RKM Motorsport - Tuned Tuners - May '13

Ah. I miss that car. I have an XJ220 that is untuned and I might send it in for tuning as long as it never gets painted. The Sapphire Metallic looks good on it. I will allow it to be repainted if I get a Sapphire Metallic chip for free.
 
I recently maxed mine in a failed attempt to crack the 230mph barrier, so now I want it to handle well instead…
 
I would try to do mine, but it has so many problems, I gave up. I am just making sure everything is uninstalled and repaired for RKM in they ever want to take it away for tuning.
 
This review will not have a before/after thing involved. It’ll all be about after. I will waste no time testing this car out stock, my motivation won’t last half as long if I have to put up with crap handling and understeer. One more thing, I’ve moved to Fuji Speedway F for testing cars for some strange reason, have no idea why…
So, this Emperor, or rather the Emperor. Easily the most hardcore Evo there is…or is it? Well, I’ll answer that later, but a bit about the car first. Regarded by some to be the last great Evo, it has a lot to live up to. And from the very moment you get onto a track, you know that this isn’t going to be a disappointment. It used to understeer in slow, tight bends, now it just grips like it’s rooted there. Before, it would grip hard to the track, but leave you with a hint of fear to hold you back from attacking each corner like a lunatic, now, it’ll grip just as much, if not even more, but the sense of impending death by understeer is gone, replaced with…let’s see…grip, grip, mild understeer, mild oversteer, still grip and then exit turn. Part of this is, I think, due to the AYC. It’s slow to respond but the response it gives is so quick that any sign of understeer is instantly banished with all 500+hp fired through the rear wheels. And when you get out of the corners and onto the straights, anything in its rear view mirror will just become a tiny speck with a frowning face on the driver’s face. It is just blisteringly fast. I got pass 175mph on the back straight. That kind of speed is ridiculous, but the way it loses this speed just blows you away and sends all fear and doubt out the exhaust pipe. It stops so quickly that on multiple occasions I had to stop braking and get on the power to even see the corner. If you want to drive this car, know one thing. It will look after you, it will take care of you. But don’t take this kindness for granted or it’ll show you why it has been labeled as the ultimate Emperor. Get a corner wrong, it’ll catch you. But if you fight it away and insist to play hero, you’d be buried in a wall and begging for it to take control again almost instantly.

This is a very good car. But as always, there’s something ready to snatch the crown from this Emperor’s head. And it’s this. The HKS CT230R. The Emperor’s arch rival. And also the very reason I’m here writing this review. You see, if it wasn’t for my need to push the HKS even faster than before, I wouldn’t have tested the Audi TT-R. And it was that car that had left the impression on me that you guys knew what you were doing. More than that, you guys could do it to just about anything. Still, enough of the ‘walking down memory lane‘ rubbish. Let’s see if my CT230R (which has done 1769.5km from new, a record for me :D) has the pace to take the title of the fastest Emperor to date.

Laptime:
HKS CT230R-1:41.769 (RJ tuned, sports soft)
Emperor-1:43.399

But the laptimes don’t tell the full story. These two cars are actually completely different, despite looking rather similar and having the same beginnings, so they really can’t be compared. One is a loose, wild, red dragon of a thing hidden behind a Evo body shell while the other is a representation of what happens when an Evo is pushed to the limits of its sanity. So where the HKS is a quick, responsive thing which can pull remarkably well from a standing start in 4th, the Emperor has monumental turbo-lag if you drop off the revs in any gear. One is a lightning quick monster of a thing which is as agile as a lotus, whereas the Emperor is more majestic (hence the name, you can’t have an emperor who acts like a punk, can you), taking its time to get up to speed and then sorting out any problems. Think of it this way, the HKS is the 22B of Evos. Very loose, very fun, very fast. While the Emperor is a grown up racer, more sensible, more grippy, and just slightly slower. Oh and just in case you’re interested, the HKS has 618hp. Need I say more about the 2 second gap?

So…what do I think of it now I’ve done what I’ve been dying to do? Well, most people are given 2 option if they want a hyper fast Evo.

Use this tune, and adapt to the grown up grip
Ignore it and try something else

And I would say to those people, chose option 1. You may not like the understeer (who does?) and you may think you can do better with a 10/90 F/R bias to get the tail out to cure the understeer, but try to live with it. If you do, it can be one hell of a car to drive. And if you’re wondering why I said ‘most people’, it’s because I have option 3. Keep the Emperor in the garage for when I grow to appreciate the safe and steady-ness of it, and get in the CT230R for now and just rack up the miles.
 
rotary junky, am I right in thinking there are some typos on your transmission settings? For example the enzo's max speed is 168, seems a bit conservative ;) a few others are like it too. Also, what does it mean when your parts list includes a 'header'?
 
Oh shut up old man! Now just hurry up with packing and finish off the XJ…
Finish off like put it out of it's misery or finish off tweaking it? :P
Laptime:
HKS CT230R-1:41.769 (RJ tuned, sports soft)
Emperor-1:43.399

It's this that makes me wish the IX could grab 50 or 100 more ponies. Thanks for the comparison! Are the cornering speeds similar for both cars or does the HKS keep a constant higher speed? Less than 2 seconds slower at Fuji with 100 less horsepower sounds like the HKS is just getting away on the straights.

rotary junky, am I right in thinking there are some typos on your transmission settings? For example the enzo's max speed is 168, seems a bit conservative ;) a few others are like it too. Also, what does it mean when your parts list includes a 'header'?

Max speed setting is not the max speed of the car, it's the gearing autoset. Our Enzo is geared to do over 250mph and in the gear ratio screen the geared top speed is something like 280.

Header is what American's call the manifold, so he probably means the exhaust manifold.
 
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rotary junky, am I right in thinking there are some typos on your transmission settings? For example the enzo's max speed is 168, seems a bit conservative ;) a few others are like it too. Also, what does it mean when your parts list includes a 'header'?

The actual top speed is different if I know what you're talking about...
 
Finish off like put it out of it's misery or finish off tweaking it? :P


It's this that makes me wish the IX could grab 50 or 100 more ponies. Thanks for the comparison! Are the cornering speeds similar for both cars or does the HKS keep a constant higher speed? Less than 2 seconds slower at Fuji with 100 less horsepower sounds like the HKS is just getting away on the straights.

Finish tuning it, and you don't I'll put you out your misery :D

And the cornering speeds are actually quite close, as I shall now prove with a very lengthy explanation on what I remember about how the cars perform. The IX going into the 1st corner quicker than the HKS due to the gearbox settings limiting top speed. Exiting the corner the HKS is ahead, and through the 100 R (that sweeping right curve) the HKS is roughly 5-10 mph faster. The IX catches up in the hairpin and is pretty much neck and neck with the HKS until they reach the chicane. The moment they need to brake, the HKS stretches out a lead because of the better brakes. Through that squiggly bit heading up to the straights (You can tell I know this track well, can't you :D), the IX's slight understeer slows it down but still keeps the HKS in its sights. Heading down the straight, the IX is beaten as you said, but that's mostly due to the power…
And breathe!
 
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Max speed setting is not the max speed of the car, it's the gearing autoset. Our Enzo is geared to do over 250mph and in the gear ratio screen the geared top speed is something like 280.

Header is what American's call the manifold, so he probably means the exhaust manifold.

Ah ok my bad ;)
 
Finish tuning it, and you don't I'll put you out your misery :D

And the cornering speeds are actually quite close, as I shall now prove with a very lengthy explanation on what I remember about how the cars perform. The IX going into the 1st corner quicker than the HKS due to the gearbox settings limiting top speed. Exiting the corner the HKS is ahead, and through the 100 R (that sweeping right curve) the HKS is roughly 5-10 mph faster. The IX catches up in the hairpin and is pretty much neck and neck with the HKS until they reach the chicane. The moment they need to brake, the HKS stretches out a lead because of the better brakes. Through that squiggly bit heading up to the straights (You can tell I know this track well, can't you :D), the IX's slight understeer slows it down but still keeps the HKS in its sights. Heading down the straight, the IX is beaten as you said, but that's mostly due to the power…
And breathe!
Come at me bro.

I see. Seems like the IX RM with it's AYC deals with the lower speed sections better but loses out in the higher speed sections, whereas the HKS with it's regular LSD does the complete opposite. I still prefer AYC though. :lol:
 
Hmm…is that just because you get to say 'LOOK GUYS, MY NEW CAR HAS ACTIVE YAW CONTROL!!!!' because I prefer the mechanical-ness of the HKS. Any thoughts on publishing a tune for it (After the break, I know)?
 
You tuned the Skyline R32 and R34, what about the R33 and GTR35 (V-spec) ?
I really want a setup for those cars...
 
Hmm…is that just because you get to say 'LOOK GUYS, MY NEW CAR HAS ACTIVE YAW CONTROL!!!!' because I prefer the mechanical-ness of the HKS. Any thoughts on publishing a tune for it (After the break, I know)?

Nope, I just think it suits the Evo's character and they're more effective at lower speeds.

It's RJ's tune so it's up to RJ if he wants to publish it.
 
You tuned the Skyline R32 and R34, what about the R33 and GTR35 (V-spec) ?
I really want a setup for those cars...

RKM may very well tune the R33 if it is requested, but they will probably not tune the R35 since they do not "like" it.
 
RKM may very well tune the R33 if it is requested, but they will probably not tune the R35 since they do not "like" it.

RJ has an R33 tune but since his PS3 is dead he cant finish it and release it. The R35 can be done as a request but it wont get posted here publically, it would just be PM'd to whoever requests one.
 
RJ has an R33 tune but since his PS3 is dead he cant finish it and release it. The R35 can be done as a request but it wont get posted here publically, it would just be PM'd to whoever requests one.

Why is this "hate" for that car then? You would drive it and tune it for others but not official and public, doesn't make sense to me, well it doesn't have to but I'm curious...
 
No, they've tuned one (which was more than enough) and will just PM that setting to anybody who asks for a tune for that car, regardless of needs and requirements.
 
Is your midnight z a drift tune? If not could you point one my way?
:dopey:

None of the Z cars we've posted are properly drift tunes but they all have the capability to go reliably sideways, though higher speed traction loss is a bit lacking in my Z33 and Roj's Z34... My Z32 has no issues breaking sports softs loose at anywhere from 4000 to 6000rpm mid corner in 3rd or 4th gear if you're rough enough.
 
Waiting for my wheel to give a full review of one of your cars. However i tested the supra yellow hat. Drove it standard for a few laps and then put your settings on, quicker by 2 seconds or so on deep Forrest, think I ran a 1:12 standard and a 1:09.8 with the tune.
 
RJ, on the Devil Z tune, you wrote for the ride height -30/15, does this mean that you lower the front by 30 and the back by 15 or lower the front by 30 and raise the back by 15?
 
I'm reasonably new to drifting and can't seem to find the right car, I've tried the LFA and the rx7 and many more but they all seem either reluctant or over eager. Then someone showed me this and said with a little more power it works well, but I don't know if it's just my technique? Hope this works though :)
 
RJ, on the Devil Z tune, you wrote for the ride height -30/15, does this mean that you lower the front by 30 and the back by 15 or lower the front by 30 and raise the back by 15?

The latter.

I'm reasonably new to drifting and can't seem to find the right car, I've tried the LFA and the rx7 and many more but they all seem either reluctant or over eager. Then someone showed me this and said with a little more power it works well, but I don't know if it's just my technique? Hope this works though :)

Best car I can point you to starting out drifting is an '89 Miata with full engine/intake/exhaust mods, no turbo, stock trans, stock diff or FC unit set to 7/35/5, comfort hard tires. Then play with the suspension until you're happy and comfortable with it. Oh and no ABS, brakes at around 4/2. It's not the world's greatest point-racking machine in proper drift mode and it won't hold huge angles but it's pretty much the best thing since sliced bread as far as noob drift cars go... Powerful enough to get sideways with those tires but not excessively enough to make it difficult to not overthrottle, etc etc.
 
RJ, one more question, can the Esprit tune work on all its variants? And will it handle 710hp? (Ok, maybe an easy one to answer)
 
I've been trying the 370z tune on tsukba and it's a nice car to driftbut sometimes it grips mid corner and I lose my drift, any suggestions on making it a little less grippy?
 
To an extent and yes aside from making it impossible to go WOT out of slower corners without spinning and extending braking distances massively due to the increased accelerative capability. In that order.

Edit: @seafoodbikini: Put worse tires on it. It'll reduce your drifting speed but 90% of the SRS DRIFTERZ YO run comfort hards and tend to ban better tires.
 
Roj, when are you leaving? 1st of July? Because I'm scared that my bread van and boring BMW can't make it in time if PSN is still down here…
 
I dont set any of my cars up for drifting because I have no idea what makes a good drift car. I have a 285bhp Z32 300ZX on comfort hards for drifting and it's still on the stock gearbox, suspension and LSD so yeah. :lol:

Roj, when are you leaving? 1st of July? Because I'm scared that my bread van and boring BMW can't make it in time if PSN is still down here…

5th July.
 
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