Suggestion to fix duping and keep "cheaters" happy
- Thread starter tdk
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ive said it before, bring back the GT2 system, 99,999,999 limit, free cars after certain races, licenses required for some races, then u dont even need trading. and just make some of these more expensive cars downloadable content. id pay $5 (REAL money not credits obviously) for a redbull x2010. i like that idea, if i could buy the ridiculously expensive cars for about 5 bucks american id be ok with that, wudnt hafta grind, wudnt hafta dupe and then PD can make more scratch to employ better coders that dont take 4 years to make a half baked racing game. see everybody wins
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There was nothing wrong with the system before 1.07 (read on first), I used duping to buy expensive cars from dealerships without spending any money, this new thing is total 🤬 for anyone else who does that, and i can't be bothered to sit there grinding away for every time a nice car shows up in the UCD, this is not cheating, its just saving time!
Simple fix, set things back to how they were on GT4, something like max Cr.600,000,000 and you can sell any car, including stuff like X1s, Doing the same races over and over cause the pay is 🤬 is just lame, even in b-spec
Simple fix, set things back to how they were on GT4, something like max Cr.600,000,000 and you can sell any car, including stuff like X1s, Doing the same races over and over cause the pay is 🤬 is just lame, even in b-spec
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- G-D Luxembourg
- GTP_Vince_Fiero
Tax does not help against duping (I have experience, Belgians know how to avoid tax)
1) Create safe
2) Buy car
3) Send car and pay tax
4) go back to safed version (purchase of car and tax are back)
if you really duplicate the car, just drop step 2.
1) Create safe
2) Buy car
3) Send car and pay tax
4) go back to safed version (purchase of car and tax are back)
if you really duplicate the car, just drop step 2.
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tdk
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- AjKnight666
Because just like you, they paid their hard earned money to buy the game. Actually, it seems to me they're the only ones that paid "hard earned money". I don't see how all of you that grind 8-10 hours a day can have a job, or friends.Why do they have to please cheaters?
Yeah, which means if you're pro/against duping, would the tax thing please you?
It isn't about justifying your opinion really. Just finding a middle solution.
......You get taxed when receiving the car, not sending it -_-
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- st1gsdad67
Cheaters should have their hands detatched from their arms. Cheaters are not "Hard Earning" as the name implies, they're CHEATING!
I'm Level 38½ A Spec (only had the game since Christmas Day). I have a full time Job, family commitments etc., yet still manage to fit in the time to "grind". I pay tax IRL and not gonna pay tax in a game
There is no middle ground with regard cheating, PD have seen to that, others are suffering because of this (legitimate traders, those who gift and those who farm additional accounts).
Expect PD, with patch 1.08 to quickly close the Gift Ticket loophole that remains in 1.07. 👍
I don't have a solution and until recently PD didn't have either, my point is PD are also affecting legitimate users of the game, who don't require to cheat in order to acheive their specific goal.
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- alexlmx6 & GTP_AlexL
- alexlmx6
Why do you feel that people have a right to access all content of the game just because they paid for a licence? By that logic, anybody with enough money to buy an F1 car should be allowed to race in any Grand Prix, even if they have no skill or experience.
It's PD's game, nobody else's. If you are no longer happy with it, you are free to sell it.
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- strngz0731
It's not so much a question of the "terminology/labels/whatever" used, it's a question of the potential assumptions created by the way things were stated. (Especially on a "hot" topic like this one, despite what's written, or even the intent of what's written, it's not fun when the opportunity exists for misinterpretation that leads to clashing. That's all...)
1a. If the motive involves avoiding the time it takes to earn the credits to purchase the cars with credits as designed within the standard game parameters, then a change to the credit limit won't impact the motive.
2a. No, I got it. If you're using two PSNs to bounce cars back and forth, and you're using save files to restore game progress in order to buy cars but end up with a 100% credit refund, it doesn't matter if both PSN IDs get charged a tax (although a "trade processing fee" sounds a little more pallatable) because if you're active buying cars on both accounts and swapping them at will, you're still saving the credits from not having to see them go when you get the car.
3a. "Meh." Trading, to me, is OK enough at best, but not terribly important (as I've done one trade, a second Formula Gran Turismo I got from a gift ticket for some paint).
This thread, as I kinda expected, turned out to be a bit of a "pro-dupe versus anti-dupe flame-fest". What a shame, as it could've been a reasonable discussion about suggested game improvement.
Peace...
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- st1gsdad67
PD realised they're, "no as canny, as we Scots"
They missed the boat on that one, three months in, DLC still unreleased, others trading on e-bay, DOH.
Blame the OP mate. If you are gonna accuse a section of the forum of 'cheating' you are starting the trend.
- The game has been out now for 3 months. Everyone should have a garage full of fantastic cars whether they grinded/duped them or not.
- With the addition of the host's ability to restrict performance points, HP limits, weight regulations, tire regulations... etc., etc., etc... It doesn't really matter if one guy has 10 different cars for x-horsepower/weight range compared to another guy's 2 or 3.
- It's simply not worth crying over. Dupers do not have an advantage in a room with a host who is halfway intelligent. They aren't really "cheating" in the end if they can't use their "free" cars to compete against you, or if their "free" cars don't actually present an advantage over someone else's cars. Like I said, everyone has exceptional garages at this point whether they duped them or not. The playing field is level whether you want to accept it or not, and this non-issue is not worth dragging around for months on end.
- With the addition of the host's ability to restrict performance points, HP limits, weight regulations, tire regulations... etc., etc., etc... It doesn't really matter if one guy has 10 different cars for x-horsepower/weight range compared to another guy's 2 or 3.
- It's simply not worth crying over. Dupers do not have an advantage in a room with a host who is halfway intelligent. They aren't really "cheating" in the end if they can't use their "free" cars to compete against you, or if their "free" cars don't actually present an advantage over someone else's cars. Like I said, everyone has exceptional garages at this point whether they duped them or not. The playing field is level whether you want to accept it or not, and this non-issue is not worth dragging around for months on end.
tdk
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- AjKnight666
I'm sorry but whether you like them or not, they paid for the game too and so far they're more than 60% of the voters on the poll. Now, learn to like it and look for a solution to satisfy both parties.Cheaters should have their hands detatched from their arms. Cheaters are not "Hard Earning" as the name implies, they're CHEATING!
I'm Level 38½ A Spec (only had the game since Christmas Day). I have a full time Job, family commitments etc., yet still manage to fit in the time to "grind". I pay tax IRL and not gonna pay tax in a game
There is no middle ground with regard cheating, PD have seen to that, others are suffering because of this (legitimate traders, those who gift and those who farm additional accounts).
Expect PD, with patch 1.08 to quickly close the Gift Ticket loophole that remains in 1.07. 👍
I don't have a solution and until recently PD didn't have either, my point is PD are also affecting legitimate users of the game, who don't require to cheat in order to acheive their specific goal.
I'm confused by your last two statements, so you want the 1 million limit thing lifted or not?
I'd really like to point out the idiocy in your post but I don't want this to be a discussion of duping vs no duping.
If you had to find a middle ground solution now, what would you do?
No because then they'd have to cut down the other cars' prices. The game would be too easy for new players. Handing out more credits in the professional/extreme series would be better.
I get your point, but what was I supposed to name them? This isn't a rhetorical question.
1a. The motive isn't to completely eliminate the time needed to purchase the car. It's saving time, that's all. I highly doubt someone would go through the trouble of making threads, asking for cars and adding friends, etc just to avoid 3-4 hours of gameplay. If you want, I could make a new thread and ask dupers why do they it, and what their solution would be.
2a. You lost me. Say I have PSN A, and PSN B. PSN A sends a 10 mill car to PSN B, then restores his saved file and everything is back to normal. PSN B clicks "receive all" and gets taxed simultaneously. How would restoring PSN B's saved game help? He'd get his money back but not the car. The point of this whole thing is NOT to receive gifts without paying for it. So it would be like buying a second hand car..
3a. Yeah that's your opinion. I quite frankly don't care anymore about GT5, I've finished my time trials last night. I just want to know what other players would see fit to be a fair solution.
As for the last part, sadly yes. There's no way around it -.-
tdk
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- AjKnight666
I didn't accuse anyone, I've duped quite a few times myself :/
I'm sorry if it tickles the finger happy spammers, but there's nothing to label dupers that wouldn't have resulted in the same consequence.
I have all the cars I want, and I'm pretty much done with the game. What about new players? Not everybody bought it on release date /facepalm
Anti-dupers' main problem was the death of the marketplace not online mode.
So, are you pro or against 1.07? If you were to make both dupers and #@!% people happy, what would be your wonderful solution?
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Mods, please merge. Sorry for the double post.
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I think the portion of 1.07 this thread refers to is an exercise in denial. The game's AI, credit system, and the progression of that credit system, have all been negligently designed. I think they tried to do something witty with the whole UCD and trading/gifting options, etc., which are fine ideas, but they failed when it came to thinking them through.
Example: The A-Spec AI is so horrendous that I for one only race seasonals at this point to earn credits. I don't do it because it feels like racing, because it doesn't. It's monotony, and any event which is intentionally designed so that you go from 12th to 1st within three laps is a failure in a racing simulation context.
So, what is the other option then? B-Spec? B-Spec is another non-racing feature of the game which is a pointless part of the whole package. It earns credits, but it has nothing to do with real racing or "real driving simulation". I am level 37 in B-Spec and I have participated in all of five total races where I gave my Bob instructions. The rest of the time the races were running while I was at work. Why? Because the credit system is a failure and that's what I chose to do over grinding Indy or any other race with hours of my free time.
But we have one more option if we don't like the A-Spec AI or the B-Spec non-driving, it's the online racing. They failed miserably here as well because it doesn't pay out anything at all. First place will buy you a set of racing soft tires? Wow. That really goes a long way toward a 5,000,000 Formula GT now doesn't it?
They have boxed their customers in, and the reactions people have had to this are expected in my opinion. "What's my wonderful solution?" implies that you expect me to rattle off some simple little thing that I'd expect to fix everything. We're talking about a multi-FUBAR'd design issue. Many things need rethinking to make it reasonable.
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- st1gsdad67
To tdk (not going to quote as the thread is too long as it is)
I would like to see the ban lifted, in order to continue legitimate gifting of any car in the game, as Kaz intended from day one.
However, PD have not yet released any DLC three months in. With patch 1.07 they have closed a method for others to earn money from their "hard work" (selling vapourware on e-bay). PD are unlikely to make much more money from any possible future paid for DLC with the unrestricted gifting of cars, as any DLC could quickly be duped and sold on e-bay too, undercutting PD.
Cheaters should not require to be satisfied by either PD or myself. I have no further need to look for a solution. I have already suggested one fairly foolproof method, to prevent duplication of cars. Whether it can be implemented within the current game is PDs' headache.
Many posters have been left in the lurch by PD, having gifted high value cars to friends, which now cannot be returned until the ban is lifted or a curfew imposed. I have four cars I may never see again all 20M Cr. In my view, this reaction by PD is entirely down to duping of cars
You intimate that 60% of the people who voted in your poll are cheaters. Yet this confession was not included as one the of the poll options. Some non-cheaters may have inadvertently clicked on this option simply because they agree that the current credit system is wrong. I have not voted as none of the options are relevant to my feelings on patch 1.07
I'm off now to go and do some grinding
enjoy your day
I would like to see the ban lifted, in order to continue legitimate gifting of any car in the game, as Kaz intended from day one.
However, PD have not yet released any DLC three months in. With patch 1.07 they have closed a method for others to earn money from their "hard work" (selling vapourware on e-bay). PD are unlikely to make much more money from any possible future paid for DLC with the unrestricted gifting of cars, as any DLC could quickly be duped and sold on e-bay too, undercutting PD.
Cheaters should not require to be satisfied by either PD or myself. I have no further need to look for a solution. I have already suggested one fairly foolproof method, to prevent duplication of cars. Whether it can be implemented within the current game is PDs' headache.
Many posters have been left in the lurch by PD, having gifted high value cars to friends, which now cannot be returned until the ban is lifted or a curfew imposed. I have four cars I may never see again all 20M Cr. In my view, this reaction by PD is entirely down to duping of cars
You intimate that 60% of the people who voted in your poll are cheaters. Yet this confession was not included as one the of the poll options. Some non-cheaters may have inadvertently clicked on this option simply because they agree that the current credit system is wrong. I have not voted as none of the options are relevant to my feelings on patch 1.07
I'm off now to go and do some grinding
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- st1gsdad67
Folks
The 1M Cr. cap has been lifted, shift those expensive cars before this is changed, or curfew ended. 👍
The limit to one car per day per PS3 remains.
ps Watch what you say, PD appear to be listening.
Now, back to more grinding
The 1M Cr. cap has been lifted, shift those expensive cars before this is changed, or curfew ended. 👍
The limit to one car per day per PS3 remains.
ps Watch what you say, PD appear to be listening.
Now, back to more grinding
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But what If i were sending someone a gift from the same country, I shouldnt be taxed) but yeah, I'll check back on this thread after i get some much needed Rest.
Have a goodnight TDK, This thread should bring up some interesting posts.
Not sure how things work in your country, but in the US there is an upper limit on tax free gifts.
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- st1gsdad67
There was nothing wrong with the system before 1.07 (read on first), I used duping to buy expensive cars from dealerships without spending any money, this new thing is total 🤬 for anyone else who does that, and i can't be bothered to sit there grinding away for every time a nice car shows up in the UCD, this is not cheating, its just saving time!
Simple fix, set things back to how they were on GT4, something like max Cr.600,000,000 and you can sell any car, including stuff like X1s, Doing the same races over and over cause the pay is 🤬 is just lame, even in b-spec
1) Remove the Credit cap (20 million Cr. doesn't feel like enough)
2) Increase Credit Payouts
2) Sell any car
4) A reworked UCD that has ALL cars available instead of cycling through 6 each game day, or a serachable UCD.
All cars will eventually be Premium (we hope). Would PD put these Standard to Premium cars into the Dealership and price them accordingly with no mileage? (If this happens, #4 won't be needed)
Someone here did the math and stated you'd need ~440 million Cr. to buy 1 of each car.
If all the dupers wanted was all the cars, give the ability to earn and bank all the money needed.
Permanent higher payouts for A and B-spec, more high paying seasonals, more races with different cars (I liked the Schwimmwagen race, it was with a car I'd never buy otherwise)
Gifting should remain as it is, a gift you give to a friend. Keep the current 1 gift a day, or even increase it to 1 a week. But...
ALSO add a trading system that has both parties online at the same time, like an MMO. (Would curb some of the duping)
They're both present, they both agree on the cars to trade, they both place the cars into an actual trading function, and they both accept. Throw in an "Are you Sure?" final confirmation window so either side can back out and not lose anything. (I don't think PD likes the idea of trading credits, usually these trades have and Item and Money part).
If this trade system happens, lock down the gamesaves (can't copy)
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- dabest2500
Fix the credit system.
NO tax system.
I want to gift cars to friends for free.
NO tax system.
I want to gift cars to friends for free.
I hate to say this, but a certain other racing game has a credit reward system that is very similar to GT3. I didn't hear about complaints of having to grind a lot in that game. It was part of the game and there was nothing that could be done to change it. Either that or I never frequented the correct forums!
To be honest there is no easy solution to this and PD's reaction is something of a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. In the process upsetting a fair number of potential buyers of GT6.
To be honest there is no easy solution to this and PD's reaction is something of a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. In the process upsetting a fair number of potential buyers of GT6.
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- LaughlynVaughns
We were talking about this last night and, and thought that the best way to enable everyone to have a shot at getting some of the expensive cars, not awarded as a prize car woul dbe to have a special seasonal event where a high value car is used in races and then offered as the prize, a combination of teh X1 challenge and seasonal event.
But obviosuly dont make it too difficult like the X1 challenge.
example, for the Miura, have a lamborghini themed Seasonal event using the Miura around roma, the tuscan night track from grand tour n a couple other tracks.
Make it liek teh original seasonal events where its tough to get 1st but with some right tuning you can achieve it and yoiur reward for first is the car.
But obviosuly dont make it too difficult like the X1 challenge.
example, for the Miura, have a lamborghini themed Seasonal event using the Miura around roma, the tuscan night track from grand tour n a couple other tracks.
Make it liek teh original seasonal events where its tough to get 1st but with some right tuning you can achieve it and yoiur reward for first is the car.
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- Cytoria
Hi all,
First please forgive about my english, I'm french and I hope I don't make many mistakes...
I won't enter the debate on pro or vs duping. I don't really mind about duping, I did it myself sometimes. I don't think this is cheating, but it's clearly not the right way to actually play the game.
A lot of the dupers in the marketplace use this trick to collect rare cars in special colors, and we couldn't blame them for that because this is the only way to do it due to the game system. Especially when Kaz himself talk about GT4 and GT5 as a car collector or car museum. Dupers do exactly what he wanted his game to be...
If I won't dupe, how I am able to obtain all the cars ? There is only two ways : grinding, with 20 hours of left turns and straight lines to obtain only one of the 20,000,000 Cr cars, or win the seasonal events high payouts. But as I play, the UCD changes and if I need 1,000,000 more for an LMP, the time I grind, the car is no more in there...
This is what upset me the most in this update : if I can't dupe the cars anymore, the only way to have them is to have high payout and access to the cars. So... WHY do they not update the OCD and the seasonal this week ? This sounds like a real punishment for me !
I want to buy all the cars, maybe in all the colors (I did this in GT4 already) but I simply can't now. GT3 has it the right way : 4 random prize cars and random colors for each. Even without the trick or saving and reloading game save before the last race, it allows people to obtain more of the cars. And if we already have a copy of the car, then we could sell it to earn money. This makes the game more replayable. At least if they don't want to change the whole prize system, allow us to sell the cars and win them again. Until now there always was a cash cow in each GT. In GT1 it was the Autumn Mini with street cars (50 000 in 5 min, but with the 6 highest priced car at 500 000 per each special model). GT2 has the RedRock Speed 12. GT3 has the european championship with the Vertigo, GT4 has DTM, El Capitan enduro B-spec... Even GT5 Prologue has the F40 mission which make 50 000 in 2 min and only the F2007 at 2 000 000 Cr was hard to buy.
They should at least resize the payout of the races or make more seasonal events. Maybe make seasonal with a rare car prize. But if they don't, then duping remains the only way for casual players or just people who doesn't want to grind to enjoy the cars they want.
Just think about that : even if duping is not cheating, copying saves, use 15 subaccounts, or the birthday glich is NOT playing ! I guess even the dupers would rather play the game and do some trades than make scheduled account subscriptions, 20 data save a day and all the stuff !
First please forgive about my english, I'm french and I hope I don't make many mistakes...
I won't enter the debate on pro or vs duping. I don't really mind about duping, I did it myself sometimes. I don't think this is cheating, but it's clearly not the right way to actually play the game.
A lot of the dupers in the marketplace use this trick to collect rare cars in special colors, and we couldn't blame them for that because this is the only way to do it due to the game system. Especially when Kaz himself talk about GT4 and GT5 as a car collector or car museum. Dupers do exactly what he wanted his game to be...
If I won't dupe, how I am able to obtain all the cars ? There is only two ways : grinding, with 20 hours of left turns and straight lines to obtain only one of the 20,000,000 Cr cars, or win the seasonal events high payouts. But as I play, the UCD changes and if I need 1,000,000 more for an LMP, the time I grind, the car is no more in there...
This is what upset me the most in this update : if I can't dupe the cars anymore, the only way to have them is to have high payout and access to the cars. So... WHY do they not update the OCD and the seasonal this week ? This sounds like a real punishment for me !
I want to buy all the cars, maybe in all the colors (I did this in GT4 already) but I simply can't now. GT3 has it the right way : 4 random prize cars and random colors for each. Even without the trick or saving and reloading game save before the last race, it allows people to obtain more of the cars. And if we already have a copy of the car, then we could sell it to earn money. This makes the game more replayable. At least if they don't want to change the whole prize system, allow us to sell the cars and win them again. Until now there always was a cash cow in each GT. In GT1 it was the Autumn Mini with street cars (50 000 in 5 min, but with the 6 highest priced car at 500 000 per each special model). GT2 has the RedRock Speed 12. GT3 has the european championship with the Vertigo, GT4 has DTM, El Capitan enduro B-spec... Even GT5 Prologue has the F40 mission which make 50 000 in 2 min and only the F2007 at 2 000 000 Cr was hard to buy.
They should at least resize the payout of the races or make more seasonal events. Maybe make seasonal with a rare car prize. But if they don't, then duping remains the only way for casual players or just people who doesn't want to grind to enjoy the cars they want.
Just think about that : even if duping is not cheating, copying saves, use 15 subaccounts, or the birthday glich is NOT playing ! I guess even the dupers would rather play the game and do some trades than make scheduled account subscriptions, 20 data save a day and all the stuff !
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