G27 Vs. G25

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Hi,
According to Insidesimracing.tv the G27 is an incremintal upgrade (evolution)to the G25! does this mean that the Fanatec has the edge now to overthrow the king? with their all metal pedals, Gt3 RS and belt driven FF in addition to having three motors versus two for the G27.

I'm planning to upgrade (currently have the first gen DFP)to either but will wait to see which one will ultimately prevail.

Cheers,
 
According to Sim Racing Tonight, G27 is only improved version of G25.. But the RS Fanatec wheel and ClubSport pedals is still the king.

RS works, But all you have to do is change the date when playing on PS3 and GT5P.

If you play on PS3 and Xbox360 as well, just buy the Turbo S with Clubsport combo.
 
Moved to the steering wheels forum as it has nothing to do with GT5.
 
Hi,
According to Insidesimracing.tv the G27 is an incremintal upgrade (evolution)to the G25! does this mean that the Fanatec has the edge now to overthrow the king? with their all metal pedals, Gt3 RS and belt driven FF in addition to having three motors versus two for the G27.

I'm planning to upgrade (currently have the first gen DFP)to either but will wait to see which one will ultimately prevail.

Cheers,

If you're only deciding between the G25 and G27 I can tell you right now to just go for the G25. The "upgrades" the G27 presents just isn't worth the money over the, as I'd consider it, the more premium-laden G25.

The G27 doesn't offer a sequential mode, the shifter doesn't suffer from the clicking the G25's module did, but you can fix that yourself with a very easy-to-do modification, and the pedals are pretty much the same.

Oh, the wheel has four additional buttons mounted on the spoke, and there's a gear shift indicator, which to me is just....mreh.
 
^ Dont forget that the G27 Pedals can be adjusted left to right too. If you have a G25 already, then your right, its not worth upgrading. If your looking to buy your first, Do as I do and go for the G27. The new shifter and gears did it for me, sequential shifter doesnt do any thing for me. If I wanted that I would of got a DFT.

Also. I think the Fanatec wheels are so ugly, the Porsche wheel is the worst one they could of chosen.
 
If you're only deciding between the G25 and G27 I can tell you right now to just go for the G25. The "upgrades" the G27 presents just isn't worth the money over the, as I'd consider it, the more premium-laden G25.

The G27 doesn't offer a sequential mode, the shifter doesn't suffer from the clicking the G25's module did, but you can fix that yourself with a very easy-to-do modification, and the pedals are pretty much the same.

Oh, the wheel has four additional buttons mounted on the spoke, and there's a gear shift indicator, which to me is just....mreh.

To me the biggest thing is the upgrade to helical gears. But it all depends on price. If the G27 actually sells for its RRP, then go for the much cheaper G25. However I doubt the G27 will be selling for its RRP, and if it only costs a little bit more than the G25, I'd go for the G27.

Extra buttons and adjustable pedals sound nice (though you could probably just as easily drill extra holes in the G25 pedals to make them adjustable, if you're into mods). I'm aware there are mods to improve the shifter for the G25, but I know of people who have screwed their shifter trying to do them (either stopped working, can't change into certain gears anymore, wont lock in anymore, etc), so a better made shifter out of the box is welcome. I never use sequential on my G25 anyway, either paddles or H shifter.
 
I was also wondering in regard to the resolution of the pedals, according to insidesimracing the Clubsport pedal has higher resolution when connected to a PC but lower when connected to PS3! does this mean the level in which you can incrementally increase/decrease the throtle/brakes? but there is no mentioning of this data for the G27. is this a hardware cmpatibility? and does the G25 plagued by the same when connected to PS3 compared when connected to PC?

Thanks in advance,
 
I have a similar decision to make for my soon to be completed sim. I suppose that if I already had a G25 I wouldn't upgrade, but starting fresh I'll probably buy the G27. Improved shifter out of the box and helical gears are the kicker for me. I feel that if spending a little extra now can prevent me from replacing the wheel (for another year or two) it is definitely worth the coin. Sequential shifter isn't that important to me; I thought most real race drivers that had sequential gearboxes used the paddles anyway.
 
ATM I have the dfgt but I hate the pedals, the slow/noisy/robotic sound of the wheel...and I'm not really sure about the force feedback, it's great but I'm afraid I could brake it somehow using games like grid and dirt for drifts

I really don't know what to choose...
the g25 has the sequential transmission, the g27 doesn't
the g25 wheel is still a bit noisy, the g27 is silent and smooth
the g25 wheel only has 2 buttons, the g27 6 buttons and I like that
...not to mention $$$$, a big factor since I also need to buy a good wheel stand (now I'm using a homemade wood stand). If the g25 price drops A LOT I might go for it instead of the new one (350 euros? ISHH)
please help me
 
the dilemma has just begun! for me my first FF wheel was the logitech GT(it was a PC only wheel) back in 2001 when GT3 was released, when upgraded to DFP it was like day and night, now I wonder how I'm gonna absorb the overwhelming experience of either the G27 or the Fanatec GT3 RS!
but for "hardvibes" I think your budget would be fine with the good ol' G25 as the clearance price is almost 50% off right now here in NA. But the G27 can now detect wheel slip and feed this effect to the racer.

Unfortunately, the G27 cann't match the CS pedals so the Fanatec still has an advantage.

So far it is a wait and see situation form most of us at least till GT5 hits the street to see how the compatibilty issue will be finalized especially for Fanatec wheel.

Ciao,
 
I dont think compatibility is an issue with the G27. On Logitech site, it says the G27 is fully compatible with GT:Prologue so one is to assume it will be fully compat with GT5.
 
I am considering getting a wheel for christmas, to not only help my driving but also to get more into it. I see no reason buying pc sim racers atm, but the prospect of having a wheel means i am likely to want to play those realistic pc sims.

Top of my wishlist is the G25. Second on the list is the G27. I know that the G27 does not have a sequential shifter which may be a flaw, but apart from that i am clueless as to the advantages/disadvantage of them. Is the G27 worth the extra cost?

So i need advice on what to buy. I reckon i have in the region of £300 to spend (Or around $400-450). I do not want a cheap one, my parents bought me some sort of plastic Ferrari wheel for GT1 when i was a kid and it sucked. Suction cups to hold the wheel in place = not the best idea whoever designed that piece of crap. And the pedals were crap too.

So i want a decent wheel for £300, preferably less, maybe around £200. Can you guys recommend a wheel for me, to use with GT and with various games on PC?
 
I would go for the G25. I really dont think there is much difference between the G25 and the G27 except for the few flashy lights and the extra buttons. But not having a choice with the gears is a downfall.
 
G25 or the Fanatec Turbo S wheel, I'd lean towards the Turbo S because it gives you more flexibility and both of these are within your budget.
 
Thanks guys :)

I've heard good things about the G25 throughout the forum, and its only £130 so i think i'll go with that :D

With the rest of the money could get a stand for it aswell. I'm looking at the wheel stand pro which is £99, i've read a couple of reviews, but what do you think? Can i get a better one out there for similar price?

I think a decent seat would be a little out of my price range at the moment, i can just use my computer seat for now.
 
Thanks guys :)

I've heard good things about the G25 throughout the forum, and its only £130 so i think i'll go with that :D

With the rest of the money could get a stand for it aswell. I'm looking at the wheel stand pro which is £99, i've read a couple of reviews, but what do you think? Can i get a better one out there for similar price?

I think a decent seat would be a little out of my price range at the moment, i can just use my computer seat for now.

G25 and Wheel Stand Pro is about as good as you going to get for your price range. Don't think twice, go out and get it already :lol: 👍
 
Any of the Logitech or Fanatec wheels is a good buy. Which one is less important than just having one! Personally, with limited funds, I would probably go for a cheap G25 - surely you can get one for less than 130 Pounds somewhere now? Whether to buy a stand depends on how you're going to play: big TV from couch or chair, or smaller TV on desk, in which case you're just going to attach the unit to the desk.
 
Any of the Logitech or Fanatec wheels is a good buy. Which one is less important than just having one! Personally, with limited funds, I would probably go for a cheap G25 - surely you can get one for less than 130 Pounds somewhere now? Whether to buy a stand depends on how you're going to play: big TV from couch or chair, or smaller TV on desk, in which case you're just going to attach the unit to the desk.

Attaching it to a desk it out of the question for me, no room for it. I have my laptop table, but its foldable legs get in the way so i won't be able to use the pedals. I did a quick google search ofr the G25 and i found it £130 on Play.com. When i come to buy it i will shop around a bit more, maybe even consider getting a 2nd hand one.
 
So i want a decent wheel for £300, preferably less, maybe around £200. Can you guys recommend a wheel for me, to use with GT and with various games on PC?

Go for the Fanatec PWTS, the "S" version works out about £315 at the mo, it's quieter than the Logitech offerings, will work on PS3, PC and if you feel the need at a later date to play on XBox 360 it will work on that too.

Watch my review videos on youtube for my Fanatec Reviews including gameplay with GT5P, RACE Pro & Forza3

http://www.youtube.com/user/UKOGjonboy



I am currently waiting for a friend to lend me his G25 so I can compare those two and will do a vid as soon as I can.
 
I helped myself to a budget G25 (160€) and it really makes all the difference - can't really understand now how I could have been putting up with a controller.

The G25 is rather decent and doesn't feel that toy-like, but the bad quality leather, the gimicky and not labelled buttons, a flimsy D-pad and some not very sturdy looking cables won't justify a price-tag much higher than 150€ in my view.

I can't tell how the G27 is, but I guess it's pretty close to what was on offer with the G25.

On the other hand the G25 is much quieter than I expected and the dead zone in neutral steering is rather pleasant and quite small.

Personally I wouldn't go for the Fanatec, because I'd have to draw the line somewhere, but for multi console or 360 users, it's pretty much the only choice they have.

jonboy1066

I enjoyed your new videos very much, keep up the great work!
 
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I noticed that there are no buttons on the shifter that makes you switch between the H-Pattern and sequential mode. (At the place of the logitech logo)
Does that mean that the paddles are useless ?

I'm hesitating between the G25 and the G27. The G25 is 270 $ CAD and the G27 is 300 $ CAD.
The lack of a sequential mode is what will make me choose the G25 rather than the G27 because the differences don't seem so radical.
 
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@ Seismica

Unless you are dead-set on either a G25 or G27, I would recommend getting
a refurbished DFGT off eBay for around $60. In addition, I would get a Playseat Evolution for around $300. This would be what, around 240 Euros? (Or, you could get a Playseat Classic for around $179, but the reviews I've read said the wheel mount is pretty wobbly/unstable--that combo would be 160 Euros) If you like the DFGT/Playseat combo, but would like to upgrade, you can save the left over money for a G25/G27 for next year. You can then re-sell the DFGT on eBay for about the same amount as you paid for it, so you won't be out any money there. Think of it as a "starter kit" that will get you into racing wheels on the cheap, while at the same time giving you an excellent cockpit that should last for many years to come, and that will accomodate just about any wheel/pedal combo you choose in the future.

Additionally, I think it's possible you could see the price of the G27 come down just a bit between now and the release of GT5.
Perhaps not likely, but possible. As for the G25, I thought it's price would have come down more by now, but who knows, maybe it will also be cheaper in a few months as well. In the meantime, you will have yourself a great sim racing setup "on the cheap", and you will be getting acclimated to using a wheel in the comfort of a purpose-built driving cockpit.

Having a cockpit/racing seat adds tremendously to your enjoyment of games, and I can tell you from experience that the DFGT will perform just as well as a G25, G27 or Fanatec wheel. Within the past seven months, I bought a G25, then a DFGT, sold those to get a Fanatec, sold the Fanatec, and now have a G27. Yeah, I'm an idiot. But I can vouch for the quality and reliability of Logitech wheels. And there is no better value in wheels than the DFGT. To be sure, the G25/G27 offer a better "experience", but they don't offer better performance, at least in my experience.

@ LIL KACHING

The only game where the G27 paddle shifters do not work is GT5 Prologue, at least to my knowledge. They work fine in most other games, and they work in every PC sim I've tried--rFactor, GTR Evo, iRacing, and GTR2. My guess is that they won't ever work in Prologue, because Polyphony can't be bothered to release a small patch for it, and that's what it would take. But from everything I've read, Logitech sounds confident that it will work in GT5. So if you really want to use one of those two wheels right now in Prologue with the paddle shifters, maybe the G25 is the way to go. Both wheels are virtually equal in performance. The main difference I see is that the G27 has slightly stronger force feedback, and a slightly smaller "deadzone" than the G25. But don't let the word deadzone scare you. It's the best way I know to describe the 3 to 5 degrees in the center of the wheel that have a little less feedback than you might want, but you get used to it, and it doesn't really affect the wheel's performance or your laptimes 👍
 
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The G27's paddles also don't work in SuperCar Challenge and probably not Ferrari Challenge either since it's the same game pretty much. SCC's next patch will make the G27's paddle shifters work. The patch will also make SCC the first non PC game to use the LED shift light that the G27 has.
 
I was going to get the Logitech Driving force GT wheel with the lousy pedals, but then I watched insidesimracing and really got interested in the G27 wheel. I told my wife about it and had her watch the show with me and for 3 days she didn't say anything, but yesterday I found the G27 wheel on sale for $249.03 and that included shipping and she told me to go ahead and order it because I might as well get a good wheel the first time so I don't need to upgrade later.....SWEET!! I am so excited and can't wait to get them which should be sometime next week. I too looked at the different Porsch wheels, but the price was way to far outside what even I would spend, besides here I was thinking I was going to get just the Driving Force wheel and now I am going to be getting the best wheel from Logitech. I will say that the place that I got the G27 had the G25 also in stock, but the G25 was already $249.00 and that was before the shipping was added in...strange. I agree with the people that say if you have the G25 there is no reason to upgrade (as long as it is still working great), but if you are thinking of which one to get I would go with the G27 for sure. If you are on a budget (like I am ) then the Driving force GT is a good wheel, but then again if you have an awesome wife have her watch insidesimracing and bug her a little.
 
Part of the reason for getting a G25/G27 over the DFGT is to have the H-shifter. It definitely won't make you faster, but it is very enjoyable to use (once you get used to it). Also the pedals are significantly superior.

I have no idea why ItsHim describes the G25/G27 as having "bad quality" leather - perhaps ItsHim has a special "thing" for leather :) , but to my eye/feel the G25 leather is very nice quality. Also, I don't see what is "gimicky" about the buttons on the shifter - they are very minimal & straightforward...
 
I have no idea why ItsHim describes the G25/G27 as having "bad quality" leather - perhaps ItsHim has a special "thing" for leather :) , but to my eye/feel the G25 leather is very nice quality. Also, I don't see what is "gimicky" about the buttons on the shifter - they are very minimal & straightforward...

Oh hell yes Sir, I love me black leather pants ;)

Seriously, the Logitech leather doesn't compare too well with RL material used in cars these days. So if you switch straight from an Audi to the Logitech, it's a bit of a let down.

At least they could have labelled the buttons in a generic way, and have chosen to do them even in metal or car interior style plastic. They have a 70s retro look&feel to them.

Anyway, I really do like the G25 with GT4 and am eagerly awaiting the switch to GT5 and see what clutch and H-Shifter will do to my experience. In fact once I got used to the FFB, it far exceeded my expectations.

But asking 300€ originally is just too much considering they did cut corners in some places. It's good value for money for current street prices though.
 
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