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I think I have two requests from each of you now. I just noticed the DBR9 was requested for Leo. I heard you have a GSX-R/4 tune somewhere back in the thread. If you feel like it you can send me that tune. I'd take a Fireblade tune too, I saw something about that too. Let's see, that's both gone from you and one left from Leo. I'll think about it.
 
Review of the Honda NSX-R LM RoadCar '02

1005 bhp, 671 nm, 1230 kg

0-100 km/h: 4 s
0-200 km/h: 8 s
0-400m: 10.8 s

Power stock: 553 bhp
Weight stock: 1230 kg

Acceleration is phenomenal, as you can see above 👍 There's no wheelspin in first gear (Only if you hold the brakes, give full throttle and then floor it!).. The brakes were left stock and that's good.. The car is very stable, even if you go full throttle on very uneven surfaces :) .. You're going to spin/ drift, if you touch the rumble strip with the front tyres (Be careful!) and if the car starts to spin: Stay calm and don't give throttle, just countersteer and hope the car's nose will show to the right direction.. And if it doesn't, just floor in, steer left/ right and the car'll do a 180° spin 👍 I've driven this car at Nürburgring and the tyre wear is quite good.. The rear tyres will wear out faster than the front ones (First, the rear ones are green and the front ones are blue, then both become green and after some time, the rear ones'll become orange/ dark orange, but the front ones'll stay green).. I really liked the tyre wear (although I was "only" able to do one lap per set).. I was able to do some high speed drifts and when I say high speed I mean about 250 km/h (At Schwedenkreuz).. The car tops out at 330 km/h, which isn't slow, but in my opinion, the car is easily capable of doing 350 km/h ;)

Positive aspects:

- Acceleration
- Brakes
- Ballance
- Tyre wear
- No wheelspin
- Stability


Negative aspects:

- Topspeed (Note: The car's topspeed is good, but in my opinion the car is capable of doing faster!)

10/10

Well done, Leo.. I really enjoyed driving this car.. And I hope the next pair'll be as good as this one, if not even better 💡 ;)

Are you going to continue with such monsters? :dopey: ..

Have a nice day and don't drink so much coffee :lol: J/K :lol:
 
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Review of the Honda NSX-R LM RoadCar '02

1005 bhp, 671 nm, 1230 kg

0-100 km/h: 4 s
0-200 km/h: 8s
0-400m: 10.8 s

I wonder, how fast is this MFT tune at Las Vegas Drag Strip?
Why I brought this up is that I've been tuning this car at dragstrip for awhile now and I'm currently running 8.3's :sly:

I'm also thinking of launching my own drag tune garage/joining some garage now that I've done 100+ drag tunes.
On the other hand I may go for 150 tunes before a big scale launch ect.



MadMax
 
Sorry for the double post, it was accidental (my first one ever!) :(
I've done that a few times, and you've been on here longer than me, so nothing to worry about. The times I have posted, I post, then click the back button. I then go to another page. When I get back to GTP, I think, "Did I post yet?" and click "Submit Reply". Then I edit my post and hope a mod will see that and put them together.

EDIT: It says three members are viewing this thread, and that would be me, S-Line Audi Fan and MadMax86, but it only shows me and SLAF. Funny.
 
:lol: Wouldn't that be insane? :crazy:

for this car.. not impossible, but very unlikely.
some juiced 4WD can do it no sweat (with nitrous)

1st that comes to mind, which is able to do it sub 10 maybe sub 9 seconds is Escudo dirt trial car '98



MadMax
 
for this car.. not impossible, but very unlikely.
some juiced 4WD can do it no sweat (with nitrous)

1st that comes to mind, which is able to do it sub 10 maybe sub 9 seconds is Escudo dirt trial car '98



MadMax

:eek: Didn't know that.. I just started to race at Las Vegas Drag Strip and did a 8.098 in the Impreza with NOS :ouch: :(

MinoltaMan89 - Thank you for the kind words and all the advice 👍

EDIT: Just noticed: POST 2800 :cheers:
 
I think I have two requests from each of you now. I just noticed the DBR9 was requested for Leo. I heard you have a GSX-R/4 tune somewhere back in the thread. If you feel like it you can send me that tune. I'd take a Fireblade tune too, I saw something about that too. Let's see, that's both gone from you and one left from Leo. I'll think about it.

GSX-R/4 tune and Fireblade tune are on their way. 👍

Review of the Honda NSX-R LM RoadCar '02

1005 bhp, 671 nm, 1230 kg

0-100 km/h: 4 s
0-200 km/h: 8 s
0-400m: 10.8 s

Power stock: 553 bhp
Weight stock: 1230 kg

Acceleration is phenomenal, as you can see above 👍 There's no wheelspin in first gear (Only if you hold the brakes, give full throttle and then floor it!).. The brakes were left stock and that's good.. The car is very stable, even if you go full throttle on very uneven surfaces :) .. You're going to spin/ drift, if you touch the rumble strip with the front tyres (Be careful!) and if the car starts to spin: Stay calm and don't give throttle, just countersteer and hope the car's nose will show to the right direction.. And if it doesn't, just floor in, steer left/ right and the car'll do a 180° spin 👍 I've driven this car at Nürburgring and the tyre wear is quite good.. The rear tyres will wear out faster than the front ones (First, the rear ones are green and the front ones are blue, then both become green and after some time, the rear ones'll become orange/ dark orange, but the front ones'll stay green).. I really liked the tyre wear (although I was "only" able to do one lap per set).. I was able to do some high speed drifts and when I say high speed I mean about 250 km/h (At Schwedenkreuz).. The car tops out at 330 km/h, which isn't slow, but in my opinion, the car is easily capable of doing 350 km/h ;)

Positive aspects:

- Acceleration
- Brakes
- Ballance
- Tyre wear
- No wheelspin
- Stability


Negative aspects:

- Topspeed (Note: The car's topspeed is good, but in my opinion the car is capable of doing faster!)

10/10

Well done, Leo.. I really enjoyed driving this car.. And I hope the next pair'll be as good as this one, if not even better 💡 ;)

Are you going to continue with such monsters? :dopey: ..

Have a nice day and don't drink so much coffee :lol: J/K :lol:

There's no such thing as too much coffee.. :nervous: The next pair is more of retro line, since there really isn't that many good monster cars.. but fear not, full powered monsters with downforce and slicks might be seen in the future.
 
just for you because they don't have suitable counterparts that Greycap could work on..
That makes me think that I've told Greycap about a Fireblade some time ago (more like months ago ^^').
But, well, I'm hoping this will spark a flashback ^^ (and if not, well, too bad for me :P).


Anyway, I testdrived both of the Quadruple Digits (both on Fuji2k5).
But before reading this, please keep in mind that all this comes from someone who discovered quite recently GT300 cars, and thinks that they somehow represent the best compromise for racing cars. And someone who is far from being a good driver too ^^


First is the Speed12.
This car feels nice. Especially when accelerating. When seeing the numbers going wild, it's really really nice. Feels like insanity. Numbers keep going up and all. Just magic.
And then, braking. I just love the way the front of the car behaves under heavy braking (ie. at the end of the straight of Fuji, braking for the first corner). The car starts searching for grip, and the front skid a little (I hope i'm using the right terms). I just LOVE that feeling.
Then, the sad part.
Cornering.
Well, it's not THAT sad. Just that, it's not phenomenal. More like average.
But, you have to factor in :
- Insane acceleration
- Insane size
So the car has to manage all that, and still corners.

Don't get me wrong, it's light years ahead of MFT's Aston Martin (it is the worst car i've driven from your garage). The Speed12 corners nicely. It's just not that agile. But that's normal, and to be expected.


I sure wasn't expecting a NSX as a second Quadruple Monster.
But it sure is nice to drive. A really high-powered midship can only be nice, right?
It stops really nicely. Its engine is really good, but yet, the topspeed could be improved (especially on Fuji... Gosh, 330km/h feels SLOOOOOW... especially when you hit it that fast).
But, well, thing is, it doesn't feel that much stable. And not that agile either.
This point is clear when you take MFT'S NSX GT1 after driving the LM Roadcar.

I mean, when you look at numbers, it's not even a match. Double the horsepower, 200kg more weight, better torque... Why even start?
Because the GT1 is ONLY 4seconds slower.
Sure, 4seconds is much. But the cars are that much different that it becomes significant (at least, in my mind).
The GT1 has way better traction. Is more agile. Less torquy, picks up speed more slowly, lesser topspeed... But it feels so much more natural.
The LM Roadcar is much more like an insane version of the NSX, but is far from being, to me, the best NSX.


In fact, those quadruple monsters share the same cons.
They are interesting cars. But I can't help thinking that they illustrate the saying "less is better".
It shows clearly with the NSX. In itself, it's not a bad car. It just throws away what makes the NSX a good car to begin with; it trades agility, traction, stability with power, and torque. And that, somehow, doesn't feel that right to me. Its insane power is easily controlled; but is the tradeoff worth it?

The Speed12 is less exposed to that, as it is, to begin with, a monster coming from another world. Its default comes from its conception, not from MFT. It's too big. Not agile enough. The insane power doesn't help it. Of course, i highly doubt that less power would make it more agile; at least, it can exit corner fast enough to keep a high pace.
The car in itself embodies "Less is better".
 
There's no such thing as too much coffee.. :nervous:

:lol:

Leonidae
The next pair is more of retro line, since there really isn't that many good monster cars.. but fear not, full powered monsters with downforce and slicks might be seen in the future.

Alright, I'll test them, too, no worries ;) .. I've got a full powered monster without downforce in mind..
 
DuoMaxwell - That old Caterham request would have been the very same car as I don't think reinventing the wheel is a good idea... it probably got forgotten. It'll get delivered this time.

But then the Speed 12 review - and partly the NSX GT1 as it seems to have been tracked too. The overwhelming feeling of speed has struck again, I guess. When you've braked into the first corner of Fuji the car certainly feels like it's crawling, that can't be denied. But take a look at the speedometer and you'll find out that the actual speed is right there with other FR cars. At other corners it feels like a total barge that can't turn on an airfield... but at the same time you're doing 30 km/h faster than those other FR cars, drop the speed and it'll behave. It's a very betraying car in that area. If it had 500 bhp on tap and an acceleration from this world you would hardly notice problems with cornering. And no, the stock engine doesn't make it any more agile. Slightly more manageable at corner exits but the tuned version screams past halfway down the first straight and after that it's gone for the rest of the lap.

And the NSX GT1, well, probably the best car as a whole I've ever made. But much of its superiority comes from the fact that it's in fact way underpowered - it could use at least 600 bhp - which makes it feel like it's glued to the road. Not that it's a bad thing but again, give the NSX LM the stock power figures while retaining the tuned suspension and many of the problems go away. Without actually changing anything else than corner entry speeds and the actual cornering speeds relative to the acceleration.

The verdict? These cars are easily overdriven into corners and it's their worst enemy. They feel slow despite being comparable to others because the engines give an impression of being capable of changing the laws of physics. Unfortunately they aren't.
 
long, detailed review

Thanks for the hard work. 👍 They indeed are excessive, but they were our april fools cars.. And Greycap was going to go berserk if he wouldn't get to tune an outright monster after all those pitiful fourbangers. :lol:
 
An NSX-R LM isn't really a good idea for a quad digit road car. Should have gone with something else instead. The Speed 12 is fair game, though for something with so much power. Also, did the Speed 12 still have the bad acceleration that the not tuned model still did? I haven't tried it yet, so I'm not gonna know till I do so or if one of you tells me.
 
An NSX-R LM isn't really a good idea for a quad digit road car. Should have gone with something else instead. The Speed 12 is fair game, though for something with so much power. Also, did the Speed 12 still have the bad acceleration that the not tuned model still did? I haven't tried it yet, so I'm not gonna know till I do so or if one of you tells me.

The NSX-R LM RoadCar is a good idea in my opinion.. Read my review of it and you'll see how good the car fits to "Quadruple Digits".. Also, I think that the Mad FinnTuners know what they're doing and what cars they're choosing.. Just give it a try.. You won't be disappointed 👍 Also I've written a review to the Speed 12.. You can read it a few pages before :) ..
 
I drove a stock Speed 12 two days ago in Nürburgring, in Arcade Mode. The wheelspin is just out of this world! :lol: Can't say I couldn't control it, but it surely was a pain in the 🤬 with each bump of the track. If I ever get enough money to buy it, I will test the tune. Surely, with R3 tyres and downforce, this car can't be as bad as the original one, which I tested in S3 tyres. :P
 
An NSX-R LM isn't really a good idea for a quad digit road car. Should have gone with something else instead.
Let's see the options and draw a few conclusions.

TVR Cerbera Speed 12 ’00 - Made by me.
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 ’02 - No downforce, can barely handle the stock power.
Dodge Viper SRT 10 ’03 - Perhaps doable, understeers quite a lot, made earlier by me with less power. For a reason.
Pagani Zonda C12S ’00 - See the 7.3 model.
Cadillac CIEN ’02 - More time spent for changing gears than accelerating.

So, where's that "something else" if I may ask? :dopey:

Also, did the Speed 12 still have the bad acceleration that the not tuned model still did? I haven't tried it yet, so I'm not gonna know till I do so or if one of you tells me.
Bad acceleration from a standing start yes because there's no grip, bad acceleration out of a corner certainly not.
 
I drove a stock Speed 12 two days ago in Nürburgring, in Arcade Mode. The wheelspin is just out of this world! :lol: Can't say I couldn't control it, but it surely was a pain in the 🤬 with each bump of the track. If I ever get enough money to buy it, I will test the tune. Surely, with R3 tyres and downforce, this car can't be as bad as the original one, which I tested in S3 tyres. :P

With S3's? Why? :scared:
 
:lol: I drive each of my cars with S3 tyres when doing practice runs. Just as MFT does with its cars. Muscle cars and racing cars I drive with R3 tyres, mainly because american muscle has too much torque for its own good, but it's still manageable with S3 tyres. But just to give it a little boost to stay in track against their asian counterparts, I use R3 :D
 
Let's see the options and draw a few conclusions.

TVR Cerbera Speed 12 ’00 - Made by me.
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 ’02 - No downforce, can barely handle the stock power.
Dodge Viper SRT 10 ’03 - Perhaps doable, understeers quite a lot, made earlier by me with less power. For a reason.
Pagani Zonda C12S ’00 - See the 7.3 model.
Cadillac CIEN ’02 - More time spent for changing gears than accelerating.

So, where's that "something else" if I may ask? :dopey:

Of those options, the Dodge and the Caddy are the best for me. They are American, after all, and American cars are DESIGNED for power.
 
So that's why they understeer, have wheelspin from the beginning and brakes made out of rubberducks?
 
They are American, after all, and American cars are DESIGNED for power.

And they suck at pretty much everything else that makes a car go around a track.


(except the Shelby Cobra... Of course, the base car is english, not even americans can ruin a british car ^^)



edit : burned and roasted by Leo...
Of course, read what i wrote as a joke ^^ (even though it comes quite close to reality :P)
 
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I've probably tested a dozen cars that I haven't put a review up of yet. I have some notes of driving impressions of some cars that I wrote. I believe I have Blackbird, GTO, and something else lying around somewhere.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I also reviewed the Blackpool Griffith.
 
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Used your settings on my black VW Bug, and it works an absolute treat, though I kept the gears as my own, nice job :)

Out of interests, what races can it win, besides the Sunday CUp, in WOlfsburg Turbo trim? :P
 
So that's why they understeer, have wheelspin from the beginning and brakes made out of rubberducks?

So that's why a ZR1 beats everything out of Japan and nearly everything from Europe in nearly all tests?:rolleyes:
 
So that's why a ZR1 beats everything out of Japan and nearly everything from Europe in nearly all tests?:rolleyes:

Sorry, we don't speak troll. :confused:

Translation please?



No but seriously, while the Cien on R tires saves itself a bit, both the Cien and Viper suffer from understeer and poor brakes in stock form as do most of the cars in GT4 and that's what we're on about here. >_>

EDIT: *American cars. Silly me skipping words.
 
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