GT5 Used Car Database [in progress]

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I have noted that ML1 has been missing for some time the game days I'm on.

Recently I started to store my UCD on a spreadsheet and so far I have saved for my personal racing days from 1677 to 1705. The days are not synced to the ML1. Also I missed some cars on day 1682 and 1683.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAFX0SzjUo3dF84VktpeHVrTHpWSmpCSnJ0aVRwMEE

Hope this will help you building up the ML1.

Does there exist any complete ML1 at least up until day 1673?
 
famSpannar, yes, it will help -- as soon as we know what your offset to the main list is. Can you start a new game on your ps3 (on a different account) and tell us what your day 1 UCD looks like (the top 6 cars should be enough). Thanks 👍
 
segovia
famSpannar, yes, it will help -- as soon as we know what your offset to the main list is. Can you start a new game on your ps3 (on a different account) and tell us what your day 1 UCD looks like (the top 6 cars should be enough). Thanks 👍
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This was my top 8 cars:
Mercedes-Benz SLK230 Kompressor '98
Ford Focus Rally Car '99
Mazda RX-7 Type R-S (FD) '95
Audi Abt Audi TT-R Touring Car #9 '02
Toyota Vitz U Euro Sport Edition '00
Mazda Demio GL-X '99
Mazda MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA) '97
Nissan Silvia Q's Aero (S14) '93

and it gave this match on GT5cars.net:
http://gt5cars.net/used_car_searches/1920002

Not sure how to see what offset I have. Could it be 28 (168/6)?
 
Ok, so you're actually on list #2. Your day 1 starts with the last car from day 31 on that list (car #186). Your offset is then 30 days + 5 cars.

There's a bit of an overlap with what is already there, but not much (starting at car #10382 -- but it looks like you might have skipped a day, i.e. cars #10386 to #10391 are missing from your list). So most of your list will be a valuable addition to the database!
 
Thanks for the clarification.

Last time I tried to find a match in GT5Cars.net UCD I couldn't find my days but now actually do that.

http://gt5cars.net/used_car_searches/104520002

You're might be right about me missing a day. As when I started to record the cars I noted the racing days on the save file. But when I checked the racing days before submitting to this forum I noted that it differed a day.
 
Sorry for the absence...alot going on for me.

Major update completed with everything that has been posted up to this point. I'm pretty sure I got everything included but let me know if something is missing.

We are down to one missing car in Master List #1! (I'm very skeptical regarding the Buick)
Nissan - GT-R Concept LM Race Car
 
I wrote to the person concerning the Buick Special, to try to find out on what list they were and around what day they saw it, but I never got a response, unfortunately.
 
Are all game days created equal? I have been watching my UCD for over a week, not exactly sure how many game days have gone by since I've been looking closely at my UCD, however it must be easily over 100.

So, I've never seen a ZZII appear in my UCD, not once...

Up until yesterday I had never seen a Evo Super Rally car either, nor a Alfa Romeo 155 DTM car either. I had been cycling my days by using the first 5 license tests over and over, doing a little online seasonal racing as well. It seemed to me, many of the same cars were repeating over and over in my UCD , very little new/different was showing up really.

THen... Last night I ran B-Spec and finished up my extreme events, got my level 21 ticket, etc... I go look in the UCD and a Evo Super Rally car and a Alfa Romeo 155 show up, the first time I've ever seen them in my UCD... It also would seem there are some other different cars now then those I had been seeing repeating a lot...

Is there some explaination for this other then coincidence ???
 
The appearance of cars in the UCD is predetermined. Download the list from the first link in TornadoAlley's sig (two posts above yours). That will help you predict what will come up next in your UCD (unless you happen to be in a gap).
 
TRFZF
I go look in the UCD and a Evo Super Rally car and a Alfa Romeo 155 show up, the first time I've ever seen them in my UCD... It also would seem there are some other different cars now then those I had been seeing repeating a lot...
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With that little bit of information I am not finding a match with what we have currently collected regarding the UCD cars. Most likely you are in an area that has not been charted as of yet (assuming few errors in the lists).

No where in the recorded lists does the Mitsubishi - Lancer Evolution Super Rally Car '03 and the Alfa Romeo - 155 2.5 V6 TI '93 appear within six days of each other (the closest is 11 days in master list 1)

It would be easy to figure out where you were in the list if you wanted to go to a new PS3 account (on the same PS3), and start a new GT5 game. Then use my spreadsheet (top link in my sig) to find your starting position relative to the lists that I've compiled.
 
Unfortunately looks like you're in one of the uncharted areas.....

By the way, does anyone know if there's a compiled list of 'new' costs for cars in the UCD, ie. what they would cost if bought at 0 miles ?
There's a simple correlation between the 'new' cost and the cost after depreciation, but need the 'new' price to calculate, and was wondering if anyone else had done the hard work (before I go and work them out myself haha!) :D

I've tried a few search terms, but no luck as far as I can see.
 
segovia
Hi! Don't know whether you saw my post following yours on the number of game days thread... it would be very cool if you could send me this information (namely current UCD content with game day, and your day 1 UCD), as it could help us "unify" our two UCD master lists.

Thanks! -- it's quite ok if you don't want to bother, I will not bug you anymore about this.
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Don't know if it's really a help as it looks like Famine has stopped updating the list (Last edited by Famine; Feb 04 2011 at 3:46 PM), anyways here it is:


My UCD Day #1 (first row):




My UCD Day #18.372 (full):




Hope it was not wasted time. :lol:
 
I had asked you to do this in the hopes that it could link our two master lists together. I have just checked, and unfortunately, you start on list #1 but your latest UCD does not appear in list #2.

I think it was still worth a try!
 
segovia
I had asked you to do this in the hopes that it could link our two master lists together. I have just checked, and unfortunately, you start on list #1 but your latest UCD does not appear in list #2.

I think it was still worth a try!
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It is possible (although unlikely) that he jumped over list #2 completely. More likely is the lists may never link together. :(
 
I thought about the possibility that he jumped over list #2, but my guess is the two lists would link up around day 32768 -- why? because it's half of 65536! :)

This is assuming that the number of game days takes up two bytes = 16 bits and 2^16=65536. So that would be the number of days in the complete cycle. I think that they would have generated ([pseudo-]randomly) a list of 65536 cars and hard-coded it in the game, so to speak. Because belonging to a certain list does not seem to be region specific, I would be surprised if the two lists were not actually part of the same global list.

This is all just out of my head, not based on cold-hard facts, so don't quote me on this (NO! don't even think of clicking that Quote button :scared:).
 
I won't quote you :P but I have had a similar thought. What I was trying to determine in my mind was in generating a preset list of cars there needs to be enough information to identify each unique car. With 800+ cars that would require at least a 10 bit number just to identify the car type (not to mention the mileage, color, etc.) I haven't tried yet to figure out how many unique entries we have (unique being all of the different mileages and colors).

I would hazard a guess that to describe each car in the UCD would require something like a 12-16 bit number. That would imply that each hextext requires 6, 16 bit numbers per day.

I honestly don't know what that means with reference to the list ever cycling as there are many ways that PD could have set this up. Just something to think about.

Edit: Oh and a list of 65536 cars would only span 10922.67 days.
 
Sorry, I was talking about 65536 days, so I should have written "a list of 6*65536 = 393216 cars". The two bytes I was talking about would be in your game save to keep track of what your game day is. The full list of UCD cars would be part of the game data, not the game save. 16 bits per car might be a bit conservative, though, because like you said it takes 10 bits just to identify the model, leaving only 6 bits for colour and mileage information. The mileage could be randomly generated on-the-fly, I suppose, but in a deterministic manner so that everyone has the exact same UCD. That would keep the size of the file down a bit.

Why don't we write PD and ask them? While we're at it, we'll ask them for the whole damn UCD list! 💡
 
I might be able to fill some gaps in ML #2

Days 1287 - 1477/78 (start is aligned to existing sheet from Tornado's link, end is 1 off because of my offset)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsdZjh5pbLDodHhscFhqTkl5ZENNUi1kRnIwTXRCWkE

I also added the race-/rally-car starting number, where available, and the color (guessed by me) in brackets in the color column for cars which have no color mentioned in the game. Reason for this is that sometimes different colors are available for those cars (e.g. Ford RS200 in Red and White, New Beetle Cup cars in different colors ...)

Edit:
01.12.2011: Updated till day 1515
02.12.2011: Updated till day 1549
03.12.2011: Updated till day 1579
05.12.2011: Updated till day 1609
08.12.2011: Updated till day 1654 (somehow i missed one car on day 1649 :grumpy:)
10.12.2011: Updated till day 1707
 
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Powermarty
I might be able to fill some gaps in ML #2

Days 1287 - 1477/78 (start is aligned to existing sheet from Tornado's link, end is 1 off because of my offset)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsdZjh5pbLDodHhscFhqTkl5ZENNUi1kRnIwTXRCWkE
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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: A help for ML#2.

Thanks, it helps a lot. My secondary account is in day 1002, now (currently B-spec remote racing), while my main is in day 3586 and my 3rd in day 198 (will fix car without a tracked livery).
It also will improve the car rarity thread, and the car catalogue too, due to the tracked paints ;)
 
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cby82
As a new member and also having only just started GT5, how can I help in this thread?
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Figure out where your UCD entries are currently from in ML#1 or ML#2 in the UCD spreadsheets (2nd link in TornadoAllay's signature). E.g. once i had a significant car, like any LM race car, show up in my ingame UCD in searched for it in those 2 spreadsheets and determined my position by comparing the cars in front and after this significant car).

Once you found your position keep on playing and compare your UCD to the UCD spreadsheets. Once you hit a gap (data missing in sheets) in the UCD spreadsheets create a your own file from your UCD with those entries and share it.
 
CLIBBY34
Unfortunately looks like you're in one of the uncharted areas.....

By the way, does anyone know if there's a compiled list of 'new' costs for cars in the UCD, ie. what they would cost if bought at 0 miles ?
There's a simple correlation between the 'new' cost and the cost after depreciation, but need the 'new' price to calculate, and was wondering if anyone else had done the hard work (before I go and work them out myself haha!) :D

I've tried a few search terms, but no luck as far as I can see.
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I remember seeing a post about this, too, a while back. But I think the person was providing the formula, not the list. It wasn't very hard to figure out again, though:

n = u / (1 - 0.000005 * k)

where n is the cost for the brand new car, u the cost in the UCD for the car with k kilometers on it.

This means that a car would be half price a 100,000 km... and free at 200,000 km! But I just found out that the formula still works when the car has over 300,000 km on it: just pretend it has 300,000 km less! In other words, use only the last 5 digits of the number of kilometers in the formula (strange, I know). This made me realize that there never seems to be cars in the UCD with mileage between 100,000 and 300,000 km.

ps: will try to take some more pictures of the UCD soon and post them
 
segovia
I remember seeing a post about this, too, a while back. But I think the person was providing the formula, not the list. It wasn't very hard to figure out again, though:

n = u / (1 - 0.000005 * k)

where n is the cost for the brand new car, u the cost in the UCD for the car with k kilometers on it.

This means that a car would be half price a 100,000 km... and free at 200,000 km! But I just found out that the formula still works when the car has over 300,000 km on it: just pretend it has 300,000 km less! In other words, use only the last 5 digits of the number of kilometers in the formula (strange, I know). This made me realize that there never seems to be cars in the UCD with mileage between 100,000 and 300,000 km.

ps: will try to take some more pictures of the UCD soon and post them
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Yep , this is pretty much how the formula goes. (max mileage for cars is year/km limited)

Thought I'm not yet convinced 200000km/0.000005 is the actual numbers to use.
It is close enought to predict car values by 1 Cr. margin of error.

For example Chaparral 2J . One could think it's value is 15,000,000 Cr. , but it actually costs more than that.
Just not enought to make it 15,000,001 Cr. (at 0km) :sly:



MadMax
 
MadMax86
Yep , this is pretty much how the formula goes. (max mileage for cars is year/km limited)

Thought I'm not yet convinced 200000km/0.000005 is the actual numbers to use.
It is close enought to predict car values by 1 Cr. margin of error.

For example Chaparral 2J . One could think it's value is 15,000,000 Cr. , but it actually costs more than that.
Just not enought to make it 15,000,001 Cr. (at 0km) :sly:

MadMax
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Yes, this is correct, or very nearly so :) The ratio is not using exactly 200000 / 0.000005, but is very close to that (i.e. isn't <199,999 or >200,001) and only result in a maximum of 1 credit error. I'd wondered if the mileage distance has already been rounded from a more detailed figure, but it wouldn't be enough to cause the difference.

Using the Chap 2J as an example (as it seems the most consistently 'off'), the issue isn't just that the cost of the 'new' car isn't a round number - when calculating the possible 'new' price, you get a larger range of values than with most other vehicles. The high cost of this and similar cars looks like they are showing something that is covered up by the low values of road cars (though there are some cars logged in the UCD lists that also show something).

I would hazard a guess that the new price is an integer (this would follow new dealership / OCD etc), but that there's some other (admittedly very small) factor that needs adding to the formula we've been using. (Could even be a miles/km conversion issue or similar...)

I posted a list in here a few weeks back; I had compiled a short spreadsheet to find new cost and to check some numbers in UCD list.

Was also interesting to see that max mileage was limited for the newer cars as MadMax said, depending on age - just that little bit of extra detail!
 
ML2 updated to day 3601.

@TornadoAlley: please, notice I splitted my sheet into more tabs to speedup navigation, and also have a 'revision' tab adding paint names where needed.

cby82
As a new member and also having only just started GT5, how can I help in this thread?
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Powermarty
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+1 👍
After the old 1208-1700 gap where Powermarty is working, I actually left some gaps in the 3018-3600 area. A matter of 10-20 cars, but still important for completion ;)
 
segovia
Not too sure what that means, though :confused:
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In short, I understood you can find a '40s Beetle with 390000km, but not a '90s Panda.
This is true, but mileage of GT5 cars seems to be only in two intervals:
- 0 to 99999
- 300000 to 399999
 

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