Shooting in Washington Naval Yard
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Let's start off right from the get go. How did Aaron Alexis even get into the base ? I'm feeling safe to say that he could / should have been identified since he had such a glamorous stint in the Navy.
False I.D ? Okay, maybe. He was armed. What, they do not check civies going in and out of Military establishments anymore ? "Meh, valid I.D. ... your cleared". There is too much speculation (media) and not enough concrete evidence working here. There are questions I think that need to be answered.
Thoughts and prayers to those innocent victims of today's tragic event.
False I.D ? Okay, maybe. He was armed. What, they do not check civies going in and out of Military establishments anymore ? "Meh, valid I.D. ... your cleared". There is too much speculation (media) and not enough concrete evidence working here. There are questions I think that need to be answered.
Thoughts and prayers to those innocent victims of today's tragic event.
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- GTP_Sam48
I have a feeling D.C. will turn into Boston 2.0 in regards to the door to door searches SWAT teams did (At least as long as there is a suspected second shooter on the run). I really hope this doesn't happen though, as such actions are a clear violation of the 4th Amendment.
It does seem a bit odd right now. Is it possible he shot is way in? I'm not super clear on the details, but I just thought I'd pose that.
It does seem a bit odd right now. Is it possible he shot is way in? I'm not super clear on the details, but I just thought I'd pose that.
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- HamiltonMP427
What PBS and CBS have said is that the guy worked on the Naval yard as a contractor, if that is current or maybe several months ago who knows. A Naval Captain interviewed on sight by CBS claimed that the Ship Yard wasn't highly secure and if he wanted he could bring a gun on, but it was some sort of mutual respect not to do so.
So yeah...
So yeah...
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- BloodDiamondPant
+1 Security isn't that thigh on most Military posts.
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I'm not, yet again but yeah that's just me.
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- Johnnypenso
He stole someone's ID, that's how he got in. All the details are not in yet so until they are, anything concerning security lapses is pure speculation.
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I guess we still don't know of the motive?
I'm reading that there were 13 dead, and I'm sure there were many people injured. I struggle to understand an action like this. How selfish & cowardly do you have to be to come to this kind of conclusion in one's head? "I'm going to arm myself, go shoot bunch of innocent, defenseless people." It's so tragic & it's so sick.
On the AR15 thing, while Z-Man's right about the risk of getting sidetracked, I didn't think MD was out of line, and thought it was relevant to the discussion. There is absolutely nothing wrong about not being familiar with firearms, but there is a serious misconception about AR15s, and as far as I'm concerned, MD didn't bring it up. The article posted & the comment that accompanied it did.
I'm reading that there were 13 dead, and I'm sure there were many people injured. I struggle to understand an action like this. How selfish & cowardly do you have to be to come to this kind of conclusion in one's head? "I'm going to arm myself, go shoot bunch of innocent, defenseless people." It's so tragic & it's so sick.
On the AR15 thing, while Z-Man's right about the risk of getting sidetracked, I didn't think MD was out of line, and thought it was relevant to the discussion. There is absolutely nothing wrong about not being familiar with firearms, but there is a serious misconception about AR15s, and as far as I'm concerned, MD didn't bring it up. The article posted & the comment that accompanied it did.
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- Johnnypenso
There's already talk of anger management issues, PTSD from 9/11 where he was apparently a rescuer, and possible paranoia and other mental disorders. Who knows where it will end up, but one thing is for certain, the lefties will use this as another jumping off point for gun control, and I wouldn't be surprised if somehow it was tied into the sequester and other hot button political issues.
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Johnnypenso
...and the ultra-right is more worried about how their toys are going to be taken away, rather than actually combatting the problem. Any thought that suddenly military employees are going to be stripped of their right to bear arms via policy is strictly the stuff of bad sci-fi and/or rapture. Most people probably didn't bring weapons with themselves that day because they analyzed their safety at work in the same ways as they would feel about going to church or to visit a hospital.
If he was genuinely a contractor employee, there definitely was a breakdown in the vetting process, if a troubled doofwad like this is permitted to serve. Still, even an ace employee with a sterling reputation can fly the coop and go berserk...but you've got to draw a line somewhere. This isn't the type of risk-reduction that softens and mollycoddles, it's still about having your best employees, and the military is not a place for those who might be a little unhinged.
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ExigeEvan
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I've been on several British military bases as a contractor, it's not difficult to get onto them as long as you have good reason/prior consent. The correct ID would give him exactly that.Sam48Something's just not right about that...
And even if it wasn't an active ID, he could still have tail gated through any personnel gates.
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The fault is with (besides Aaron Alexis) the Seattle and Tarrant County Texas District Attorneys offices for NOT charging him in either previous shooting incident.
IF they had done their damned jobs he would have been in the FBI database as a prohibited person and when he attempted to buy the shotgun in Virginia he would have failed the NIC's check.
I know damn well If I stepped out of my house in Albuquerque and shot tires out- not only would I have been arrested, but would have been indicted, tried, and sent to prison.
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Well, it is fun to see the media tripping over themselves to get the story, only to get it wrong again. You can clearly see some is error due to jumping on points to support some bias and others are just saying crap as it comes in and correcting themselves later, some with reporters conflicting each other.
We are starting to get actual information now but the media has successfully botched things up again.
We are starting to get actual information now but the media has successfully botched things up again.
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- Johnnypenso
It wasn't most people that didn't bring weapons to work, it was all people. The only people allowed to carry firearms on military bases are internal security. Armed Forces personnel along with private contractors and citizens do not carry firearms on military bases. Seems the "bad sci-fi and/or rapture" is actually the truth.
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First off, I live in Alb and I have to say what was said is far from correct, if a man had no prior gun charges or a felony on his record, not on probation or parole etc, very unlikely that shooting out a car tire would yield a felony or prison time. Much more likely to be charged with illegal discharge and vandalism or property damage, the second charge would be dropped in lue of restitution and a plea bargain of the first, a misdemeanor likely resulting in probation of something from 1-5 years tops.
As for your response to John... wut? lol what the hell are you trying to say? Sounds like the dribble you responded to Diamond with, makes zero sense tbh.
Constitutional rights are what formed our country and make it great, it's not a placard as we live in a republic plain and simple. It's the ones that don't want any real responsibilities that ruin it for the rest. As I said in the other thread, help the down and out guy and the threat goes away.
Of course there will always be a criminal element and also a mentally ill element that we cannot help and we need to address in a harsh manner, this guy does not fit that mold imo.
Oh well, keep on with the thinking one man has more rights then the next to live in this crooked society, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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- HamiltonMP427
So, from what the sources I used yesterday are saying is that there was a valid military ID used, not stolen as I've seen suggested here. There were mental issues as well. He used the remington 870 shotgun and not the AR-15 as suggested by Piers Morgan/CNN. The Glock was taken off the police officer he shot as said by NBC, PBS said that he bought the hand gun prior to this event but didn't say if it was the same gun he had on him.
Sources: CBS evening news, and NBC nightly news as well as PBS.
Sources: CBS evening news, and NBC nightly news as well as PBS.
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So...nobody frisked him or checked him before entering a military facility? And nobody allows the rank and file to carry guns into the workplace? And nobody charged this guy with two prior gun crimes? No wonder we have to not just question authority, we have to interrogate it.
There's no other words to describe how messed up that is. Smack my ass and call me Susan.
There's no other words to describe how messed up that is. Smack my ass and call me Susan.
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Have you ever actually been on a military instillation? Also not he had the shotgun in a bag. If you have military ID to be on the base and are there regularly they aren't going to check you like you think. They have to move people in and out in a timely fashion. Also there are questions (which I didn't show last post) on how well many of these areas are secured due to budget cuts that took place earlier in the year.
Sorry Susan. Also you may want to analyze those gun crimes and see if they would have been Felony level if he were charged in the first place. Because if they weren't felony level, he'd still be able to get a gun.
