GTP WRS-Online : Event 31 : A Rakete in Your Pokete - Apr 11
- Thread starter Gravitron
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- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
Guys if it's scary don't be afraid to set TCS=1-3. It helps. It will slow you down, but not as much as spinning into the wall. 
Use the Praiano Online tune as well which is listed in the OP. It's a safer alternative... might not be the optimal for individual lap times... I'm going with it myself.
By the way I'm pretty sure we're going with open tire choice. That will be final after the practice today, but using racing softs will help... just be prepared to pit more often.
My full report on lap times and tire wear above is still valid. For this combo I feel the lap times are a good 3-4 seconds slower than offline on the best of tires. It's not just grip reduction and physics. You have to make the car finish the lap and just can't take the same type of chances you take offline or your race will be terrible even if you get a couple great laps sprinkled in there. This car has a much higher risk for keeping it on the absolute edge. If you ran the time trial you know what I'm talking about.
Use the Praiano Online tune as well which is listed in the OP. It's a safer alternative... might not be the optimal for individual lap times... I'm going with it myself.
By the way I'm pretty sure we're going with open tire choice. That will be final after the practice today, but using racing softs will help... just be prepared to pit more often.
My full report on lap times and tire wear above is still valid. For this combo I feel the lap times are a good 3-4 seconds slower than offline on the best of tires. It's not just grip reduction and physics. You have to make the car finish the lap and just can't take the same type of chances you take offline or your race will be terrible even if you get a couple great laps sprinkled in there. This car has a much higher risk for keeping it on the absolute edge. If you ran the time trial you know what I'm talking about.
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- 7,207
- Ostend, Belgium
- Speedy6543
Practice is open in the main lounge guys. 
- 136
- New York
- JSOCCER9
Practice is open in the main lounge guys.
I will be joining shortly, but I first need to get the credits to buy the car
Also, will there be any specific tire compound that is required for quali and the start of the race?
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- 3,895
- Toronto
- GTP_Hydro
How great would that be.
Oh, the Horror!!!!!
And I once swore to never use Photoshop for evil...don't tell BMW I did this
Race Mediums Jake 👍I will be joining shortly, but I first need to get the credits to buy the car
Also, will there be any specific tire compound that is required for quali and the start of the race?
- 1,909
- Sherbrooke, QC
- GTP_AspecBob
I didn't spend enough time on this TT and didn't enjoy the combo all that much, but I might still come and watch. Also, I went and did a pretty stupid thing: I got myself a job, which means less time for GT5 
So, starting next week, I won't be able to join the EU races anymore.
So, starting next week, I won't be able to join the EU races anymore.
- 3,895
- Toronto
- GTP_Hydro
I didn't spend enough time on this TT and didn't enjoy the combo all that much, but I might still come and watch. Also, I went and did a pretty stupid thing: I got myself a job, which means less time for GT5
Why on earth would you go do that?
Jumping into the practice lobby for a little while..
- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
We're going to do a rolling start for the race to reduce turn 1 carnage.
Here's the procedure:
Qualification will consist of 2 hot laps only. All cars should slow after their 2nd qualification and a steward will exit track to view and record all qualification times. The steward will announce the times and the official start order and then return to the pits at which point all drivers should exit to the pits as well (start/exit). Once all drivers are in the pits we wills start the race timer.
After the green flag drivers should leave the grid in qualification order regardless of where the system puts you on the grid and begin a staggered formation lap. Pole sitter on the left side and alternating back through the field. The target speed is 63 MPH / 100 KPH. After exiting the final chicane the pole sitter should slow a bit further and make sure all cars are tightly packed before resuming at the speed limit and taking the final corner. No car should overlap with the car in front, but the group should be tightly packed and staggered as the cars enter the front straight after the final turn.
The race will start at the overhead BMW sign past the start/finish line and not the start/finish line itself. The sign is much easier to see for all drivers. The pole sitter should accelerate to race pace when he gets directly under the sign. All other drivers should accelerate when the driver in front of you does so. There is no passing before the BMW sign.
Tire wear and pit strategy will play a big part in this race so take it easy in corner one, especially if you are starting mid or back pack as the cars in front of you are likely to brake early for the guys in front of them. Brake extra early and gently and you can always let off the brake or brake harder to manage the gap until the apex.
Here's the procedure:
Qualification will consist of 2 hot laps only. All cars should slow after their 2nd qualification and a steward will exit track to view and record all qualification times. The steward will announce the times and the official start order and then return to the pits at which point all drivers should exit to the pits as well (start/exit). Once all drivers are in the pits we wills start the race timer.
After the green flag drivers should leave the grid in qualification order regardless of where the system puts you on the grid and begin a staggered formation lap. Pole sitter on the left side and alternating back through the field. The target speed is 63 MPH / 100 KPH. After exiting the final chicane the pole sitter should slow a bit further and make sure all cars are tightly packed before resuming at the speed limit and taking the final corner. No car should overlap with the car in front, but the group should be tightly packed and staggered as the cars enter the front straight after the final turn.
The race will start at the overhead BMW sign past the start/finish line and not the start/finish line itself. The sign is much easier to see for all drivers. The pole sitter should accelerate to race pace when he gets directly under the sign. All other drivers should accelerate when the driver in front of you does so. There is no passing before the BMW sign.
Tire wear and pit strategy will play a big part in this race so take it easy in corner one, especially if you are starting mid or back pack as the cars in front of you are likely to brake early for the guys in front of them. Brake extra early and gently and you can always let off the brake or brake harder to manage the gap until the apex.
- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
Just a note. We are going with open tires for the race. You must qualify and start the race on mediums (both front and back), but on your first pit you can change to any compound.
T-L asked about mixed sets of compounds after the first stint and we didn't have a clear rule so we're going to allow that for this race and see how that goes. In other words you can use a softer compound on the front and that may even out the tire wear while giving you better grip.
Personally, I just tested Softs in the front and Medium in the rear and it works pretty well and it's easier to get 8 safe race laps.
My tentative plan is:
RM (front)/RM (rear) 6 laps | RS/RM 8 | RS/RM 8 | RS/RM 8
Or something along those lines. Or maybe I'll crash and burn after 5 laps and mix it up and pit every 5 laps and run RS tires.
EDIT: I take that strategy back... with RS/RM tires I can't make 8 when I push at all... Looks like it's 4 stops no matter what I do. Back to the strategy drawing board.
T-L asked about mixed sets of compounds after the first stint and we didn't have a clear rule so we're going to allow that for this race and see how that goes. In other words you can use a softer compound on the front and that may even out the tire wear while giving you better grip.
Personally, I just tested Softs in the front and Medium in the rear and it works pretty well and it's easier to get 8 safe race laps.
My tentative plan is:
RM (front)/RM (rear) 6 laps | RS/RM 8 | RS/RM 8 | RS/RM 8
Or something along those lines. Or maybe I'll crash and burn after 5 laps and mix it up and pit every 5 laps and run RS tires.
EDIT: I take that strategy back... with RS/RM tires I can't make 8 when I push at all... Looks like it's 4 stops no matter what I do. Back to the strategy drawing board.
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- 2,077
- The Netherlands
- GTP_w-g-e
Interesting, I'll try that out as well.Just a note. We are going with open tires for the race. You must qualify and start the race on mediums (both front and back), but on your first pit you can change to any compound.
T-L asked about mixed sets of compunds after the first stint and we didn't have a clear rule so we're going to allow that for this race and see how that goes. In other words you can use a softer compound on the front and that may even out the tire wear while giving you better grip.
Personally, I just tested Softs in the front and Medium in the rear and it works pretty well and it's easier to get 8 safe race laps.
My tentative plan is:
RM (front)/RM (rear) 6 laps | RS/RM 8 | RS/RM 8 | RS/RM 8
Or something along those lines. Or maybe I'll crash and burn after 5 laps and mix it up and pit every 5 laps and run RS tires.
EDIT: I take that strategy back... with RS/RM tires I can't make 8 when I push at all... Looks like it's 4 stops no matter what I do. Back to the strategy drawing board.
It turned out that a fan inside my wheel was missing, and I drove with it for 2 months. I knew it had something to do with the wheel getting hot.
But it's just rediculous, this all only because one component is missing.
BUT: The technican said he would repair it today and send my wheel back tomorrow. I shouldn't be happy but I am.
- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
Interesting, I'll try that out as well.
It turned out that a fan inside my wheel was missing, and I drove with it for 2 months. I knew it had something to do with the wheel getting hot.
But it's just rediculous, this all only because one component is missing.
BUT: The technican said he would repair it today and send my wheel back tomorrow. I shouldn't be happy but I am.
Did they forget to install a fan when they made the repair? Crazy!
At least TM just keeps sending me the parts and I'm making the repairs myself. I should send them my hours so I can get paid for the labor.
I'm not a "tool guy" so it's usually an adventure, but I haven't forgotten to put the parts back when I'm done yet. I'm happy you'll have your wheel back. Hopefully you can run the enduro with us later this month. I better do well today, it might be my last chance to hang with you on the track. No last laps gifts today I hope.
- 136
- New York
- JSOCCER9
I'm still trying to settle on a strategy for the race 
. That multi-compound option made me do a total rethink.
With RS's on the front and RM's on the rear I am getting significantly quicker lap times than with all RM's, but because of the differences in grip levels I am getting snap oversteer on some corners. One in particular is the first left-hander, which starts T2.
If I can control the tire wear to 6 laps then I might run 1 RM/RM for 6 laps, followed by 4 RS/RM for 6 laps (I don't like full RM's very much).
. That multi-compound option made me do a total rethink. With RS's on the front and RM's on the rear I am getting significantly quicker lap times than with all RM's, but because of the differences in grip levels I am getting snap oversteer on some corners. One in particular is the first left-hander, which starts T2.
If I can control the tire wear to 6 laps then I might run 1 RM/RM for 6 laps, followed by 4 RS/RM for 6 laps (I don't like full RM's very much).
When does the race actually start? Long time since I've run one of these events so not sure whether the timer is counting down to Qualifying or the Race 
If the race is at 20:00GMT I'll likely drop by, got a lot of free time, should befrustrating fun trying to tame these beasts mid-race and *accidentally* crashing into Hydro, even if he's behind me
If the race is at 20:00GMT I'll likely drop by, got a lot of free time, should be
- 2,077
- The Netherlands
- GTP_w-g-e
No, I really have no clue where my wheel went the first time I send it. That will always be a mistery I guess.Did they forget to install a fan when they made the repair? Crazy!
At least TM just keeps sending me the parts and I'm making the repairs myself. I should send them my hours so I can get paid for the labor.
I'm happy you'll have your wheel back. Hopefully you can run the enduro with us later this month. I better do well today, it might be my last chance to hang with you on the track. No last laps gifts today I hope.
But I almost have it back and repaired now so I can be happy and relieved.
Thanks though, I'll run the enduro wheel or no wheel. I'm not going to make it easy, but I'm sure you're faster than me. We'll have a different strategy though so I have no clue how it will turn out (no, not a one-stopper
). I doubt it will be the last time you will hang with me as I doubt this will be the last time I'm without a wheel.
No seriously, since the qualification you have been going faster and faster and I believe you and Marc are not very far from D1 pace now.👍
- 7,207
- Ostend, Belgium
- Speedy6543
- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
Quali will be quite quick as it entails running only 2 hot laps. My guess is 10-12 minutes max assuming everyone is on time and there are no connection issues to work around. With a smaller field such as this connection and/or invisibility issues are usually much less of a problem.
Edit: If Yanaran shows up and the reserves make the race we'll actually have a nice sized field for EU. 👍
- 7,207
- Ostend, Belgium
- Speedy6543
Livestream will be going up in about 13min but don't expect to see good racing from my part.
- 278
- Netherlands
- Don-Mejillone
sorry guys but I was disturbed while driving and had to stop.
Until next time!
Don
Until next time!
Don
- 2,077
- The Netherlands
- GTP_w-g-e
Same, sorry Jammy and Jonas for the bumps (and for blocking the pitlane). I was
a bit too excited that my tyres lasted so long and I that I may have a chance (which I did but way too many mistakes). Hopefully I'll be back with the wheel next time, I've waited long enough I think.
- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
That was a crazy race from start to finish. I thought Wes and I were going to battle it out for the last podium position over the last 3 laps, but then he was gone. I think his tires were in pretty bad shape so maybe it wasn't worth trying to finish.
Congratz T-L on the win. Congratz to Yanaran on pole position and fast lap.
The fast laps this week are a bit skewed as everyone was on different compounds. I'd be interested to see what people's pit/tire strategies were and how that worked (or didn't).
Mine was RM (8) | RS/RM (7) | RS/RM (7) | RS/RM (8)
I took the entire last stint slowly from start to finish to make 8 laps. I knew where Wes was on track and expected him to have to pit again (I was wrong) and I knew I had no chance at 2nd when Yanaran passed me on the 2nd lap of the stint... so just ran gentle laps and still barely made 8. I'm going to change it up tonight as that was too much skating... maybe 4 pits and a little more throttle.
Tonight I'll remember to set the lap count to 31 to account for the formation lap.
Congratz T-L on the win. Congratz to Yanaran on pole position and fast lap.
The fast laps this week are a bit skewed as everyone was on different compounds. I'd be interested to see what people's pit/tire strategies were and how that worked (or didn't).
Mine was RM (8) | RS/RM (7) | RS/RM (7) | RS/RM (8)
I took the entire last stint slowly from start to finish to make 8 laps. I knew where Wes was on track and expected him to have to pit again (I was wrong) and I knew I had no chance at 2nd when Yanaran passed me on the 2nd lap of the stint... so just ran gentle laps and still barely made 8. I'm going to change it up tonight as that was too much skating... maybe 4 pits and a little more throttle.
Tonight I'll remember to set the lap count to 31 to account for the formation lap.
