Official Pics: Audi A5/S5

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M5Power, I think your spot on with that đź‘Ť. I'm pretty sure the Vovlo's before that had the same butt, but less pronounced.

philly cheese
Hmm. See Veyron vs. S7TT debate. This would turn out very similar.
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Only this time I'd pick the American car any day. I'd happily choose the new Camaro over this.
 
I have only one, critical question: is the engine in front of the headlights as usual ( porsche on reverse :P ) or is it further back as everyone hopes?
 
The new audi styling makes the car look like the engine is so big it has to be in front of the lights. These cars are so big for what they are, I'm sure they will have designed room to fit the engine over the front wheels.
 
They're mounted logitudinal, rather than transverse in most Audi's, so they take up more of the lenth of the engine bay as opposed to the width of it. As a result more weight has to be further forwards than in a transversely mounted car where the engine can be further back. In the A5, it is supposedly mounted behind the front axel, yet it is still transverse. I'd like to see a plan of the cars engine bay tbh, to see how they've managed that. One possiblity is that the engine actually is mounted so it goes under the bulkhead right infront of where the dashboard would be, but to have thedashboard pushed further back into the car. I've seen that done before and it did not make for cheap engine work when you needed anything doing. Inluding the spark plugs.
 
Wow, I can see there was absolutely no design effort on this car, obviously.

Can you say, new 3 rear with curent Audi front slapped on?
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Hell, even the stance of this car is the same.
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live4speed
Only this time I'd pick the American car any day. I'd happily choose the new Camaro over this.
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...Or we substitute the Camaro with the next Monaro/GTO, and it looks even worse for the A5. Audi certainly has managed to find themselves in a do it or die category, one dominated almost completely by the 3-series in the higher price spectrum, and at the lower end, cars like the Ford Mustang rein supreme.

And to stretch my issues with the A5 even further, yes, even this GM guy would rather have a Mustang GT...
 
If you guys think the Audi A5 is going to be cross-shopped with Mustang GTs and Camaros.....think again. I mean how many people choose between a Mustang GT and a 335i coupe?

3-series, yeah, thats a competitor.
 
well looking at it the front wheels are a little closer to the front than the previous models which had a decidedly "front wheel drive" look about them with a big front overhang and the wheels tucked up by the front doors. considering this is an all new chassis and one they plan to use to a great extent i'd say that would be a huge "must address" factor in the new design, and they probably did make strides in getting the weight balance of the chassis more neutral.
 
It has the classic personal luxury car proportions... long hood, short rear deck. But without any of the drawbacks from such a car. But its not much without quattro though. :indiff:
 
skip0110
If you guys think the Audi A5 is going to be cross-shopped with Mustang GTs and Camaros.....think again. I mean how many people choose between a Mustang GT and a 335i coupe?

3-series, yeah, thats a competitor.
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You've gotta remember that this is America, and we're bat-freaking-nuts here when it comes to car comparisons. I think dollar-for-dollar the Mustang GT matches up to some extent, and although I would doubt some dude in image-dominated LA may go for the A5, the kid with money in Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc may have a better time settling on the Mustang that argueably looks better, probably performs similarly, and saves you a crap-load of money by the end of the night.

...But as I said before, the Monaro/GTO is going to be the car for the A5 to go up against, IMO, and although neither have been "confirmed" by GM, we know they are in the pipe, and based on their predecessors and the current VE sedans, the VE Monaro/GTO should do great...
 
YSSMAN
You've gotta remember that this is America, and we're bat-freaking-nuts here when it comes to car comparisons. I think dollar-for-dollar the Mustang GT matches up to some extent, and although I would doubt some dude in image-dominated LA may go for the A5, the kid with money in Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc may have a better time settling on the Mustang that argueably looks better, probably performs similarly, and saves you a crap-load of money by the end of the night.
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Yeah, but that's two different markets. The guy in LA isn't even going to step foot into a Ford dealer, and the guy in Michigan isn't going to check out his Audi dealer either. On paper, I'd agree they are pretty close, but the flavor and the target market are totally different.

I, for example, would get the Mustang (or the Camaro, depending on how it comes out) if I was looking for a coupe in that price range...but then again, I would never even consider the A5.
...But as I said before, the Monaro/GTO is going to be the car for the A5 to go up against, IMO, and although neither have been "confirmed" by GM, we know they are in the pipe, and based on their predecessors and the current VE sedans, the VE Monaro/GTO should do great...
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GTO, yes, I can see that as a competitor. Well, GM wants it to be a competitor, and it probably (almost certainly) will engineered well enough to be a competitor, but the question is, can they get those Audi shoppers to come into the Pontiac dealership?
 
I think much of the potential success of the GTO is largely going to be based on that of the G8 and it's reception as well as that of the Camaro. As VIPER had pointed out in the Zeta thread, the new Commodore's interior and refinement levels have been described as "Audi-like" in some cases, and that may prove to be an interesting tool against Audi in North America. As we already know, brand loyalty to Audi is not that strong, and I think that if the general shopper (be it American or not) would see that the "benefits" to an Audi aren't too strong against the Monaro/GTO, chances are that sales will shift towards the GM models.

But it is very hard to say overall. What would also be interesting would be if this car is the tipping-point for Cadillac and Lexus to build coupe versions of their CTS and IS models respectively. Before I belive they were a bit unsure due to the uneasy success of the C-class variants, and the domination posed by the 3-series.

...We'll see. I want to hear more about the A5 in action before getting really angry over the car, as we just aren't quite there yet...
 
I think the argument about the Bangle Butt left one important detail out;

The other characteristic of all of them is the shutline of the trunk is purposely drawn to be seen from profile. Most other companies draw it on the top surface of the rear so the profile is much cleaner and the trunk looks more like a natural part of the whole 3-box design, but Bangle's decision with the shutline makes the cars look more like notchbacks with a trunk slapped on. The character line of the car usually meets with the shutline too, and they make a last-minute effort to curve down. Sort of like the ugly CLS, but with a less balanced line over the entire shape of the car. That and the proportions of the trunk to taillights makes it look like the lights are being eaten by some metallic tumour on the back of the car. The 6 shows this even more so than the 7 did. The reason BMW gets the attention about changing car design is because while there were a few designs similar before hand (Bangle's Fiat Coupe, for one), the buying reaction to BMW's redesigns showed other companies that it could be done. Mercedes and Audi both have taken more than a few lessons from BMW's new line, but they do make sure to incorporate their own design language with it, so it's not quite as obvious. Look at the Maybach, CLS, or R-class for Merc, and this new A5 and the R8 (to a lesser extent) for Audi.

Anyways, off that... I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw A5 and thought 3-series. It's a very similar design, and I'm a bit disappointed by that. It will sell well most likely though, and I'm hoping for a new dynamic Audi. I know my girlfriend will like it (a big Audi fan), but yesterday we were just at the Autoshow, and guess what her favourite car at the BMW stand was? The 335i Coupe ;).
 
SlipZtrEm
I think the argument about the Bangle Butt left one important detail out;

The other characteristic of all of them is the shutline of the trunk is purposely drawn to be seen from profile.
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...which is a characteristic that NO ONE is copying, further proving my contention that Volvo started this whole trend.
 
lol I agree with M5 power how bangle design cues havent been copied by other majaor manufacturers. No one seems to claim such things on any other forums but this one.

Also I dont see how the A5 looks like a 3 series copy. I can show pics of vehicles that have rear tail lights similiar to that of the 3er coupe. Does that mean BMW copied them? No it doesnt.
 
YSSMAN
I think much of the potential success of the GTO is largely going to be based on that of the G8 and it's reception as well as that of the Camaro. As VIPER had pointed out in the Zeta thread, the new Commodore's interior and refinement levels have been described as "Audi-like" in some cases, and that may prove to be an interesting tool against Audi in North America. As we already know, brand loyalty to Audi is not that strong, and I think that if the general shopper (be it American or not) would see that the "benefits" to an Audi aren't too strong against the Monaro/GTO, chances are that sales will shift towards the GM models.
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Sorry, but no matter what the state of current Audi brand loyalty, the average person who'd be interested in the A5 still isn't going to set foot in an American car showroom. Assuming that they go to the Audi dealer first, they've still got Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura to go through (in that order) before they'd even notice where the local GM dealer is.

No matter how good the G8 may be - even if its interior is better than "Audi-like" - very few people shopping Audis are going to even think of Pontiacs. Witness the CTS.
Poverty
lol Also I dont see how the A5 looks like a 3 series copy. I can show pics of vehicles that have rear tail lights similiar to that of the 3er coupe. Does that mean BMW copied them? No it doesnt.
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Are you joking, or is your vision just clouded by fanboy sunglasses? Look at the 3/4 rear view posted above. It goes so far beyond the taillights that it's not even funny. In fact, if you changed the joint of the C-pillar at the rear quarter window and photoshopped BMW badges onto it, most people would be hard-pressed to tell the difference.

There's more than a hint older CLK in that C-pillar and roofline, too. Incidentally, that 3/4 rear view is the only view the A5 looks good, and that's only because it's so derivative of the two other cars I mentioned (both of which are among the more beautiful 2-door sedans ever).
 
hmmm, gosh the rear looks so like the BMW 3 series, and whats with the sagging crease line down the side of the car in the middle! Looks horrible, most other manufacturers bow the arc downwards not upwards.

I much prefer the BMW.
 
2007 Audi A5

1 - What is it?
Audi's first four seater coupe since the Audi errr coupe.
The all new A5 has a longer wheelbase than most traditional coupes in order to make the rear seat more spacious. It will also be later on available in S and RS versions.

2 - What's under the hood?

Sitting on audi's brand new MLP chassis, which promises to drastically increase dynamics. This next generation chassis allows for audi to use it across nearly their entire range, and can be set-up to understeer, have neutral handling, or oversteer. With this chassis audi can introduce new models more quickly, and cheaper.

Motivation will come via turbocharged 2.0-liter four cul. , 3.2-liter V-6, 3.6-liter V-6, 4.2-liter V-8 and a 5.2 V10 boasting about 480hp.
A redesigned transaxle (incorporating a more compact clutch and differential) allows the engine to sit farther back than it does in Audi models of the past, trimming the front overhang and allowing for better weight distribution.

3 - Any other extra?
Rear biased all-wheel drive, a 7 speed dual-clutch DSG transmission, and Delphi's MagneRide magnetic dampers will be on the options list.

4 - How much?
Base prices will start between that of the 3 series coupe and Mercedes CLK.

Are you joking, or is your vision just clouded by fanboy sunglasses? Look at the 3/4 rear view posted above. It goes so far beyond the taillights that it's not even funny. In fact, if you changed the joint of the C-pillar at the rear quarter window and photoshopped BMW badges onto it, most people would be hard-pressed to tell the difference.

There's more than a hint older CLK in that C-pillar and roofline, too. Incidentally, that 3/4 rear view is the only view the A5 looks good, and that's only because it's so derivative of the two other cars I mentioned (both of which are among the more beautiful 2-door sedans ever).
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For the A5 to have copied BMW, they must have had insiders to know what the new 3 series coupe would look like, as the A5 has been in development for years now, and the 3er hasnt been around long enough for anyone to "copy" ;)

Its funny that whenever one of the big 3 germans release a new car people say they copied something. Like when the 3er coupe first dropped people said it looked japanese :lol:
 
I'm also with Poverty on this one...coupes will look like coupes. There are only so many things you can do with the C-pillar and the brake lights. The A5 owes far more to previous Audis than anything else.

You never hear this line of argument when we're talking about $15,000 economy cars!
 
Duke
Sorry, but no matter what the state of current Audi brand loyalty, the average person who'd be interested in the A5 still isn't going to set foot in an American car showroom. Assuming that they go to the Audi dealer first, they've still got Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura to go through (in that order) before they'd even notice where the local GM dealer is.

No matter how good the G8 may be - even if its interior is better than "Audi-like" - very few people shopping Audis are going to even think of Pontiacs. Witness the CTS.
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You're pretty much right, and I'm not going to quibble too much. However I think it largely depends on what part of the country you are in. The foreign-make-dominated East and West coasts certainly won't have cross-shoppers between the two brands, but the Midwest and South may draw surprising contradictions based on the performance of others.

All of this depends on how GM does things with the respective models, and even more than that, how Audi decides to price and equip the A5 in the US.
 
YSSMAN
All of this depends on how GM does things with the respective models, and even more than that, how Audi decides to price and equip the A5 in the US.
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Even with that, the customer will only find out when they go to the dealership, which will happen first for the Audi and last, if ever, with the Pontiac.

But then you might say "if Pointiac advertises right, the customer will be informed enough to give it a chance." Hell, that's relying on GM making a superior car in every aspect and somehow also erasing brand-shopping. Many people looking in that price range need to have the right logo on the bonnet, sometimes more than anything.
 
Poverty
For the A5 to have copied BMW, they must have had insiders to know what the new 3 series coupe would look like, as the A5 has been in development for years now, and the 3er hasnt been around long enough for anyone to "copy" ;)

Its funny that whenever one of the big 3 germans release a new car people say they copied something. Like when the 3er coupe first dropped people said it looked japanese :lol:
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If it's been in development for years, it was obviously wasn't spent designing it.

Besides, I doubt you even know how long enough the new 3 was in development to compare.
Poverty
Oh look these manufacturers have copied audi :rolleyes:

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None of those even look like Audi's. The only one that does is the Mitsu, and that's just because it's grill isn't interupted.
God, you have the stupidest comparisons, don't you?
 
*McLaren*
If it's been in development for years, it was obviously wasn't spent designing it.

Besides, I doubt you even know how long enough the new 3 was in development to compare.


None of those even look like Audi's. The only one that does is the Mitsu, and that's just because it's grill isn't interupted.
God, you have the stupidest comparisons, don't you?
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1. The audi A5 design was signed off two years ago according to my sources. Infact going by my sources thecar was ready about two years ago, but audi delayed the launch for reasons I cant be bothered to get into. It involves the next gen A4.
2. If anything the CTS is the one with the most striking similiarities to that of the audi, but if you actually read the thread and noticed the smiley you would have seen that I was being sarcastic, and that I didnt actually think that way.

God, You sure do make some of the stupidest arguments, dont you? ;)
 

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