Ghost pass?

Bushby_23 · Jan 25, 2012

I was at an online race at Spa ith penalties on. I was in first in my some what slidey R8 '09 Race Car, followed by two CLK Touring cars. Coming into Eau Rouge, I hit the brakes a little earlier thanI normally would for any other car, as my untuned R8 just doesnt like to go round that bit straight at all. The following CLK proceeded to follow at its normal pace, disregarding my braking as if I wasnt even there. The penalty system, deeming that a crash was inevetable, ghosted his car. He proceeded to drive his normal line, at full pace, pass me in the process, and continue up the road half a second ahead of me.

What the hell is this? I mean, I know the penalty system wasn't perfect, but this is somewhat rediculous. Has this happened to anyone before?

(P.S. Sorry if there is a thread on this, my search of "ghost pass" came up with a hell of a lot of racing series' and not much else)

DeadEnd · Jan 25, 2012

Seems like the penalty system malfunctioned there. There's not much you can do about that.

Morgoth_666 · Jan 25, 2012

I have seen this happen very rarely but not sure what causes it. Are you sure he didn't just cut the corner full throttle to turn ghost and passed you then? Penalties slow you down, but they do so rather, umm, slowly.

Edit: To clarify, I have occasionally seen cars turn ghost while driving normally and not slowing down. I assume it's a lag issue of some sort, perhaps coupled with penaltes. I've most often encountered it during the hectic starts at the Nordschleife.

Bushby_23 · Jan 25, 2012

Morgoth_666
I have seen this happen very rarely but not sure what causes it. Are you sure he didn't just cut the corner full throttle to turn ghost and passed you then? Penalties slow you down, but they do so rather, umm, slowly.

Edit: To clarify, I have occasionally seen cars turn ghost while driving normally and not slowing down. I assume it's a lag issue of some sort, perhaps coupled with penaltes. I've most often encountered it during the hectic starts at the Nordschleife.

He continued to accelerate away, so I'd say that he didnt cut any corner. As I said, I think it may have something to do with how the penalty system ghosts cars that it thinks will rear end the car in front. In this case, he was still well within his capable cornering speed, so it actually benefitted him rather than prevent any accidents (which wouldve proably happened without the penalty system).

Oh and the the penalty slowdown effect is just a throtle off situation, so all it is is the engine braking and wind resistance slowing the car down. Hiny here being, if you get penalised, shift into as high a gear as possible for the smallest penalty effect.

chuyler1 · Jan 25, 2012

This happens all the time. Drivers only get collision penalties when a collision happens, but if a driver misses their brake zone they will ghost rather than punt you off the track. Occasionally it allows drivers to ghost right through someone who is driving too slowly on a high speed turn.

The penalty system is a love-hate relationship. Sometimes you need it to prevent late brakers from punting decent drivers off the track. Sometimes you need it to prevent corner cutters from shaving seconds off their lap times. But with them on, drivers a lap down are ghosts and drivers occasionally can ghost through other drivers by taking aggressive lines that would normally punt someone off the track.

Morgoth_666 · Jan 25, 2012

chuyler1
This happens all the time. Drivers only get collision penalties when a collision happens, but if a driver misses their brake zone they will ghost rather than punt you off the track. Occasionally it allows drivers to ghost right through someone who is driving too slowly on a high speed turn.

The penalty system is a love-hate relationship. Sometimes you need it to prevent late brakers from punting decent drivers off the track. Sometimes you need it to prevent corner cutters from shaving seconds off their lap times. But with them on, drivers a lap down are ghosts and drivers occasionally can ghost through other drivers by taking aggressive lines that would normally punt someone off the track.

And with them on Weak sometimes cutting slow chicanes is still faster, but max penalties create all sorts of silly problems.

chuyler1 · Jan 25, 2012

Yeah, I stopped using max penalties ages ago. If you get rammed from behind lightly and end up bumping the car in front of you, it gives you a 4 second penalty while the car that caused the pileup gets a free pass. No thanks. That still happens occasionally with weak penalties but not as often. In fact, I can't remember the last time I got a collision penality with weak penalties that wasn't caused by a lag spike.

gt5fanatec · Jan 25, 2012

I tell you something else about the penalty system. This has really irked me. It doesn't make and sense that lets say at the first corner at Spa or the first corner at Fuji, when you go WIDE you get a SHORTCUT penalty. This is really irritating because your going WIDE that should not be a SHORTCUT penalty! Going wide shouldn't be a penalty at all. Anyone else find this irritating?

NFSCARBON1 · Jan 25, 2012

gt5fanatec
I tell you something else about the penalty system. This has really irked me. It doesn't make and sense that lets say at the first corner at Spa or the first corner at Fuji, when you go WIDE you get a SHORTCUT penalty. This is really irritating because your going WIDE that should not be a SHORTCUT penalty! Going wide shouldn't be a penalty at all. Anyone else find this irritating?

While irritating it is correct. By running wide your effectively making the corner less tight. While it's not shorter it can be faster.

Morgoth_666 · Jan 25, 2012

NFSCARBON1
While irritating it is correct. By running wide your effectively making the corner less tight. While it's not shorter it can be faster.

This. In the real thing the officials can see whether you are gaining an advantage or just recovering from a fail and give penalties accordingly. Apparently no one has yet come up with a way for a game to do this properly, at least without causing further problems that make them scrap the idea. Some let you avoid the penalty if you penalize yourself by slowing WAY down before rejoining the road, but still not as it should be. So if you go off in a bad area you'll be penalized either way.

chuyler1 · Jan 25, 2012

That absolutely should be a penalty. Drivers are required to stay between the lines on a real race and if you can carve out a turn that uses the run-off space to get a faster exit than your opponent then its considered cheating.

What this game needs is suspension damage for running over rough parts of the track and debris that causes you to spin out. If you went that wide at Fuji IRL you'd pick up all the gumballs on your tires and slide into the grass like they were marbles. Likewise at Monza, if you drove over the super high rumble strips in the chicane you'd bust a shock or break a spring.

McClarenDesign · Jan 25, 2012

Bushby_23
I was at an online race at Spa ith penalties on. I was in first in my some what slidey R8 '09 Race Car, followed by two CLK Touring cars. Coming into Eau Rouge, I hit the brakes a little earlier thanI normally would for any other car, as my untuned R8 just doesnt like to go round that bit straight at all. The following CLK proceeded to follow at its normal pace, disregarding my braking as if I wasnt even there. The penalty system, deeming that a crash was inevetable, ghosted his car. He proceeded to drive his normal line, at full pace, pass me in the process, and continue up the road half a second ahead of me.

What the hell is this? I mean, I know the penalty system wasn't perfect, but this is somewhat rediculous. Has this happened to anyone before?

(P.S. Sorry if there is a thread on this, my search of "ghost pass" came up with a hell of a lot of racing series' and not much else)

Yet another reason why I race with pentalties off.

weirdkerr · Jan 25, 2012

the penalties i hate getting on practice or in the seasonal time trials is where the next lap is invalidated when i accidenly go off on the last sector where it will not gain any advantage for the following lap.....

Nismo34 · Jan 25, 2012

Bushby_23
I was at an online race at Spa ith penalties on. I was in first in my some what slidey R8 '09 Race Car, followed by two CLK Touring cars. Coming into Eau Rouge, I hit the brakes a little earlier thanI normally would for any other car, as my untuned R8 just doesnt like to go round that bit straight at all. The following CLK proceeded to follow at its normal pace, disregarding my braking as if I wasnt even there. The penalty system, deeming that a crash was inevetable, ghosted his car. He proceeded to drive his normal line, at full pace, pass me in the process, and continue up the road half a second ahead of me.

What the hell is this? I mean, I know the penalty system wasn't perfect, but this is somewhat rediculous. Has this happened to anyone before?

(P.S. Sorry if there is a thread on this, my search of "ghost pass" came up with a hell of a lot of racing series' and not much else)

I have had this happen. Annoys me everytime. Penalty system is so flawwed. Especially on Spa. You so much as look at the other side of the white line and you have a 5 second penalty. But this ghosting overtake is just ridiculous.

watermelon punch · Jan 26, 2012

Definitely a Love/Hate relationship... That's an excellent way to put it about the penalty system.
I go back & forth about it like a sea-saw because there's just several benefits, but then several problems.

Agree definitely that penalties on strong is just BAD. Figured that out after one day of pub lobby racing last year a week after getting gt5. haha.
Dirty drivers figure out peculiar & surprising methods to game the penalty strong setting, and it's UGLY, rude, unfair, and frustrating. :crazy:

People also game the penalty-weak setting, though it's not as easy or common. Though sometimes it can cause stupid unfair things to happen in a race to unwitting people who just happened to be near someone on the track who made a mistake.

I have long wished for more customizable penalty system settings.

And why you can't choose to NOT have that stupid ghosting nonsense with the penalty on just baffles me.

Bottom line is, it's important to choose the right settings for the particular situation.
For example, some tracks the penalty system is hardly helpful, and you may want to just go without it. But then on some tracks, like Daytona Road Course & Laguna Seca... and perhaps Trial Mountain & Deep Forest... with penalties off & a couple of yahoo racers on the track hopped up on goofballs, you're likely in for a lot of complaints when people on Laguna float up the sand & improperly re-enter in a higher position... or when people mow the grass for a straighter improper line on Trial Mountain Daytona Road Course & Deep Forest.
Oh, and that chicane sort of area on Nurburgring where it lets you mow the grass... I've been known to mow the grass there occasionally by accident - and that's a BIG NO NO that really ticks people off, justifiably so.

Ghost pass?

Bushby_23

DeadEnd

Morgoth_666

Bushby_23

chuyler1

Morgoth_666

chuyler1

gt5fanatec

NFSCARBON1

Morgoth_666

chuyler1

McClarenDesign

Insightful, but bollocks.

weirdkerr

Nismo34

watermelon punch

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