Stock car NÜRBURGRING lap times! GT5 VS Real world

This is something we did on the forza forum before.


I want you to post your best lap times with cars that are completely unmodified.

It'll be nice to compare it to the times of real life cars. You can find a pretty good list here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nürburgring_lap_times#Production_vehicles
http://petrolsmell.com/2010/04/20/nurburgring-fastest-lap-times/
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID=0&gID=3&tID=10073&viewThread=y



The rules are:

One lap around the standard Nurburgring track.

Tyre wear on or off, you decide.

"Real" track edges.

Completely stock car. No changes or upgrades. You are not allowed to change the tires! Of course oilchanges and service on old cars are allowed.

You are not allowed to cut corners.

This is not a competition! Don't lie about your time. This is just for comparing GT times VS real world times.




Post your time like this:

Time - Year make model - Assists - Tire wear: ON/OFF - PSN-name - Real time(if possible)

Lap Times:
06:26.358 - 2009 Pagani Zonda R - ABS(1) - Tire wear ? - CarBastard
06:32.907 - 2009 Pagani Zonda R - ABS[1]/CSS[0] - Wear off - jitcup
06:57.44 - Zonda Zonda R - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:03.2 - Mclaren F1- ABS 1 - Tyres Sports Hard - wear off - Grip real - geo_opel_tigra
07:07.572 - Buggati Veyron 16.4 '09 - ABS1 - Tire Wear Off - CSLACR -
07:13.590 - Mclaren F1 '94 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: ? - Purge_ca
07:15.583 - GT-R '07 Sport Hard - Active Steering Strong - Kawipak
07:18.225 - Nissan GT-R 07' - ABS(1) - Tire wear ? - Pavulon1
07.20.834 - 2009 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator
07:20.86 - Mclaren Mclaren F1 '94 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:21.078 - Nissan GT-R '07 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - RogerC
07:21.92 - Ferrari 458 italia '09 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:22.47 - Mclaren MP4-12c '10 - ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:22.1 - Nissan GT-R '07 - ABS(1) -Wear off -raVer
07:23.084 - Audi R8 5.2 FSI Qauttro - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - RogerC
07:23.44 - Chevy Corvette ZR1 C6 '09 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:24.715 - Dodge viper acr - ABS 1 - Tire wear: ??/S/H - GTP_torque20XX
07.24.761 - 1994 McLaren F1 - (ABS) - Tire wear : OFF - caliwator
07:24.75 - Lexus LFA - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:25.94 - Nissan GTR V-Spec '09 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07.31.641 - 2009 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator - Real World: 07.42
07.31.674 - Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR '08 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.22.1('09)
07:32.252 - Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce '09 - ABS (1) - Tire wear: ON - Phexigon - Real time: 7:42.00
07:34.93 - Mazda RE Amemiya FD3S Rx7 - ABS(1) - Wear off -AW400
07:35.41 - Nissan Nismo Z Z-Tune -ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:36.43 - Nissan Nismo 380RS SL -ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:36.811 - BMW E46 M3 CSL - ABS (1) - Tire wear: Can't recall - RogerC - Real time 7:55
07.37.427 - 2000 Cerbera Speed 12 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator
07:37.634 - 2009 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 - ABS Off/0 - Tyres Sports Hard - wear off - Real time: 07.40
07:38.27 - Ferrari F40 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07.40.454 - 2006 Ford GT - ABS(1) - Tire wear : OFF - caliwator Real time: 07:40.6
07.41.325 - 2008 BMW M5 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - RogerC - Real time: 8:13
07:41.64 - Spyker C8 '01 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:42.389 - Audi R8 4.2 FSI R tronic '07 - ABS[1]/CSS[0] - Wear off - jitcup
07:42.96 - Mitsubishi Mines Evo 6 '00 - ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:43.25 - BMW M3 GTR '03 - ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:43.67 - Toyota ISF '07 - ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07.44.675 - Pagani Zonda C12S '00 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.44
07.44.063 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 '06 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.42.99
07:44.65 - Nissan Gran turismo Z RS - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07.44.794 - Ferrari 599 '06 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.47
07:46.18 - Nissan Nismo R32 S-tune '00 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:46.67 - Chevrolet corvette Z06 C5 '00 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07.46.725 - 2008 BMW M5 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator Real time: 8:13
07:46.88 - DBR Vanquish '04 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:47.348 - RUF CTR Yellowbird - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - RogerC
07:48.434 - NSX Type R '02 Comfort soft - Active Steering Strong - Kawipak
07:49.761 - Mercedes C63 AMG - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - RogerC
07:49:785 - Honda NSX-R '02 - ABS(1) - Wear off - zedextreme8177 - Real time: 7:56.7
07:50.112 - Maserati GranTurismo S - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - RogerC
07:50.538 - Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 - ABS[1]/CSS[0] - Wear off - jitcup
07:51.752 - Audi R8 4.2 R Tronic @420bhp - ABS 0 - Tyres Sports Hard - wear off - Grip real - Real time 8'04
07:53.27 - Dodge Viper GTS '99 - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07:55.17 - Nissan 400R - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
07.55.917 - 2008 Audi RS6 Avant - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator - Real World: 8.09
07.56.124 - 1992 Jaguar XJ220 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator
07.56.336 - Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo
07:56.957 - BMW M3 Coupe '07 - ABS[1]/CSS[0] - Wear off - jitcup
07:57.573 - Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI 10 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - RogerC - Real time: 7:55 (Tuned impreza)
07.57.597 - 2004 BMW M3 - (ABS) - Tire wear: OFF - feduardol_mx - Real time: 8:22
07.58.047 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 '04 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.56
07.58.131 - BMW M3 Coupe '07 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:8.05
08:00.38 - Ford Mustang CobraR FPV - ABS(1) - Wear off - AW400
08.01.907 - 2007 BMW M3 Coupé - (ABS) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator - Real time: 8.05
08.02.870 - Dodge Viper GTS '02 - ABS(1) - Wear Off - tissimo
08:04.767 - Lexus LFA - ABS 1 - Tire wear: ON - ValveEasy- Real time- 7,38,00
08.06.233 - 2002 Mercedes-Benz E 55 AMG - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator - Real time:8:06.0
08.23.909 - 1998 BMW Z3 M Coupé - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator Real time: 08.22
08.25.187 - 2002 Caterham Seven Fireblade - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator
08.27.343 - 1987 RUF CTR “Yellow Bird” - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator - Real time: 8:05
08.27.809 - 2001 Audi RS 4 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator
08.32.595 - 2003 Honda Accord Coupe EX - (ABS) - Tire wear: OFF - feduardol_mx
08:36.466 - 1999 Honda S200- ABS(1) - TT - BobbyBRAKEaNEK
08.39.332 - 2002 Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept - (ABS) - Tire wear: OFF - feduardol_mx
08.42.622 - 2003 Nissan Fairlady Z Roadster (Z33) - ABS - Tire wear: OFF - feduardol_mx
08.43.581 - 1991 Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II - ABS(1) - Tire wearff - cooljeffro
08.49.191 - 1991 Mercedes 190 E 2.5 16 Evolution II - ABS(1) - Tire wear : OFF - caliwator
08:49:847 - 2000 Opel Speedster Turbo - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - tomiasp - Real time: 08:34
08:53.667 - Alfa Romeo 156 2.5 V6 24V '98 - ABS[1]/CSS[0] - Wear off - jitcup
08.55.718 - 2007 Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium - ABS - Tire wear: OFF - feduardol_mx
09.00.412 - 2005 VW Golf V GTI - (ABS) - Tire wear: OFF - feduardol_mx
09.01.186 - 2006 Ford Focus ST - (ABS) - Tire wear: OFF - feduardol_mx
10.01.418 - 2002 Volkswagen Lupo 1.4 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator

caliwator

Lap Times:

08.01.907 - 2007 BMW M3 Coupé - (ABS) - caliwator - Real time: 8.05

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Good job on following your own directions. What about the other aids? And tire wear? Track edge "Real" or "Low"?

mxrider14

Good job on following your own directions. What about the other aids? And tire wear? Track edge "Real" or "Low"?

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ABS was the only driving aid i used. Of course i drive with Real track edge!
I'll add tire wear

nice idea will post a few up later on.

I did a lap with the McLaren F1. Its hard to keep it on the track without any assists!
But after a couple of laps i did a good time. 7.24.761
Try to beat that without any assists

Love the Ring so been doing this a while and keeping track in excel spreadsheet. All these are 'stock' cars fitted with sports hard tires run on ring in practice time trial, real edge grip.
Have more times recorded, modified cars, race cars with race hards or low power <350hp on comfort softs.

06:57.44 Zonda Zonda R -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:20.86 Mclaren Mclaren F1 '94 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:21.92 Ferrari 458 italia '09 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:22.47 Mclaren MP4-12c '10 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:23.44 Chevy Corvette ZR1 C6 '09 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:24.75 Lexus LFA -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:25.94 Nissan GTR V-Spec '09 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:29.75 Nissan GTR V-Spec '09 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:34.93 Mazda RE Amemiya FD3S Rx7 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:35.41 Nissan Nismo Z Z-Tune -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:36.43 Nissan Nismo 380RS SL -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:38.27 Ferrari F40 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:41.64 Spyker C8 '01 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:42.96 Mitsubishi Mines Evo 6 '00 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:43.25 BMW M3 GTR '03 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:43.67 Toyota ISF '07 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:44.65 Nissan Gran turismo Z RS -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:46.18 Nissan Nismo R32 S-tune '00 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:46.67 Chevy corvette Z06 C5 '00 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:46.88 DBR Vanquish '04 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:53.27 Viper Viper GTS '99 -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
07:55.17 Nissan 400R -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400
08:00.38 Ford Mustang CobraR FPV -ABS(1) -Wear off -AW400

8.02.870 - Dodge Viper GTS '02 - ABS(1) - Wear Off - tissimo
7.44.675 - Pagani Zonda C12S '00 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.44 (I think, Labed as S)

I'll get Milliseconds when I load it back up.

Nice Times guys. I have some more times myself. I will post them all on the list when I get home to my computer on Sunday

08.49.191 - 1991 Mercedes 190 E 2.5 16 Evolution II - ABS(1) - Tire wear : OFF - caliwator
08.27.809 - 2001 Audi RS 4 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator

I did a few more.

7.58.047 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 '04 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.56
7.44.063 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 '06 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.42.99
7.31.674 - Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR '08 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:7.22.1('09) - I think the Real ACR has better then a 'sport hard' equivalant.
7.56.336 - Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo
7.58.131 - BMW M3 Coupe '07 - ABS(1) - Wear off - tissimo - Real Time:8.05



Also updated the milliseconds on the previous post.

Hi gang!
I'm new here and I'm just wodering why don't you test the OEM cars with racing soft tires?
I do know that you want to try the car in boned stock configuration but in real life I would test my OEM car with racing slick...
I did some laping session and for me the first things to do is to get installed some racing tires.

Wouldn´t It be nice to see some more production cars in this list. Like cars you as a person could actually buy. From the list, I couln´t afford anything. Don´t get me wrong, I like the idea. But sooner or later, when people start putting more times up, this list could reach 1000+ cars... You would actually have a pretty good list about the cars performance.

You should start making this into Excel.

Will contribute to this list, from next week on. Get´s me to learn the Ring more. 👍

Great times! Are you driving with controller or wheel?
I got my Fanatec carrera now and i'm driving with that. I use the clutch and shifter if the real car has it.

But im still much faster with the controller.. i hope i will learn to be faster with the wheel soon.

GT5drive

Hi gang!
I'm new here and I'm just wodering why don't you test the OEM cars with racing soft tires?
I do know that you want to try the car in boned stock configuration but in real life I would test my OEM car with racing slick...
I did some laping session and for me the first things to do is to get installed some racing tires.

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No i would like to see how fast the car is from the factory. I'm sure lots of people use racing tires on the ring, but if we drove all cars with racing tires the times wouldn't match the real car.


I'm actually impressed with how good the times ingame match the real times!

Just out of curiosity how can you be comparing the gt5 times to real world times if you allow tyre wear off? I'm pretty sure the real world drivers do not have this option.

I think its fair to say tyre wear off should not even be an option.

7:49:785 - Honda NSX-R '02 - ABS(1) - Wear off - zedextreme8177 - Real time: 7:56.7

Great idea. I've been buying cars to complete my garage, but now I have a reason to go drive them too!

STiG39

Wouldn´t It be nice to see some more production cars in this list. Like cars you as a person could actually buy. From the list, I couln´t afford anything. Don´t get me wrong, I like the idea. But sooner or later, when people start putting more times up, this list could reach 1000+ cars... You would actually have a pretty good list about the cars performance.

You should start making this into Excel.

Will contribute to this list, from next week on. Get´s me to learn the Ring more. 👍

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I agree I might run a Civic type R, instead of a raceing machine.

07.40.454 - 2006 Ford GT - ABS(1) - Tire wear : OFF - caliwator Real time: 07:40.6

I can do a lot better. still getting used to the wheel.. I always try to do certified laps that dont get red so if i just go a little bit offroad i have to restart

caliwator

Great times! Are you driving with controller or wheel?
I got my Fanatec carrera now and i'm driving with that. I use the clutch and shifter if the real car has it.

But im still much faster with the controller.. i hope i will learn to be faster with the wheel soon.




No i would like to see how fast the car is from the factory. I'm sure lots of people use racing tires on the ring, but if we drove all cars with racing tires the times wouldn't match the real car.


I'm actually impressed with how good the times ingame match the real times!

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I'm using the Carrera as well. I use the clutch + h Shifter on cars that dont have paddles (XKR had paddles). Make sure you set you wheel settings in GT5 to Sim. I played about a week with it on Amateur before switching it, was 100% better after switching and instantly was 2-3s Faster on TGTT. Yea, I always do clean laps (non red times), and usually only 2 laps. One to warm up / learn the car then a hot lap. The C6Z06 I did 3 though.

xSNAKEx

Just out of curiosity how can you be comparing the gt5 times to real world times if you allow tyre wear off? I'm pretty sure the real world drivers do not have this option.

I think its fair to say tyre wear off should not even be an option.

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How do you turn on Tire wear in practice?

GT5drive

Hi gang!
I'm new here and I'm just wodering why don't you test the OEM cars with racing soft tires?
I do know that you want to try the car in boned stock configuration but in real life I would test my OEM car with racing slick...
I did some laping session and for me the first things to do is to get installed some racing tires.

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realism.
Main reason for me is grip, also why you don't see many 'normal' cars on my list. I like to have to use throttle control, with racing tires or even sports tires when <350hp you can just mash the throttle / brake.

Racing softs are dumb far too much grip even in the 1000hp prototypes 5:43 in the Toyota GT-One and it looks so terribly unrealistic in replay.

Those are some great times with controller. I'm G25 and H-shift where appropriate.

tissimo

I'm using the Carrera as well. I use the clutch + h Shifter on cars that dont have paddles (XKR had paddles). Make sure you set you wheel settings in GT5 to Sim. I played about a week with it on Amateur before switching it, was 100% better after switching and instantly was 2-3s Faster on TGTT. Yea, I always do clean laps (non red times), and usually only 2 laps. One to warm up / learn the car then a hot lap. The C6Z06 I did 3 though.



How do you turn on Tire wear in practice?

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Ok! You've got good lap times then.
What settings do you have on the wheel? I think the wheel feels a bit slow sometimes. It has to much resistance when turning fast.

I did this comparison:




Very close RL Vs GT5.

dark_ruffo

I did this comparison:




Very close RL Vs GT5.

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Cool video!

07.37.427 - 2000 Cerbera Speed 12 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator

I forgot to change the oil but the car has so much power that i dont think it matter that much

10.01.418 - 2002 Volkswagen Lupo 1.4 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator

07.46.725 - 2008 BMW M5 - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator

08.27.343 - 1987 RUF CTR &#8220;Yellow Bird&#8221; - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator
07.55.917 - 2008 Audi RS6 Avant - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator - Real World: 8.09
07.31.641 - 2009 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce - ABS(1) - Tire wear: OFF - caliwator - Real World: 07.42

caliwator please try and not double post. Use the edit button instead.

Ok! I will do that from now on 💡