Qualifying laps online are possible!!!

TeddyBear-420

TeddyBear-420

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Teddy_Bear-420
Everyone keeps complaining about this but you can do this. Event Settings>Start type: Grid Start.Grid Order>Fastest First. while people are doing free runs their times place them on the grid from fastest to slowest. i say do 3-5 laps depending on track before the race starts. you now did Qualifying laps.
 
Was wondering about that. Thanks for putting 2 & 2 together Teddy. So many complaints from the online-racing groups about having to do rolling starts because they can never get the grid the way they want. Now we know why!

No Midnight the vast majority of us were clueless.
 
ashes619
I believe so. But some didn't know about this which is why Teddy brought it up.
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Thank you Ashes. im bringing this up due to the fact that every lobby i host complain i dont start the race as soon as they join. then i go on to tell them we are qualifying take a few laps. 9 out of 10 argue with me claiming we cant qualify. then i mention or positions while in free ride, they claim its our current position on the track. so for all of you that do not know.
 
friedi
its not really a qually...

if you want you can set the slowest as first.... etc
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-raVer-
Thats pretty crap because everyone stays in Pit then or lurks around the track. ;)


raVer
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i love it when they do this. i just nail it the wrong way round the track and i'm guaranteed a first place start. easy pickings.

plus, at the green hell, it means i can test my maximum gearing for the straight.
 
Maybe the confusion lies with the fact that while lap times are saved and remembered by the game for qualifying purposes, the display order on the right side of the page is in order of eithe best lap time or track position of your current stint. In other words, if you do a 1:00 at GVE and it's the fastest lap, go into the pits, make some changes and come back out, the game will remember your fastest lap and put you on pole, but the display on the right will show you as in last place because when you come out the second time, you are displayed as that current position on the track and/or qualifying time, not your previous qualifying time.

Why someone would design a racing sim, supposedly the greatest in the world, and not simply display the starting order on the right, with your lap time beside it, is beyond me, but that's how it is.
 
Johnnypenso
Maybe the confusion lies with the fact that while lap times are saved and remembered by the game for qualifying purposes, the display order on the right side of the page is in order of eithe best lap time or track position of your current stint. In other words, if you do a 1:00 at GVE and it's the fastest lap, go into the pits, make some changes and come back out, the game will remember your fastest lap and put you on pole, but the display on the right will show you as in last place because when you come out the second time, you are displayed as that current position on the track and/or qualifying time, not your previous qualifying time.

Why someone would design a racing sim, supposedly the greatest in the world, and not simply display the starting order on the right, with your lap time beside it, is beyond me, but that's how it is.
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This is mostly accurate, but there's a sort of loophole in it. I learned something during a practice race for the Monaco GP regarding how the game lines us up on the grid for a race. When we do the Capp races people return to the lounge after they've done their qualifying runs, other people go out to qualify and then return to the lounge, yet it has started us in the correct order every time. BUT.....during the Monaco race tonight I hit the Start Race button while I was on the track and Owens and Wardez were in the pits. I was classified 1st on the leaderboard even though I was 3-5 seconds off Wardez's time. They stayed in the pits during the countdown, but sure enough when the race started I was on the pole.

My conclusion is that you're position on the track seems to over-ride your fastest lap time, which doesn't really make sense. For the Capp races, I have everyone leave the track after qualifying, then return to the pits and stay there during the race countdown; since nobody is on track (more specificially a timed lap) it works fine. But if somebody were tocross the start line at the end of their "out lap" they would then be ranked by their position/time relative to the other cars on the track instead of the fastest time of the session.

It really makes no sense and is by far not a perfect system. It has caused a lot of discussion and debate in the online racing forum and most people think the only way to make it work right is doing a manual grid line-up where everyone stops on track in their desired starting order and then the "start race" button is pushed. That probably is the only sure-fire way to make it work properly, but if you're with a group of drivers who can follow a few simple rules (stay in the pits until the race start countdown finishes) then it's not always necessary.
 
Interesting. I've never really noticed this happening in online races but then again, in open lobbies I'm usually on the pole so I don't know what's happening behind me...lol.

If you think about it, of all the muck ups in GT5, the inability to make a proper, consistent, predictable qualifing run for a race and the lack of a proper display of qualifying order with lap times is definitely one of the most glaring faults of this game. It's almost as if we are supposed to overlook this stuff because the cars and scenery are so pretty.
 
Not everyone has had the game for ages. And not everyone realizes how qualifying works, until they've had experience with it.

It baffled me before I figured out what was going on.

So yeah, I think this is a good topic, and has some posts that are very informative & explanatory.

Thing is, if you have an actual qualifying race... I think even the next race on the same track it will take the results from the last race for starting order... I don't think qualifying again on the track will change that.
But if you load a new track, (or change & change back to load the same track)... and allow people to qualify again, it will take the new qualifying for grid position, not the last race.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?
 
Its been like this since day 1. People really arent very clever sometimes. I always check the pp/limits on a room then rules to see about TCS etc. And i'l always go out for quali laps. Even if its not set to fastest first just because i want practice and to pit myself agsinst everyone else

@watermelon, it only does that if you set it to reverse grid based on previous race. Then you just get people who can stick on pole every time so it seems like a glitch
 
shoeface33
@watermelon, it only does that if you set it to reverse grid based on previous race. Then you just get people who can stick on pole every time so it seems like a glitch
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Okay... but here's the thing. "reverse grid" works even if you haven't had a race yet. For example, if you have it set to "reverse grid"... and people do qualifying laps in free run, their position when the race is started, seems to be based upon putting the person who made the worst lap time right up in front, and the person who did, is in last.
Or am I dreaming this and it's just a coincidence?

But I do know that no matter what it's set to - fastest 1st or reverse grid... If someone doesn't complete a qualifying lap at all, they will wind up positioned as if they made the worst lap time. That's why if you join a shuffle room right before the race starts & don't complete a lap, you'll be shoved on pole... unless someone joins after you, then they are 1st on the grid.

All this of course can be avoided by, as I think Stigshero described above, having qualifying laps and then everyone staying in the pit (not hitting drive), & waiting for the race to start there.

And well, people can make ridiculous comments making it sound like they think everyone ought to pop out of the womb knowing these things... :rolleyes: But for weeks playing online.. I didn't even know that worked. For awhile, I'd only participated in organized races where there was an actual qualifying race, so I had no need to know.
It's not like that means someone is stupid. It's not like I got all the answers wrong on an exam I studied for... since none of this is explained clearly in the gt5 manual!!! You can only find it out with experience or if someone else who's had experience explains it to you.

The additional benefit I have heard of having everyone stay in the pit & not hit drive, is that having all the cars in or around the pit (rather than scattered about the track), is reported to reduce the incident of "black screen" or other race start lag glitches. I have no clue if there's any veracity to this theory, as I think mainly black screen is caused by cache neglect. But on the off chance it might be helpful, I think it's worth it to just make it a habit in organized online races. In the effort to have fair fun races, why not just take a prophylactic approach as a matter of habit, even if it's only the off chance that it might prevent something un-fun from happening.
 
TeddyBear-420
Everyone keeps complaining about this but you can do this. Event Settings>Start type: Grid Start.Grid Order>Fastest First. while people are doing free runs their times place them on the grid from fastest to slowest. i say do 3-5 laps depending on track before the race starts. you now did Qualifying laps.
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I'm going to be lazy and not read the whole thread. People know about this, but this isn't really qualifying.

You have traffic, and since there is no limit on laps, the fastest laps might just come from the guy who drove the longest (least fuel weight).

What we need is a mode where everyone takes the track at once, but every other car is invisible and crashes disabled. The qualify goes on until someone crosses the line, then a time counts down from a minute or so and waits for everyone else to finish the lap.
 
What would be really nice if pd could implement a qualifying mode like in gt4 where we have 10 - 30 mins to put in our fastest lap. The lobby then remembers the order of players and the host then can start the race. But this probably will be implemented further down the line in Gt5's life as a patch
 
D00msday
But if you exit the track, then your time gets cleared, I think...
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No, I'm 99.999999% certain, that your best lap recorded is not forgotten if you enter the pit, exit to the pit, or exit out to the lobby.
In my experience, even if the person who sets the best lap record, exits to the lounge while I'm still on the track, their best time record stays there & never leaves unless the track is reset (by loading another track & reloading the track back). I'm pretty certain from my experience, that everyone's best time is remembered, even after they've exited to the lounge.

Update: I might also mention that even if the person who set the best lap time leaves the lobby/lounge completely - their best lap time stays.
I know this because sometimes in my lounge, I have someone set a good time on a track, and then they leave, but I continue to use their best lap and sector times as reference.
 
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In WSCC-league, we are looking for a solution since a long time. Each time we found something, we finally discovered on a next test it didn't work.

For the moment, the following procedure has been used 4 times and didn't yet "bug".

- Start with free practice.
- Reset all times by changing and rechanging the track
- 10 minutes qualifying: everybody stays on track, interdiction to go back to the lounge or to go to the pits using the exit button.
- after 10 minutes, host pushes on start button while everyone is on track.

By the way, we found out there are less lag problem when we disable voice chat.
 
watermelonpunch
No, I'm 99.999999% certain, that your best lap recorded is not forgotten if you enter the pit, exit to the pit, or exit out to the lobby.
In my experience, even if the person who sets the best lap record, exits to the lounge while I'm still on the track, their best time record stays there & never leaves unless the track is reset (by loading another track & reloading the track back). I'm pretty certain from my experience, that everyone's best time is remembered, even after they've exited to the lounge.
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What she said ^^^
 
turbogeit
For the moment, the following procedure has been used 4 times and didn't yet "bug".

- Start with free practice.
- Reset all times by changing and rechanging the track
- 10 minutes qualifying: everybody stays on track, interdiction to go back to the lounge or to go to the pits using the exit button.
- after 10 minutes, host pushes on start button while everyone is on track
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Okay...
But what exactly about this procedure allows for the recorded time to supersede the position on the track?

Or do you think that's not true at all?

And if it doesn't... maybe it's because when you give this time to qualify, everyone does their best, and they wind up in the correct order on the track, according to their lap times? So is it possible that you THINK the game is ordering the grid by record lap times, but in reality, it's using position on the track - and that just happens to be a coincidence that they're the same?

And if that's the case... How would you know for sure that everyone is ordered on the track in the order they ought to be. That nobody is hanging back, or that nobody has ran someone with a better time off the road & passed them before the race starts?
In that situation, someone with the best record, might not wind up at 1st on the grid.
And I think that happens too - because I've seen it.

And have you tried the method that Stigshero describes in his post? And if so what went wrong when you did it that way?
 

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