken Smith Designs - Burner Deluxe 4 String (tuned half step down)
-Hundog P bass, single pickup Passive 440 tuning (No joke, it's called a Prejism, instead of Precision).

Saturday night was the standard lineup for Blue Onion. On the Aguilar Pre I had the Gain at about 50%, Treble at 1 O'clock, Mid at 3-4 O'clock, and bass at 12 O'clock and the Master at 50-60%. I had the horn on the IP112 at zero, or normal and the gain at 100%. Depending on the song, I had the pickup blend from 50/50 to 65/35 favoring the neck. Bass and Treble were boosted from 0-20% depending on the song and whether I was fingering or slapping.

At first, I really tried to open it up. I knew this was going to be my last bigger outside gig. We have been on the main stage for the last three years as the opening act for the weekend. Great sound, but there just aren’t that many people out there just yet. Friday afternoon at 2:00 just doesn’t lend itself to a large crowd. This year we were on the second stage. We had a 4:00 and a 7:00 slot on Saturday. Much better time slot and even though it was the second stage without the BIG full production sound, the crowd was much much better. The entire Stage and FOH was Mackie. The volume wasn’t gut wrenching, but it was definitely louder than I needed to be and certainly more than I have ever played it before. Towards the end of our first set, the FOH engineer asked if I could turn down. I didn’t touch the Preamp, but rolled the volume back about 10-15%. It didn’t hug me like it did when I was up at the mic, but if I got back to the amp, the love was there again. At first it sounded thin, just because the volume was turned down. After about three songs later I got used to the lower volume and sat really well with the stage mix. This also allowed the FOH to put me into the mix to spread the love around. There were a couple of bands that had seen us before as well as other bands on that stage and they all commented how well the mix sounded compared to the other bands. Got a lot of compliments on how punchy and solid the bass was. The slap tone was described as just right, wasn’t too shrill or piercing, but just sweet tonal bliss. Keeping in mind that the horn hits at about lower waist, I was careful not to boost the highs to compensate and certainly standing twenty feet away up at the mic, the tweeters heights was no longer an issue. I couldn’t have asked for a better sound coming from my bass. The prior three years I had played this same gig with my SM-900 and Goliath III 4 ohm bridged mono and well…..the Berg setup just worked. On a more sober note, during our brake while the main stage was going, the wind picked up and my Sadowsky took a face plant. Just a little flesh scuff marks not fret damage and played just fine the second set. ****note to self, get rid of that guitar stand.****

The next day was my buddies gig. This was with the Ken Smith bass. Really had to max the treble on the pre amp, activated the bright switch, he backed off the mids about 15%, and maxed out the bass but left the low boost off. I also turned up the tweeter to +2 on the IP112. It was a very solid tone, with plenty of mids and lows, and the highs were there but not over powering which surprised me for how much treble we requested from the rig. At the FOH mixer, the engineer was complaining about a low end wobble. Upon listening to it, I heard it as well. He said it didn’t do that with my bass the day before. The tone was still sweet though and busted through the mix with punchy lows, and low mid growl with present but not over powering highs. It was full sounding. I also made a believer out of him as well. We got him to turn down as well so we could turn up the bass channel on the FOH board. He gave him some monitor out of the two 15” powered Mackie monitors and he was happy. He did 5 songs then switch over to guitar, where Ken, my guitarist from Blue Onion hopped on bass with is Hungdog P Bass. This was a passive pass so into the passive input with him. This caused some serious concern for the sound because the output of the Aguilar is a LOT hotter when plugged into the passive input then that of the Active input. It farted out the monitors (might have blown some tweeters out of both the FOH and Monitor, and this is why sound engineers should check levels when ever there is a different player/instrument/rig…..not sure what he was thinking…..). I set it where the low end was present and growly, with plently of low mid attack, and plenty of punch. High end clarity was there but not harsh. He asked so I boosted the highs way too much for my taste. Think of maple body, maple neck, neck pickup with the treble maxed….that was the tone he was going for. I think all those years of playing guitar that there are some high frequency hearing loss. His tone wasn’t as good. He used a felt pick but dug into each note way to hard causing his bass to bark every note. I will say that when he backed off and attacked it easier, that the tone was much, much better. They still did a great job. After their hour was up, I got back up on bass, informed the FOH engineer that I was switch back to the active input and that signal would be lower. This was a all out jam session. I was on bass, thee guitar players. Next to me on the right was a Soldano Hot Rod 50, behind me three congas, to the left was the Drums, A Marshal Half stack, and two Dr Z 18w cabs. That Soldano just about took my head off he was cranking it so loud. He was squeezing every last drip of tone out of it, but my bass rig just kept right on with it. I tried to stay at the lower volume I was at from the night before, but I had to do what I had to do. I still wasn’t opened up, but I could hear every note clearly with plenty of punch and fullness!

That being said, I think I may have found the right tool for the right job. Certainly this won’t be for everyone, but I heard full Marshall Bass stacks, Full Mesa Boogie stacks, Peavey stacks…….and this from the FOH, this Berg mini stack sound by far the very best out of all of them. Completely blown away.

Well Mike, wish you could have been there. These few words was just my experience with some dialog taken from others experience from the weekend as well. Something I thought as I was going home was what kind of gig was tombowlus doing that required the IP212+IP310 stack? My gawd! The thought of that makes me a little pukey. I suppose if you are doing stadium gigs, or even main stage acts you would probably want more than what the IP112+EX112 would give you…but then again, maybe not. Between stage monitors, side fills, and the mini-stack behind you, you could honestly do a Main Stage act without fear of being under powered or lacking anything IMHO, you might look a little silly though without that Ampeg fridge or twin fridges. (:
 
Whoa nice set up there Pako. But I really don'y feel like reading the bible right now! But i'm sure your talking all about stuff that I don't know about even though I play bass. Well I need to get back into it.
 
LOL, to summarize, it kicked some serious boot-aay! Other monster rigs, 3 times it's size, didn't compare in quality and loudness. It was unbelievable!
 
Sounds awesome. Was this the big Montana gig you do every summer?

BTW, that is one sweet looking bass amp. Cheers!

Hot Rod 50 are loud and very noisy. I thought about getting one back in '93, or so. But, the overdrive is not "sweet" enough, but did have great distortion.

I've yet to try out some input devices and adapters I just purchased to try to get my PC to record audio via line input. Nothing seems to work, but I'll try it out in a day or two. I still have to finish up setting up my new HDTV set.

I got the new Sony Bravia KDL-46XBR2, and it's not a easy set to set up. I think I finally got the PC (S-Video) input set up to the best possible picture, which isn't that great. This set has a bad history with poor 480i sources, which PC via S-Video is, with not a doubt. Shines like polished platinum with HD movies via D* and my H20, though. I'm very happy with it. But, I found it the hard way my computer sucks even more (you know how it's been for me with the constant audio and video devices failing). But, now it appears that Compaq never game me a VGA output. They just added the TV video output card I ordered with it, and that's it. No RGB out!

I know, I need a new computer. I'm still waiting for the PS3, though. If that thing don't turn out like I think it's going to, I'll order a HD-DVD Mac or PC. I don't want another PC, but might be forced to. The PC will be HD-DVD because I hear how much better it is over Blu-ray, which the PS3 will cover.

I cannot believe my computer problems have gotten worse. :rolleyes: Piece of ****.
 
Very nice, Pako.
Just cruisin' your site for Blue Onion, and I'm really impressed by the band's music. I'll be purchasing it ASAP (When I get a credit card, which I'm going to apply for tomorrow).
Is Live at The Garden your only album so far?
(If you don't mind my asking, was the group influenced by Stevie Ray Vaughan? I've heard hints of him in a few songs).
 
Solid,
This was actually our Rock The River's gig that we do every year. It's a three day music fest out in the middle of no where Montana. The whole event covers about 40 acres. Pics can be seen on their site www.rockintherivers.net

Bro, sounds like you need a plug-n-play Mac G5. You and PC's.....well.....mix like water and oil. ;)

Slicks,
I'll have you know that my 6-string bass got sold to someone in your town. :D As far as our CD goes, "Live at the Garden" is our most recent one. We did a studio CD back in 1999 that was cool or a first CD but lacked in several areas. We have been working on our new studio CD for since late last fall but as it looks won't be done until late this fall. I would say that SRV is a huge influence on the Ken's guitar playing. :)
 
I know how the whole GAS thing goes, I just bought a $600 Roland Juno-D synthesizer.


And i don't even play keys, really 👍
 
I know how the whole GAS thing goes, I just bought a $600 Roland Juno-D synthesizer.

And i don't even play keys, really 👍
That should be the very definition of GAS. Real musicians aren't afraid to shell out big bucks for equipment they may only use once or twice :lol:.

A couple years ago, I spent $130 on a delay pedal, just so I could properly play Tool's "Disposition" on bass. I've found some good uses for it since then, though, but I really only bought it to play one song :).
 
I'm trying to save up some more money to get me a Marshall half stack right now. I decided to do that rather than blow my cash on a tiny amp that wont do as good.
 
She's already got the 'Bass Face'. :eek:

It's awesome. Proud papa here!!!
 
Here's some perspective on the size of the bass in relation to Grace:

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The Warwick would have crushed her tiny figure.
 
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