Cutting the corner on deep forest raceway?

In a championship i entered last year i made 2nd place not cutting... after race i saw the replay and i noticed that everyone had cutted...

Since that day i have been cutting in that corner. -.-

ps: i think sometimes the game give you penal. and sometimes not... i've got penalized several times.

ps2: sorry bad english
 
I never cut it. If I join a room and people are cutting there; I will just leave. It's obviously not part of the course, and the old excuse of "well everyone does it" is pathetic.
 
i recommend not cutting it.
Cutting it skips two great corners, and the game is not much more than corners and cars.
 
granddriver
I do not use the concrete runoffs. Usually I like to stay within the white lines. Some courses like Trail Mountain the white lines come way out past the bumpers in which case I go all the way to the bumpers.
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^ This. That area on Deep Forest is very clearly not a part of the track, and using it almost fully eliminates one corner and completely changes your approach to the next.

Offhand, I think the only corners I ever cut are the two obvious ones at Trial Mountain. The surface doesn't change at all there and the rubbered racing groove clearly goes all the way to the edge. I almost think the line aid takes you through there as well. Why the bots never have, I have no idea.

Not sure of any others, except a few I won't cry about accidentally running wide on exit at. I might cut some spots if in a competitive race online when everyone else is, just as I might take the bot-line at Trial if in a great close race with them. The spot mentioned at G-V is definitely not the track.
 
99% of people cut it, that is why in online rooms when the host chooses this track I just cruise waiting for the race to finish. It makes me even hate the track although it is quite fun and challenging. Such a pitty. But this is my opinion, I hate blatant cheating, and cutting that chicane blatantly defies any logic, no more no less.
 
I'll just try to put my two inner wheels as much into on the cement as possible trying not to cut it completley. Like someone here allready said, its more of an emergency area if your speed is as you ''have too'' cut trough it I guess. But yeah, sometimes I just dont give a funk and run straight over that flat cementary area:)
 
amar212
I presume game does not penalise it because the area is too small and configuration would just produce many problems for the penalty system.
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Legal or not, I don't think this argument holds much water, considering some of the places on other tracks were area size and penalty problems aren't a consideration. My view is that if everyone's doing it, where's the harm? And if you're racing with a group of friends who don't like it then that's all good too.
 
If the host doesn't say anything about it, then I personally think it's up to the individual to decide to cut it or not. I'll do it if everyone else is.
 
Do online races at Monza have people straight line full power through the chicane at Roggia?
LeMans have chicanes that are all too easy to cut in the game. Do people do this too?

Is this acceptable now?

Gah, sound like an old fart driver being critical of M $chumacher after he tried to run Rubens into a concrete wall at 180mph.

"Everybody else is doing it, so it is fine" is a pretty shallow attitude.

Would be easy to fix in a virtual game, just mark it as an invalid lap, so he has to hurry up to the start line to start that lap again.
 
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I put two wheels on it, that's it. I usually tell people not to cut it pre race, usually people listen:P. One time after I asked nobody to cut it, everyone did, so my friend who was running in the back of the pack parked his car on it, and next lap around, everyone went to cut it and the results were hilarious. :P
 
I would never see cutting the chicane at Monza or de La Sarthe to be OK at all! only a ''maybe ok, if you cant handle the curve'' at Deep Forest Raceway.. or just cut it halfway :)

Monza & LeMans track would rather slow down, maybe stop the car for a second and grab a coffee, then putting my two wheels outside those kerbs.
 
I only cut it online if others are doing it. If not, then no. And offline, I never cut it, only if I'm losing control of the car.
 
Ryk
Do online races at Monza have people straight line full power through the chicane at Roggia?
LeMans have chicanes that are all too easy to cut in the game. Do people do this too?

Is this acceptable now?

Gah, sound like an old fart driver being critical of M $chumacher after he tried to run Rubens into a concrete wall at 180mph.

"Everybody else is doing it, so it is fine" is a pretty shallow attitude.

Would be easy to fix in a virtual game, just mark it as an invalid lap, so he has to hurry up to the start line to start that lap again.
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I don't think it's shallow if you're trying to remain competitive and avoiding putting yourself at a disadvantage.
 
I find it interesting that cutting the concrete part in GT5 doesn't void the time... I'll cut it online if no one says anything.
 
I think it's worth noting that the AI cars sometimes cut it too, well as far as I can remember. Also it's not technically "cutting" as it's on the outside of the bend, which is perhaps why there is no penalty, but I guess that's the limitations of GT5.
 
Personally I'm against cheating. Just because the opportunity is there, doesn't mean you should take it to make up for any lack of skill. It's a shame to see so many people doing this. I think it'd be great if they just built a wall or something there in GT6, or even funnier, in an update to GT5. haha.
 
I find the concrete patch on Deep Forest to be annoying.
But generally my rule in stewarding races is... I've given up on trying to police that concrete. :boggled: I also find it to cause more race incidents if cars get boxed up in that area & fight to stay off the concrete. And since the game penalty system doesn't teach anyone to stay off it either.
So I allow use of the concrete.
But mowing the grass before (forward) or after (reverse) is absolutely forbidden, of course. It's one thing to go 3-4 wheels up on the concrete to get a line through there... but tearing through the grass is another kettle of fish entirely.

And cutting the chicanes at Monza is a different situation, I think. There are speed bumps in those, and flying over them seems just simply ridiculous. It's not just a matter of going "off-track" for those, or just about track-shorting either.
(That said, I've done it in aspec. :lol: Just not in public. Unless everyone else is doing it.)
 
As a concrete user I've been interested in the difference inopinions here.

A thought occurs to me.

What would real racers do? Frankly, after over 50 years of watching Motorsports of all kinds I'd say real drivers in the real world would use it, unless the Stewards stopped them. Drivers attempt to maximise speed by minimising the corners. That's how they go faster than the other guy.

The corner is so slow if you don't use the apron and so much faster if you do they'd pinch a bit of concrete on the first lap and progressively more in subsequent laps until all of the field were straightening it to the max'.
Assuming the course was new, or at least that the concrete was newly laid then a Race Steward for the first race would either penalise the first few drivers to use it or ignore the infringement and that would be the precedent for future races.

I'd be happy to comply to either rule but still think using it is OK, because it's there' is acceptable. If it were grass then it'd be a no, no!
 
watermelonpunch
I find the concrete patch on Deep Forest to be annoying.
But generally my rule in stewarding races is... I've given up on trying to police that concrete. :boggled: I also find it to cause more race incidents if cars get boxed up in that area & fight to stay off the concrete. And since the game penalty system doesn't teach anyone to stay off it either.
So I allow use of the concrete.
But mowing the grass before (forward) or after (reverse) is absolutely forbidden, of course. It's one thing to go 3-4 wheels up on the concrete to get a line through there... but tearing through the grass is another kettle of fish entirely.

And cutting the chicanes at Monza is a different situation, I think. There are speed bumps in those, and flying over them seems just simply ridiculous. It's not just a matter of going "off-track" for those, or just about track-shorting either.
(That said, I've done it in aspec. :lol: Just not in public. Unless everyone else is doing it.)
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I dont agree at all with you but really not at all.

For me cutting the grass or the concrete is the same things, you're out of tracks you're out of tracks, beeing concrete, grass, sand, gravel or anything that could be. I dont see the difference if it's concrete or not. And I dont see the difference with Monza, if you cut a corner, you're gaining time, so you're cheating dot. The rest is just argument to make you feel good.
 
Ryk
Do online races at Monza have people straight line full power through the chicane at Roggia?
LeMans have chicanes that are all too easy to cut in the game. Do people do this too?

Is this acceptable now?

Gah, sound like an old fart driver being critical of M $chumacher after he tried to run Rubens into a concrete wall at 180mph.

"Everybody else is doing it, so it is fine" is a pretty shallow attitude.

Would be easy to fix in a virtual game, just mark it as an invalid lap, so he has to hurry up to the start line to start that lap again.
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Couldn't agree more buddy...


I can't believe that this discussion is STILL going on! :banghead:
It's pass the white lines, so, it's OFF TRACK.
Does it have asphalt? No, then it's OFF TRACK!

It's ok if you are just having fun with your friends and fooling around, but still, it is NOT ok to cut it...:crazy:
 
byegad
What would real racers do? Frankly, after over 50 years of watching Motorsports of all kinds I'd say real drivers in the real world would use it, unless the Stewards stopped them. Drivers attempt to maximise speed by minimising the corners. That's how they go faster than the other guy.
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Very true, that is exactly how it works. To win, a driver must take the fastest line allowed by the stewards. Lax stewarding(or "we can't penalize everyone") is why we see cutting in real life, take the fast esses mid-lap at Barcelona or going wide at the Mercedes Arena for two F1 examples. The drivers are clearly breaking the explicit rules of F1("racing takes place between the white lines") but if they don't get penalized they have to do it.

The game is the same, hosts must declare whether spots like that are allowed or not, but it's hard to enforce without seeing a replay(or spectating). And as you said, you gain such a huge [unfair] advantage there it's tough not to do it if it's allowed.
 
It's cheating, anyway you look at it. Just because you don't get a penalty doesn't make it ok, stick to the track or go play need for speed.
 
byegad
As a general aside. Who else finds the circuit really difficult? I can throw most cars around most tracks, and am even getting the Nordschleife mostly right if damn slow still.

But this one really has me puzzled.
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I use this track for testing a lot. Deep Forest is a fast corner track. I've have found that if you can get a good set-up for this track, you can use it on other fast corner tracks, ie: suzuka, spa, laguna seca, ect.

It definitely has a flow and if you get out of the flow, or off the racing line you will be slow. smoothness is the key.

Start with a low PP good handling car (lotus evora, s2000, NSX) and build from there.
 

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