List your B-Spec complaints here.

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I figure with a new subtopic a new thread should be in order for it.

I love B-spec as my normal life is too busy to keep up otherwise. With that said I'm a stat nut, so I often go into the Live Timing Monitor which has several failures.

1.) Can't see 4th section on the timing unless the race features more than 4 sections.

2.) Can't see tire and gas limitations without switching back to Full-Screen Monitor.

3.) Time gaps overall once a lap is passed or even differential between people during section intervals.

I for one haven't made suggestions to fix this but would be interested if a significant amount is demonstrated here and hopefully sent to PD.

k, thxs Phelyx.
 
I've been thinking the same.

Ay ay, for your suggestion number 2 and 3.

How about limiting the fuel they start the race with, instead of always starting on a full tank.

Easier control of fuel filling. Instead of 0 to full, from actual level, a 0 to full from actual 0 would be easier. Or maybe just an option of full, 3/4, 1/2 or 1/4 tank.

More control of the drivers, when they are resting. To be able to se the rest level of each Bob, to better decide, whos gonna take the next tour. Maybe be able to make a rotation schedule.

Why can the cursor be put ontop of the drivers field, when you are not able to press anything?


Fkold
B-spec, 34, currently grinding Suzuka 9h
 
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I was thinking as well about the fuel, in most races I've watched live or in television, I'm certainly recall the fuel finish before or when the tires were replaced as opposed to taking additional 5-10 seconds. A lap in indy car can last 2 minutes on the lap in and 30 seconds on the lap out if you need to refill your full tank. I don't think it takes that long to fill an indy racer car of fuel...I could be wrong here.
 
fkold
How about limiting the fuel they start the race with, instead of always starting on a full tank.
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That plus; taking on fuel only for a 'splash and dash' or when the tyres are only half or less used, but fully warmed up.
ie a 'no change' option in the tyres menu on pit entry.

Applies to Aspec as well.
 
Everything mentioned above, plus B Spec takes wayy too long to level up on at the back end of the levelling process, level 29 and above and so on, just makes it a bit more boring for us as I don't like just leaving PS3 on when I'm not there, so a save function in b spec endurances aswell!
 
Hi
I just finished the lamborghini challenge in b-spec mode, but something really funny happened (not really)...
I'm at midle level 13 with all the races that i've been able to do finhished 1st. But for the next challenge, i have to be level 14.. How could this happen?
How could the xp rewarded after the races not cover the xp i need for the next one's?

Can someone help?
(sorry, not very good at english writing)
 
Pfo4r
Hi
I just finished the lamborghini challenge in b-spec mode, but something really funny happened (not really)...
I'm at midle level 13 with all the races that i've been able to do finhished 1st. But for the next challenge, i have to be level 14.. How could this happen?
How could the xp rewarded after the races not cover the xp i need for the next one's?

Can someone help?
(sorry, not very good at english writing)
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just go back to the other races and do them again until you level up!

Welcome to the B-Spec grind :indiff:
 
1.) Too hard to level up (aka "the Grind") Do the game makers think we are fools? Are they laughing at us? :dunce:

2.) Pit stops are F-d up, sometimes the car doesnt take on fuel if your not there to select, ever, single, stop. Then he runs out and drives around a lap at 49 mph. :drool:

3.) The X2010 is like a roller coaster from hell in the hands of "B spec Bob". :scared: The number of spinouts and rear end crashes & "punts" where he punts other cars out of the way. :crazy:

4.) IN LOVE with the brake pedal. Brakes on the exit of corners, brakes behind other cars instead of overtaking, brakes on straightaways with no cars ahead, etc, etc.

5.) The AI opponents are a joke. The hard part is dodging around them like obstacles on the track. Sometimes when the car runs out of fuel it brings the speed comparison closer together rather than farther apart. :sly:

6.) Mindlessness. The only way I can explain it....Grinding against walls over and over, pitting on the last lap, final turn home stretch while leading by 2 secs..... :drool:
 
Phelyx
I was thinking as well about the fuel, in most races I've watched live or in television, I'm certainly recall the fuel finish before or when the tires were replaced as opposed to taking additional 5-10 seconds. A lap in indy car can last 2 minutes on the lap in and 30 seconds on the lap out if you need to refill your full tank. I don't think it takes that long to fill an indy racer car of fuel...I could be wrong here.
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Rich S
1.) Too hard to level up (aka "the Grind") Do the game makers think we are fools? Are they laughing at us? :dunce:

2.) Pit stops are F-d up, sometimes the car doesnt take on fuel if your not there to select, ever, single, stop. Then he runs out and drives around a lap at 49 mph. :drool:

3.) The X2010 is like a roller coaster from hell in the hands of "B spec Bob". :scared: The number of spinouts and rear end crashes & "punts" where he punts other cars out of the way. :crazy:

4.) IN LOVE with the brake pedal. Brakes on the exit of corners, brakes behind other cars instead of overtaking, brakes on straightaways with no cars ahead, etc, etc.

5.) The AI opponents are a joke. The hard part is dodging around them like obstacles on the track. Sometimes when the car runs out of fuel it brings the speed comparison closer together rather than farther apart. :sly:

6.) Mindlessness. The only way I can explain it....Grinding against walls over and over, pitting on the last lap, final turn home stretch while leading by 2 secs..... :drool:
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sounds very familiar...especially the brakes
 
1. The drivers are slaves to the racing line, to the point of excessively slowing down to stay in it, rather than making a common sense decision to abandon the racing line in the pursuit of maintaining/increasing speed/position.

2. The driving line they are stuck in isn't nearly aggressive enough.

3. The driver pacing system is terrible. A "hot" driver shouldn't pace down to a crawl for laps 2 through 200 just because he has the lead. The only thing worse is watching him cruise around cold for 190 laps when NOT leading, just because there isn't another driver in his immediate vicinity. If you're not winning, you shouldn't need encouragement to speed up. The permanent 1 to 5 pacing scale used in GT4 was 100x better than this system.

4. The XP and leveling system used to unlock races is broken. Having a license requirement for event entry makes more sense than having to B-Spec 240 hours of a single endurance race just to unlock the last 24 hour race. Better yet, that last race is worth the most XP, but there is no level after 40 for those points to apply to. After reaching 35, you'll do 264 hours of B- Spec, and have 2 cars to show for it.

5. That last gripe wouldn't be too bad if not for the inability to speed up the time clock. These races require too much time to complete, and it makes zero sense to have them all play 1:1 against real time, especially when you don't even need to watch the race.

6. The reason you don't even need to watch the races is because B-Spec teaches you that absolutely obliterating the field in a vastly superior car is the best possible approach. The game does nothing to increase rewards for close/competitive racing. Winning by 40 laps teaches your driver just as much as winning by .4 seconds, so why drag out the race and unnecessarily risk/delay your rewards?

7. The drivers you train in B-Spec can't join you in your own A-Spec Endurance career. Why should I drive 24 hours at LeMans all alone when I have perfectly capable drivers I've been training to do the same thing? My B-Spec drivers can split a 24-hour race among three drivers, so why can't I? I would love to drive a 4-hour shift and hand the car over to my guys for the next 8 hours, which I could watch, or just skip up to my next shift behind the wheel. Using your own trained B-Spec drivers instead of some random level 0 scrubs (that would waste all your hard work by losing your lead) would make the ultimate incentive to play in B-Spec mode.
 
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Ryan-

I couldn't agree more with your points. One of the main issues with the drivers cooling off on their own comes into play during endurance races. When pit stops get off sequence between cars, you could be running back in 3rd place after your first pit stop (before anyone else) by yourself and doing terrible laps. Meanwhile, the 1st and 2nd place cars could be running side by side, which improves their lap times, and makes up tons of time on you. Ultimately, they can (and sometimes do) come out in front of you after their stop, even though you're the faster car but running slower because you're by yourself.

Bottom line, you should be able to set a pace that the driver tries to achieve all race. They could use the same format as they have now, except when you push "maintain pace", it sits at that pace for the entirety of the race.

-SeaBass
 
Better car control.

Tsukuba circuit my BOB spins every car I give to him. Bone stock or heavily modified. Also "Take Over" doesn't mean "Slam on the brakes in the next corner, and lose the position to take over from". 👎
 
I would love to see better strategy options. Instead of saying "pit when your stamina is 10%" why can't I say "Pit on Laps X, Y and Z"?

And I'd like to see better suggestions than "Pace up/down, maintain and overtake". I think it would be better to give your driver a target lap time and have them go at it. It's more realistic management that way. Instead of "Maintain Pace" it would be better to say "Defend your position".

"Overtake" is just silly. Isn't that a standing order? I doubt Ross Brawn had to constantly say to Michael Schumacher "Go ahead and pass that backmarker".

I also wouldn't mind being able to let Bob shake down cars in practice. Just to see what he likes best. He's a beast in the FGT, but I wasn't going to trust him with it until I saw it here.
 
Stop giving us the car we just bought and upgraded as a reward for the race we just won. Please give me something I can use perhaps somewhere else.

Win the Lupo Cup, what do you get? A Lupo! Yahooo
Win the 80's Japanese challenge and get? An 80's Japanese car! Hurray!
I had to buy my Ferrari.

Let me say this again. I had to buy my Ferrari. Why not win a Ferrari in the Lambo challenge or a Lambo in the Ferrari challenge? Then you only buy one car instead of buying 2 cars and then...wait for it... winning the 2 cars you don't need anymore.

Wow. These Redbull energy drinks are awesome.
 
Pretty annoyed that I cant just sign a driver onto my team... I mean, look at Ferrari- When's the last time they've nursed a driver from Formula Ford all the way up to F1 themselves? They haven't in recent years I know for sure. Actually, I'm struggling to think of anyone other than Lewis Hamilton who was spoon-fed his career in Formula 1. So why can't i sign a good driver? I have money! Daytona 24 hour- Uses a lot of NASCAR and other drivers who don't usually participate in the Rolex Series... So why can't i even sign a driver for just ONE race?
 
Has anyone else noticed Bob's complete innability to overtake back markers? Granted, they should really be getting out of his way, but he will sit behind them until he loses the lead time and time again. Useless.
 
Dear Bob,

This isn't the D1 Championships. Calm your ham broski. You're in an MX-5 on Tsukuba!

It doesn't matter if he's in an MX-5 or a Maserati, he still drifts those things even on "Slow Pace"
I really do not know what i'm doing wrong :|
So i abandoned B-Spec ages ago.
 
Most of my complaints have been resoundingly addressed:tup:

I have one to add that I have never seen here. I do the 24 hrs Le Mans alot since its taking me 10 years to get from level 38-40 so i can do the 24 hrs Nurburgring sigh. What I notice is that there is a default setting for when the car has barely enough fuel to go two laps. The computer will let you attack until then then all of a sudden Bob cant run fast anymore or over take cars that he was blowing by previously. He will stop driving fast to the point that rolling chicanes will put multiple seconds on you until you pit and refuel.

My gripe is that since Im the one calling the shots I should be the one to decide. If I say overtake, maintain pace etc then thats what Bob should do. Im so sick of the computer taking control like that. Invariably he has enough fuel to do the two laps at mid temper to a little above but the stupid conservative programming kicks in on the laps wehre you are trying to make up as much seconds as you can since you gotta pit.

I just did this a few minutes ago again. The idiot drove like stink in his Peugeot 908 FAP to come up on the back of the BMW LMP. 2 laps of fuel left and plenty of tires since its raining and they last much longer. I get right up on the back of the BMW than bam...Anchors deployed. The fool dropped back so far that the BMW put about 25seconds on him in the 1 and a half lap remaining. Even last place car started to challenge me even on the straights lol. Even with my duffus Bob maxed in the red zone he was going slower than the computer drivers in max blue zone. You know how nasty the Peugeot is on the straights and turns. It hits over 230mph so how could a Mclaren GTR that only hits barely over 200 on the same straights be glued to my bumper for over a lap and a half when I was previously destroying it even in the draft? Fix this PD.

Also did any of you notice that ALL pitting cars, our Bobs and computer racers hit the pit wall everytime they pit at Le Sarthe 24 hrs? LOL PD did you play test this game at all?...I never understood why every time I come home and turn on the tv to watch the progress every car running has been smushed hard on the right front. I never understood what, why and how this happens until I saw it yesterday lol... I rode with every car into the pits and saw every last one of them bash the right inner wall on the pit entrance LMAO....
 
One more thing. PD do you really think that a real race car driver that has the inside line on a turn, in other words THE ADVANTAGE, would give it up to the car behind, next to or on the extreme outside? Thats what you guys programmed into the game. This results in multiple face palms, smhs, biting back screams and a general unhealthy mental condition in gamers LOL. Easy finger waggers.

Please end the Mr. Rogers polite programming and give us some realism in the drivers behavior in those situations. I cant imagine Paul Tracy, Michael Schumacher, Louis Hamilton, Ayrton Senna, Damon Hill to name a few having the careers they had/have with this type of driving. They wouldn't have jobs that's for sure.

Please help my Bobs keep there jobs. Its tiring replacing them and takes hours to find suitable names. Thats another pet peeve. Why not just let us WRITE IN OUR OWN NAME OF CHOICE:) It gets you back to racing quicker as this is a driving game not a NAME THAT BOB game:sly:
 
B-Spec is a good way to make some money when I'm busy doing something else; it's even fun to watch sometimes when I'm just relaxing. However, there are some things that drive me crazy.

I would like to have more control of the pit strategy and choices while in the pit. 10% strength is worthless criteria in an endurance race when the drivers end up doing only a single lap late in the race. Also, selecting 49 liters of fuel, for example, is pretty meaningless to me unless I do some offline calculation of fuel consumption, it would make more sense to have choices like "skip", "1/4 tank" or "1/2 tank".

Bob is a total paradox. Sometimes he has precision control that I can't come close to but he still makes the dumbest mistakes. First, I can't imagine any real driver that would get a rear wheel in the grass, hit the gas hard and spin out more than once, but I've seen Bob do it 50 times in a single race. Even when he's in a car that totally dominates the pack, he insists on tucking in behind cars that he could easily pass and he's ridiculously slow around some corners. But what irritates me the most about him is that I have to remind him to hurry up about every 30 seconds because he slacks way off if there's no one within about 2 car lengths of him.

The AI built into Bob pretty much forces you to enter a car that outclasses the competitors, which really makes the race very boring. Rather than sit with Bob for a 4, 9 or 24 hour endurance race I just put him in a Formula 1 car and watch him spin his way to victory.
 
Bob EATS through my tires so fast that I can't finish the German DTM championship or Nascar championship. I did fine in A spec but with the same setup in B spec the tires are gone halfway into the race. Ive even tried switching to Hard tired, still burns em up quickly and i lose the race. What gives? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
B-spec is broken for the many and varied reasons that have already been mentioned. In my opinion, there's one thing that would be extremely easy for PD to change and would allow you to run competitive races without having to push a button every 30 sec: make the "maintain pace" command have a permanent option.

Other than that, it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to make a few changes to the AI that would help a lot:
1. Blue flags
2. Don't let Bob make the exact same stupid mistakes over and over (if he spins in the same place 10 times, can't he just slow down there the next time?)

As for the interface, the live timing monitor is useless. Not only can you not see your fuel and tires, you can't even see the gaps half the time, depending on the relative positions of the cars on track. It should always display the real time gaps between all cars. I mean, Need for Speed can do it, so GT5 should certainly be able to.
 
Good to know I'm not the only one Pissed off at Bob. My frustration comes in Nascar Grand Hill, no matter the settings by fool driver gooses the gas at every corner and loves to spin out.

Can't set the lap I want him to pit until I get to that lap.

Leading a race? Leave Bob alone for 5 minutes while you grab a drink and come back only to find Bob now in 5th. WTF?

Can't save part way through a championship, so you look like a total ass to your 5 year old for not letting him play Escape from Madagascar until you finish 2 more races.

B-Spec testing. I want a consistent driver to test my tunes, rather than me. I can't drive consistently enough to evaluate a tune properly.
 
Daniyo
B-Spec is a good way to make some money when I'm busy doing something else; it's even fun to watch sometimes when I'm just relaxing. However, there are some things that drive me crazy.

I would like to have more control of the pit strategy and choices while in the pit. 10% strength is worthless criteria in an endurance race when the drivers end up doing only a single lap late in the race. Also, selecting 49 liters of fuel, for example, is pretty meaningless to me unless I do some offline calculation of fuel consumption, it would make more sense to have choices like "skip", "1/4 tank" or "1/2 tank".

Bob is a total paradox. Sometimes he has precision control that I can't come close to but he still makes the dumbest mistakes. First, I can't imagine any real driver that would get a rear wheel in the grass, hit the gas hard and spin out more than once, but I've seen Bob do it 50 times in a single race. Even when he's in a car that totally dominates the pack, he insists on tucking in behind cars that he could easily pass and he's ridiculously slow around some corners. But what irritates me the most about him is that I have to remind him to hurry up about every 30 seconds because he slacks way off if there's no one within about 2 car lengths of him.

The AI built into Bob pretty much forces you to enter a car that outclasses the competitors, which really makes the race very boring. Rather than sit with Bob for a 4, 9 or 24 hour endurance race I just put him in a Formula 1 car and watch him spin his way to victory.
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I couldn't agree more. However here is my real gripe:

I was trying to get my best performing Bob (lvl 30) back into blue arrow so I thought I'd try a new bob (level 0 complete newb) (WTF is up with those pathetic arrows?:ouch:)
Imagine my surprise when new Bob (aptly named S. Marks) goes out and busts 1.5sec a lap of old Bobs best time on a circle track- on his 2nd ever lap!
He's in the GTP single seater doing high 39 sec times. So I start writting down details and keeping him right on the center line for consistancy. He knocks out 5 laps from 22 in the 39's and a bunch more in the 40's. Only when getting held up by traffic does he go above 45's. He does hesistate a little when trying to overtake...
He was at 0% of physical and mental strength by lap 4 or 5 but was putting in consistant error free laps through out. His best lap was lap 18.
Total race time: 16.02
Best lap (39.73s a clear lap with no drag assistance)
Experience leaps to lvl 9
Put in old Bob-
Best lap 41.5 with a drag assisted 41.2 at the tail end of the race.
Total time 16.32.
Nearly a full second and a half slower than a lvl 0 guy? I kept him at center bar all the way. Surely PD cant have let a game with a rich heritage like GT go out in such a completely flawed state. I had my doubts over GT5 before this but now this takes the cake.

Don't get me started on the need to grind out races to get to the next level....

Absolutely all of these problems would be negated by allowing the race to be sped up. So my Bob cant drive a greased stick into a storm drain...no probs, hit 30x speed up, collect the XP for the grind and try again.

ARE YOU LISTENING PD???????
 

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