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Toe Angle
This is a very useful setting. I think most people are too conservative with these settings and try to keep them close to zero. There is a belief about the use of toe (and camber) increasing tire wear. I just haven’t seen it, nor have I seen anyone post any concrete tests to prove it. I see the exact same thing in the real world. People will run zero toe on their Spec Miata and claim that by running any toe that it will scrub a noticeable amount of straight line speed. Look at most road racing circuits and break down the miles into straight segments and turns… most have more miles of corners, right. I want to be faster than everyone else in the corners. That is what wins races – corner speed. If I can exit a corner leading onto a straight at 3 miles per hour faster than you, I will be 10 miles per hour faster than you at the end of the straight and be in perfect position to pass you in the easiest place to pass. Don’t be afraid to use this setting to give the car what it is asking for, either front or rear grip.
Also, toe settings do seem to be completely linear across the settings. Rear toe has a more significant effect on car rotation. Front toe doesn’t seem to add much corner grip – just moves the grip to the part of the corner where you need it. I use front toe to balance the corner for a smooth entry, mid-corner apex and exit.
Front toe:
• Higher negative number, more mid corner and exit grip and slightly reduced turn in. Nearly all of my cars use negative front toe.
• Zero is a neutral setting.
• Higher positive number, better turn in and less mid-corner and exit grip. Some high powered cars like LMP cars will have a low negative front toe number, neutral or a bit of positive front toe.
Rear toe:
• Higher negative number, more oversteer, more rotation. Don’t be afraid of negative rear toe on FR cars. If the car isn’t rotating, add negative toe. Most 4WD and FF tunes have negative rear toe.
• Zero is a neutral setting.
• Higher positive number, more planted rear, less rotation. Most of my FR, MR and RR tunes have some positive toe.
I have a quick question Hami. I found, At least in the instance of my 2000gt's rear settings negative toe actually tamed the rear end up. 0.20(stock) made the car slide out in every turn even going 5-10mph slower than recommended. But, -0.15 made it pick up the 5-10mph and still retain a measure of its character. It is still a work in progress so there may be other factors to this, I'm wondering if you have experienced this as well on any cars and if there may be exceptions?