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you just need the right group that suits you.... i feel pretty 'at ease' with the people who run the WRS, every race i joined was strictly by the rules, and all other players have respect for you, no matter if you are an expert or a beginner.....
 
I drive with no aids what so ever. I use a steering wheel with a clutch and manual gearbox my PSN is : adamotten
 
Ridox2JZGTE
It's mind boggling that some people said braking without ABS is so hard, that slightest pressure will lock up tires . .. I am using DS3, but I can modulate the brakes just fine,
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I prefer driving simulation, so I use a wheel. On most cars, with ABS off, the wheels lock up at the slightest touch of the brake pedal & the car slides about almost uncontrollably. (Standard brake settings.) I have a DF Pro (1 down from the DFGT) , so maybe it's to do with my wheel...
 
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Jaywalker
I prefer driving simulation, so I use a wheel. on most cars, with ABS off, the wheels lock up at the slightest touch of the brake pedal & the car slides about almost uncontrollably. (Standard brake settings.) I have a DF Pro (1 down from the DFGT) , so maybe it's to do with my wheel...
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Try with 2/1 brake balance, I'm pretty sure it will usable, at least it won't lock up easily, I find with DS3, if the total brake balance is 10 or more, for example 5/5, 6/5 or 7/4, applying more than 80% force at speed less than 200 kmh or lower speed will likely lock up the tires, this happens often on sports or comfort.On controller at very least, 4/2 or 3/2, I can almost apply full brake force without ever locking, even at low speed, this might also applies to wheel a well.

I know how hard it is with pedal, I used to have a very old Thrustmaster T2 wheel for PC, back in the old days of original The Need For Speed, NASCAR Racing, GP3, GPL ...it's broken for almost 10 years now :grumpy:
 
dalmaximus
Why do I find it So hard to find like minded racers who use steering wheels, drive fast cars and use no assists, on real world tracks.
I've had this game since it came out and can say that I've only had about 8 races where the other drivers are happy to drive without armbands on.
Why do so many insist on driving with tc, abs and all the other rubbish that takes away the skill of the drivers input.
If anyone reads this and plays like I do, leave me your username and save me from the child like racers.
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Since you've had the game since release and you haven't found any friends to race with maybe it's not all the other racers who have issues.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
It's mind boggling that some people said braking without ABS is so hard, that slightest pressure will lock up tires . .. I am using DS3, but I can modulate the brakes just fine, lock ups do occur if I brake too hard too late into a corner, but usually I can do threshold braking just fine, I have played online for more than a year, never used ABS, sometimes people I met Online ask me how can I brake without locking up, even when using comfort hard, yes I do drift without ABS as well, and I use trail braking a lot to adjust off speed quickly, e brake is used to adjust angle.

Keep practicing, it will only get better. For a starter, you might want to get DS2 controller with some sort of converter, the face buttons on DS2 has higher range of pressure, you would literally need to press harder and deeper to get full brake and throttle, I did practice with it at the beginning of my GT5 days, mainly licence tests.
Sometimes I still use my original DS2 controller that is already 5 years old, it gave me better range of control over my braking and throttle than the DS3 that came with PS3 .... strange I know ...but if u watch me race online, you'll know that I almost never use more than 80% brake force when braking from less than 200kmh and I can do this with a Dual Shock
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Everything is easy with the DS3, I can take any corner with any cars, understeer or not with the e-brake, driving with ABS off, no assists ever, but try no ABS with a wheel, you won't be so confident, it takes time, if not forever to find the way to brake without flying into the grass/barrier.

"I use a DS3"... big deal. I have a G27, save your money and get one.
 
Ben78
Everything is easy with the DS3, I can take any corner with any cars, understeer or not with the e-brake, driving with ABS off, no assists ever, but try no ABS with a wheel, you won't be so confident, it takes time, if not forever to find the way to brake without flying into the grass/barrier.

"I use a DS3"... big deal. I have a G27, save your money and get one.
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I tried GT5 with wheels a couple of time for half an hour or so, a friend of mine have DFGT, what you have said is the opposite for me, I find it harder to control the car with DS3, steering wise ... and throttle control definitely a lot easier with wheel, while brake pedal is a hit and miss, I had to adjust brake balance for almost every car in GT5 when using DFGT without ABS. Getting used to the pedals took some time. I drove a R32 GTR in real life, driving with a steering wheel - both real and game will always be second nature to those who drive a car in real life, it's all in getting used to and have a feeling for the pedal travel and pressure. Same thing applies to all real life car, some have light/heavy pedal, some have sensitive brake pedal, even clutch travel engages differently on most real cars.

Why don't you try this with DS3 and then with wheel :
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=250512

I have posted time there 1:41.xxx with DS3, no abs ...with some slow sector times. I doubt that your DS3 time without ABS will be faster than with G27 without ABS ...

Lastly, I don't have the space to have a wheel setup, too busy with work, and my family room is kinda hectic, thus why I resort to DS3, peace.
 
dalmaximus
Why do I find it So hard to find like minded racers who use steering wheels, drive fast cars and use no assists, on real world tracks.
I've had this game since it came out and can say that I've only had about 8 races where the other drivers are happy to drive without armbands on.
Why do so many insist on driving with tc, abs and all the other rubbish that takes away the skill of the drivers input.
If anyone reads this and plays like I do, leave me your username and save me from the child like racers.
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And this is what I hate - people gloating that using a wheel and no assists makes you have "ubar 1337 skillz". Also known as elitism. Which I hate.

DS3 users can be just as good - I've had plenty of good races with others who use them. Don't be a biased 🤬.

Which brings me to assists: who gives a 🤬 if someone uses them? If you think your so great, you should be able to beat them - especially since you seem to be with the higher skilled "wheels only, no assists, real world tracks only" racers.


TLDR: Don't be an ass. Just because one DS3 user/someone with assists accidentally bumped you mid-way into the corner doesn't mean all DS3 users/people who use assists are garbage at racing.

Oh, and welcome to GTP: home of the elitists.
 
dalmaximus
Why do I find it So hard to find like minded racers who use steering wheels, drive fast cars and use no assists, on real world tracks.
I've had this game since it came out and can say that I've only had about 8 races where the other drivers are happy to drive without armbands on.
Why do so many insist on driving with tc, abs and all the other rubbish that takes away the skill of the drivers input.
If anyone reads this and plays like I do, leave me your username and save me from the child like racers.
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Ah, more "I have a wheel" snobbery. There are many lousy drivers who use a wheel and many excellent drivers who use a controller.

More "I don't need any assists" snobbery. First of all it's a game, not real racing. Secondly, if you can win against people who use assists while you use none then I guess you can say you're really good.

As some suggested, join a league or start your own room with all kinds of limitations and penalties to make it as 'real' as you want and to force people to play by the rules you like.

Other than that, you're whining.
 
SimonK
Elitist argument thread in 5.....4....3...
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As long that we are mature about this as a community, then this thread shouldn't turn into an argument.

dalmaximus
Why do I find it So hard to find like minded racers who use steering wheels, drive fast cars and use no assists, on real world tracks.
I've had this game since it came out and can say that I've only had about 8 races where the other drivers are happy to drive without armbands on.
Why do so many insist on driving with tc, abs and all the other rubbish that takes away the skill of the drivers input.
If anyone reads this and plays like I do, leave me your username and save me from the child like racers.
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Mind you, there are a few good racers that use a Dualshock controller. I also have a wheel (DFGT) and I love racing and drifting. You could add my PSN (MSTER232) and we could do races together whenever you wish.
 
I find filtering for Skid Force Recovery off will often mean the room usually only has ABS allowed.
The key thing is do not enter rooms where there are no restrictions.
Failing that create your own room.

Regards
 
Ridox2JZGTE
*everything*
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👍 for everything you've said in this thread. ABS in GT5 isn't ABS, it's "braking assist". If only had PD not given all cars 50/50 brake balance as default, maybe more people would realise it, and we'd read less posts saying braking without ABS is impossible or unrealistic. :crazy:

Big respect for "Ridox" aswell.

For the OP, best idea is to host your own room with no aids allowed and a suitable PP limit with suitable tyres. People will join, you'll have fun, add the good racers to your friends list and eventually you'll have a little scene built up.

Another great way is to join a good league. PURE Organization hosts really professional leagues with really good racers so it's a good idea to look into it. Only downside is, most guys racing in leagues (especially with prizes) are crazy fast, so keeping up with the competition takes some dedication.
 
TCS, SRF, ASM and ABS exist in the real world, and some of these aids are even installed and used in some real-world racing cars. Gran Turismo 5 is trying to be a driving/racing simulation so it's normal for people to use these aids. Not a big deal. Use them if you like, don't use them if you don't like. Have fun!
 
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dalmaximus
Why do I find it So hard to find like minded racers who use steering wheels, drive fast cars and use no assists, on real world tracks.
I've had this game since it came out and can say that I've only had about 8 races where the other drivers are happy to drive without armbands on.
Why do so many insist on driving with tc, abs and all the other rubbish that takes away the skill of the drivers input.
If anyone reads this and plays like I do, leave me your username and save me from the child like racers.
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Add me a whole bunch of us race in a lounge nightly,because of the same issue.
All we allow is ABS at 1
PSN
abetterplaya
 
Ridox2JZGTE
The ABS in GT5 is totally different than the actual ABS in real life. there is no actual mechanism of ABS simulated in GT5, ABS in GT5 is nothing but a glorified brake assists that will apply full brake force without locking up, the numbers of ABS strength only applies to how much the steering can still be used while braking hard.

Try to drive a real car with ABS, brake as hard as you can while turning into a corner, and feel the brake pedal ... when ABS system detect skids/ tire lock up, it will kick in, you will feel pulsation on the brake pedal and the brake distance would lengthen considerably when the wheel is also turning. Try that in GT5, the car will lose speed so quickly, you won't believe it can be done in real life. Then do so in GT5 WITHOUT ABS, try to do threshold braking, you will feel that when the tires are about to lock up, the car will lose balance .. I recommend to try 4/2 brake balance for a start, if it understeers, use 5/3, then gradually increase to 6/4, 7/5 till you find the sweet spot. With DS3, I usually use 5/3 or 6/4, if using racing tire, I can increase to 7/5

Another notes, when going at high speed, eg above 200kmh, without ABS, we can brake fully without locking, then we need to gradually decrease brake force as the car losing it's speed, much like in real life, practice and practice is the key
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Good thing to know .I've been trying to race with abs off but no luck wheels keep locking up.Big change in braking from abs 1 to 0. Will try this out later cheers .
 
I think it's unfair to classify users by their choice of controller. I'm no die-hard GT player but I do like a realistic 'clean' race online. I don't use many aids (just ABS, usually) but don't feel this makes me 'better' than someone who chooses to, I just feel as though I have an element more control without said aids cutting my power!

I would love a steering wheel. I really would. Unfortunately, as a 23 year-old who is about to move out and start a family, with all his spare money being spent on more important things and no physical space for a steering wheel setup, I don't much appreciate the elitism the more priveleged people seem to have.

I've only started playing GT5 more frequently because I had to sell my real-life sporty car for a depressing diesel!
 
DGXR
TCS, SRF, ASM and ABS exist in the real world, and some of these aids are even installed and used in some real-world racing cars. Gran Turismo 5 is trying to be a driving/racing simulation so it's normal for people to use these aids. Not a big deal. Use them if you like, don't use them if you don't like. Have fun!
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Partially right, SRF doesnt exist in real life, it's just a fake grip system.
 
We have a pretty good crew who will do whatever. I prefer GT500/300 with RH tires only and no driving assists on other than ABS, but I can drive without it too. Feel free to add me if you like.
 
I find that not the people are guilty for being in wrong lobbies, the description of online lobbies is the problem. Its too short, and I never really can explain what room rules actually are! PD need to create Main room name AND allow us to create a proper description for it! how hard can it be? 👍
 
I generally only enter lobbies which have mics disabled. Be it free-run or anything else, this usually gets me the better races.

Also what Tvensky said above!

Also, the room owner may want to change the name of the room from time to time. plus the obvious.
 
RX-7_FD3S
that's ******** btw. There's the same amount of people sucking with wheels and controllers. The only way to control the people you're racing with is to enter a league of some sort with strict rules and stewart. Wheel or not, assist or not, it's not really that that matter in GT5, it's the capacity of the people to respect someone over the internet and stick to rules.
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Well actually, even though I no longer play GT5 anymore, I can safely say that every lobby I managed to get into always had a top 4 fighting for most of the race which usually consisted of only wheel drivers. I haven't yet come across someone using a DS3 and being in the top 4 or beating me.

Maybe it's something of late, but back then that's how it worked. For me entering a league sounded good. So I entered the WSGTC and thought that maybe now I will get fair racing. But unluckily for me, it mostly ended the same as a normal online race and plagued by lag.

So for someone that does pickup racing only, wheel/DS3 filter is perfect.
 
ghsnu
And this is what I hate - people gloating that using a wheel and no assists makes you have "ubar 1337 skillz". Also known as elitism. Which I hate.

DS3 users can be just as good - I've had plenty of good races with others who use them. Don't be a biased 🤬.

Which brings me to assists: who gives a 🤬 if someone uses them? If you think your so great, you should be able to beat them - especially since you seem to be with the higher skilled "wheels only, no assists, real world tracks only" racers.


TLDR: Don't be an ass. Just because one DS3 user/someone with assists accidentally bumped you mid-way into the corner doesn't mean all DS3 users/people who use assists are garbage at racing.

Oh, and welcome to GTP: home of the elitists.
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yep, when I read threads like this and see posts from "The Elite" I like to read through their previous posts and see what i'm dealing with. It usually only takes a few posts and you can see the douchery. Then i dismiss them as "that" type of person and can only hope they don't reproduce :scared:

bluexterra
Ah, more "I have a wheel" snobbery. There are many lousy drivers who use a wheel and many excellent drivers who use a controller.

More "I don't need any assists" snobbery. First of all it's a game, not real racing. Secondly, if you can win against people who use assists while you use none then I guess you can say you're really good.

As some suggested, join a league or start your own room with all kinds of limitations and penalties to make it as 'real' as you want and to force people to play by the rules you like.

Other than that, you're whining.
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another voice of reason 👍
 
The only aid I use is abs! I can't stand when I'm flying up to a corner hit the brakes and start spinning out! That said I only put abs on 1 sometimes 2 depending on the car. I find abs really saves tires on longer tracks.
 
Mr-McNUGGET
yep, when I read threads like this and see posts from "The Elite" I like to read through their previous posts and see what i'm dealing with. It usually only takes a few posts and you can see the douchery. Then i dismiss them as "that" type of person and can only hope they don't reproduce :scared:

another voice of reason 👍
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Why cant all new members be this smart? Well said.
 
dalmaximus
Why do I find it So hard to find like minded racers who use steering wheels, drive fast cars and use no assists, on real world tracks.
I've had this game since it came out and can say that I've only had about 8 races where the other drivers are happy to drive without armbands on.
Why do so many insist on driving with tc, abs and all the other rubbish that takes away the skill of the drivers input.
If anyone reads this and plays like I do, leave me your username and save me from the child like racers.
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We use custom tracks in L.O.T.S, but we race 450,500,550pp cars no aides on sports hard tires with grip on real, damage heavy and tire and fuel consumption on. we have rules and race clean.
 

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