NASCAR @ Monza, how low can you go?

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Dalone

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Well I thought that cracking the $4mil mark at Monza would satisfy me, but no, I felt I could still improve and so lowered the PP and hp a little further and had another round or two, or eleven.

Just won at 541PP, 432hp, all the rest of the tune the same as above.

Win $4,101,970 exp 499,150. Most I have ever won in a single race I believe.

Have to say it's disappointing that there are so few willing to have a go at this at an extreme low PP, seems most of the faster drivers are concentrating on the Time Trial, even Cargo appears to have given up on it.

Well, I guess that means I am the best in the world at it, seeing as there are is no one else game enough to, HAVE A GO and beat me. Although I expect there would be a few HAVING A GO, but unable to match my PP here.

Perhaps I will start a thread and issue a challenge then no one can say they were unaware of the extreme low PP winning here.

(The above, my last post from the NASCAR 650 thread)

Whatta ya say, think you can improve on my PP?
 
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I can't go any lower than 570pp without losing by 5 seconds... can you post the gear ratios you're using?
 
mr incog
I can't go any lower than 570pp without losing by 5 seconds... can you post the gear ratios you're using?
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Sure, they are from one of Stotty's tunes.

1st....3.051

2nd....2.358

3rd....1.904

4th....1.571

Final...2.842

Max Speed (top) should be 275km/h. (240 bottom)

Good luck.

Don't forget to cut the corners, except for the sandy ones. You should overtake the 1st car at the 1st chicane and be 8th or 7th at the end if the 1st lap.
 
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Dalone
Don't forget to cut the corners, except for the sandy ones. You should overtake the 1st car at the 1st chicane and be 8th or 7th at the end if the 1st lap.
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If you have to cheat to win, what's the point :indiff:
 
This sounded like an interesting challenge until I read you were track cutting.
 
Dalone, how much speed are you carrying when you reenter the track past the wall? The best I can get is 140mph.
 
Firstly the dissenters.

There is no cheating here, no rules are being broken. I fully accept that some players prefer to race only in time trials where very strict rules must be observed, and I do so myself as all here would know, however as Adrenaline recently commented, when SRF is forced on anything goes, to achieve the lowest PP win.

After all, it's a level playing field as everyone has the same options and the lower one goes the harder it becomes to win.
So I really can't understand why anyone would have a problem with it, unless of course they are just unable to win with a very low PP and hp.
My answer to that is what someone once told me here, just keep on trying until you know the car and the track like the back of your hand, and can foresee and adjust to every situation.

Regarding llls1999 question, sorry mate, I haven't fired up my PS3 yet and am not sure exactly where you are referring to. However I'll start it up and see if I can get that info for you. Cheers.
 
hhmmm..

how about we all get together in a room, run monza, drive like pros and see who got the best setup and skills..

just for fun. :gtpflag:

schedule?
 
I guess we can start at around 580? down click by 10.. down to 540. .. , I hope I can give a good race as I've never beaten 570pp without trying to pin AI opponents on the barriers.

I hope we can have participants.
Its just for fun and a good challenge.
 
btw, almost forgot, i am from the other side of the globe and my time is UTC + 8:00.

Now i dont know how we can get to a room at the same time..
 
Ills1999
Dalone, how much speed are you carrying when you reenter the track past the wall? The best I can get is 140mph.
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Just ran the replay of the race and think you are referring to the 2nd chicane after the start, the first green area which is cut across.

There are only two places where one leaves the track and therefore re-enters it and there is a wall on the left (a wire fence on the right) just prior to the green cut off of that one.

OK, we use km/h here in OZ but I can convert that. Your 140mph is 225.3 km/h.

I looked at all 7 laps, entering and leaving that green area and my times range between 222km/h (137mph) and 234km/h (145mph).

1st lap..enter green 144mph, leave 145mph.
2nd lap.. ..... ..... 137mph, .... 141mph.
3rd lap.. .. .. 137mph, .... 137mph.
4th lap.. .. .. 140mph, ..... 137mph.
5th lap.. .. .. 139.8mph, ... 139.8mph.
6th lap.. .. .. 139.8mph, ... 139mph.
7th lap.. .. .. 139.8mph, ... 140.4mph.

So as you can see my times are very similar to your own at that point. It is interesting that my 'enter/exit green' time on the 1st lap is the highest.
 
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MarcusQ
btw, almost forgot, i am from the other side of the globe and my time is UTC + 8:00.

Now i don't know how we can get to a room at the same time..
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Just had a look at time zones and here in the Northern Territory (Australia) we are 1 1/2 hours behind you, so looks like we could work something out.

I'm not even sure how you get to rooms but I'll work it out or my kids can likely tell me when they get home from school.

How about you go ahead and set it up and suggest a time which is suitable to you and we take it from there?

It will be a bit different as there won't be cars to pass every lap as in the seasonal, however should be fun.
 
I started a room online called NASCAR@Monza 570PP.

Ran it at 541PP (alone) and am getting similar lap times.

Strange that drivers aren't flocking to it, ha ha. Anyway I'll leave it on one TV so if anyone shows up I'll see it.
 
I'm running 560PP without cutting (though on replay, half of my car is over the bump in the chicane so it may be cutting after all!!!! I guess it depends on who you ask!!!) I should try to do it with lower PP, but I feel that it may end up blunting the driving skills I have if I get used to cutting the corners. hmmmmm, the choices!!!!
 
Nexviator79
I'm running 560PP without cutting (though on replay, half of my car is over the bump in the chicane so it may be cutting after all!!!! I guess it depends on who you ask!!!) I should try to do it with lower PP, but I feel that it may end up blunting the driving skills I have if I get used to cutting the corners. hmmmmm, the choices!!!!
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Decisions decisions. I find one soon becomes accustomed to staying within the barriers when doing Time Trials. Only takes a few laps.

Anyway I'm outta here, have to get kids up for school tomorrow.
 
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crap.. i just got home.. and i missed two things today. my son's first game in a basketball league and monza with Dalone.. :(
 
I checked all rooms for Monza, cant find you m8. guess we can schedule this later.. sorry again Bro..
 
Dalone
Just ran the replay of the race and think you are referring to the 2nd chicane after the start, the first green area which is cut across.

There are only two places where one leaves the track and therefore re-enters it and there is a wall on the left (a wire fence on the right) just prior to the green cut off of that one.

OK, we use km/h here in OZ but I can convert that. Your 140mph is 225.3 km/h.

I looked at all 7 laps, entering and leaving that green area and my times range between 222km/h (137mph) and 234km/h (145mph).

1st lap..enter green 144mph, leave 145mph.
2nd lap.. ..... ..... 137mph, .... 141mph.
3rd lap.. .. .. 137mph, .... 137mph.
4th lap.. .. .. 140mph, ..... 137mph.
5th lap.. .. .. 139.8mph, ... 139.8mph.
6th lap.. .. .. 139.8mph, ... 139mph.
7th lap.. .. .. 139.8mph, ... 140.4mph.

So as you can see my times are very similar to your own at that point. It is interesting that my 'enter/exit green' time on the 1st lap is the highest.
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That's what I figured, the trick is to consistently clear that chicane at about 140 mph thanks for sharing the info. 👍
 
Thanks for the transmission stats. I realized that mine were horribly set up.
I finally won it below the 570 mark, and am still going lower.
Another thing I realized based on one of your previous posts is that I'm employing too much break into the second chicane as I cut across the grass.

I'll update you on my final pp when I'm no longer able to win a race :D
 
Nice idea, something different. I don't get the whole 'you're cheating' bit, you've simply set different parameters to apply for a common outcome.

Anyways, I'm gonna have a go, I got a relatively easy win at 585PP if you factor in misjudging my entry through the first chicane while leading easily on lap 6 and smacking into the barrier on the inside of the entry. :lol: Still came back for the win, I'll set my ratios to what you've posted for the sake of commonality and see how far down I can take it.
 
I currently own 2 rooms online (public) waiting for anyone to try Monza in a NASCAR at reduced PP.

One is called NASCAR@Monza 570PP-

Drop in if you want to have a try at different PP's. I'll try any PP above 540.
SRF on and cutting corners allowed for this exercise.
 
mr incog
Thanks for the transmission stats. I realized that mine were horribly set up.
I finally won it below the 570 mark, and am still going lower.
Another thing I realized based on one of your previous posts is that I'm employing too much break into the second chicane as I cut across the grass.

I'll update you on my final pp when I'm no longer able to win a race :D
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Way to go! The more you do it the lower you'll find you can go.
 
Where I'm at so far:

Running 557pp put me into the lead on lap 5 coming out of the sand trap.

Working on a tune and technique which will allow me to carry the most speed through the trap without fishtailing on exit. Full throttle entering and through with as quick a full lift and full throttle as close to the transition as possible seems to be very stable and effective. I elect to rake the sand because it's a place to pass and to be different.

Right now I'm at min aero. Max ride height. Max ballast in rear. Min spring rate in rear. 0 toe F/R with the rest of the susp left stock.

Transmission is set to max at 170.
 
Ills1999
Where I'm at so far:

Running 557pp put me into the lead on lap 5 coming out of the sand trap.

Working on a tune and technique which will allow me to carry the most speed through the trap without fishtailing on exit. Full throttle entering and through with as quick a full lift and full throttle as close to the transition as possible seems to be very stable and effective. I elect to rake the sand because it's a place to pass and to be different.

Right now I'm at min aero. Max ride height. Max ballast in rear. Min spring rate in rear. 0 toe F/R with the rest of the susp left stock.

Transmission is set to max at 170.
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I too took off rear aero (kept front on to help turn in) and usually travelled well, however occasional fishtailing led me to reapply some as a couple of times I ruined a great time because of it. Felt I was able to carry through faster, and safer, with some.

Of course what I think works best for me may not work best for everyone, eg, I prefer to have as little ballast as possible (and therefore a lower hp) in most situations.

And 557PP is getting right down there so you are obviously doing things pretty well, congratulations.
 
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