Suggestion to fix duping and keep "cheaters" happy

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What would make you happy?

  • Fixing the credit system

    Votes: 77 68.8%

  • Integrate the tax system for gifting

    Votes: 12 10.7%

  • Remove gifting alltogether, I like spending countless days grinding for one car.

    Votes: 23 20.5%
  • Total voters
    112
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AjKnight666
First, the obvious two:
1) Fix the credit/XP system so that we could afford a 20 mill car within 4 hours of gameplay. Currently, you have to grind for 20 hours in daytona to afford it. That's not fair, we're only going to spend so little time with those cars anyway, either for photomode or a bunch of races.
2) Remove the ridiculous 20 mill limit.

Now:
3) Include some sort of a tax system for trading, so we could pay a 5% tax on all incoming or outgoing car tickets. For example, you pay 50,000 credits when trading a Mclaren F1, and 500,000 when trading a 20 mill car.


Does this satisfy both "dupers" and guys who like spending their entire lives grinding? I'm talking about #3.

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Totally ****ed up the calculations lol, you get the point.

20 mill car= 1 million tax
1 mill car= 50, 000 tax

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This thread is not about which side you're on, it's basically what middle solution would you see fit, so we can all be happy.
 
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1. Why should they have to fix "duping" for "Cheaters" of the game to be happy.
2. Tax pay wouldnt work as after they send the car and Get Taxed, All they would have to do is Restore their Save Game and act as nothing has happened.


1b. I agree that they should fix the Credit/XP system more so the Payout and achieving those High Priced cars is more attainable.
1c. Even if they dont remove the 20 Mill Cap, They should Raise it so We can buy a 20Million Car and still have Credits to get another car or Purchase Parts for the car.
 
Andrew9RS
2. Tax pay wouldnt work as after they send the car and Get Taxed, All they would have to do is Restore their Save Game and act as nothing has happened.
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But if they restore their saved game, they wouldn't have the car they received.
 
tdk
But if they restore their saved game, they wouldn't have the car they received.
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I apologize as I overlooked the "incoming" transactions.


But why should we be penalized and have to pay for a "GIFT" from someone as that is the intention of a gift.
 
Same reason I pay money when someone sends me a gift from another country that customs won't let in..

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If it makes you feel better, tax system only works on 1mill+ cars :/
 
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But what If i were sending someone a gift from the same country, I shouldnt be taxed :) I'm starting not to make sense, Nor have I this whole time, It's almost 6am and I havent slept in about 2 days. (Busy at work and Family Troubles :( ) but yeah, I'll check back on this thread after i get some much needed Rest.

Have a goodnight TDK, This thread should bring up some interesting posts.


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btw: I'm not supporting Dupers even though I admit to doing it, It doesnt bother me at all as I really dont rely on duping to have fun. I'm currently 94% Completed, All 60 Golds, 35A 33B

I've gotten my fair shares worth of the game, and as soon as I'm completed i'm starting Fresh on a different PSN ID and starting over to keep me going and brush up on more of my Skills.
 
Option 4. Put it back the way it was and tell PD to pull their finger out and give us more events and do something useful for us for a change.
 
Any solution I can think of has its drawbacks or is too contrived for people to understand (including these solutions).

Ex: A forced trading system where in order to gift a car they have to gift one or two of a certain value back (that screws people who legitimately want to gift).
 
chippy1000
Need an option ''none of the above''.
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No we don't, if you have a different suggestion, you can always post it here.

Andrew9RS
But what If i were sending someone a gift from the same country, I shouldnt be taxed :) I'm starting not to make sense, Nor have I this whole time, It's almost 6am and I havent slept in about 2 days. (Busy at work and Family Troubles :( ) but yeah, I'll check back on this thread after i get some much needed Rest.

Have a goodnight TDK, This thread should bring up some interesting posts.


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btw: I'm not supporting Dupers even though I admit to doing it, It doesnt bother me at all as I really dont rely on duping to have fun. I'm currently 94% Completed, All 60 Golds, 35A 33B

I've gotten my fair shares worth of the game, and as soon as I'm completed i'm starting Fresh on a different PSN ID and starting over to keep me going and brush up on more of my Skills.
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Disabling taxes between two PSN profiles from the same country could be implemented, but why the complexion? It wouldn't be fair anyway.

Also for the record, I don't support dupers myself even though I've done it quite a few times. I would never have had to dupe if the credit system was fair.

PS: I got all the cars I want in the game already, I just think the game being so limited is #@$%#$@. Goodnight.
 
tdk
First, the obvious two:
1) Fix the credit/XP system so that we could afford a 20 mill car within 4 hours of gameplay. Currently, you have to grind for 20 hours in daytona to afford it. That's not fair, we're only going to spend so little time with those cars anyway, either for photomode or a bunch of races.
2) Remove the ridiculous 20 mill limit.

Now:
3) Include some sort of a tax system for trading, so we could pay a 5% tax on all incoming or outgoing car tickets. For example, you pay 50,000 credits when trading a Mclaren F1, and 500,000 when trading a 20 mill car.


Does this satisfy both "dupers" and guys who like spending their entire lives grinding? I'm talking about #3.

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Totally ****ed up the calculations lol, you get the point.

20 mill car= 1 million tax
1 mill car= 50, 000 tax
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We are almost taxed to death IRL, do we want to be taxed in our entertainment too?

Solution - an electronic V.I.N.

Lets face it the "Cars" are actually just code, incorporeal vapourware.

If the main aim of PD, issuing patch 1.07, is to prevent duping of these cars, adding an unique Vehicle Identification Number to the existing code, so that only one version of the car exists, would simply prevent duplication.

However, the gifting of the car, trading of the car or even harvesting the car from an additional account could continue, provided the intention was only to have a single copy of each individual car.

Multiple copies of the car could be owned (different V.I.N.'s of course) just not duped ones. :)
 
Tommy_861
Any solution I can think of has its drawbacks or is too contrived for people to understand (including these solutions).

Ex: A forced trading system where in order to gift a car they have to gift one or two of a certain value back (that screws people who legitimately want to gift).
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Then why don't let everybody use the game the way they want with no restrictions? I don't see any drawbacks in that. Some say trading is dead, and I agree to an extent but then again we wouldn't have to "trade" if the credit system wasn't so cheap. The OCD already offers most of the rare cars people miss in the UCD..

Stephen220378
Option 4. Put it back the way it was and tell PD to pull their finger out and give us more events and do something useful for us for a change.
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That would mean option 1..would it not? Adding more event kind of falls under fixing the credit system.
 
JediRage
What the hell is the tax for? Who's the government here?
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The same "government" you pay credits to when you buy a car in-game :/

Are you serious?
st1gsdad67
We are almost taxed to death IRL, do we want to be taxed in our entertainment too?

Solution - an electronic V.I.N.

Lets face it the "Cars" are actually just code, incorporeal vapourware.

If the main aim of PD, issuing patch 1.07, is to prevent duping of these cars, adding an unique Vehicle Identification Number to the existing code, so that only one version of the car exists, would simply prevent duplication.

However, the gifting of the car, trading of the car or even harvesting the car from an additional account could continue, provided the intention was only to have a single copy of each individual car.

Multiple copies of the car could be owned (different V.I.N.'s of course) just not duped ones. :)
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That could work, but they'd have to re-write the whole game and all of us have to start over, or am I missing something? What about current copies of the car? They could add "number of times traded" but putting a limit on that would destroy the whole purpose -_-
 
(Just a friendly word of advice to the OP, as you're treading on sensitive and controversial ground with this thread. It's not a question as to what I agree or disagree with, but the nature of the thread in general implies that "duping" is "cheating", and the ability to dupe is "wrong" because it needs to be "fixed". Therefore, you're saying "duping" is "wrong". We're all entitled to our opinions, and should be able to express them in a positive and constructive manner. However, the aforementioned nature of this thread might be deemed offensive by some forum members, and could be seen as "flaming"...)

As far as the concept is concerned, despite the negativity I find associated with duping and personal frustration with the massive time involved in grinding, I don't think it's something that could or even should be fixed...

a. Adjusting the credit limit to raise it makes sense outside of the scope of this suggestion, but it's not going to "fix" anything.

b. A "tax" system seems kinda fruitless, because the tricks used to pay for cars but recover the credits used to buy them would also cover the "tax", wouldn't they?

c. Folks deserve the right to choose to play the game however they want. If you're OK with duping, it's you're free choice to do so. If you're not OK with it, it's equally you're free choice not to do so.

Peace...
 
tdk
Then why don't let everybody use the game the way they want with no restrictions? I don't see any drawbacks in that. Some say trading is dead, and I agree to an extent but then again we wouldn't have to "trade" if the credit system wasn't so cheap. The OCD already offers most of the rare cars people miss in the UCD..


That would mean option 1..would it not? Adding more event kind of falls under fixing the credit system.
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Kind of, personally I would restore the trading/gifting/duping/whatever people want to call it system and let people do as they please and play the game they bought the way they want to, it's none of my business how anyone else wants to play the game they paid for and shouldn't be PD or Sonys business either after they've been paid by a consumer. A more important issue is 3 months after buying an incomplete game, all we've been given is patches to implement features that should have been there in the first place, people want more from this extremely shallow game and PD aren't interested in expanding it at all. My issue isn't with the duping, it's with PD's pussyfooting around.
 
strngz0731
(Just a friendly word of advice to the OP, as you're treading on sensitive and controversial ground with this thread. It's not a question as to what I agree or disagree with, but the nature of the thread in general implies that "duping" is "cheating", and the ability to dupe is "wrong" because it needs to be "fixed". Therefore, you're saying "duping" is "wrong". We're all entitled to our opinions, and should be able to express them in a positive and constructive manner. However, the aforementioned nature of this thread might be deemed offensive by some forum members, and could be seen as "flaming"...)

As far as the concept is concerned, despite the negativity I find associated with duping and personal frustration with the massive time involved in grinding, I don't think it's something that could or even should be fixed...

a. Adjusting the credit limit to raise it makes sense outside of the scope of this suggestion, but it's not going to "fix" anything.

b. A "tax" system seems kinda fruitless, because the tricks used to pay for cars but recover the credits used to buy them would also cover the "tax", wouldn't they?

c. Folks deserve the right to choose to play the game however they want. If you're OK with duping, it's you're free choice to do so. If you're not OK with it, it's equally you're free choice not to do so.

Peace...
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Thanks for your concern, but that's why I put the words in quote marks. I'm not exactly pro-duping nor do I encourage it. This thread is based on what I see everywhere which is dupers vs anti-dupers. What am I supposed o call them?

a. It would fix the need to duplicate expensive cars by eliminating the motive.

b. Seems like you didn't read the post well either, the tax applies on incoming cars as well. Forget about the person who gifted the car, it's receiving the car that taxes you. I'll edit the first post.

c. That's what I used to say, but a lot of others seem to go ape**** about the marketplace/trading being dead.

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@Stephen34781238374891

I don't mind, but like I said a lot of people don't like it because they claim it kills the marketplace.
 
tdk
Thanks for your concern, but that's why I put the words in quote marks. I'm not exactly pro-duping nor do I encourage it. This thread is based on what I see everywhere which is dupers vs anti-dupers. What am I supposed o call them?

a. It would fix the need to duplicate expensive cars by eliminating the motive.

b. Seems like you didn't read the post well either, the tax applies on incoming cars as well. Forget about the person who gifted the car, it's receiving the car that taxes you. I'll edit the first post.

c. That's what I used to say, but a lot of others seem to go ape**** about the marketplace/trading being dead.

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@Stephen34781238374891

I don't mind, but like I said a lot of people don't like it because they claim it kills the marketplace.
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There is no real marketplace, not one that was intended by the games developer anyway. What's more important, people being allowed to play a game they paid for the way they like or a made up marketplace suffering?
 
Since they've developed whatever code in the game to differentiate between car prices when gifting/trading, PD should *eventually* come to the sensible conclusion.

Equity.

You have a certain line of "trading power" implemented as a credit limit. It's viewable by those on your friends list, and represents the highest value car you can send. Starts at 1 million, and builds by racing/completing events/hosting remote races. When you use your trade equity to send a car, it drops by the value of the car you sent down to a minimum of 1 million Cr.

With this solution, the rare/expensive cars become tradeable again, but retain their value because you have to earn the right to send/recieve them. The single car per day trading limit could be retained with this system, OR the minimum trading power could be reduced to 0 and the one-per-day restriction could be removed entirely.


Do I expect them to actually realize/implement this solution? Of course not, it makes way too much sense.
 
Stephen220378
There is no real marketplace, not one that was intended by the games developer anyway. What's more important, people being allowed to play a game they paid for the way they like or a made up marketplace suffering?
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Personally? Playing the game however you like. Sadly though, we're stuck with people that don't agree. I'm trying to see whether or not they'd accept something in the middle.



dudeondacouch
Do I expect them to actually realize/implement this solution? Of course not, it makes way too much sense.
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I'd tweak your suggestion a bit but anyway, I'm not here discussing what PD should do really, I gave up on them. 3 cars left to test on the high speed ring and I'm probably not playing GT5 again for a long time. What I'm trying to do here is see what these anti-dupers want really.
 
Stephen220378
Kind of, personally I would restore the trading/gifting/duping/whatever people want to call it system and let people do as they please and play the game they bought the way they want to, it's none of my business how anyone else wants to play the game they paid for and shouldn't be PD or Sonys business either after they've been paid by a consumer. A more important issue is 3 months after buying an incomplete game, all we've been given is patches to implement features that should have been there in the first place, people want more from this extremely shallow game and PD aren't interested in expanding it at all. My issue isn't with the duping, it's with PD's pussyfooting around.
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I think the licence agreement you signed or agreed to, would have a different view of what Sony / PD can do. You have paid for the right to use the game however you see fit, the smallprint will maintain their right(s) to change the product as they see fit. PD made a boob day one, releasing a broken product, they are trying to address the situation. Duping, tick, job done. 👍

Other legitimate reasons for the need to move high value / large quantities of cars about, gifting, trading or farming from multiple accounts, have unfortunately been victim to the widespread constraint PD have applied under patch 1.07 👎

Introduction of a V.I.N. system would correct this oversight, however, as tdk intimated, it may not be possible to implement the system into the current game. :grumpy:
 
st1gsdad67
Introduction of a V.I.N. system would correct this oversight, however, as tdk intimated, it may not be possible to implement the system into the current game. :grumpy:
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The only practical solution for that would be:
1) A HUGE update
2) We'd all have to upload our entire garages, wait for our cars to get a VIN numbers and then re-download them as one gift from PD.

Pretty far fetched.
 
st1gsdad67
I think the licence agreement you signed or agreed to, would have a different view of what Sony / PD can do. You have paid for the right to use the game however you see fit, the smallprint will maintain their right(s) to change the product as they see fit. PD made a boob day one, releasing a broken product, they are trying to address the situation. Duping, tick, job done. 👍

Other legitimate reasons for the need to move high value / large quantities of cars about, gifting, trading or farming from multiple accounts, have unfortunately been victim to the widespread constraint PD have applied under patch 1.07 👎

Introduction of a V.I.N. system would correct this oversight, however, as tdk intimated, it may not be possible to implement the system into the current game. :grumpy:
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It's irrelevant whether they can or can't change contents of a game. Fact is that they shouldn't, people have paid their money and had been playing the game this way for two months. Duping wasn't a problem to anyone, including those people who like to make up reasons for not liking it, they just liked to think it did. When someone pays for a game, any game, they have the right to have access to all of that games content regardless of their skill level, time they have to play it, or what modes they use in the game, duping gave the opportunity for people to do that. Now, if someone dupes a car in Germany, it in no way affects me, you or anyone elses enjoyment of the game so for that reason it should have been left alone.
 
Stephen220378
It's irrelevant whether they can or can't change contents of a game. Fact is that they shouldn't, people have paid their money and had been playing the game this way for two months. Duping wasn't a problem to anyone, including those people who like to make up reasons for not liking it, they just liked to think it did. When someone pays for a game, any game, they have the right to have access to all of that games content regardless of their skill level, time they have to play it, or what modes they use in the game, duping gave the opportunity for people to do that. Now, if someone dupes a car in Germany, it in no way affects me, you or anyone elses enjoyment of the game so for that reason it should have been left alone.
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The duping and sale of "vapourware" cars on e-bay is probably the paramount reason PD imposed this patch upon us.

Either that or they were upset that the level of complaint threads on :gtpflag: had diminished in the last week, since 1.06. :sly:
 
st1gsdad67
The duping and sale of "vapourware" cars on e-bay is probably the paramount reason PD imposed this patch upon us.

Either that or they were upset that the level of complaint threads on :gtpflag: had diminished in the last week, since 1.06. :sly:
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Let's be honest, if anyone is stupid enough to actually pay real money on e-bay for cars that, well, don't really exist then that's their problem. I'd say it has everything to do with people whining about how they've put in X amount of hours playing the game and don't have an X1 while someone who bought the game two days ago does, people who spend too much time stressing about what everyone else is doing.
 
tw99
Dont care about anyone being happy, I say wipe all dupes and ban them from PSN.
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If that's the case, I'd recommend banning you from life and then say I don't care about you being unhappy with it. I ought to report your post as spam to be honest, but meh.


Stephen220378
It's irrelevant whether they can or can't change contents of a game. Fact is that they shouldn't, people have paid their money and had been playing the game this way for two months. Duping wasn't a problem to anyone, including those people who like to make up reasons for not liking it, they just liked to think it did. When someone pays for a game, any game, they have the right to have access to all of that games content regardless of their skill level, time they have to play it, or what modes they use in the game, duping gave the opportunity for people to do that. Now, if someone dupes a car in Germany, it in no way affects me, you or anyone elses enjoyment of the game so for that reason it should have been left alone.
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Can we not turn this into a "Are you with or against duping" thread please?
 
tdk
If that's the case, I'd recommend banning you from life and then say I don't care about you being unhappy with it. I ought to report your post as spam to be honest, but meh.



Can we not turn this into a "Are you with or against duping" thread please?
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Sorry OP, I am against duping. 👎

However, the thread is titled "Suggestion to fix duping and keep "cheaters" happy"
 

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