The Last Corner

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Hey guys,

I've reached the point in the demo where I feel I've got the right technique for every corner on the track, in both cars, except the last one (turn 11), and this applies to both normal and tuned. My times are 1'36.0xx / 1'48.0xx, and without a reliable technique for the last corner I'm never going to break the 35s or 47s required to stay in the UK top 20.

There are occasions where I accidentally get it right and seem to make up nearly 0.250 on a good ghost/lap of mine by the start/finish line, clearly showing me I have the speed in T1/2/3 to score 35s and 47s. I have followed a 1'35.5 ghost and a 1'47.7 ghost for days and can match them right up to turn 11 on a very good lap, but I can never convert that last corner into the magic lap like others have done..whether I switch the ghost on or off.

In the normal car my approach has been to make sure after exiting turn 10, that I get over to the left asap and straighten the car before braking, ensuring no extra lateral forces on the car while braking. I start braking at the very start of the skidmarks on the tarmac and pretty much turn in at the same time. Just a gentle dab of the brakes, and I'm on partial throttle over the grey paving ( I cut the corner a significant amount, but have tried not doing this also) building as slowly as possible without causing any skidding or screeching, and then get to full throttle when off the kerbing and try to use as little angle in the steering as possible. My aim is to carry a minimum apex speed of 62mph.

Should I be braking later and turn in sharper to have a straighter exit?

Aim for a higher apex speed?

Do not straighten the car before braking to turn right?

Get almost on to the grass on the left and turn in sharply?

Turn the wheel a fraction of a second before applying brakes? Brakes first?

I'm just completely at a loss and never take the corner the same twice. I know it sometimes depends on how much speed you have when arriving at the braking zone due to a very good turn 10, but this is usually quite consistent for me.

I've watched so many many replays from different drivers here and on the leaderboard, but I just can't pinpoint what those guys are doing differently, I just notice their ghosts really escape through that last part of circuit.

Any help or advice, or even pictures would be greatly appreciated. I've watched as many replays as I can deal with, but maybe I'm not looking at the right thing...

All the best
Maz

EDIT: I should mention that even though i know what I should be doing on every other corner, it rarely happens on the same lap, but just sometimes it all goes really well right up to turn 11...
 
tony1311
Isn't this a competition?
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GT Academy is a competition, GTP is a community.

The sooner you learn this, the sooner you'll start to understand why things have not always gone smoothly for you here.

All the best
Maz
 
Synwraith
GT Academy is a competition, GTP is a community.

The sooner you learn this, the sooner you'll start to understand why things have not always gone smoothly for you here.

All the best
Maz
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Don't expect too many answers.
 
With the tuned car in the last corner i put the right side of the car in the sand(?) and the left tyres in the curb, this way i can go full on the gas.
But i do 1.39 sometimes 1.38... i'm not playing very much, and i now i can reach at least 1.37. But i don't have the time. =[
 
My method, and its probably not the greatest as I am using a pad and just in the 37s (just!) is to turn early and get all braking and everything done so you can be straight and on full power over the kerbs and apex.
 
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The line isn't far from being good if you aim to keep the grass corners between your legs on both occasions.. this helped me to aim the line better. :) It's a different story to do it every lap though.

like this (from Dan's vid - normal car; nicely done 👍)

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edit,

tony - this doesn't concern you, so don't look.
 
Thank you very much Timo, I will give that a try for sure 👍

Does this also apply to the tuned car?

All the best
Maz
 
I have much the same problem with this corner too, i find very difficult to replicate a good line through here time after time. And too many times I have a personal best, until I lose way too much on this turn.
I find that you do have to cut the corner a lot. And after looking at my replays even when i think I have cut the corner way too much, the outside wheels are still on the kerb, and so, legal. Perhaps you could keep an eye on your speedo and look for a best minimum speed you can achieve. My best (tuned) minimum speed is 116/117 km/h at the apex, but obviously you need to carry that good speed through the exit and power down early with no spin, and look for around 155km/h at the end of the kerb on exit.
Not that I'm telling you anything you don't know I'm sure, as I'm about a 2/10ths behind you in total time with a 3'24.343".
 
tony1311
Don't expect too many answers.
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Why would he want "too many answers" anyway? 👎

The final corner is the corner you'll do the least, if you're anything like me Maz. I'll usually re-start most after turns 1 and 2...thus getting most practise at them...but we very rarely get to do flat out attempts at the final turn. Well...I don't anyway lol.

Perhaps, if you do restart laps...maybe just carry on instead so you get a proper attempt at the final corner without the pressure?

I also find the trajectory out of turn 10 makes a big different, especially in Tuned. I struggle to get the car pointing into the turn, before I brake...something I notice most of the quick guys are able to do.

It's bloody tight at the top now mate. It's not going to get any easier :guilty:
 
My advice is to brake sooner than usual and really cut the corner as much as you can. But I'm only 36.9 myself so I don't think thats valid advice.
 
Notice Dan is only 3/4 throttle exitting the turn? Then he 'taps' the throttle, in an alien fashion, until he can get wide open way later than I would guess from one of the fastest times in the world.

You may also want to watch his replay, and focus on the G-meter. It is never stationary, but rather twitchy. Again, not what I expected.
 
IsmokeGT
Notice Dan is only 3/4 throttle exitting the turn? Then he 'taps' the throttle, in an alien fashion, until he can get wide open way later than I would guess from one of the fastest times in the world.

You may also want to watch his replay, and focus on the G-meter. It is never stationary, but rather twitchy. Again, not what I expected.
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It's funny you mention that.
Yesterday I also noticed that for the first time and started to "tap the throttle in an alien fashion" :P and gained at least 2 tenth seconds in the first half of the circuit 👍
 
IsmokeGT
Notice Dan is only 3/4 throttle exitting the turn? Then he 'taps' the throttle, in an alien fashion, until he can get wide open way later than I would guess from one of the fastest times in the world.

You may also want to watch his replay, and focus on the G-meter. It is never stationary, but rather twitchy. Again, not what I expected.
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I know davissi isn't 2nd like GTP_DHolland is, but he's still a 3 eyed-alien and his technique for 3/4 quarter throttle is to keep it nailed but ever-so slightly breathe on the brake pedal if it begins to get sideways.

That or he's got a dusty contact switch on his brake pedal ;)
 
Hi guys,

Thanks for the many useful responses, just because some of you may have run a slightly slower lap than mine, it doesn't make your contributions any less valuable. Thank you for taking the time 👍

I have attached a replay of my 1'36.004 lap, it had a T2 worthy of a 1'35, literally on the bumper of the #1 UK ghost (EDDSKILL - 1'35.574) at T2 and I don't see what I could have done vastly different in T3, so my guess is I fudged the last corner again?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated 👍

There is also a GT5P repaly in the folder, please ignore that.

All the best
Maz
 

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I'm having the exact same problem, the only difference to me is that i also have major problems at turn 10 (the one you have to upshift to 3rd on the tuned).

I can't play this week, but up until sunday i was chasing timeattack's ghosts and in one lap i was about half a car lengh ahead of his ghost, only to lose major time on turns 10 and 11.

Point is, like you, i'm very close to the top ghosts but then i lose all my laps on those two final corners.

This is a great thread, because the replays alone, specially without slow motion, don't tell you the whole story.

But here's what i want to bring up: since we're discussing turn 11, let's also talk about turn 10. (i don't feel i should make a separate thread just for that).

I mentioned somehow in a previous post, but didn't get any answers. Last sessions i spent with the tuned car, so here's the question: what's the secret on turn 10? I know i need to do three things: shift to 3rd, turn the car in and brake, but in what order?

Also, what's the best line to take that corner?

I tried to copy what the ghosts would do linewise (Dan's, timeattack and Takeuchi01) but my tuned car would always end up in a spot where wheelspin would be a problem, even if i tried to apply smooth steering.

With that being said, what's the secret there?

I'm not running for any prizes, but i'm just frustrated as hell that i have splits for 35's and 47's but can't quite make it due to the final two turns. (horrible restart spot makes my time trial sessions even worst).

Currently i'm at 1'36'058 and 1'48'229, but T2 splits should be for 35'8 and 47'9 laps.

Thanks in advance.
 
This may seem obvious to you guys who are thrashing my time but I find now I've picked a spot in the distance to aim at coming out of turn 10, I think it's a slightly lighter building or part of the building, and then try to straighten up similar to Kaz's ghost I take the turn a lot more consistently, I'm also aiming for above 113kph when I check my speedo as I cross the ripple strip with the left wheels. I also notice DHolland's ghost gets out to the left hand edge of the track in preperation for the corner way sooner than I was doing, which makes you more calm and prepared at the turn in point.

This and turn 6 are also killing me too, I can't seem to nail the turn where you cross the ripple near the paint, I aim for 100kph at the apex, but just don't seem to be able to get the power down coming out of the corner as quickly as everyone else.

Will try this tapping of the throttle on the way out maybe... shrugs.
 
I think the final sector at this track is incredibly difficult to get right.
I haven't watched your replay yet Maz, but here is what I am doing for the final corner, and it seems to help. After taking a break from these cars since New Year's Eve, I trimmed my Normal time down to a '47.767 earlier tonight, so hopefully, this is good advice.

Like you, I try to get over to the left-hand side of the track ASAP after exiting turn 10 in order to set up a straighter, shorter line for entry into turn 11. Also, like you, I barely tap/scrape the brake to scrub off a little speed, and I try to be as steady as possible while turning in.

I'm finding that any amount of tire squeal in these cars will cost you time, even moreso than in GT5P it seems.
At every corner on this track, I try to find the method that will allow me to take that corner with as little tire squeal
as possible--especially turn 11. Try to be as mindful of eliminating tire squeal as you possibly can. It's been a trial and error
process for me, and I'm always searching for ways to minimize any loss of traction. For example, at turn 11, everything can look
great. You nail the apex, get on the throttle early, but you inexplicably lose time to the ghost in front of (or behind you). For me, it's usually
down to tire squeal.

Something else I do, is immediately after tapping the brake, I just let the car coast to the apex. I let the speed drop to about 60/61mph before I begin applying throttle as smoothly as I can. It seems by letting off the throttle, I can minimize wheelspin/tire squeal, and also get on the gas more smoothly than if I try to maintain a small amount of throttle.

I think the clip of Dan's lap that Timo posted shows an excellent approach to the apex of turn 11. Also, try to make your line through there as short as possible. I think sometimes running a bit wide to carry speed through a corner is good, but on this corner, I think running even a slight bit wide can be counterproductive. This is all with the Normal Z in mind, but I think the same concepts apply to the Tuned as well.

I think that bottom line, the keys to that turn for me are:

1. Take care of business before the turn by getting over to the left hand side asap after turn 10 exit.
2. Gently tap the break to scrub off speed
3. Let off the throttle and let the car "set" before smoothly applying throttle at about 61 mph.
4. Take the shortest possible line through the corner.
5. Getting full throttle ASAP > Minimum speed.
6. Keep tire squeal to a minimum.

Hope that helps. And you will eventually get this corner down. I have no doubt about it. And once you do, you'll be well down into the 35's/47's :cheers:
 
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Great advices for the final corner.

Any light on Turn 10?

(the one with the brake, shift, turn in sequence).
 
ripping_silk
My best (tuned) minimum speed is 116/117 km/h at the apex, but obviously you need to carry that good speed through the exit and power down early with no spin, and look for around 155km/h at the end of the kerb on exit.
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Interesting. In my best laps I seldom have an apex speed above 110 km/h. I am, however, at full throttle there so I am still able to reach 156 km(h at the end of the kerbing. Different lines probably. I try to use as much of the left hand kerb as possible.

Strange also that it doesn't matter if you're at 156 or 152 km/h at the end of the kerb, you will always pass the finish line with 249 anyway.
 
Anghammarad
Strange also that it doesn't matter if you're at 156 or 152 km/h at the end of the kerb, you will always pass the finish line with 249 anyway.
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Because the very last corner, the banked right hander, costs you speed, and most lines you take will exit you at around about 230kmph, regardless of the entry speed (within reason) into the the banked corner
 
Same problem here with T11.
Very helpfull thread!
Have a lot of things to try out right now:)

Edit:
Just broke my PB (by 90 milli's) on second lap of the day.
Eternal gratitude!
 
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cpp214
I think the final sector at this track is incredibly difficult to get right.
I haven't watched your replay yet Maz, but here is what I am doing for the final corner, and it seems to help. After taking a break from these cars since New Year's Eve, I trimmed my Normal time down to a '47.767 earlier tonight, so hopefully, this is good advice.

Like you, I try to get over to the left-hand side of the track ASAP after exiting turn 10 in order to set up a straighter, shorter line for entry into turn 11. Also, like you, I barely tap/scrape the brake to scrub off a little speed, and I try to be as steady as possible while turning in.

I'm finding that any amount of tire squeal in these cars will cost you time, even moreso than in GT5P it seems.
At every corner on this track, I try to find the method that will allow me to take that corner with as little tire squeal
as possible--especially turn 11. Try to be as mindful of eliminating tire squeal as you possibly can. It's been a trial and error
process for me, and I'm always searching for ways to minimize any loss of traction. For example, at turn 11, everything can look
great. You nail the apex, get on the throttle early, but you inexplicably lose time to the ghost in front of (or behind you). For me, it's usually
down to tire squeal.

Something else I do, is immediately after tapping the brake, I just let the car coast to the apex. I let the speed drop to about 60/61mph before I begin applying throttle as smoothly as I can. It seems by letting off the throttle, I can minimize wheelspin/tire squeal, and also get on the gas more smoothly than if I try to maintain a small amount of throttle.

I think the clip of Dan's lap that Timo posted shows an excellent approach to the apex of turn 11. Also, try to make your line through there as short as possible. I think sometimes running a bit wide to carry speed through a corner is good, but on this corner, I think running even a slight bit wide can be counterproductive. This is all with the Normal Z in mind, but I think the same concepts apply to the Tuned as well.

I think that bottom line, the keys to that turn for me are:

1. Take care of business before the turn by getting over to the left hand side asap after turn 10 exit.
2. Gently tap the break to scrub off speed
3. Let off the throttle and let the car "set" before smoothly applying throttle at about 61 mph.
4. Take the shortest possible line through the corner.
5. Getting full throttle ASAP > Minimum speed.
6. Keep tire squeal to a minimum.

Hope that helps. And you will eventually get this corner down. I have no doubt about it. And once you do, you'll be well down into the 35's/47's :cheers:
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:bowdown:

Thank you so much Carlito, I cannot wait to give this a try. There are a number of things I had not thought about like not letting the car drift out so wide etc, this is precisely what I was hoping for.

You're a diamond mate, I appreciate you taking the time and congratulations on a simply stunning set of laptimes, the very best in the United States no less :cheers:

All the best
Maz
 
The last corner is extremely difficult to execute, any time, no matter If you're on a stunning lap and the adreniline is pumping, or on an average lap, it requires very precise, trusting steering inputs that allow you to maximise corner exit speed whilst avoiding oversteer, and to do this, you have to maintain a suprisingly consistent steering lock throughout the corner and as you veer on to the rumble strip (If required), the common instinctive action is to floor the accelerator as you exit and attempt to correct the possible slight drift that may have been caused, often resulting in an over correction and a loss of exit speed, maintain trust that the car won't need a great deal of correction whilst exiting the corner, even if the car becomes slightly unstable.

Rythm with this corner is CRITICAL, very rarely will you nail it completely If you haven't nailed it the lap before
 

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