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Ongoing event, on all the major networks. Not much info yet other than several potential casualties. Shooter not in custody or at least not reported to be as of yet.
Shooting in Washington Naval Yard
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Just read about this. The gunman barricaded himself in a room from what I've read.
Leads to me to wonder why these shootings are generally in the fall or winter. Tragic.
Leads to me to wonder why these shootings are generally in the fall or winter. Tragic.
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Saw this on TV just now. Reporting 4 dead and 2 wounded.
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So he is/was possibly armed with a civilian market semi-automatic rifle (which is NOT an assault rifle). Why is that so scary? Because the news told you it was?
Is it wrong that I care more about the stupidity from the anti-gun lobby that will likely follow this event, than the event itself?
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Well it is known that a weapon of that kind can do severe damage to anyone within a certain range and without body protection. I'm scared of that and the fact of anyone using a firearm to inflict pain just as anyone else. What kind of rounds do those shoot? Like a 30?
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.223 is what AR-15 are typically chambered in. Any firearm can do severe damage to anyone within a certain range, whether that's a pistol firing 9mm from ten metres or an anti-material rifle firing 12.7mm from 1000 metres.
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.223 actually but with a muzzle velocity over 3000 ft/min. Your same description would apply to just about any firearm ever made.
One gunman is dead, potentially two other shooters on the loose, possibly one black and one white male.
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There's a lot of other commonly available rounds (particularly something like a .308) that would do far more damage to someone than a .223. The military uses .223 because it's a sufficiently lethal round that is light enough to carry a lot of rounds and has low recoil, because modern militaries tend to rely on volume of fire and suppression when close air support is readily available, as has been the case since Vietnam. The military doesn't use .223 and AR-15 variants because they're magical terrifying super deadly rounds and rifles.
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To be honest, I didn't know the weapon was "only" semi-automatic. Nevertheless, I find such weapons scary because of their power.
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.223 is not particularly scary, nor is the assault type looking rifle tbh. I have plenty of rifles that are actually scary, good thing they haven't made the anti gun crowds scary list 
Anyway...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33891
I've not seen enough info on this story to really comment on it yet.
Anyway...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33891
I've not seen enough info on this story to really comment on it yet.
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Dead shooter has been identified as a 34 year-old military contractor from Texas by the name of Erin Alexis.
Edit: This was corrected later to Aaron Alexis, and he apparently works for a military contractor.
Edit: This was corrected later to Aaron Alexis, and he apparently works for a military contractor.
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Joel
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Just to add a visual because I know that for someone who doesn't know guns it's hard to grasp what ".223" and ".308" really mean.
The first round on the right is .22LR, this is a general sporting and target shooting round, and some use it for hunting squirrels and rabbits etc. The second is 5.56 NATO, which is the military version of a .223 and is the round that NATO militaries use in their standard issue rifles (M16, C7, FAMAS, L85, G36, etc etc.), as well as the Bushmaster/AR-15 boogeyman. The third round in is 7.62x39 and is the round used by the AK-47. Fourth round in is a .308 Winchester, which is the same size as a 7.62x51mm NATO round, used in rifles in NATO armies (M14, G3, FN FAL), as well as your standard sniper rifles from Call of Duty (M24, M21). The furthest round to the left is a .50BMG, originally used in and developed for the M2 Browning machine gun, and later re purposed into a lot of anti material rifles, such as the now CoD famous "Barret .50 cal".
Note that a .50BMG is legal to most US civilians (except for California I think) and has an effective range of well over a kilometer, with documented sniper kills over 2km. A .308 Winchester is an incredibly common rifle found in military rifles, and a lot of hunting and sporting rifles. The .223 just seems like a really odd boogeyman compared to some cartridges that are significantly more powerful. To make a car analogy, a .223 is like an I4, while a .308 is like a V8, and a .50BMG is like a V12 or turbo W16. It just seems odd to people who know about guns that there's so much hysteria and fear about what is essentially the Honda Civic of the gun world.
The first round on the right is .22LR, this is a general sporting and target shooting round, and some use it for hunting squirrels and rabbits etc. The second is 5.56 NATO, which is the military version of a .223 and is the round that NATO militaries use in their standard issue rifles (M16, C7, FAMAS, L85, G36, etc etc.), as well as the Bushmaster/AR-15 boogeyman. The third round in is 7.62x39 and is the round used by the AK-47. Fourth round in is a .308 Winchester, which is the same size as a 7.62x51mm NATO round, used in rifles in NATO armies (M14, G3, FN FAL), as well as your standard sniper rifles from Call of Duty (M24, M21). The furthest round to the left is a .50BMG, originally used in and developed for the M2 Browning machine gun, and later re purposed into a lot of anti material rifles, such as the now CoD famous "Barret .50 cal".
Note that a .50BMG is legal to most US civilians (except for California I think) and has an effective range of well over a kilometer, with documented sniper kills over 2km. A .308 Winchester is an incredibly common rifle found in military rifles, and a lot of hunting and sporting rifles. The .223 just seems like a really odd boogeyman compared to some cartridges that are significantly more powerful. To make a car analogy, a .223 is like an I4, while a .308 is like a V8, and a .50BMG is like a V12 or turbo W16. It just seems odd to people who know about guns that there's so much hysteria and fear about what is essentially the Honda Civic of the gun world.
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Just to add a visual because I know that for someone who doesn't know guns it's hard to grasp what ".223" and ".308" really mean.
The first round on the right is .22LR, this is a general sporting and target shooting round, and some use it for hunting squirrels and rabbits etc. The second is 5.56 NATO, which is the military version of a .223 and is the round that NATO militaries use in their standard issue rifles (M16, C7, FAMAS, L85, G36, etc etc.), as well as the Bushmaster/AR-15 boogeyman. The third round in is 7.62x39 and is the round used by the AK-47. Fourth round in is a .308 Winchester, which is the same size as a 7.62x51mm NATO round, used in rifles in NATO armies (M14, G3, FN FAL), as well as your standard sniper rifles from Call of Duty (M24, M21). The furthest round to the left is a .50BMG, originally used in and developed for the M2 Browning machine gun, and later re purposed into a lot of anti material rifles, such as the now CoD famous "Barret .50 cal".
Note that a .50BMG is legal to most US civilians (except for California I think) and has an effective range of well over a kilometer, with documented sniper kills over 2km. A .308 Winchester is an incredibly common rifle found in military rifles, and a lot of hunting and sporting rifles. The .223 just seems like a really odd boogeyman compared to some cartridges that are significantly more powerful. To make a car analogy, a .223 is like an I4, while a .308 is like a V8, and a .50BMG is like a V12 or turbo W16. It just seems odd to people who know about guns that there's so much hysteria and fear about what is essentially the Honda Civic of the gun world.
At 3000 ft/sec, you're probably just as dead with a .223 as any other bullet.
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2 shooters dead, 1 still on the loose. Update from a friend who lives there.
Scary, my sister was just on a school field trip there yesterday.
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Apparently he entered with a shotgun and then used automatic weapons from deceased military personnel.
Scary, my sister was just on a school field trip there yesterday.
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Apparently he entered with a shotgun and then used automatic weapons from deceased military personnel.
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On the guns part of this thread, let's not get sidetracked on the details about the weapon he used. The point MD was making is that the report by MSNBC is misleading by making the gun the shooter used sound particularly lethal when it is no more lethal than most other semi-automatic rifles.
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Your friend has news that the international media are unaware of because at this point only one shooter, Aaron Alexis, is identified and reported deceased. No other suspect is yet publicly identified or detained and it's possible he was misidentified like the third suspect was, who was later cleared.
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I highly doubt that the Headquarters of NAVSEA(logistics and technology) and NAVFAC(budgets)would have many if any military personnel that would have automatic weapons. Civilian contractors outnumber military folks there. Also Unlikely as federal facilities, except for guards, are gun free zones just like Ft Hood. People think just because its a Military installation there is folks armed and loaded everywhere. Nothing could be further from the truth. Weapons both issued and personal (beyond gate guards/MPs) are highly controlled and have to be checked out from the armory and have to be checked back in at the end of use(IE Range time, qualifying, FTX etc)
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I'm only reporting it from my dad, it's his friend. He keeps yelling at the TV when they say there was only 1 guy involved.
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Maybe wrong (or silly) to pick a fight when you could have easily left it alone, and when avoiding a fight is purportedly your aim.
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Sure:
Putting aside being a smart arse: It seemed like a pretty innocent comment from Dean J. You had the choice on whether or not to throw in a snide component to your response, which you did. To me, that only encourages the type of thing you fear will arise from the situation.
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Please do, it does nothing for you.
Firstly, I'm not picking a fight, I'm correcting misinformation. As for avoiding a fight, that depends on whether you are stupid enough to blindly believe mass media, or not. Maybe if people educated themselves about guns, and how tiny their role in crime is, they wouldn't be so afraid of them.
