Mad FinnTuners Co.™ - Finished 301010 with GT-Rdammerung - BIG THANKS everyone!

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For a while now, I have quietly found a lot of the cars I found here to be very... lackluster, and I think I've found out why: my former testing track (Infineon) for some reason causes terminal understeer in all cars that enter it: The Bluebird practically drove itself (Just recently found out that's it's actually a frightening little French murderess), and the FR Celica, the NSX-R, the Trueno Shigeno, all just understeered to no end. I never bothered selling the Trueno, and just recently decided to dust it off to see if handbraking would help its understeer issue, and ran off to Suzuka with it. Before I could even get comfortable enough to use the emergency brake, I noticed that it actually loved to oversteer on entry and regain grip just before the exit (Swell, by the way!), way different from the behaviour on Infineon. I'm not promising full-on reviews, but I may say a few good things about some cars that I've quietly disliked in the past. Come to think of it, I should take the Le Mans somewhere else too. Maybe it's not as useless as I think in technical courses.

While I'm on the subject of quietness, there's one test that I usually perform on the tuned cars here, in the dark and privacy of the night: the 'worse tires' test, in which I basically just find out the worst tires I can equip on cars and still have them...work. The MR2 works brilliantly (as expected of a brilliant, lowish power, lightweight tune) as a drifter on N Tires, as do others, but one car ecspecially stood out in this test: The Bluebird.

On R Tires, I had to be really careful about weight transfer and gentle driving, but when equipped with S Tires, the car hardly slows down at all, and calms down considerably to become very pleasing, indeed. It even works as a remarkably rapid drifter on N Tires, if you're used to using the brakes and feint motion in unison. It's just the car's featherweightedness helping it out, but the result is awesome: A very, very fast car works wonderfully, controllably, and is quite balanced, even on N3's. By comparison, that Nismo Skyline I tried out earlier fell apart around S1/S2 Territory, undoubtedly a function of tankish weight, but the weakness remains: I can't detune it for normal racing.

Whatever, just some thoughts I had. I can't wait to be able to play GT4 again tomorrow!

Ahhh.. that explains.. want to know why they understeer @ Infineon? It's because that track has exactly 4 corners that are on somewhat flat surface, and aren't off-camber corners. These cars were tuned to work on a majority of tracks, and not on extremely quirky ones like Infineon. El Capitan is quite close to the limit, and in some cases, Nurburgring isn't a problem as long as you remember that humans are mere mortals unlike Sabine Schmidt and Walter Rohrl.
 
Leo, Amazing job on the Audi TT i was driving it around El Capitain and it would get a little sideways when you tapped the brakes, and it would grip like mad under acceleration, i love it gunna try the 500R later.
 
Ahhh.. that explains.. want to know why they understeer @ Infineon? It's because that track has exactly 4 corners that are on somewhat flat surface, and aren't off-camber corners. These cars were tuned to work on a majority of tracks, and not on extremely quirky ones like Infineon. El Capitan is quite close to the limit, and in some cases, Nurburgring isn't a problem as long as you remember that humans are mere mortals unlike Sabine Schmidt and Walter Rohrl.
Ah, that explains it; In my quest for a difficult track to test cars on, I'd chosen one that's way too difficult to be a good driving impression. But, I think I'll disagree on the El Capitan comment; I've not noticed anything odd about El Capitan, except that the AI there is completely gutless on the downhill right-hander.

Also, I've given the Le Mans a run at GVS Short Course, and it does, indeed, work decently in technical courses. Of course, a 700hp behemoth can't do very well in a technical course anyway, so my standards are skewed.

Tofumobile: I've tested the Trueno Shigeno Edition, this time on Trial Mountain and Deep Forest; The delivery car just feels at home in the green foresty places. I've noticed, of course, that this car should fundamentally oversteer, given it's origins. And this car does oversteer, but in quite a different way than usual. If I charge into a corner sideways, I come out of it straight, and if I come calmly into a corner, only then can I come out sideways. The car's engine is too weak to overwhelm the relatively grippy little tires and give consistent oversteer, as it should, so a drop to S1 tires seemed to be in order. The tire drop made it possible to turn a controlled entry into a slightly sideways entry, then maintain that angle throughout the turn. Of course, the transmission, as usual, was well-suited to the car and shows no obvious flaws. Verdict: The suspension and LSD is well set-up, but the car has been given too grippy tires to make it work the way an AE86 should--Sideways. A flaw, without a doubt, but easily fixed. So, the car is a success :)
 
Hmmm.. I wonder if you noticed that after I received critique from the unexpected grippyness of this aforementioned Trueno, I did one change: added power instead of changing tyres. This solved the problem quite similarly to your method, but instead of losing acceleration with lower grade tyres, it improved with more power, and helped the initiation of the power slides greatly.
 
i'll try the RUF tomorrow, because of my lack of time at the moment! i'll pust up my comparison between my "GT3 RS"-setup and your GT-R-setup Greycap!

viper
 
EA11R - Good to hear that the big Audi finally got to show what it's made of!

viperpilot - GT-R, huh? Some Skyline heritage showing through? :P
 
Seems to be so to me.. oh well, can't blame him, he's the member of Squadron after all..
 
Future car announcement:

The first mixed surface special of MFT is taking shape, slowly but steadily... all I reveal at this point is that it's shining white and has the pedigree of a four time world champion. 👍
 
The member of the Squadron? Does that make him better than the rest of us? ;)

Now, I'm a little intruiged by this latest development... I think I've got a fair idea what it is - in fact, I'm surprised you haven't done it already :P - but I'm wondering what sort of skill level you're tuning it for? In other words, is it enough to make me find a way to get my DFP useable with my PS2? :dopey:

DE
 
Post #1000

You read it correctly, people. MFT is really playing with the big boys now. We're in for a bit of statistics...

52 cars - one released in every 2.65 days
36,000+ views - around 260 per day
A couple of hundreds of hours of work - but it has been worth it!

Now let's keep going!
 
The member of the Squadron? Does that make him better than the rest of us? ;)

Now, I'm a little intruiged by this latest development... I think I've got a fair idea what it is - in fact, I'm surprised you haven't done it already :P - but I'm wondering what sort of skill level you're tuning it for? In other words, is it enough to make me find a way to get my DFP useable with my PS2? :dopey:

DE

Reply number 1000:

No, it makes him better than average GTP member. ;)

Hmmm.. I'm intrigued.. if you have some sort of vision, or maybe even a challenge, do tell. :sly:
 
congrats to 1000Posts and to such a wonderful shop! you're setups really are worth being tried and i hope you guys won't stop!
i'll edit this post after my RUF-testdrive.......

viper
 
very.. and my little car with it's little engine will most likely charm you with it's very entertaining and happy driving behaviour.
 
i tested the two RUF-setups, and i have to say, that your setup is about 2-3secs faster than my setup Greycap. i tested on Suzuka and on Toyko R246 and the MFT-RUF was always faster. but i'll re-do this tests, and fit my RUF with a better Gearbox, because now it's running with the standard-gearbox. so after these tests, i'm back with times and more review-stuff.

viper
 
well done with this thread MFT, you guys have built up an excellent repository of settings 👍

I will have to give you some more feedback soon, there's a couple of cars of yours that I've been quite enjoying lately :)
 
i haven't posted here in a long time. i was just checking up on how you guys are doing, and it seems like things are going great:tup:. i was also wondering which one of these cars will be entering the tuner challenge? i was going to test one of your cars but i am running a little low on cash at the moment.
 
I was going to make a brand new entry for the Tuner Challenge but recent work with it has shown that it would be far too difficult to drive for pretty much everyone that doesn't have the experience I do. The problem was simply the good old "slidesnapcrash" at higher speeds. Other cars are under consideration.
 
I'll probably enter Z-486, Mine's GT-R concept and Mister Black. they all will be running on sports softs, with no changes in suspension, LSD, downforce or power.
 
I'll probably enter Z-486, Mine's GT-R concept and Mister Black. they all will be running on sports softs, with no changes in suspension, LSD, downforce or power.
Great! looks like there will be some tough competition. i can't remember exactly, but i am pretty sure that one of you guys, i think it was Leonidae, tested my skyline. i completely changed the car from the original settings i came up with so it would fit within the guidelines. i think that you guys would really like it since you are both skyline fans.
 
I must say I love what you did with the Spirra in finally getting it some real attention. I drift a Spirra and love it. Anyways, I have a question, I see different color hoods and hood pins(to name some things) on some cars and I was wondering if you just photoshopped those into there or if there is actually a way in-game to do it.
 
I must say I love what you did with the Spirra in finally getting it some real attention. I drift a Spirra and love it.
It's one of the unknown warriors of the game and just to good to be overlooked, good to hear that you like it! 👍

Anyways, I have a question, I see different color hoods and hood pins(to name some things) on some cars and I was wondering if you just photoshopped those into there or if there is actually a way in-game to do it.
That's just Paint Shop Pro magic done by me, and some people have even been close to turning their games upside down in the pursuit of some of the cars... :P
 
It's one of the unknown warriors of the game and just to good to be overlooked, good to hear that you like it! 👍


That's just Paint Shop Pro magic done by me, and some people have even been close to turning their games upside down in the pursuit of some of the cars... :P

Well then it's a good thing common sense was nice to me telling me to ask! I'm gonna have to go get myself a black Spirra now for "grip" racing. I got the orange one to drift with.
 
That's just Paint Shop Pro magic done by me, and some people have even been close to turning their games upside down in the pursuit of some of the cars... :P
The first photoshop, the NSX (to the best of my knowledge), gave me lots of trouble. Problem is, the pictures were gorgeous. I still want one...
 
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